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Doddage
04-08-2008, 09:20 PM
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td> http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nba/teams/20080123/80x60/atl.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/atl) (36-42)
</td> <td width="370"> <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="ysptblbdr2"> <table class="ysptblclbg3" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="ysptblbdr2"><td colspan="15" height="1"></td></tr> <tr align="center" bgcolor="#dedec6"> <td rowspan="5" class="ysptblbdr2" width="1"></td> <td height="18" width="10"></td> <td></td> <td rowspan="5" class="yspwhitebg" width="1"></td> <td class="yspscores" width="25">1</td> <td rowspan="5" class="yspwhitebg" width="1"></td> <td class="yspscores" width="25">2</td> <td rowspan="5" class="yspwhitebg" width="1"></td> <td class="yspscores" width="25">3</td> <td rowspan="5" class="yspwhitebg" width="1"></td> <td class="yspscores" width="25">4</td> <td rowspan="5" class="yspwhitebg" width="1"></td> <td class="yspscores total" align="right" width="35">Total</td> <td class="yspscores" width="65"></td> <td rowspan="5" class="ysptblbdr2" width="1"></td> </tr> <tr class="yspwhitebg"><td colspan="13" height="1"></td></tr> <tr class="ysptblclbg5" align="center"> <td height="23" width="10"></td> <td class="yspscores team" align="left"> Atlanta (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/atl) </td> <td class="yspscores">27</td> <td class="yspscores">25</td> <td class="yspscores">20</td> <td class="yspscores">26</td> <td class="ysptblclbg6 total" align="right"> 98 </td> <td class="ysptblclbg6 total" align="right">Final </td> </tr> <tr class="yspwhitebg"> <td colspan="2"></td> <td colspan="8" height="1"></td> <td colspan="2" class="ysptblclbg6"></td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblclbg5" align="center"> <td height="23" width="10">http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/gr/or_arrow.gif</td> <td class="yspscores team" align="left"> Indiana (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind) </td> <td class="yspscores">38</td> <td class="yspscores">29</td> <td class="yspscores">26</td> <td class="yspscores">19</td> <td class="ysptblclbg6 total" align="right"> 112 </td> <td class="ysptblclbg6 total" align="right"></td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblbdr2"> <td colspan="15" height="1"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td> http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nba/teams/20080123/80x60/ind.gif (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind) (34-44)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" height="7"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="7"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="yspsctbg"> <td colspan="8" class="ysptblhdr" height="18"> Atlanta </td> <td colspan="8" class="ysptblhdr" align="right" height="18"> </td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1 yspboxscore-columnheader-row" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl player" align="left" height="18" width="17%"> Starters </td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="4%"></td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Min</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">FG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">3Pt</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">FT</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">+/-</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Reb</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BS</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BA</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Pts </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3520) </td> <td class="player"> G </td> <td>44:12</td> <td>13-24</td> <td>2-6</td> <td>2-3</td> <td> -13 </td> <td>0</td> <td>6</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>30 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> M. Bibby (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3245) </td> <td class="player"> G </td> <td>26:45</td> <td>0-8</td> <td>0-3</td> <td>2-2</td> <td> -25 </td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>2 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> A. Horford (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4245) </td> <td class="player"> C </td> <td>19:28</td> <td>2-7</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> -12 </td> <td>3</td> <td>5</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>5</td> <td>4 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3834) </td> <td class="player"> F </td> <td>38:35</td> <td>7-18</td> <td>0-2</td> <td>11-12</td> <td> -1 </td> <td>5</td> <td>13</td> <td>3</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>2</td> <td>25 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> M. Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3928) </td> <td class="player"> F </td> <td>33:04</td> <td>5-14</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>1-1</td> <td> -17 </td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>11 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1 yspboxscore-columnheader-row" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl player" align="left" height="18" width="17%"> Bench </td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="4%"></td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Min</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">FG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">3Pt</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">FT</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">+/-</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Reb</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BS</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BA</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Pts </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. Childress (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3823) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>38:42</td> <td>6-14</td> <td>0-3</td> <td>4-4</td> <td> -9 </td> <td>8</td> <td>12</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>16 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> Z. Pachulia (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3745) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>23:13</td> <td>0-4</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>4-6</td> <td> -9 </td> <td>2</td> <td>5</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>4</td> <td>4 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> S. Stoudamire (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3957) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>13:37</td> <td>2-4</td> <td>2-3</td> <td>0-1</td> <td> +18 </td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>6 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> S. Jones (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4161) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>2:24</td> <td>0-1</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> -2 </td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> A. Law (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4289) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td class="dnp" colspan="14" align="center">DNP - Coach's Decision</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. Richardson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4241) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td class="dnp" colspan="14" align="center">DNP - Coach's Decision</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> M. West (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4362) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td class="dnp" colspan="14" align="center">DNP - Coach's Decision</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblbdr3"> <td colspan="16" height="1"></td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblclbg5" align="right"> <td class="sum" align="left" height="18"> Totals</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>35-94</td> <td>4-17</td> <td>24-29</td> <td></td> <td>20</td> <td>51</td> <td>14</td> <td>11</td> <td>9</td> <td>3</td> <td>9</td> <td>19</td> <td>98 </td> </tr> <tr align="right"> <td class="sum" align="left" height="18"> Percentages:</td> <td colspan="2"></td> <td>.372</td> <td>.235</td> <td>.828</td> <td></td> <td colspan="9" class="team-rebounds" align="left">Team Rebounds: 6 </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="7"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="yspsctbg"> <td colspan="8" class="ysptblhdr" height="18"> Indiana </td> <td colspan="8" class="ysptblhdr" align="right" height="18"> </td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1 yspboxscore-columnheader-row" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl player" align="left" height="18" width="17%"> Starters </td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="4%"></td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Min</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">FG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">3Pt</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">FT</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">+/-</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Reb</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BS</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BA</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Pts </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> D. Granger (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3943) </td> <td class="player"> G </td> <td>36:38</td> <td>5-11</td> <td>2-3</td> <td>4-4</td> <td> +9 </td> <td>1</td> <td>8</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>16 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> R. Murray (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3639) </td> <td class="player"> G </td> <td>30:07</td> <td>7-11</td> <td>1-1</td> <td>5-8</td> <td> +28 </td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>10</td> <td>3</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>20 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. Foster (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3344) </td> <td class="player"> C </td> <td>21:40</td> <td>4-4</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>2-2</td> <td> +3 </td> <td>2</td> <td>6</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>3</td> <td>10 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> M. Dunleavy (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3601) </td> <td class="player"> F </td> <td>40:30</td> <td>8-16</td> <td>4-6</td> <td>8-9</td> <td> +19 </td> <td>1</td> <td>6</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>28 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> T. Murphy (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3524) </td> <td class="player"> F </td> <td>19:39</td> <td>3-6</td> <td>0-2</td> <td>1-1</td> <td> +16 </td> <td>0</td> <td>9</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>7 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblthbody1 yspboxscore-columnheader-row" align="right"> <td class="yspdetailttl player" align="left" height="18" width="17%"> Bench </td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="4%"></td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Min</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">FG</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">3Pt</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">FT</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="6%">+/-</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Off</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Reb</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Ast</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">TO</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">Stl</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BS</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">BA</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="5%">PF</td> <td class="yspdetailttl" width="7%">Pts </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> M. Daniels (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3764) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>35:47</td> <td>7-13</td> <td>1-4</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> +28 </td> <td>1</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>3</td> <td>15 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> J. O'Neal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>19:01</td> <td>4-10</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>2-2</td> <td> +1 </td> <td>1</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>10 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> T. Diener (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3964) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>17:53</td> <td>1-5</td> <td>0-4</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> -14 </td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>2 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> S. Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4145) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>13:17</td> <td>2-4</td> <td>0-1</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> -6 </td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>4 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> K. Rush (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3618) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td>5:28</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>0-0</td> <td>0-0</td> <td> -14 </td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0 </td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> I. Diogu (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3935) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td class="dnp" colspan="14" align="center">DNP - Coach's Decision</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2" align="right"> <td class="player" align="left"> D. Harrison (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3846) </td> <td class="player"> </td> <td class="dnp" colspan="14" align="center">DNP - Coach's Decision</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblbdr3"> <td colspan="16" height="1"></td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblclbg5" align="right"> <td class="sum" align="left" height="18"> Totals</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>41-80</td> <td>8-21</td> <td>22-26</td> <td></td> <td>8</td> <td>44</td> <td>20</td> <td>13</td> <td>5</td> <td>9</td> <td>3</td> <td>22</td> <td>112 </td> </tr> <tr align="right"> <td class="sum" align="left" height="18"> Percentages:</td> <td colspan="2"></td> <td>.512</td> <td>.381</td> <td>.846</td> <td></td> <td colspan="9" class="team-rebounds" align="left">Team Rebounds: 6 </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="7"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="yspsctbg"> <td class="ysptblhdr" colspan="2" height="18"> Game Info</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="yspnotice" valign="top" width="50%"> Technical Fouls: Atlanta - J. Smith 1. Indiana - J. Foster 1
</td> <td class="yspnotice" valign="top" width="50%"> Arena: Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN</td></tr></tbody></table>

Oneal07
04-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Hell Yeah!!! ATL Keep Losing, KEEP LOSING LOL

CableKC
04-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Wow......huge game to win.....why can't we play like this ALL THE TIME?

I am stunned that we actually played decently in the 3rd QTR while holding them to 20 points.

LoneGranger33
04-08-2008, 09:22 PM
Ah, ah, ah, ah STAYIN' ALIVE!

Shade
04-08-2008, 09:23 PM
In other bizarre news, the Knicks are taking Detroit to the woodshed in the Palace. :wtf:

There are always some rather bizarre scores right at the end of the season

OakMoses
04-08-2008, 09:23 PM
Great win. I wish I could have seen the game. I wish somebody would have scored 3 more points. I lost my over/under bet on 212.5. Stupid 2nd half, I thought it was a shoe in with 119 scored in the 1st half.

maragin
04-08-2008, 09:23 PM
Well, I guess the team showed up. I don't like the look of Atlanta's schedule, but I'm intrigued by the prospect of being in the playoffs, even under these circumstances. Go Pacers.

JayRedd
04-08-2008, 09:24 PM
Do Work.

OakMoses
04-08-2008, 09:24 PM
What was going on when Diener was on the floor? If I remember correctly, this is the first game in a long time where Flip has had a better +/- number.

Doddage
04-08-2008, 09:25 PM
Let's give some props here for the defensive effort of the team. Quis especially was remarkable on Joe Johnson.

Offensively, Flip and Dun were the players of the game, no doubt about it.

duke dynamite
04-08-2008, 09:26 PM
WOOOOOOO!!!!

Kaufman
04-08-2008, 09:28 PM
The knicks are going to play hard the whole way till the end - new boss, new front office - EVERYONE there wants to play hard to keep their jobs. Bottom line. They'll play ATL hard, and they will play us HARDER to capture Donnie Walsh's attention.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:29 PM
are the knicks playing for jobs? they are handing it to the pistons! why not do us a favor and hand it to the hawks at home on fri? that would be nice!

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:30 PM
players of the game are flip and queeeeeeesy!

Kaufman
04-08-2008, 09:30 PM
Gentleman, JayRedd,

I think we really need to sit down and look now at the possibilities of us making it to the dance. We really need to examine this thing to make sure we all don't get super disappointed at the end with the last game.

So I think that it is plausible, if ATL plays like they did against us, that they might lose two games. The Knicks will be a formidable opponent, and I think they play orlando as well.

I believe that they are going to lose two games.

So the question comes back to us. Can we win OUT?

I'm scared.

But I want it to happen.

AK

duke dynamite
04-08-2008, 09:31 PM
The knicks are going to play hard the whole way till the end - new boss, new front office - EVERYONE there wants to play hard to keep their jobs. Bottom line. They'll play ATL hard, and they will play us HARDER to capture Donnie Walsh's attention.
I agree with you that they will try, but I don't think that it's done as easy as it's said.

Kaufman
04-08-2008, 09:31 PM
are the knicks playing for jobs? they are handing it to the pistons! why not do us a favor and hand it to the hawks at home on fri? that would be nice!

You don't think they are?

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:32 PM
chicago is bad...but they are losing by 11 to THE HEAT! THE HEAT! lol...wow....
maybe this gives the heat some confidence to go out and beat atlanta...eh!? lol

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:34 PM
I agree with you that they will try, but I don't think that it's done as easy as it's said.
so! we have the new knick killer MIKE DUNLEAVY! doesn't he have about 36 each time he plays the knicks? I like our chances still! and the knicks played the hawks tough in phillips last game. They even lead in the third down the stretch! A win by us friday and an upset new york win REALLY puts the heat on atlanta!

D-BONE
04-08-2008, 09:34 PM
Gentleman, JayRedd,

I think we really need to sit down and look now at the possibilities of us making it to the dance. We really need to examine this thing to make sure we all don't get super disappointed at the end with the last game.

So I think that it is plausible, if ATL plays like they did against us, that they might lose two games. The Knicks will be a formidable opponent, and I think they play orlando as well.

I believe that they are going to lose two games.

So the question comes back to us. Can we win OUT?

I'm scared.

But I want it to happen.

AK

The way Philly's playing Friday looks like a serious hurdle. I'll take the playoffs if I can get em though. Just win, baby!

duke dynamite
04-08-2008, 09:34 PM
chicago is bad...but they are losing by 11 to THE HEAT! THE HEAT! lol...wow....
maybe this gives the heat some confidence to go out and beat atlanta...eh!? lol
One would only hope. The Hawks had some terrible droughts tonight. I'm not sure it's just them getting wore out late in the season or they just didn't come to play.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:39 PM
wore out? didn't they last play on saturday? with 4 to go we need them to lose 2! they win 3 they are in...if they win 3 of their next 4 they deserve to get in. If we win out we deserve to get in.

Rajah Brown
04-08-2008, 09:45 PM
It was pretty obvious tonight watching the game which team
was in 'must win' mode.

duke dynamite
04-08-2008, 09:45 PM
wore out? didn't they last play on saturday? with 4 to go we need them to lose 2! they win 3 they are in...if they win 3 of their next 4 they deserve to get in. If we win out we deserve to get in.
Hey you never know!:p

They way the Hawks have been playing it's hard to tell what went wrong for them tonight.

Anthem
04-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Wow. I'll admit, I didn't think we had it in us. Time to re-work the Magic Number threads... this changes a lot.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:51 PM
we just need 4 more performances like this for the pacers and 2 more performances like this for the hawks!
:-D!

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 09:55 PM
a lot of people talking about the hawks vs celtics...about what if they upset and if they did it would be because of joe johnson blah blah...did they clinch the playoffs already? lol

Dece
04-08-2008, 10:15 PM
I can't believe how many of you guys want to get butchered in 4 meaningless games against Boston.

kidthecat
04-08-2008, 10:20 PM
I can't believe how many of you guys want to get butchered in 4 meaningless games against Boston.

I can't believe you think so highly of one or two draft spots higher.

d_c
04-08-2008, 10:22 PM
I can't believe you think so highly of one or two draft spots higher.

I know one poster on this site who would probably committ suicide if that happens.

Ownagedood
04-08-2008, 10:23 PM
We should totally go over on their forum and write funny crap about them. ;) get them back for pickin on us earlier.

CableKC
04-08-2008, 10:24 PM
The knicks are going to play hard the whole way till the end - new boss, new front office - EVERYONE there wants to play hard to keep their jobs. Bottom line. They'll play ATL hard, and they will play us HARDER to capture Donnie Walsh's attention.
I'm hoping that Walsh tells Zeke to rest JCraw and Zach on the last day as a parting gift for the Pacers :)

Kaufman
04-08-2008, 10:24 PM
They know we found their funny page bc someone on the ATL site posted a link back to ours.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-08-2008, 10:28 PM
it will be even more funny if they suck the final four games and end up missing the playoffs.

Shade
04-08-2008, 10:31 PM
I can't believe you think so highly of one or two draft spots higher.

More like 4-5 spots higher.

d_c
04-08-2008, 10:35 PM
More like 4-5 spots higher.

If the Pacers miss the playoffs, they will most likely still finish ahead of New Jersey.

That means Portland and one of GS/Denver will be the only lotto teams that will be sure to have a better record. Not sure about Sacramento yet.

That means either the #11 or #12 pick instead of the #15 pick. So it's really a difference of 3 or 4 spots.

Basically, you'd be trading DOWN in the draft in exchange for getting guys like Murphy/Dunleavy some playoff experience.

Infinite MAN_force
04-08-2008, 10:48 PM
Flip Murray was great tonight. He actually looked like a point gaurd. a good point gaurd. Those 10 assists were no flukes, he was making some great passes.

Shows what good PG play can do for you.

Major Cold
04-08-2008, 11:09 PM
Do Work.

All work and no playoffs, make Pacers dull boys.

idioteque
04-08-2008, 11:27 PM
I don't think we will beat Philadelphia, that will be a tough game.

The thing that scares me the most about the playoffs other than getting clunked by Boston and losing a chance at Westbrook is the embarassing crowds we would probably draw for playoff games against what will probably turn out to be one of the best teams of the decade.

Eindar
04-08-2008, 11:31 PM
If the Pacers miss the playoffs, they will most likely still finish ahead of New Jersey.

That means Portland and one of GS/Denver will be the only lotto teams that will be sure to have a better record. Not sure about Sacramento yet.

That means either the #11 or #12 pick instead of the #15 pick. So it's really a difference of 3 or 4 spots.

Basically, you'd be trading DOWN in the draft in exchange for getting guys like Murphy/Dunleavy some playoff experience.

That's my dilemma as a fan. I'm not sure I want to go down 3 or 4 spots in the playoffs for the right to get swept. Granger already has some playoff experience, so he learns nothing from that experience. The only people who gain anything valuable are Shawne Williams, Dunleavy, and Diener. The other guys either don't matter to our long term plans or already know what the first round is about.

One thing I do know, I'd rather have missed an opportunity to draft a great player because we blew it than have drafted 3 spots behind the steal of the draft so that we could get Troy Murphy a chance to get dunked on in the playoffs.

idioteque
04-08-2008, 11:34 PM
FWIW, Westbrook has moved up in a lot of mocks since the tournament and it is possible that he will fall out of our range. If that is the case (and I don't know if it is) I guess we might as well make the frickin playoffs.

Anthem
04-08-2008, 11:45 PM
If we don't make the playoffs, we'll get the #12 seed. #11 is out of our grasp... no way Jersey finishes with a better record than us.

Roaming Gnome
04-08-2008, 11:53 PM
In other bizarre news, the Knicks are taking Detroit to the woodshed in the Palace. :wtf:

If I remember correctly, I believe this is the game where they were announcing the Pistons "All-Time" or 50 year team. Gotta love when you lose on "home comming", so to speak.

Infinite MAN_force
04-09-2008, 12:01 AM
If we don't make the playoffs, we'll get the #12 seed. #11 is out of our grasp... no way Jersey finishes with a better record than us.

We are currently ahead of jersey and picking 11... whether we pick 11 or 12 depends on Sacramento. If Jersey somehow overtook us we would pick 10th.

Doddage
04-09-2008, 12:55 AM
Man... Kareem Rush is getting disrespected lately. He's a good defender if he's on his game and is a nice offensive punch off the bench with his outside shooting. I doubt he'll re-sign with us in the offseason.

NuffSaid
04-09-2008, 02:03 AM
I can't believe how many of you guys want to get butchered in 4 meaningless games against Boston.
After today's big win against the Hawks, Dunleavy had this to say about that:

"I don't understand why anybody would want us to go to the lottery," Dunleavy said. "To play in the playoffs is an honor -- you're one of 16 teams that has a chance to win it all. That's the goal of this organization, that's the goal of this team, and we're going to keep playing until we're out of it."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

...'Nuff Said

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 02:08 AM
Why not push for the playoffs? At this point we are just a couple of spots in the draft regardless. We dont have that well of a chance to hit a high pick anyway...
PLAYOFF BOUND!

rexnom
04-09-2008, 02:22 AM
Well, we're going to push, that's clear. I just don't know if it's enough at this point.

Midcoasted
04-09-2008, 05:31 AM
Pretty much what I've been saying. If some of u look at my previous posts then see what ensues its almost like Im the Pacers psychic. LOL j/k.

But I did say very soon we will see the return of the Knicks/Pacers rivalry, maybe next year.Larry and Donnie together were uncapable, apart, they will return to Glory. I mean eventually we're both going to be good again.

JO, I really think him off the bench is huge for us. He is not a 20million dollar player. As effective he could be if he was only 10 million off the bench is huge. I like the 25-30 minute a game JO as opposed to the 40 minute a game. He just seems much more effective if his playing time is limited. And I think in 25-30 minutes a game he would tehoretically save his body 10-20minutes a game. Thats huge over an 82 game season. I still think he will be an All Star if he learns to cut down his minutes.

If things are going like this the only one who needs to go is Tinsley and we need a great draft.

Anyone else notice flip had 20 points and 12 assists in a game that did actually matter. Thats like what 44 points that went through him? Why is not anyone else noticing the potential in this guy as our fix at PG allowing us to look for Bigs with the draft/trades. Im very comfortable with Flip and Diener, Quis, Dunleavy and Rush, Williams and Granger are developing into All Stars, JO could be HUGE if he could learn to play a split rotation. Foster should not go anywhere. I like Murphy to spread the floor in certain situations, but we still need 2 dominant bigs. Could Ike and David somehow magically pan out and we already have the team I dream of? Yes, they could, but I do not expect them to, but I hope they do.

The difference between top and bottom is a player or two, thats what people fail to realize. If Boston lost Garnett and Allen or Pierce, they would not be a contender at all. Put those two players on the pacers and we are instantly a contender. Its all hypothetical but noone knows the future on anything.

So Atlanta nor Indiana should be overlooked. All of these players are paid millions just like any other team. I'd expect them to be taken seriously. But I hope Atlanta goes on a skid.

ANd if we do make the playoffs. I will not expect a sweep with the way we are playing right now. We will win at least 2 games, and we could potentially steal a 3rd and force a game seven. And miracles do happen, look at the Giants and Kansas. Two of the the biggest championship wins ever in one year. One was an extreme underdog like never seen before and the other was down 9 with 2 minutes left and Memphis clearly had the game won if they made 1 more free throw.

Its a great year to be a sports fan and everyone is underestimating the East WAY too much.Giants were NFC, a 6th seed. I expect an East team to win this year, and it may not be Boston or Detroit. Just my opinion though.

But I think it that game, you some future NBA talent I wouldn't mind having. Is it me or is Rose going to be a superstar Pg in the NBA someday?

rexnom
04-09-2008, 05:57 AM
Over the past 12 games while the playoff race has been heating up:
Pacers: 9-3
Dunleavy: 22.4 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 3.9 APG, 47.3 FG%, 3.0 3PG at 50.7%

All numbers that are shockingly not that far above his season numbers. I know he's on a bad team and Granger is the only other consistent scoring option but at what point do we say, wait a minute, this guy is actually really good. Not to go there again but Jack put up worse numbers in greater minutes (better defensively of course) at the beginning of the year and he got MVP/all-star talk. The Pacers are putting on a similar run at the end of the year (as opposed to the Dubs at the beginning of the year). Forget comparisons...can Mike just get some credit here?

His numbers are fairly comparable to Detlef Schrempf's numbers at a similar age (his first couple of years here). I wonder if Dunleavy will be as good. Regardless, you have to foresee a gutsy Dunleavy trade in our future to bring us a player we actually need. Or can we work it out with Mike here. Can we use him in a Detlef-role off the bench? I'm definitely revisiting this in the off-season but yeah, Mike has my vote for team MVP.

Also, let's wait for Flip to have at least two games in a row before proclaiming him savior/better than Uncle Buck. Let's not forget, last game he shot 4-15 and put in a stellar 8pt, 3ast performance. I would still take any starting PG in the league (and quite a few backups and PD posters) over Flip. But yeah, overall, great job tonight - he definitely outplayed Bibby.

Speed
04-09-2008, 07:56 AM
More like 4-5 spots higher.

I would rather them have the 11 pick than the 15 pick, however, I can't root against them for two reasons.

I can't root against them after 35 years of rooting for them and secondly, they are busting there butt to make it and you really can see it on the court, its hard not to root for this group of guys and how hard they are playing.

They are the underdog and they are a likeable group.

I kept trying to dismiss them and root for a higher pick and now that they actually have a small chance, I'm all for it.

If they make the playoffs I'll go and cheer.

It's kinda like Gary Brackett said - after all I've been through, why would I give up now.

Speed
04-09-2008, 08:05 AM
Well after a hopeful post, I just looked at the Boston Box score from last night. They beat the Bucks, but the big three only played about 20 minutes each. Thats not good since that is one of the losses that Atlanta would have to suffer to open the door for the Pacers.

We'll see they may play those guys more against ATL since it could be a first round match up and they would want to send a message.

Unclebuck
04-09-2008, 08:23 AM
I apologize as I have not read any of this thread, sorry if I am repeating stuff.

While I didn't expect a sellout, or even close to a sell out, I would have hoped for somehting a little larger than one of the smallest crowds of the year and from the way it looked on TV, the lower level was as empty as I have seen all season - and that is really saying something.


As for the game, the pacers played really, really well. Their defense was even pretty good, I notice the players really trying to play the system - of course it helps a ton having JO for 20 minutes. mainly because it keeps both Harrison and Ike on the bench and JO and Jeff make an excellent defensive tandem.

Also impressed with Daniels defense - this was I think his best game of the season.

But the star of the game for the Pacers was Ronald Murray. he played like a real NBA point guard -he destroyed Mike Bibby and conformed to me why I never wanted Mike Bibby on the pacers. (Horrible defense and his offense and playmaking ability is overrated - he can hit clutch shots though) But Murray ran the team like a point guard, he played defense - he was the biggest difference in the game.

More than anything it was great to see the guys really wanting to win and really going after it. But I really can't complain abou the effort all season - sure it can always be better, and it needs to be better concentrated, but the guys do really want to make the playoffs

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 08:44 AM
Yeah, I just don't understand why they aren't coming. There is no such thing as a lack of effort on these guys. Last night I was kicking myself in the butt for not asking off work!

Unclebuck
04-09-2008, 08:57 AM
You know what is really sad, these guys, the guys that have been playing since January , are trying to play the right way. they are trying to be a good team - but they are just at a talent deficit every night. But the really, really sad thing is no one in the city of Indianapolis has noticed what the guys have been doing and finishing the season 9-3 (even with an easy schedule) is good to see.

BPump33
04-09-2008, 08:59 AM
After the comeback win against the Bucks and how intense that 4th quarter was I really did expect more people to be there last night. I know it was college night last night, but I didn't really see that many college kids. Maybe Spring Break had something to do with it, who knows??? The fans that were there last night did a pretty good job, but it still was pretty embarrassing.

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 09:10 AM
You know what is really sad, these guys, the guys that have been playing since January , are trying to play the right way. they are trying to be a good team - but they are just at a talent deficit every night. But the really, really sad thing is no one in the city of Indianapolis has noticed what the guys have been doing and finishing the season 9-3 (even with an easy schedule) is good to see.
Any win is a good win, obviously, but other than bringing in a superstar veteran, I don't know how well our attendance will be next season. I'm still worried.

BillS
04-09-2008, 11:40 AM
You know what is really sad, these guys, the guys that have been playing since January , are trying to play the right way. they are trying to be a good team - but they are just at a talent deficit every night. But the really, really sad thing is no one in the city of Indianapolis has noticed what the guys have been doing and finishing the season 9-3 (even with an easy schedule) is good to see.

And this is why making the playoffs is important to me.

I think the city needs to start seeing these guys as effort players, and the best way to show that such effort makes a difference is to get to the playoffs.

I don't think anyone in the city is going to get excited about a #11 pick (which is the highest we'll get; I refuse to believe in the lottery except as a way to screw us out of a #1 pick when we actually are the worst team). While the excitement of playoffs might be short-lived, it will at least exist and will bring some optimism for next year that a mid-range pick simply doesn't bring.

I think the first half of this game was the best I've personally seen from this team all season. I'd like more people to see the same.

Speed
04-09-2008, 11:42 AM
The Pacers are always one first round playoff series win and an ultra competitive second round series loss from jump starting the bandwagon again, its that easy, but its also that hard.

rexnom
04-09-2008, 12:15 PM
Again, I'm not getting my hopes up for this. We're still TWO games back. That's A LOT to gain in four games, especially when you have such a hot team like Atlanta.

Kstat
04-09-2008, 12:56 PM
Again, I'm not getting my hopes up for this. We're still TWO games back. That's A LOT to gain in four games, especially when you have such a hot team like Atlanta.

Orlando and boston are going to be tough games for them.

ABADays
04-09-2008, 01:29 PM
Through numerous grumblings this season (I'm a fan), b*tching about the offensive philosophy (I'm a fan), concerns about the front office (I'm a fan) I never, ever believed these guys weren't giving it their all. I can support that - playoffs or not. It still troubles me how we are going to get out of our situation because it's a far more complicated puzzle than I can figure out. But - I'm a fan. I'll be around to see how it plays out.

Putnam
04-09-2008, 01:34 PM
This wanders a bit from the post game. But it is in response to Unclebuck's post and addresses what ABA is pondering.


You know what is really sad, these guys, the guys that have been playing since January , are trying to play the right way. they are trying to be a good team - but they are just at a talent deficit every night.

Yeah. I've been saying that to people for weeks now. These guys don't even deserve the criticism they get on this forum. They work the whole floor pretty hard most nights. I can't count the games when PD posters have said, "All they do is chuck 3s" and then I look at the shot diagram on nba.com and see the Pacers with a dense cluster of makes and misses in the paint.


But the really, really sad thing is no one in the city of Indianapolis has noticed what the guys have been doing...

I don't think we can expect that. People are tuned out, and when they aren't listening, they can't hear what happens.

You can tell the girl you're sorry. You can profess your undying love. You can promise her everything. You can offer to take her to Cancun. But if she is still mad at you and deleting your text messages and voice mails without reading or listening to them, it doesn't matter what you've said. That's the position the Pacers are in vis a vis the wider public.

Some posters -- well, heck, let's say it: Seth -- has insisted that the fans will come back as soon as the Pacers start winning. It isn't going to be that simple. Certainly not with this recent good run of 7-3 or a short playoff appearance, and maybe not even with a reasonably good season next year, unless PS&E work on the whole package.

The process has to be:

1. Make the Pacers likeable again
2. Play the right way
3. Get on a roll of winning
4. Then the fans will start filling up the fieldhouse

The Pacers we see on the floor lately are likeable guys, playing a respectable brand of basketball with a great deal of heart. But we've had 4 new police incidents this season and two players who wriggled out of charges in a way that the experts tell us meant they'd probably have been convicted. This is still the brawl team.

Bird has a busy off-season ahead of him, patching the holes in the roster. And PS&E also has an important off-season. They need to step up and actually make a good promotional campaign. "It's Up to Us" was meaningless, and last year's focus on Jim O'Brien didn't work.

You know what would be a good slogan? Norman Dale's line: "My team is on the floor." Show the clip from Hoosiers with Gene Hackman saying it, and then show one of the Pacers working out in the off season, taking his conditioning seriously. Then have a few fans saying the line over and over again, showing different pictures of the Pacers. Send the message: People around Indianapolis actually like the Pacers, and are proud to have them wearing our state's name across their chest. That is the fundamental message that must preceed all other marketing efforts to the casual fan.

Speed
04-09-2008, 01:39 PM
You know what would be a good slogan? Norman Dale's line: "My team is on the floor." Show the clip from Hoosiers with Gene Hackman saying it, and then show one of the Pacers working out in the off season, taking his conditioning seriously. Then have a few fans saying the line over and over again, showing different pictures of the Pacers. Send the message: People around Indianapolis actually like the Pacers, and are proud to have them earing out state's name across their chest. That is the fundamental message that must preceed all other marketing efforts to the casual fan.

You, my friend, need to submit this to the team, right now!! I got all choked up just reading it. Simply perfect!! Best thing I've seen since the whole "in 49 states" deal. Excellent work!!

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 02:59 PM
You know what would be a good slogan? Norman Dale's line: "My team is on the floor." Show the clip from Hoosiers with Gene Hackman saying it, and then show one of the Pacers working out in the off season, taking his conditioning seriously. Then have a few fans saying the line over and over again, showing different pictures of the Pacers. Send the message: People around Indianapolis actually like the Pacers, and are proud to have them wearing our state's name across their chest. That is the fundamental message that must preceed all other marketing efforts to the casual fan.

OMG, I get goosebumps every time I watch that part of the movie. Going into the season I kind of had a resemblance of Obie to Norman. I really thought he could get this team back in the buzz of Indianapolis.

You are right about those steps needed to take to win back fans. I couln't agree with you more. PS&E have tried their hearts out at some games to bring fans in. Buy one get one free on tickets, discounted packages, t-shirts, you name it. But putting a good brand of basketball is the catalyst of winning back fans.

To me, Jim O'Brien is Norman Dale. He is a fundamentals coach. He never sits down during the game. He is always watching closely to his team.

****I am going to find some action shots, well, shots of Jim being active and make either a desktop wallpaper or some signatures with that quote, "My Team is on the Floor" for you guys if you want it. Just quote this or PM me, I should have it done by this evening.

Dr. Goldfoot
04-09-2008, 03:27 PM
You know what would be a good slogan? Norman Dale's line: "My team is on the floor." Show the clip from Hoosiers with Gene Hackman saying it, and then show one of the Pacers working out in the off season, taking his conditioning seriously.

I'd get goosebumps too, but for completely different reasons. You do realize that was a fictionalized account of a true story, right?

Bobby Plump weeds out the truth and fiction (http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/hoosiers.php)

Did the real Marvin Wood ever have to actually only play four guys? Probably not, since 58 dudes tried out for the team.

BPump33
04-09-2008, 03:32 PM
You know what would be a good slogan? Norman Dale's line: "My team is on the floor." Show the clip from Hoosiers with Gene Hackman saying it, and then show one of the Pacers working out in the off season, taking his conditioning seriously. Then have a few fans saying the line over and over again, showing different pictures of the Pacers. Send the message: People around Indianapolis actually like the Pacers, and are proud to have them wearing our state's name across their chest. That is the fundamental message that must preceed all other marketing efforts to the casual fan.

I don't know if anyone used to read the comments following the Indy Star articles, but I have been saying this all season. I give you full credit for coming up with the "My team is on the floor" quote, I'm just saying that all along I try to tell people to actually watch the game and see the effort that our guys put out. All season the guys that we have had "on the floor" have been busting their asses trying to win back the fans, but when you lack the talent you can only go so far.

On a side note, when I returned from the game last night my apartment door wouldn't open b/c the lock was broken. I called maitenance and the first thing he said to me ( I was wearing my new Diener jersey) was, "Well your first problem is you were at the Pacers game." You don't know how much I wanted to punch this redneck in the face. I get so sick of hearing this crap from the "everyday fan" that it almost makes me not want to get the city's support back. If you are truly a Pacers fan and you can't respect the team that is "on the floor" then in my opinion you don't deserve to be calling yourself a fan.

ABADays
04-09-2008, 03:42 PM
You know USF I can't even imagine this city without the Pacers. They have been a part of me since before my adult life. I think there are a ton of fans - casual and hardcore - who would be visibly shaken if the Pacers were to leave. THAT in itself magnifies just how bad the "incidents" have been on the psyche of the city.

I absolutely loved the "49 States" promotion and I would love the "my team is on the floor" as much.

BPump33
04-09-2008, 03:49 PM
You know USF I can't even imagine this city without the Pacers. They have been a part of me since before my adult life. I think there are a ton of fans - casual and hardcore - who would be visibly shaken if the Pacers were to leave. THAT in itself magnifies just how bad the "incidents" have been on the psyche of the city.

I absolutely loved the "49 States" promotion and I would love the "my team is on the floor" as much.


When I said city's support I didn't mean at all that I wanted the team to leave. I just meant that when I'm at a game next year, or the year after, or whenever and everyone is there acting like they loved this team all along I will be a little p*ssed because I will have been there every game this year and all but a few last year cheering them on. I know that sounds stupid of me, that's how I'm going to feel. I will be proud of the guys/team/organization, but I have already lost a lot of respect for the "fans" of this city.

As far as the incidents, I completely agree that they have sucked and it's hard to get past them. However, if you look at our guys "on the floor" ( I know I'm running this into the ground) you see effort and teamwork and all the things people say they want out of this team. I just wish the people who have given up on this team b/c of the incidents would take the time to watch a game this year and then judge. That's all I'm saying. I know pretty much everyone on here watches the games so I'm preaching to the choir, but I feel like ranting a little.

When I go out in my Pacers apparel I actually feel like people look down on me and it should not be that way in this city. Just my opinion.

Putnam
04-09-2008, 03:53 PM
You don't know how much I wanted to punch this redneck in the face. I get so sick of hearing this crap from the "everyday fan" that it almost makes me not want to get the city's support back.

If you are truly a Pacers fan and you can't respect the team that is "on the floor" then in my opinion you don't deserve to be calling yourself a fan.


Sorry, but this is the wrong attitude. The objective is to lure this kind of guy back into the fieldhouse, not to criticize him and call him a names. That guy is just as entitled to his opinion as you are to yours. Is he wrong? Sure. But you still have to respect the fact that, based on what he knows, the Pacers are not a team he wants to support.

What he knows about the Pacers, he has learned from the front page of the paper -- not the sports page. He knows that the Pacers have been linked this season to four new criminal investigations, including murder and rape. That is what he knows, and he doesn't like it. He's allowed not to like it.

BPump33
04-09-2008, 03:57 PM
Sorry, but this is the wrong attitude. The objective is to lure this kind of guy back into the fieldhouse, not to criticize him and call him a names. That guy is just as entitled to his opinion as you are to yours. Is he wrong? Sure. But you still have to respect the fact that, based on what he knows, the Pacers are not a team he wants to support.

What he knows about the Pacers, he has learned from the front page of the paper -- not the sports page. He knows that the Pacers have been linked this season to four new criminal investigations, including murder and rape. That is what he knows, and he doesn't like it. He's allowed not to like it.


Well, when you are locked out of your apartment b/c the lock has mysteriously "busted" while you're gone and then they take an hour to come and let you in and the first thing they do is criticize you on the jersey you are wearing I don't have a hard time calling him names. That's what I'm saying.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd rather have a guy like this not rooting for the Pacers at all than just to badmouth them. I know most people don't feel this way and you can think I'm wrong if you want, but that's how I feel about it.

Putnam
04-09-2008, 04:03 PM
I just wish the people who have given up on this team b/c of the incidents would take the time to watch a game this year and then judge.


Can you explain this? I don't understand your point.

If they disapprove of the off-court behaviour, then the performance on the floor isn't the issue.

BillS
04-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Can you explain this? I don't understand your point.

If they disapprove of the off-court behaviour, then the performance on the floor isn't the issue.

But I think the "off-court behavior" thing is an excuse and a way to make jokes. The players who are out there leaving it on the floor for the most part are not the ones in trouble. Quis is playing the most minutes of that crew, Shawne has been playing some, Harrison isn't playing much and Tinsley is done.

If some of these folks would get to watch a game other than against the #1 team in the league, maybe they'd think differently.

To be honest, if the <i>media</i> would start reporting on the heart and desire of these guys (and doing it positively rather than essentially calling them idiots for doing so), maybe some of those folks would start to think differently. For those who felt like the local news organizations were too chummy with TPTB in the past, how is the current adversarial relationship helping anything?

I like the "my team is on the floor" image with squeaky-clean players for the focus. Although, if next season rolls around and it's still only those players as the focus, I'll be rather disgruntled.

Speed
04-09-2008, 04:17 PM
I'd get goosebumps too, but for completely different reasons. You do realize that was a fictionalized account of a true story, right?

Bobby Plump weeds out the truth and fiction (http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/hoosiers.php)

Did the real Marvin Wood ever have to actually only play four guys? Probably not, since 58 dudes tried out for the team.

Thanks for the link, very interesting, I almost went to the filming at Hinkle, many of my Friends did. I guy who was a year ahead of me at Ben Davis was on the opposing team, he got quite a bit of camera time being the opposing teams PG. I'm connected to the original deal in a bunch of ways through my family, it all big time interesting to me.

ABADays
04-09-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm connected to the original deal in a bunch of ways through my family, it all big time interesting to me.

Interesting. I am too. My stepfather played at Milan just before the State Championship.

BPump33
04-09-2008, 04:43 PM
Can you explain this? I don't understand your point.

If they disapprove of the off-court behaviour, then the performance on the floor isn't the issue.

I understand what you're saying and I think "Bills" said it well up above is that the guys on the floor aren't the people in trouble. The casual fan still thinks JT is running up and down the floor with a 9MM and that the rest of the guys are getting lap dances on the bench. This isn't the case with the guys we have playing. Well, I mean obviosuly this was never the case, but that seems to be what people think. They see a Pacers player in the headlines and assume the worst automatically. It wouldn't matter if the story was about a coat drive or the unfortunate rape/murder stories. I know that Shawne and Quis were involved in rape/murder stories and I don't condone that at all (obviously), but there were circumstances to both of those stories. There were also circumstances to Jamaal's incident this season, but no one carese about that they just want to make fun of the team b/c that seems to be the "in" thing to do. My point is that the casual fan doesn't have any idea what is going on b/c they don't watch the games anymore and I wish they would give our guys "on the floor" a chance.

I guess I'm on the side that also thinks that most fans would have stuck around through the incidents if this team was winning. I can't by any means prove this theory, but it is my opinion. We can agree to disagree if you'd like.

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 04:45 PM
On a side note, when I returned from the game last night my apartment door wouldn't open b/c the lock was broken. I called maitenance and the first thing he said to me ( I was wearing my new Diener jersey) was, "Well your first problem is you were at the Pacers game." You don't know how much I wanted to punch this redneck in the face. I get so sick of hearing this crap from the "everyday fan" that it almost makes me not want to get the city's support back. If you are truly a Pacers fan and you can't respect the team that is "on the floor" then in my opinion you don't deserve to be calling yourself a fan.
Absurd! I hate it when people do this. I wear a different Pacers' jersey or shirt a few times a week to work. I get so much crap about it. Of course, when I wear Colts stuff I get applauded.

I get so sick and tired of people getting onto me for supporting my team.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-09-2008, 05:02 PM
fans arent showing up to the games cause of ron artest and stephen jackson. And because of shawne williams and david harrison. And JO.. they can't stand those guys!

Will Galen
04-09-2008, 05:10 PM
To be honest, if the media would start reporting on the heart and desire of these guys (and doing it positively rather than essentially calling them idiots for doing so), maybe some of those folks would start to think differently. For those who felt like the local news organizations were too chummy with TPTB in the past, how is the current adversarial relationship helping anything?

I'm on record as saying it doesn't help, it hurts.

I've had several disagreements with Peck on this very point, but I've stated my case and don't feel like doing it again right now.

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 05:18 PM
To be honest, if the media would start reporting on the heart and desire of these guys (and doing it positively rather than essentially calling them idiots for doing so), maybe some of those folks would start to think differently. For those who felt like the local news organizations were too chummy with TPTB in the past, how is the current adversarial relationship helping anything?

I've noticed lately that WTHR and The Indianapolis Star have been making some positive news stories lately, well at least Channel 13. The Star has been putting headlines on the front page like last night's win.

ABADays
04-09-2008, 10:31 PM
Absurd! I hate it when people do this. I wear a different Pacers' jersey or shirt a few times a week to work. I get so much crap about it. Of course, when I wear Colts stuff I get applauded.

I get so sick and tired of people getting onto me for supporting my team.

Quit buying those marked down Artest, Jackson and Tinsley jerseys :p

duke dynamite
04-09-2008, 10:57 PM
Quit buying those marked down Artest, Jackson and Tinsley jerseys :p
Dun Dun, Granger, and Miller are the only ones I wear right now...lol:laugh:

Dr. Goldfoot
04-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Maybe the guy thought people who wear jersey's aren't very cool. "Lord knows I don't" (said a drunk Dr. Goldfoot).

It doesn't really matter what the guy who has to come let your locked out dumbass in thinks, does it?

The Pacers won. The more I think about it, it's just not enough and here we are again. Last team out of the playoffs.

Eindar
04-10-2008, 03:45 AM
At this point, the best thing that could happen is for the Colts to get some negative PR. I firmly believe that this city can't support more than one professional team, and just like the Colts were in danger of moving before they drafted Peyton Manning and Reggie was busy securing his place in Springfield, the tables are now turned, and I feel that as long as the Colts are playing at the level they have played at the last two seasons, the Pacers could get to the Eastern Conference championships and nobody would notice.

It's going to take either the Pacers adding someone with the personality/charisma of Peyton Manning, or the Colts having either an incident on the level of Club Rio or a couple terrible seasons.

I mean, I could be wrong, but I can't remember a season since I was born (1980) in which the city firmly supported both the Pacers and the Colts for an entire season.

esabyrn333
04-10-2008, 06:40 AM
The 03-04 year Pacers win 61 games and the colts where sold out the entire year. I believe it has more to do with winning. If we get a solid PG next year and Tinsley is moved along with maybe Quis by the end of next year with no more stupid PR moves the fans will be coming back.

BPump33
04-10-2008, 10:07 AM
Maybe the guy thought people who wear jersey's aren't very cool. "Lord knows I don't" (said a drunk Dr. Goldfoot).

It doesn't really matter what the guy who has to come let your locked out dumbass in thinks, does it?

The Pacers won. The more I think about it, it's just not enough and here we are again. Last team out of the playoffs.


No, it doesn't matter what he thinks although unfortunately his opinions seems to represent a lot of the city. As far as me being a dumbass for not getting into my door........I had the key, the lock was busted b/c someone apparently tried to break in. I do suppose that makes me a dumbass, though.......

Dr. Goldfoot
04-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Just to be clear, I didn't mean to call you a dumbass for being locked out. That was a friendly ribbing, terms of endearment.

Dr. Goldfoot
04-10-2008, 11:57 AM
I've arrived at the point where I can proudly say I'm a Pacer fan and have no need to convince others to do the same. Professional sports in general are set up to provide entertainment. Many people in our state don't find this team entertaining anymore and I can't really disagree with them. I continue to watch and cheer them on but really the only thing I'm cheering for is the uniform. There's not a single player on the active roster I care about. I have had connections (in my head anyways) with players draped in the Blue N' Gold. Just not these guys.

BPump33
04-10-2008, 12:14 PM
I've arrived at the point where I can proudly say I'm a Pacer fan and have no need to convince others to do the same. Professional sports in general are set up to provide entertainment. Many people in our state don't find this team entertaining anymore and I can't really disagree with them. I continue to watch and cheer them on but really the only thing I'm cheering for is the uniform. There's not a single player on the active roster I care about. I have had connections (in my head anyways) with players draped in the Blue N' Gold. Just not these guys.

Thanks for the ribbing, I just happened to have just gotten out of a meeting (an awful one at that) and I wasn't in the best of moods. My apologies if I sounded like a d*ck.

Anyway, I still have those connections with these guys. Actually, I have more of a connection with these guys than normal because as of late we have been given very good seats and I have been able to meet a lot of the guys. I always had a negative perspective on JT's personality, but when I met him he was as nice as can be. Every single one of they guys nearly go out of their way to talk to fans and sign autographs and I thought that was a big deal.

I know we are going to have to get rid of some of these guys to make ourselves better, but for MOST of them I will be a little sad to see them go. After all, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Luckily for us, some of our eggs have already gone bad so they will be easy to part with.

D-BONE
04-10-2008, 07:07 PM
I understand what you're saying and I think "Bills" said it well up above is that the guys on the floor aren't the people in trouble. The casual fan still thinks JT is running up and down the floor with a 9MM and that the rest of the guys are getting lap dances on the bench. This isn't the case with the guys we have playing. Well, I mean obviosuly this was never the case, but that seems to be what people think. They see a Pacers player in the headlines and assume the worst automatically. It wouldn't matter if the story was about a coat drive or the unfortunate rape/murder stories. I know that Shawne and Quis were involved in rape/murder stories and I don't condone that at all (obviously), but there were circumstances to both of those stories. There were also circumstances to Jamaal's incident this season, but no one carese about that they just want to make fun of the team b/c that seems to be the "in" thing to do. My point is that the casual fan doesn't have any idea what is going on b/c they don't watch the games anymore and I wish they would give our guys "on the floor" a chance.

I guess I'm on the side that also thinks that most fans would have stuck around through the incidents if this team was winning. I can't by any means prove this theory, but it is my opinion. We can agree to disagree if you'd like.

I suspect the the winning thing would make a serious difference despite the negative incidents. But the part I really agree with is the first part of your post. I tell people I'm a Pacers fan and I get tired of their tired responses of how the team is a bunch of thugs.

What thugs? Tins and Quis I suppose, but I think a lot of our guys are upstanding indviduals and, as you say, some of the more "nuanced" transgressions would be easily overlooked if we were ECF contenders.

I don't think lots of people even know Murphy, Dunleavy, Ike, and other guys who aren't in trouble. Not to mention JO who, no matter what you think about his performance and/or injuries and whether or not you think he should be traded, is a pretty good guy.

People are fickle and extemely uninformed yet they think they can just blaze away. They have the right. And I have the right to think (I don't actually say b/c I don't want to be rude) don't come running back when we eventually cycle around to a winning team again.

If they want to rip the team that they SUPPORT b/c it plays poorly or because the management hasn't done the right things to make it competitive, no problem. To just blindly rip somebody apart for loyalty and the team with very little real knowledge of it, well I won't say what my opinion of those folks is.

rexnom
04-10-2008, 07:18 PM
I suspect the the winning thing would make a serious difference despite the negative incidents. But the part I really agree with is the first part of your post. I tell people I'm a Pacers fan and I get tired of their tired responses of how the team is a bunch of thugs.

What thugs? Tins and Quis I suppose, but I think a lot of our guys are upstanding indviduals and, as you say, some of the more "nuanced" transgressions would be easily overlooked if we were ECF contenders.

I don't think lots of people even know Murphy, Dunleavy, Ike, and other guys who aren't in trouble. Not to mention JO who, no matter what you think about his performance and/or injuries and whether or not you think he should be traded, is a pretty good guy.

People are fickle and extemely uninformed yet they think they can just blaze away. They have the right. And I have the right to think (I don't actually say b/c I don't want to be rude) don't come running back when we eventually cycle around to a winning team again.

If they want to rip the team that they SUPPORT b/c it plays poorly or because the management hasn't done the right things to make it competitive, no problem. To just blindly rip somebody apart for loyalty and the team with very little real knowledge of it, well I won't say what my opinion of those folks is.
I don't know...I feel as if he's stealing $20mil from our team every year. Yeah, I said it! I'm there, OK? You happy, Peck?

Eindar
04-11-2008, 05:42 AM
The 03-04 year Pacers win 61 games and the colts where sold out the entire year. I believe it has more to do with winning. If we get a solid PG next year and Tinsley is moved along with maybe Quis by the end of next year with no more stupid PR moves the fans will be coming back.

That's the problem, I don't think they will be. I don't think "No PR problems" will be enough. The year we won 61 games, we were one of the top 3 teams in the league and had 0 PR problems. Our average attendance was good, but it's not like we were packing the house. In fact, looking at the year to year attendance, it was best described as "average" or maybe slightly below average for Conseco Fieldhouse.

For me, it sucks that the Pacers have to compete not only against the other NBA franchises, but also the Colts.

Putnam
04-11-2008, 07:53 AM
For me, it sucks that the Pacers have to compete not only against the other NBA franchises, but also the Colts, and the Indians, and IU and Purdue and Ball State and premium cable and satellite TV, and dinner at Bonefish, and bowling, and a camping trip, and the new casino at Shelbyville, and Dancing with the Stars, and getting new tires for the family van, and vacations to Mexico, and staying at home and renting a movie, and donating to a worthy charity, and dinnr at St. Elmo's, and the latest episode of Lost, and the other new casino at Anderson, and White Castle (What you Crave!!), and getting tickets to Wicked in Chicago, and getting drunk, and buying new furniture, and paying Sallie Mae for your kid's college, and on and on and on.


Fixed.

And I'm not being facetious at all. We talk as if life is a binary choice between "Pacers" or "Not Pacers." Or, as Eindar says, "Pacers" or "Colts." But for most people life offers a great number of choices -- not just two.

BillS
04-11-2008, 09:02 AM
We talk as if life is a binary choice between "Pacers" or "Not Pacers." Or, as Eindar says, "Pacers" or "Colts." But for most people life offers a great number of choices -- not just two.

Tivo, Bonefish before the game, White Castle after the game, and go to all those other things when the Pacers aren't playing.

Oh, and get your kids done with school. That's the important part. :laugh: