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bulletproof
06-05-2004, 07:55 AM
I've been doing some stat checks on some of the SGs whose names have come up here recently. I'm curious to see who you'd like to see on the team, and who you think we might trade for (and why, if you have time).


2003-04

R. Allen.............23.0 ppg; 44.0 FG%; 39.1 3P%; 90.4 FT%; 4.8 apg

J. Crawford......17.3 ppg; 38.6 FG%; 31.7 3P%; 83.3 FT%; 5.1 apg

M. Ginobili........12.8 ppg; 41.8 FG%; 35.9 3P%;*80.2 FT%; 3.8 apg

L. Hughes........18.8 ppg; 39.7 FG%;*34.0 3P%;*79.7 FT%; 2.4 apg

T. McGrady.......28.0 ppg; 41.7 FG%; 33.9 3P%; 79.6 FT%; 5.5 apg

C. Mobley.........15.8 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 39.0 3P%; 81.1 FT%; 3.2 apg *

F. Murray.........12.3 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 29.3 3P%; 71.5 FT%; 2.5 apg

P. Pierce...........22.9 ppg; 40.2 FG%; 29.9 3P%; 81.9 FT%; 5.1 apg

M. Redd............21.7 ppg; 44.0 FG%; 35.0 3P%; 86.8 FT%; 2.3 asp

Q. Richardson...17.3 ppg; 39.8 FG%; 35.2 3P%; 74.0 FT%; 2.1 apg

J. Richardson....18.7 ppg; 43.9 FG%; 28.2 3P%; 68.4 FT%; 2.9 apg

sweabs
06-05-2004, 10:12 AM
From that list, and being realistic, I have to say my guy Quentin Richardson of course, and also Cuttino Mobley. I think either one would fit in well here.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 10:35 AM
Where's Shane Battier? :sadbanana:

bulletproof
06-05-2004, 10:52 AM
Where's Shane Battier? :sadbanana:

Um, he's a small forward.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 10:53 AM
Where's Shane Battier? :sadbanana:

Um, he's a small forward.

He's a F-G.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 10:53 AM
Where are Dajuan Wagner, Voshon Lenard and Trenton Hassell :confused:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

sweabs
06-05-2004, 10:55 AM
Where are Dajuan Wagner, Voshon Lenard and Trenton Hassell :confused:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Only one I'd consider there is Voshon.

bulletproof
06-05-2004, 10:58 AM
Where are Dajuan Wagner, Voshon Lenard and Trenton Hassell :confused:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Lenard maybe, but good lord, I hope we can do better than any of these guys.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 11:04 AM
Shane Battier..............8.5 PPG; 44.6 FG%; 34.9 3P%; 73.2 FT%; 1.3 apg


Ranked #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.8)
Ranked #13 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.49)

bulletproof
06-05-2004, 11:08 AM
Shane Battier..............8.5 PPG; 44.6 FG%; 34.9 3P%; 73.2 FT%; 1.3 apg


Ranked #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.8)
Ranked #13 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.49)

We need a pure shooter who can spread the floor. Is that who your first choice would be? And who would you be willing to give up for him?

Mourning
06-05-2004, 11:11 AM
I was always under the impression that Hassell could shoot the ball quite nicely and was a good defender aswell :confused: I could very well be wrong, I haven't seen him that much.

But, if I'm right he could very well blossom here with much more minutes, shots, etc. And defensively we get a good player too. Ok, harrington for him straight up is waaaaaaayyy too much, but if the Wolves added maybe some other extra's :confused: . Just speculating a little here.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

sweabs
06-05-2004, 11:14 AM
I was always under the impression that Hassell could shoot the ball quite nicely and was a good defender aswell :confused: I could very well be wrong, I haven't seen him that much.

But, if I'm right he could very well blossom here with much more minutes, shots, etc. And defensively we get a good player too. Ok, harrington for him straight up is waaaaaaayyy too much, but if the Wolves added maybe some other extra's :confused: . Just speculating a little here.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

He is a great defensive player, but his offense doesn't seem to be on every night. We need a consistent guy who is an offensive threat at the SG position. Plus, Trenton is not a guy who can create his own shot...I think that is real important for us to remember when getting a SG.

And I would HATE to have Dajuan Wagner...no offense.

Hicks
06-05-2004, 11:28 AM
J. Crawford......17.3 ppg; 38.6 FG%; 31.7 3P%; 83.3 FT%; 5.1 apg

M. Ginobili........12.8 ppg; 41.8 FG%; 35.9 3P%;*80.2 FT%; 3.8 apg

L. Hughes........18.8 ppg; 39.7 FG%;*34.0 3P%;*79.7 FT%; 2.4 apg

C. Mobley.........15.8 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 39.0 3P%; 81.1 FT%; 3.2 apg *

F. Murray.........12.3 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 29.3 3P%; 71.5 FT%; 2.5 apg

Q. Richardson...17.3 ppg; 39.8 FG%; 35.2 3P%; 74.0 FT%; 2.1 apg


This is the list from which I think we may get our SG from. No guarantees, obviously.

Hicks
06-05-2004, 11:29 AM
Where are Dajuan Wagner, Voshon Lenard and Trenton Hassell :confused:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Oh yeah, throw Voshon Lenard to my list.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 11:33 AM
Well I aggree with you that our future SG should be able to create on his own.

I just feel some of the names being thrown up in here are aimed too high (read: unrealistic) for Al. Guys like Redd, T-Mac, Ray Allen and Pierce. I just don't see any of those coming here unless we trade like half our team or cornerstones.

Why is Brent Barry not on the short list btw, together with Ronald Murray maybe we could ship Al over there, its far away, so he's not going to bite us in the *** very often (if he will at all ;) ), they arent a great team and want more quality up front at both PF and C.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

bulletproof
06-05-2004, 11:44 AM
Okay, here's who I'd like:

1. Ray Allen
2. Michael Redd
3. Tracy McGrady
4. Q. Richardson

Here's who I think we might actually get:

Paul Pierce
Jason Richardson


Why?

I could see Bird initiating a dialogue with either Ainge or Mullen for obvious reasons—he knows both of them.

Now, I'm not convinced Ron won't be traded. There were some off-court things that went on this past season that rankled management, plus you have to give up something to get something in return. I remember being mildly taken aback when Jalen was traded. Here was a guy who was averaging over 20 ppg. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Ron was traded and Al got his wish to be a starter here.

Ray Allen would be my first choice. He's still young, but at the same time would provide some veteran leadership. The guy is a pure shooter. To get him, I have little doubt we'd have to give up Ron.

But imagine this:

PG Tinsley
SG Allen
SF Harrington
PF JO
C Foster

6th man: Jones/Miller

If Ron's off the table and we trade Harrington, I'd like to get either Ginobili, Crawford, Q. Richardson, J. Richardson or perhaps Redd, although I think he would be a looong shot.

able
06-05-2004, 11:50 AM
In my opinion trading Ron would be a major mistake, and not comparable to the smart move of trading Jalen.
Al a starter? yes please but somewhere else, he just doesn't have it, he had all year to prove it, he failed the test.

If any comparison to Jalen goes it is for Al, I want the ball and I'm important.
Most of us here can not judhe of the court issues, since we are not aware of them, Al has been in the window al year, and is imo the most likely one to go.

Forget Allen, he's a pain and definitely not a fit on this team, no matter how good he can be, he is just not the guy to go inside first.
And if I think of the line you suggest (AL and Allen, no Ron) then I'm straight away thinking first round exits.

*IF we get to the playoffs at all

bulletproof
06-05-2004, 11:54 AM
In my opinion trading Ron would be a major mistake, and not comparable to the smart move of trading Jalen.

I wasn't comparing the two. I was merely pointing out that you have to give up something significant to get something significant in return.

Alabama-Redneck
06-05-2004, 11:57 AM
I don't think the Spurs would part with him but Ginobili really impresses me. Not just right now but for the future also. I think he would fit in the system better than most. :cool:

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 11:58 AM
Shane Battier..............8.5 PPG; 44.6 FG%; 34.9 3P%; 73.2 FT%; 1.3 apg


Ranked #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.8)
Ranked #13 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.49)

We need a pure shooter who can spread the floor. Is that who your first choice would be? And who would you be willing to give up for him?

Shane has always stuck me as a good long distance shooter--that spreads the floor. He is just a solid, all-around type of player & I think he could adapt to our system easily, so yeah, he's my first choice.

I tried that RealGM thing and I couldn't find a trade to work, so I stopped trying...I didn't really try that hard though. I'd be willing to give up Al, Primoz, Scot, James, and/or second round draft pick/future first rounder.

Also, I'd try to pry Earl Watson from the Grizzlies too.

Pig Nash
06-05-2004, 12:01 PM
Memphis trades: SF Bo Outlaw (4.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.6 minutes)
SF Shane Battier (8.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PG Earl Watson (5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 5.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
Memphis receives: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and -5.5 apg.

Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Indiana receives: SF Bo Outlaw (4.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 82 games)
SF Shane Battier (8.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 79 games)
PG Earl Watson (5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 5.0 apg in 81 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and +5.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Memphis and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Memphis and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


Would this work for you MSA2CF? We might have to throw in a pick.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 12:06 PM
Memphis trades: SF Bo Outlaw (4.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.6 minutes)
SF Shane Battier (8.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes)
PG Earl Watson (5.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 5.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
Memphis receives: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and -5.5 apg.

Would this work for you MSA2CF? We might have to throw in a pick.

Sure works for me.

Shane-solid starting/backup SG.
Earl-solid backup PG.
Bo-solid rebounder/energy guy (reminds me of Jeff).

I like it; the only problem is, Jerry West isn't an idiot. I think he knows how good those players are. I guess I'm only dreaming. :(

Pig Nash
06-05-2004, 12:12 PM
OH! I thought they didn't play Bo. I was just using him as trade filler with an expiring contract after this year. (by the way thats a lot of cap space) And i agree, Jerry west is no idiot. He wouldn't do this deal. Plus i think they have a logjam at PF anyway.

Anthem
06-05-2004, 12:12 PM
Would this work for you MSA2CF? We might have to throw in a pick.

It's a good trade in a vacuum. But we're trying to make this roster more, not less, balanced.

I like Battier a lot and I think he'd be the ideal backup swingman. But if he's the primary object of our offseason affection, I'll be displeased.

Pig Nash
06-05-2004, 12:19 PM
I thought Battier was a SG?

Anthem
06-05-2004, 12:26 PM
I thought Battier was a SG?

He can play the SG and SF positions. He's a good defender at either, although he's not Ron Artest.

Cactus Jax
06-05-2004, 12:42 PM
Paul Pierce would be interesting as a Pacer. Not sure about his stats for this year, but I think Ainge could possibly get rid of him, especially if Paul continues to hate more and more of the moves.

There could either be a Harrington and Bender for Pierce, or Harrington Pollard, and Freddie for Pierce trade I guess.

Cactus Jax
06-05-2004, 01:06 PM
Here are stats for Paul Pierce.

Paul Pierce...03/04

80 games
38.7 minutes per game
.402 field goal percentage :puke:
.299 three point percentage :puke:
.819 free throw percentage :nod:
.90 offensive rebounds a game
5.70 defensive rebounds a game
6.50 total rebounds a game :nod:
5.1 assists a game :nod:
1.64 steals a game :nod:
.65 blocks a game :nod:
3.79 turnovers a game :puke:
2.90 fouls a game
23.0 points a game :nod:

Some bad shooting numbers but I attribute a lot of that to to crappy players he had last year.

Ultimate Frisbee
06-05-2004, 01:32 PM
2003-04

R. Allen.............23.0 ppg; 44.0 FG%; 39.1 3P%; 90.4 FT%; 4.8 apg

J. Crawford......17.3 ppg; 38.6 FG%; 31.7 3P%; 83.3 FT%; 5.1 apg

M. Ginobili........12.8 ppg; 41.8 FG%; 35.9 3P%;*80.2 FT%; 3.8 apg

L. Hughes........18.8 ppg; 39.7 FG%;*34.0 3P%;*79.7 FT%; 2.4 apg

T. McGrady.......28.0 ppg; 41.7 FG%; 33.9 3P%; 79.6 FT%; 5.5 apg

C. Mobley.........15.8 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 39.0 3P%; 81.1 FT%; 3.2 apg *

F. Murray.........12.3 ppg; 42.5 FG%; 29.3 3P%; 71.5 FT%; 2.5 apg

P. Pierce...........22.9 ppg; 40.2 FG%; 29.9 3P%; 81.9 FT%; 5.1 apg

M. Redd............21.7 ppg; 44.0 FG%; 35.0 3P%; 86.8 FT%; 2.3 asp

Q. Richardson...17.3 ppg; 39.8 FG%; 35.2 3P%; 74.0 FT%; 2.1 apg

J. Richardson....18.7 ppg; 43.9 FG%; 28.2 3P%; 68.4 FT%; 2.9 apg

Ranking of SG's as beneficial to the Pacers:
1.) Bryant (not listed) 24.0 ppg; 43.8 FG%; 33.1 3P%; 85.2 FT%; 5.1 apg; 5.5 RPG
2.) Allen
3.) McGrady
4.) Redd
5.) Mobley
6.) Ginobili (for his defense only)

PLEASE, NOT ANYONE with a FG% less than 40 or a 3P% less than 30!!! We need a shooter...

Anthem
06-05-2004, 01:33 PM
I think we can cross Ginobli off our list... I can't imagine him leaving the Spurs.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 01:38 PM
Why is nobody listing Brent Barry :confused:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Ultimate Frisbee
06-05-2004, 01:43 PM
Brent Barry: 10.8 PPG; 50.4 FG%; 45.2 3P%; 82.7 FG%; 5.8 Apg

I like Brent too! (except for the fact that he only scores 11 ppg)

He is also a free agent, increasing the likelihood of us acquiring him...

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 01:44 PM
Brent Barry: 10.8 PPG; 50.4 FG%; 45.2 3P%; 82.7 FG%; 5.8 Apg

I like Brent too! (except for the fact that he only scores 11 ppg)

I only watch the Sonics play once a year, so maybe someone else knows this: Would Brent fit in with the Pacers? What I mean is: Does he fit the style of play that our team is accustomed to?

Cactus Jax
06-05-2004, 01:48 PM
Brent Barry: 10.8 PPG; 50.4 FG%; 45.2 3P%; 82.7 FG%; 5.8 Apg

I like Brent too! (except for the fact that he only scores 11 ppg)

I only watch the Sonics play once a year, so maybe someone else knows this: Would Brent fit in with the Pacers? What I mean is: Does he fit the style of play that our team is accustomed to?

I would say probably not. He's more of a fast-break type of player, that can do everything on the court. His three point shot is UGLY but the ball goes in almost 50% of the time. He can also play PG as well at times as he's a great ball-handler.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 02:22 PM
Well, ok only 11pts, but ehh... look who else is on that team. That is almost a shooter-only team. And he's a smart player, has good court vision, imagine him with Tinsley on the court at the sametime or with Freddie. I like the idea. And he shoots the ball well. I dont know his defensive skills though. I do know he has pretty reasonable athletic ability.

How about:

Brent Barry, Ronald Murray and one of their bad contract centers for

Al Harrington and Pollard

Ideas?

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Hicks
06-05-2004, 02:38 PM
I would be OK with Al for Barry as long as they gave us something else too. Maybe add Pollard and take one of their bigs with a large contract? (Assuming he'd do us good)

Snickers
06-05-2004, 02:56 PM
Two questions:

1] Al's main gripe is that he wants to get big minutes [start] and be a primary offensive option, right?

2] I know we can trade him anywhere we want to, but I really can't imagine us sending him to Minny or Sacto or somewhere where he'll be a third or fourth option. So should we be limiting our speculation to crappy teams where Al would be a star? For the sake of realism? :confused:

Off the top of my head, here's a list of teams where Al would be a #1 or #2 scoring option [or a #1 or #2 post option, anyway]. Centers and 2-guards that catch my eye are listed in [].

Atlanta [Terry]
Boston [Blount, Welsch]
Charlotte [-]
Chicago [Curry, Crawford]
Denver [Andersen, Lenard]
Golden State [Dampier, Richardson]
Houston [Cato, Mobley]
Milwaukee [Redd, Skinner]
New York [Thomas]
Orlando [Bogans, DeClercq]
Seattle [Murray, Barry]
Toronto [Peterson]
Utah [Bell, Collins]

Arcadian
06-05-2004, 03:05 PM
I agree with Bulletproofs view on Artest. I think he could be trade for another star (Pierce, Allen or T-Mac). Also if we were to get a 2 with better offensive skills than Ron will he accept being the third scoring option?

Mourning
06-05-2004, 03:17 PM
I can live with what you stated Snickers, except if there were to be a sign & trade like we had happenning to us last year.

Might also want to add the Clippers [Richardson].

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

sweabs
06-05-2004, 03:35 PM
I can live with what you stated Snickers, except if there were to be a sign & trade like we had happenning to us last year.

Might also want to add the Clippers [Richardson].

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

I don't think Al would be the first or second option on the Clippers when they have Brand and Magette.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 03:42 PM
True! my bad I withdraw my note ;) :dance: :pepper: :dance:

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Arcadian
06-05-2004, 03:53 PM
I dis agree with the primise. I don't believe that Al feels like he has to be the 1st or 2nd option.

I think that he wants to start because it means more money and chance to make the All-Star game.

Snickers
06-05-2004, 03:59 PM
I dis agree with the primise. I don't believe that Al feels like he has to be the 1st or 2nd option.

I think that he wants to start because it means more money and chance to make the All-Star game.

You might be right. If that's the case, then it still narrows down the list of teams we're dealing with a bit. We need to find someone who's got an extra guard or two, and is looking for forward help.

Mourning
06-05-2004, 04:10 PM
Seattle and Chicago jump out than if you ask me, maybe Houston aswell.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Arcadian
06-05-2004, 04:21 PM
Like Posey a lot but I have heard that Memphis really does, too. I don't know if they would be willing to part with him.

blanket
06-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Two questions:

1] Al's main gripe is that he wants to get big minutes [start] and be a primary offensive option, right?

2] I know we can trade him anywhere we want to, but I really can't imagine us sending him to Minny or Sacto or somewhere where he'll be a third or fourth option. So should we be limiting our speculation to crappy teams where Al would be a star? For the sake of realism?

When it comes to a trade, I think it's irrelevant what Harrington wants. If he's traded, he'll go to whichever team offers Donnie and Larry the best deal, regardless of whether it makes Al a first option, second option, or even a starter. So, I think we can openly consider any team as a potential trading partner. Of course, teams with a need for a player like Al make sense to give the most consideration...

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 04:49 PM
Blanket, are you in any way related to Michael Jackson? :whoknows:

blanket
06-05-2004, 04:57 PM
Blanket, are you in any way related to Michael Jackson? :whoknows:

:laugh: nah, his kid just stole my nick

TheSauceMaster
06-05-2004, 07:29 PM
There has been some speculation that Miller might come off the bench next season, but Carlisle said he doubts that would happen.

"If he returns for an 18th year, my feeling would be he probably would be a starter next year," Carlisle said.


Until that Changes ^^^^ You Can cross off all those SG options ;)

blanket
06-05-2004, 08:02 PM
There has been some speculation that Miller might come off the bench next season, but Carlisle said he doubts that would happen.

"If he returns for an 18th year, my feeling would be he probably would be a starter next year," Carlisle said.


Until that Changes ^^^^ You Can cross off all those SG options ;)

Not necessarily... If we trade Al for a starting-quality shooting guard, there's nothing to say that player can't be our 6th man like Jamison was for the Mavs. And I'm sure once Reggie sees he has capable replacement, he would concede it's best for the team if he comes off the bench.

Jose Slaughter
06-05-2004, 08:55 PM
I was looking at a depth charts & salaries just lastnight to see where a deal might be do-able.

As mentioned elsewhere, Quintin Richardson is a possibility. The Clippers could move Maggette to the 2, start Harrington & Brand up front. LA is also under the cap so they could take on more salary then they send out.

The 2 other teams I saw that were in need of front court help that had depth at guard were the Hawks & the Jazz.

When I looked at Atlanta I was looking at Bob Sura. Sura alone won't get a deal done but if the Hawks add Zeljko Rebraca I think it could be something Bird would consider.

The Jazz deal might make more sense. Utah has Giricek, Lopez & Arroyo in the backcourt. They could deal Harpring for Harrington & start him alongside Kirilenko.

Harpring has played the 3 more than the 2 but coupling him with Artest I think he could play the 2 here.

Utah also has 3 first round picks & Sloan might not want to bring in 3 kids.

As far as Seattle goes......

Ray Allen has mentioned that there is a lot riding on how the Sonics handle the Brent Barry. Allen wants him back & has all but said, Barry goes, I go.

Seattle really doesn't need Harrington but if we offered Pollard along with Al for Barry & their problem child, Jerome James, they might have to think about that one.

James has been a big underachiever but next year is the last yeat on his deal.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 09:07 PM
Jose, I never thought of Harpring...Might be a good fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he a blue-collar, hard-working type of guy like Jeff?

Ultimate Frisbee
06-05-2004, 09:33 PM
Harpring is a kick-A$$ player... You think he can play the 2, he is 6-7, 231 lbs?

Hoopshype makes it sound like he can at least defend it:

"Has spent a lot of time in the weight room.. Very strong upper body... One of the top rebounders in the league in his position... Tough defender.. Can guard multiple positions... Has developed a more consistent jump shot... Gets lots of layups."

2004 Stats:

36.6 min/g .471 FG% .242 3pt% .688 FT% 8.00 RPG 2.0 APG .71 SPG 2.10 TPG 16.2 ppg

The problem is that he doesn't really shoot all that well from the outside... so I don't see Indy pursuing him as a first option... and I think the Jazz are content with him and he is content with the Jazz... The Jazz just need loads of players though (they only have 4 players under contract next season) , so they might consider taking players from us...Croshere would fit in well there and take money off of our hands...

ChicagoJ
06-05-2004, 10:37 PM
My order of preference:

Ginobolli
Mobley
Rip Hamilton
McGrady
Ray Allen

I'd be fine with using our MLE on Brent Barry. He's already a combo guard, so we wouldn't have to wait on Fred to develop. But I wouldn't want Brent to be our starting SG. A three guard rotation of Tinsley + Brent + anybody mentioned in this thread as the starting SG is a significant upgrade over what we had available to use last season.

I'm not sold an Battier being athletic enough to play in the backcourt all the time. He seems like a natural SF to me.

Redd's gonna have to play at a high level for another season before I'm convinced he's the real deal.

I could live with Q or Jason Richardson, but I wouldn't be doing backflips over them.

I wouldn't touch Pierce, well the only way I'd do that is if Ron was traded for him. Can you imagine the wrestling match between those two ballhogs fighting over that ball while Rick is screaming at both of them to give it to JO? :o

I'd be happy with bringing Jalen back, BTW. But his contract would make that impossible.

ChicagoJ
06-05-2004, 10:56 PM
Wasn't Pierce the ball hog that single handedly lost the world championships a couple years ago? Can fill it up though, if he could learn T*E*A*M.

Yes and yes.

MSA2CF
06-05-2004, 11:06 PM
I'd be happy with bringing Jalen back, BTW.

:surprised: :puke:


[hr]

Okay, okay...I will confess; I had the same idea, but I just dislike the guy so much, I didn't want to suggest it for fear it may happen.

Hicks
06-05-2004, 11:07 PM
I'd be happy with bringing Jalen back, BTW. But his contract would make that impossible.

Obviously you haven't read my "Wacky Trade Idea #1" thread yet. :)

Ultimate Frisbee
06-06-2004, 12:40 AM
Hey...

I saw this on the ESPN board... I don't know if there is any validity too it, but, hey... take it with a grain of salt

http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/nba/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=nba_ind&id=118638

"A buddy of mine works for the Pacers (not the masturbating guy) and most likely harrington will be shipped. Like sporting news said McGrady is an option, but they're also looking into Jason Richardson from GS and trading up to around 5 to get Harris or Childress. Reggie doesn't mind coming off the bench if necessary, but he's not hinting whether he's even coming back next year. Croshere will most likely still be here, b/c though his contract is big, Artest isn't getting paid much so they feel it cancels out some. I hear they're also looking into get Brian Cardinal, I don't know if it would be a part of the J Rich deal or not. I'll try to keep you updated as he drops me the news."

Harris being Devin Harris of Wisconsin...
"Strenghts: Great scoring skills... Can really shoot the ball... Good vision of the court.. Very quick and intense.
Weaknesses: Needs to add strength... A true point guard?"

and Childress being Josh Childress... who needless to say will probably play SF but might perhaps be able to handle the 2...
"Strengths: An all-around player... Can do a little bit of everything... Long arms... Very competitive.
Weaknesses: Strong enough for the NBA?"

Peace

Mourning
06-06-2004, 07:36 AM
Cardinal? Hmmm... I dont know very much about him, except that he's young, can shoot and had a nice breakout earlier this season. How is his D? Do the Warriors need SFs???

I like Harpring, but please not at the 2 where we need a shooter with range.

I dont see Redd, Milwaukee's main man coming here for Al, so arguing that he hasnt shown enough yet (still not :confused: ) is futile in my view.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Snickers
06-06-2004, 09:49 AM
Cardinal is a scrappy forward. Great kind of player to have, but I can't see much playing time for him here unless a forward or two are moved.

Richardson is a very interesting player. He's kind of like Vince Carter, pre-injuries. He can create on offense, he can shoot, he can drive. I like him, as long as he can play within the offense here.

Harpring would be a fantastic player here. He's been forced to be essentially the go-to guy in Utah, and that's really not when he's at his best. Last year he was hurt a lot and didn't have one of his better shooting years.

Battier played PF in college. He can play the 2, but he's really more of a natural SF.

bulletproof
06-06-2004, 10:11 AM
Here are stats for Paul Pierce.

Paul Pierce...03/04

80 games
38.7 minutes per game
.402 field goal percentage :puke:
.299 three point percentage :puke:


That FG% looks to be about average for the pack. A few spike above that (Allen, Redd and J. Richardson), but not many. His 3P% is quite a bit lower than average.

ChicagoJ
06-06-2004, 12:42 PM
I'd be happy with bringing Jalen back, BTW. But his contract would make that impossible.

Obviously you haven't read my "Wacky Trade Idea #1" thread yet. :)

Just saw it, and I'd make that trade. Because of Jalen's salary, it would require dumping Croshere's salary. So I don't think I'd make that trade if I'm Toronto.