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Zesty
06-08-2004, 03:22 PM
When you look at one of this team's biggest needs -- perimeter shooting -- and look at our draft selection in 2002 -- Fred Jones -- do you think DW maybe should have taken the pick a lot of people thought Indy was going to take in Kareem Rush? I really like Jones and don't have an opinion on one of them over the other, but I can't but wonder how Rush would have developed to this point for the Pacers and how our needs might look heading into this offseason. Discuss.

ChicagoJ
06-08-2004, 04:04 PM
Also fodder for discussion... Jiri Welsch was in the mix, too.

All of these guys, if I recall correctly, were considered one-dimensional. Although I liked the idea of Welsh or Rush as a shooter much better, the thing I still like about Fred is that he could be a combo guard. There's still time for us to draft or trade for a more traditional SG with a shot.

Shade
06-08-2004, 04:07 PM
Rush is successful in LA for the same reasons Fisher, Horry, and Slava have been -- they get wide open shots due to double teams on Shaq. We'll see how well Rush shoots if the Pistons continue to play Shaq straight-up.

Snickers
06-08-2004, 04:19 PM
It's not too terribly hard to find a shooter. It's quite a bit harder to find a guy who can drive, shoot [he's improved a ton here], play D, and play completely within the team.

Not to mention Freddie is just a cool name. Freddie. Heh. :D

ROCislandWarrior
06-08-2004, 04:22 PM
Rush is successful in LA for the same reasons Fisher, Horry, and Slava have been -- they get wide open shots due to double teams on Shaq. We'll see how well Rush shoots if the Pistons continue to play Shaq straight-up.

Yep, Yep, Yep.

Lets see how Rush does in this series...when he has to shoot over some D.

Ant
06-08-2004, 04:29 PM
I like Freddie, he showed us flashes of what he's capable of in the playoffs. If he can develop a consistent outside shot, then he could be a very good player. We know he can take it to the hole, raise up, and play some D, so if he gets a consistent outside shot to go with that he could be a valuable player for us down the road.

Suaveness
06-08-2004, 04:36 PM
Freddie is DAMN awesome, and the guy is going to be TEN BILLION times better than Rush.

Also, curiously, wasn't James Jones supposed to be an outside shooter as well?

Snickers
06-08-2004, 04:43 PM
Freddie is DAMN awesome, and the guy is going to be TEN BILLION times better than Rush.

Also, curiously, wasn't James Jones supposed to be an outside shooter as well?

*puts on my James Jones expert cap*

He's an excellent outside shooter. Think Reggie Miller with good form and a SF's body.

He's reasonably athletic, decent with the ball, a great shooter, a solid defender, and a very smart and coachable guy.

He'll probably be on the bench for another year or two though. Too many guys ahead of him, and I can't see Larry relying on him to be a major player.

Suaveness
06-08-2004, 04:47 PM
Freddie is DAMN awesome, and the guy is going to be TEN BILLION times better than Rush.

Also, curiously, wasn't James Jones supposed to be an outside shooter as well?

*puts on my James Jones expert cap*

He's an excellent outside shooter. Think Reggie Miller with good form and a SF's body.

He's reasonably athletic, decent with the ball, a great shooter, a solid defender, and a very smart and coachable guy.

He'll probably be on the bench for another year or two though. Too many guys ahead of him, and I can't see Larry relying on him to be a major player.

Ahh, but Freddie was on the bench only for his rookie season too. And I bet JJ could play a little SG depending on if we get anyone. Or he could play backup SF, since Al won't be here anymore. Bender plays the 4 at the same time, while Freddie plays 2. I say it could be done.

Snickers
06-08-2004, 04:53 PM
Good point. I could see James getting some minutes at the 2 if we don't add anyone there, and a little at SF if Al's gone.

I seem to remember reading that Larry really likes him, for what that's worth. :neutral:

wintermute
06-09-2004, 12:48 AM
i'd much rather have freddie. rush is a specialist, a one dimensional player. plus, he's a poor defender. now if he had reggie-like shooting, he might be worth a shot, but at this point i see him as a young hoiberg.

Cactus Jax
06-09-2004, 12:53 AM
James Jones was VERY consistent, in the summer league games I watched last year. He reminded me of a raw Scottie Pippen, with a better shot, but not quite as good defensive tools. There was one block he made in one of the games that the shot wasn't up for more than a couple tenths of a second and he swatted it to half court. :o It was an incredible play, and his arms are very long as well if I remember.

kerosene
06-09-2004, 01:13 AM
Agreed, I don't think James Jones can be discounted. We have to realize that any rookie aside from a LeBron, Wade, etc. on the Pacers would've ridden the pine this season. If given the chance, I think he could be a contributor at some point (maybe not next year, I'm sort of assuming some kind of move will be made or else he'll stay essentially 4th on depth chart behind Reggie, Freddie and Ron at SG).

clownskull
06-09-2004, 01:32 AM
well, i wouldn't be a bit surprised to see both joneses playing alot of summer league this year. they both need it i believe. yeh freddie showed us some things but, summer ball can help him get more experience which he still needs. and if i were rick or larry, i'd tell bender "you WILL be playing summer league ball this year! " i cannot understand why thomas never made bender do it since he still has so much to learn. of course the stakes are not as high nor is the competition but, at least the challenge of going against other players who desperately want in the league or are trying to stay in will likely lead to some improvement. maybe we should make croshere do it too just to get more work out of him since we are paying him so much.

ultimately though, i think fred will prove to be the better pick. i think he pretty much has already.

Ultimate Frisbee
06-09-2004, 02:12 AM
In retrospect, I would have taken Boozer... lol

Unclebuck
06-09-2004, 09:22 AM
I am thrilled with Freddie Jones, and no way would I trade Freddie for Rush


But I think if Bird were in charge, he would have taken Rush.

I have watched rush closely the past two games he is a good defender

SkipperZ
06-10-2004, 01:50 PM
i dont know i think kareem rush would have helped the team a lot . Not only is he capable of hitting the outside shot, he can get it off as quick as Michael Redd / Ray Allen can.

Maybe not as good a defender as Jones, but he is no slouch.

That being said I liked the pick, and am really starting to like Fred Jones.

Jiri I am not sold on, but Boozer would have been nice... of course every team except for houston and pheonix wishes they drafted boozer... what a weak draft. boozer is easily the 3rd best player from it so far and he was drafted35th

Suaveness
06-10-2004, 10:00 PM
I also like the Jones boys (men).
And Freddie IS damn awesome. :pepper:

Yes!


Hey, the Davis boys are gone, but now we have the Jones boys!

stew
06-11-2004, 01:38 AM
In retrospect, I would have taken Boozer... lol

just like to squeeze this in: how about prince...?? if I am not mistaken he is also in the same draft...

Eindar
06-11-2004, 01:48 AM
I wanted either Rush or Welsch, but I'm not unhappy we drafted Jones. I certainly am not upset about not having to listen to interviews with Smirky, Jr.