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FireTheCoach
03-21-2008, 03:47 PM
Ive been paying attention the last 2 seasons. Graves is good.

High bball IQ, good handles, plays defense and a reliable scorer when he needs to be.... he'll have a solid NBA career I think.

D-BONE
03-21-2008, 04:13 PM
I like Graves a lot but I'd have to disagree about the NBA part. I think the physical aspect will be too much for him. Short and slight. Mediocre speed for his size.

Mike Green I think would stand a better chance although I'm not sold on it.

Trader Joe
03-21-2008, 04:15 PM
Graves has very bad feet. He's about as athletic as the chair I'm sitting in and his handles are not that spectacular. Plus his passing is questionable. He's a college player all the way.

Eindar
03-22-2008, 01:13 AM
I think either him or Emmenecker, the PG from Drake, are the only shots this year of a Steve Nash - type player that you can draft late and be surprised by how effective they are sans athleticism.

But I don't think either of them are Steve Nash, just possibly career backups.

Raoul Duke
03-22-2008, 01:43 AM
I worked with him last summer. I don't think he's planning on playing after this from the job he had. I think he was like an actuarial intern or something.

FireTheCoach
03-22-2008, 02:22 AM
I worked with him last summer. I don't think he's planning on playing after this from the job he had. I think he was like an actuarial intern or something.

hmmm... thats too bad. I enjoy watching the players that acheive success because they are smart, disciplined and determined moreso than the players who get by on size and athleticism. Sucks that this is the last we'll get to see of him playing basketball.

PR07
03-22-2008, 02:23 AM
I think there's a small chance. I mean if Chris Quinn can make a roster, I think Graves has a chance. However, I like Mike Green more as an NBA prospect.

Graves is too small (in both height and size) and doesn't have the athleticism to make up for it. He also has trouble finishing sometimes close to the rim, and that will only get worse at the NBA level as he goes up against the world's premier athletes. What I am impressed with is his speed with the ball. Graves isn't T.J. Ford or Ty Lawson with the ball, but he has excellent speed dribbling. He can pretty much get by anyone. That coupled with excellent shooting and a high basketball IQ make him a really good college player.

Trader Joe
03-22-2008, 02:23 AM
Quinn has PG skills. Graves is a two.

indygeezer
03-22-2008, 10:56 AM
I saw the Horizon Championship game. IMO, Graves was the MVP for that game at least. The Bulldogs barely held their own with him on the bench but every big run they had occured with him handleing the point. Good ball-handler and decision maker. Not a 2 but a true 1.

That freshman C they have is gonna be a HOSS!

DisplacedKnick
03-22-2008, 11:12 AM
Well, Hubert Davis and Steve Kerr had long NBA careers as 3-pt specialists so I suppose Graves could make it.

IMO Europe's the better choice for him though - his game should be really effective there.

Jonathan
03-22-2008, 11:22 AM
Ive been paying attention the last 2 seasons. Graves is good.

High bball IQ, good handles, plays defense and a reliable scorer when he needs to be.... he'll have a solid NBA career I think.

I agree Graves could have a long NBA tenure if he gets with the right team ie Phoenix. I remember Davis (espn analayst) saying something along those lines when Butler beat Texas Tech earlier in the season.
He can shoot, hit free throws (no one should foul him late in games)
does not turn-over the ball, excellent dribbler

JohnnyBGoode
03-24-2008, 02:54 PM
I like Graves a lot but I'd have to disagree about the NBA part. I think the physical aspect will be too much for him. Short and slight. Mediocre speed for his size.

Mike Green I think would stand a better chance although I'm not sold on it.

Green is garbage! He cost Butler the game aganist Tennesse with his NBA wannabe attitude. Graves was the heart and soul of that team. I personaly think he is tired of the whole basketball thing and probably won't even try to move to the next level.

Stryder
03-25-2008, 12:49 AM
I know for a fact that Mr. Graves has interviewed in the Indianapolis area for a post college job.

ABADays
03-25-2008, 04:31 PM
I don't think Graves gives any thought to going on with with basketball and will not look back. He's sure going to make some corporate team good though!

FireTheCoach
03-26-2008, 07:04 AM
Like I said, its too bad we wont be seeing him play ball anymore. I am happy that I got to see a quality Butler team for a few years, theres no better place than Hinkle Fieldhouse to watch a basketbal game btw....

The Bulldogs had a really good team these last few years and AJs the guy that made it work. I wont badmouth Green here, he had his place on that team but as often as he could be a hero he could also be the goat. His play against Tenn, especially in OT, made me ill.