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Willbo
06-09-2004, 08:38 AM
Ok guys, it time.......

we all know the multitude of baseless trade rumours can only entertain us for so long until eventually, well.... :unimpressed:

So why not spice it up with some good ol' competition?

WHo knows their GM(s?) the best (and lets avoid turning this into an argument about who really wields the power of veto :D )

Basically predict what will happen in this pacers offseason.... No ambiguous references to a 'shooting guard who can create his own shot' or a 'big man who can... be big' rather names and deals.

So we can crown an offseason expert at some later date.

(Ok so basically we are just providing a topic to direct baseless rumours to but hey.... here somenody can win :dance: :dance: :dance: )

MSA2CF
06-09-2004, 08:44 AM
Sounds like fun...I have to go back to the batcave and think about this for a while... :devil:

Will Galen
06-09-2004, 09:11 AM
Basically predict what will happen in this pacers offseason....

Bird protects JO, Ron, Al, Tins, Foster, Fred, Bender, and Brezac.

If JJ is a free agent then the Pacers resign him and Charlotte doesn't select anyone from the Pacers. If JJ is not a free agent Charlotte selects him.

He resigns Brewer, but not Kenny Anderson.

Bird trades Al, Pollard, Fred, and next years 1st round draft choice for Dampier, Richardson, and Cardinal.

Willbo
06-09-2004, 09:21 AM
Basically predict what will happen in this pacers offseason....

Bird trades Al, Pollard, Fred, and a 1st round draft choice next year for Dampier, Richardson, and Cardinal.

there is one..... Will Galen locked away.

Step right folks, Step right up....

Everyone loves a carnival atmosphere... dont they?

Suaveness
06-09-2004, 09:22 AM
Oh I know ....DW....is Donnie Walsh! :dance: ;)

sixthman
06-09-2004, 09:24 AM
Basically predict what will happen in this pacers offseason....

Bird trades Al, Pollard, Fred, and a 1st round draft choice next year for Dampier, Richardson, and Cardinal.

Holy sheet. That's what I was told would happen, only it's this year's pick GS will get the rights to sign. By the way, I love Brian Cardinal. Damp and J Rich are ok. :D

I, however, fearlessly predict that JRich will not become a Pacer.

Willbo
06-09-2004, 09:29 AM
Oh I know ....DW....is Donnie Walsh! :dance: ;)

ahh yes there is always one..... :unimpressed:

:dance: :pepper: ;)

Doug
06-09-2004, 09:33 AM
My sure-to-be-right prediction:

We will not get, or even strongly persue, Dampier.

If we wanted to pay a center the type of money he's going to get, we would have just paid Brad.

I also think that Dampier played the way he played this year because its a contract year and that he will be a disappointment to whoever signs him.

On top of that, in the future his contract will be mentioned in the same tones usually reserved for Austin's.

Suaveness
06-09-2004, 09:35 AM
My sure-to-be-right prediction:

We will not get, or even strongly persue, Dampier.

If we wanted to pay a center the type of money he's going to get, we would have just paid Brad.

I also think that Dampier played the way he played this year because its a contract year and that he will be a disappointment to whoever signs him.

On top of that, in the future his contract will be mentioned in the same tones usually reserved for Austin's.

Yep. We will not get him. And I don't even want him at all.

diego
06-09-2004, 10:20 AM
Expansion Draft:

They protect - JO, Artest, Tins, Foster, Reggie, freddie, Al, Bender
Charlotte picks up Brezec from us


Free agents -- They resign Brewer and he spends one more year as third backup behind Tins and AJ before taking over for AJ the following year....Anderson goes elsewhere


Draft -- They select a Euro player as a project that they can let play another year or two in Europe while they have a full lineup....no harm here as 29th pick probably wont produce much


Trades -- they do a sign and trade with GS for Dampier and give up Al and Pollard

Unfortuneately we do not make blockbuster trade to get big time SG, instead Reggie returns for final season and is starter again, backed up by Freddie

We use Mid level exception to go out and get a shooter. Dont really have a name here so i am going to just say Jon Barry.


Full anaylsis:

Starting lineup next year of Tins, Reggie, Artest, JO, Dampier.....backups are AJ, Freddie/Barry, Bender, Cro, Foster,
James Jones and Brewer again get relegated minutes but are being groomed for major roles the following season.

Bender takes over as 6th man replacing Harringtons minutes. Reggie starts but plays less minutes (15-20) and Freddie and Barry split up the other 28-33 dependant upon matchups.

Cro becomes JOs backup and Foster is Dampier backup.

All in all Bird and DW go for more bulk to compete with Detroit front line and use exceptions to fill out shooter spots. As much as the franchise would liek to get big time SG, they dont do it while Reggie is here much to the dismay of the fans.

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 10:25 AM
Okay I will Start Off Slooooooooow ..Pacers won't have the same Roster next year , new players will be added

To be Continued :D

sweabs
06-09-2004, 10:38 AM
Wow...I really, REALLY hope we don't acquire Dampier.

diego
06-09-2004, 10:55 AM
Wow...I really, REALLY hope we don't acquire Dampier.


Well i think he could be a good fit here. But thats just my opinion. I dont see another center out there better than him that would be available, and i think teamed with JO and Artest would be a great frontline. Foster is good and i really like hsi game, but IMO he is better suited as a backup where he can really be the energy and sparkplug.

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 10:58 AM
Wow...I really, REALLY hope we don't acquire Dampier.

Well don't get your hopes to high , i have a friend of a friend who knows someone in the Pacers Office and he says you will hear the Pacers and Dampier mentioned alot in a few weeks.


No I am not joking or trying to be funny.

sweabs
06-09-2004, 11:03 AM
Wow...I really, REALLY hope we don't acquire Dampier.

Well don't get your hopes to high , i have a friend of a friend who knows someone in the Pacers Office and he says you will hear the Pacers and Dampier mentioned alot in a few weeks.


No I am not joking or trying to be funny.

Well if that is the case, then I hope the name Jason Richardson is also making appearances.

Hicks
06-09-2004, 12:02 PM
Wow...I really, REALLY hope we don't acquire Dampier.

Well don't get your hopes to high , i have a friend of a friend who knows someone in the Pacers Office and he says you will hear the Pacers and Dampier mentioned alot in a few weeks.


No I am not joking or trying to be funny.

I can believe that. Everything I heard at the trade deadline (mainly from people in the know that are Warrior fans) is that we nearly nabbed him in Feb. along with either Claxton or Dunleavy.

Mourning
06-09-2004, 01:08 PM
Yup! I remember that rumour. If I recall correctly it was only cancelled because Artest got injured, right :confused:

I'm not out on Dampier. He's big, strong, very good rebounder, but I don't really know muchg about his passing out from the double team or inside the paint, don't know much about his shooting and I heard he was pretty slow, further ... wasnt this a contract year for him :confused:

I just don't know, if he would fit in he would be fantastic to have, on the other hand WILL he keep competing the same with his new contract? How long will that contract be? For how much? Shouldnt we prioritisize the SG position, soo many questions.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Hicks
06-09-2004, 01:12 PM
I'd probably take Damp. I mean, center-wise we're swapping Pollard for him. That makes Damp an upgrade by default even if he flops.

If we can get a good little guy too, I'm all for it.

Suaveness
06-09-2004, 01:15 PM
I'd probably take Damp. I mean, center-wise we're swapping Pollard for him. That makes Damp an upgrade by default even if he flops.

If we can get a good little guy too, I'm all for it.

But his contract will be bigger. And longer.

indygeezer
06-09-2004, 01:22 PM
1) Reggie will retire.

2) We will lose Primos to Charlotte

3) We will move up into the top 25 to draft the korean kid.
3a) If not then we will take which ever is availabe between the Korean, the Puerto Rican, or the Argentinian at #29.

4) Al will be used to gain a SG (no not Allen too much$$$$) young and developing, just the way DW likes em.

<edit> 3 and 4 are null and void if what I truelly believe comes to pass. I really think you'll see a major move up in the draft by the Pacers. (2 thru 4 somewhere in there)

Grant
06-09-2004, 02:13 PM
June 21st 4:37AM
I've been up all night reading my scouting reports, talking to Larry, and sneaking over to PD for last minute insight. Everyone there is clamoring for a shooting guard. But I've been in this business long enough to know that shooting guards are a dime a dozen - we'll get one in a few weeks. I'm looking high and low for a big man. So is everybody else. I have a feeling that we are going to have to play the hand we are dealt and just get the best guy on the board. I can already hears the screams "ANOTHER SMALL FORWARD?!?!?" Oh well. The guy that we will probably end up with is Lawrence Roberts. He's a bit of a tweener SF/PF, but his offense game and rebounding skills are similar to Al, and we can work on his defense.

June 22nd 9:35PM
Well we slipped through the cracks on expansion day. The Bobcats have been wheeling and dealing all day (must be nice to have all that room under the cap). I was conflicted about putting Reggie on the list, knowing what it would mean if Charlotte selected him. Ironically it was his decision to play another year that cemented his spot on the list. If Charlotte thought he would retire they would have snapped him up for the cap space. His salary was just too high for them, knowing that he would play one more year.

July 5th 11:56PM
Well, Larry and I finally pulled the trigger. Houston and Orlando had been trying to work a Francis-McGrady trade, but Orlando wanted a big guy too, and Houston wanted to unload Mobley with McGrady coming in. So they called us up asking about Harrington. I'll probably get crucified publicly (I'm used to that), but we need a guy that can shoot from the outside and Mobley hits at almost 40% from the arc, so we are putting the finishing touches on a deal that sends Harrington and Francis to Orlando, McGrady to Houston and brings Mobley here.

I've decided to stand pat at the point guard spot. We've promised Jamison the 3rd spot - that should keep him happy. I'll smooth things over with Reggie and Freddie tomorrow.

I'll also need to talk to Jonathan about his critical role next year. He's got big shoes to fill.

Ironically the position I'm concerned about the most is the backup PF/C spots. When Jeff sits we can move Jermaine over, but JB won't be able to fill that spot the way Al did. Larry's been looking for a big guy that we can use the MLE on. More later.

July 7th 5:21PM
I wish we still had Brad Miller. The search for a backup PF/C continues. We might be stuck with Scot as our Center and Bender as our PF. Spoke with Vlade's agent and he said that he is not really interested in coming here, even with our team at the cusp of winning it all. Stromile said that he is about to re-sign with Memphis. Will talk with Etan and Joel tomorrow.

July 10th 3:14PM
We just agreed to terms with Antonio McDyess. His injury history concerns me, but he can play the PF and C spots and getting him for the MLE could be a steal if he is back to his old self. I would have liked to have gotten more than a 1 year contract out of him, but he is determined to show that he is back and will look for that payday next year. If he does play well, we have a shot at resigning him, or could swing a sign-and-trade. I've got my fingers crossed, but its worth it.

I guess that solidifes us.

We have:

Jamaal, Anthony, and Jamison
Cuttino, Fred, and Reggie
Ron, and Jonathan, and James
Jermaine, Antonio, and Austin
Jeff, Scot and Primoz

I think we are a little more balanced and ready to go. This is the year.

able
06-09-2004, 02:17 PM
I am not sure if we would trade up in the draft, IF we do, then forget all other trades, tweaking at most.

As for Dampier:

ONLY if J-Rich is part of the deal, and I believe that to be the demand in the front-office as well.

Also, NO new contract for Damp, existing contract for 2 years (so he does NOT opt out) which would suit the P's better anyway, we can decide in two years time what we want to do with him, while having either Brezec ready or a draftpick ready by then (this year's pick)
AJ, night well opt out and not be re-signed (monetary reasons, he will be able I think to get a nice pay rise somewhere, he had an impressive playoffs series, i remember the whole season however and nay mind him getting more money elsewhere) Brewer will be re-signed and moved up in the rotation (Unless the off chance that we can trade Ron for a ceritfied top5 player) .
JJ will be re-signed, Brezec protected, unless we can't get rid of Polly (whom i would miss, the man has more humour in his lil toe then the rest of the team combined)
With J-Rich and Freddie the need for a SG is deminished and Reg can still start for a token 4 minutes.
JB will be the 6th man.

Pacers will win the whole show.

Hicks
06-09-2004, 02:25 PM
I'd probably take Damp. I mean, center-wise we're swapping Pollard for him. That makes Damp an upgrade by default even if he flops.

If we can get a good little guy too, I'm all for it.

But his contract will be bigger. And longer.

I don't think that matters. If we trade for him, we think he's a good long-term fit. And we'd be paying no more for him than the combined salaries of Pollard and Al.

ChicagoJ
06-09-2004, 02:59 PM
June 21st 4:37AM
I've been up all night reading my scouting reports, talking to Larry, and sneaking over to PD for last minute insight. Everyone there is clamoring for a shooting guard. But I've been in this business long enough to know that shooting guards are a dime a dozen - we'll get one in a few weeks. I'm looking high and low for a big man. So is everybody else. I have a feeling that we are going to have to play the hand we are dealt and just get the best guy on the board. I can already hears the screams "ANOTHER SMALL FORWARD?!?!?" Oh well. The guy that we will probably end up with is Lawrence Roberts. He's a bit of a tweener SF/PF, but his offense game and rebounding skills are similar to Al, and we can work on his defense.

June 22nd 9:35PM
Well we slipped through the cracks on expansion day. The Bobcats have been wheeling and dealing all day (must be nice to have all that room under the cap). I was conflicted about putting Reggie on the list, knowing what it would mean if Charlotte selected him. Ironically it was his decision to play another year that cemented his spot on the list. If Charlotte thought he would retire they would have snapped him up for the cap space. His salary was just too high for them, knowing that he would play one more year.

July 5th 11:56PM
Well, Larry and I finally pulled the trigger. Houston and Orlando had been trying to work a Francis-McGrady trade, but Orlando wanted a big guy too, and Houston wanted to unload Mobley with McGrady coming in. So they called us up asking about Harrington. I'll probably get crucified publicly (I'm used to that), but we need a guy that can shoot from the outside and Mobley hits at almost 40% from the arc, so we are putting the finishing touches on a deal that sends Harrington and Francis to Orlando, McGrady to Houston and brings Mobley here.

I've decided to stand pat at the point guard spot. We've promised Jamison the 3rd spot - that should keep him happy. I'll smooth things over with Reggie and Freddie tomorrow.

I'll also need to talk to Jonathan about his critical role next year. He's got big shoes to fill.

Ironically the position I'm concerned about the most is the backup PF/C spots. When Jeff sits we can move Jermaine over, but JB won't be able to fill that spot the way Al did. Larry's been looking for a big guy that we can use the MLE on. More later.

July 7th 5:21PM
I wish we still had Brad Miller. The search for a backup PF/C continues. We might be stuck with Scot as our Center and Bender as our PF. Spoke with Vlade's agent and he said that he is not really interested in coming here, even with our team at the cusp of winning it all. Stromile said that he is about to re-sign with Memphis. Will talk with Etan and Joel tomorrow.

July 10th 3:14PM
We just agreed to terms with Antonio McDyess. His injury history concerns me, but he can play the PF and C spots and getting him for the MLE could be a steal if he is back to his old self. I would have liked to have gotten more than a 1 year contract out of him, but he is determined to show that he is back and will look for that payday next year. If he does play well, we have a shot at resigning him, or could swing a sign-and-trade. I've got my fingers crossed, but its worth it.

I guess that solidifes us.

We have:

Jamaal, Anthony, and Jamison
Cuttino, Fred, and Reggie
Ron, and Jonathan, and James
Jermaine, Antonio, and Austin
Jeff, Scot and Primoz

I think we are a little more balanced and ready to go. This is the year.


:idea: All that's missing from this are Donnie's cigarette breaks...

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 03:04 PM
I am just wondering why Donnie and LArry would be speaking with Vlade's agent , Vlade and his 2 pack of smokes a day , wonder if Donnie smokes that much ?

Ragnar
06-09-2004, 03:29 PM
It seems like we have dealt with the Clippers more than once in the past. So I am guessing that we will send Bender and Jones to Clipperland for QRich and some luggage.

MSA2CF
06-09-2004, 03:40 PM
Basically predict what will happen in this pacers offseason....

Okay, here I go...*gulp*

Pacers Acquire:
SG Steve Smith
C Greg Ostertag
Philadelphia's 1st round picks in 2004 and 2006
C Todd MacCulloch
CCH Kevin O'Neill

Pacers Lose:
C Primoz Brezec
PG Jamison Brewer
SF Al Harrington
SF James Jones
PG Kenny Anderson
CCH Mike Brown
Indiana's 1st round pick in 2004

Pacers Draft (#9/#59):
PG Devin Harris (http://hoopshype.com/draft/devin_harris.htm)
C Chris Garnett (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/chrisgarnett.asp)

bulletproof
06-09-2004, 03:46 PM
I am just wondering why Donnie and LArry would be speaking with Vlade's agent , Vlade and his 2 pack of smokes a day , wonder if Donnie smokes that much ?

He smokes that much.

MagicRat
06-09-2004, 03:49 PM
I am just wondering why Donnie and LArry would be speaking with Vlade's agent , Vlade and his 2 pack of smokes a day , wonder if Donnie smokes that much ?

He smokes that much.

Donnie might go through 2 packs during a game. He leaves at every timeout and reaching into his pocket for the smokes before he gets down the steps.........

And bulletproof's response shows that he may indeed be the answer to the question "Who knows DW?"............

indygeezer
06-09-2004, 04:08 PM
Yeah but BP didn't make any prediction.

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 04:08 PM
And bulletproof's response shows that he may indeed be the answer to the question "Who knows DW?"............

Indeed :meditate:

beast23
06-09-2004, 07:02 PM
Pacers give up #29, Al and Pollard in a sign-and-trade to get fa Dampier and fa Cardinal. Dampier does NOT get max, but is happy to be playing for a winner..... and we don't get JRich.

Brezec is picked up by the Bobcats after we bribe them with a box of Tootsie Rolls and a hooker.

Kenny tells us to go screw ourselves and speaks poorly of his experience in Indy after being picked up by another team.

JJ is re-signed to a 2-year contract at $600K per.

Brewer walks after Carlisle refuses to guarantee him more PT, even though we wanted him as our 3rd PG.

We find court time for Freddie at PG, but we also draft a PG with our 2nd round choice to cover our arses.

We sign fa Brent Barry to a two year contract with most of the $5.1M MLE.

And we pick up a no-name in training camp to fill out our 15 man roster.

Ultimate Frisbee
06-09-2004, 08:57 PM
We lose Brezec to the expansion draft because Charlotte thinks the Pacers are missing out on his talents.

We try to swing some trades to bring in a big name SG, but the price is too high and would involve losing Artest (who has too great of an upside and too low of a contract to get rid of). Since this year's draft is extremely complicated (due to lots of foreigners and youngsters), we decide to keep our pick and do our best too scout the many prospects available. We draft the best available player regardless of age or position and plan to bring him up in our system (lets just say Sato for now). We don't decide until the last minute who that is since other teams have the same problems...

After the draft we begin going after free agents. We need a SG and another big man to help Jermaine and to potentially deal with Shaq in the finals. We got Slava Medvedenko at a modest price. Slava will start at center and will give us another option on offense at center and will give JO many more open looks. We wanted Adonal Foyle for MLE, but he signed with GS again because he likes it there.

Finally, we traded Al, Tinsley, and Pollard to Seattle and got Brent Barry, Ridnour, and Calvin Booth in a sign and trade... Barry is a great combo guard who can shoot and play the point if needed... Booth is able defensively and can help when Medvedenko is insufficient.. overall Seattle just wanted him out... We also pick up more offense at the PG spot.

We obtain:

1st round draft pick (Sato) and whoever we pick second
Medvedenko
Barry
Ridnour
Booth

We lose:
Brezec (expansion draft)
Brewer (cut due to sufficient talent at his position)
Anderson (signs elsewhere)
Harrington (trade)
Tinsley (trade)
Pollard (trade)

Our lineup looks like this at the beginning of the year:

PG: Barry/Johnson/Ridnour
SG: Miller/F. Jones/Sato
SF: Artest/Bender/J. Jones
PF: JO/Croshere/2nd round pick
C: Medvedenko/Foster/Booth

Barry ends up playing a lot of the minutes at SG...


I think I suck at this... :confused: :confused:
oh well... i gave it my best! :dance: :pepper:

Tom White
06-10-2004, 06:26 PM
June 21st 4:37AM

"I've been in this business long enough to know that shooting guards are a dime a dozen"

If that's the case DW, here's a nickel, get us six!

July 7th 5:21PM
"I wish we still had Brad Miller".

No doggone kidding!