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MarionDeputy
06-02-2004, 09:23 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

Hicks
06-02-2004, 10:30 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I looked the other way the first time I read it, but you nkow, MarionD has a real point. That's a pretty bad statement to post, FTC.

FireTheCoach
06-02-2004, 11:14 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.


<<<YAAWWWWWWNNNN>>>>

MarionDeputy
06-02-2004, 11:42 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.


<<<YAAWWWWWWNNNN>>>>

How typical. You try to spin your racist remark off on your "grandpa" and then when get called out on it have nothing else to say? What a pussy. Its this type of perpetual hatred an sterotyping that do so much damage in our society. Hicks I enjoy coming here, and have alway felt this is a great board, it seems to attracted quite a few fans from other teams, allowing remarks like this to be posted will hurt PD's reputation as a site that welcomes "ALL" basketball fans.

FireTheCoach
06-02-2004, 11:53 PM
You called me out... and I don't care.

Give me just one good reason why I should respond to your "calling out"?

You mean nothing to me and I don't give a damn what you think of what I wrote. I said what I said and that was that. Why do you feel obligated to make it an issue....?

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 12:00 AM
I didn't make it an issue you did by posting. Did you ever think that some people that come here and read what you wrote my take offense to it? You can't see where your comment might be offensive to some? Like maybe an African-American who grew up in a bad part of town? or maybe someone who had a rough upbringing but beat the odds and made something of themselves? Debating the issue is pointless, especially if you can't concede the lack of sensitivity in your comment. Go crawl back under your rock I won't bother you again.

FireTheCoach
06-03-2004, 12:19 AM
WTF ever....

What a whiney lil _______.

The ONLY person that says a fukin thing about my post is some guy that is supposedly sticking up for these non-existant victims of my words.

HEY MAN.... GET A LIFE.

<<<<yaaaAAAAAWWWWWWWnnnnnnn>>>>>

I am not required to be sensitive to others feelings... I've sat down with plenty of people on this message board and they know what I'm all about and they know I'm not a racist.

I'll ask you once again... why do you feel the need to point out that offensive post and make an issue out of it when NOBODY else even seemed to notice. If they did they at least had the good taste to just let it go and not make a big freakin deal out of it.... but no NOT YOU. For some reason you just had to make some big freakin deal out of it.

I'll tell you the truth.... a person that make a crass racist comment on a message board is not nearly as offensive to me as the whiney *** lil b!tches that feel the need to tell them how wrong they are for doing it.

And I'll tell ya something else... I don't give a fukc about cops... especially punk *** reserves like you. And thats a fact jack.

Hicks
06-03-2004, 12:59 AM
I, for one, noticed, I just was at a loss for words on what to say, so I looked the other way not knowing WHAT to say.

But now that I have, I can't say I'm happy to see reference to "that word" here. And you said it in a way, and your reactions to being called out about it also suggest, that you have no problem about using "that word", and I find that disturbing.

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 10:39 AM
I am not required to be sensitive to others feelings...

Thats up to the moderators

I've sat down with plenty of people on this message board and they know what I'm all about and they know I'm not a racist.

You admit to making a "crass racist remark" but your not a racist? If the shoe fits wear it pal.

I'll ask you once again... why do you feel the need to point out that offensive post and make an issue out of it when NOBODY else even seemed to notice.

Why do I feel the need? It was offensive to me.

If they did they at least had the good taste to just let it go and not make a big freakin deal out of it.... but no NOT YOU. For some reason you just had to make some big freakin deal out of it.

Hilarious, you want to question my taste? If you had any taste you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. Making racist remarks is a "big freakin deal" to me.

I'll tell you the truth.... a person that make a crass racist comment on a message board is not nearly as offensive to me as the whiney *** lil b!tches that feel the need to tell them how wrong they are for doing it.

So here you are admitting you made a comment, and that you knew it could be offensive and you really don't care if it bothers someone else. Do you wear your white hood while typing?

And I'll tell ya something else... I don't give a fukc about cops... especially punk *** reserves like you. And thats a fact jack.

How original, gee I've never met anyone like you before! I work in an area full of redneck, poor trashy people, if I haven't run into you already, I'm sure our paths will cross eventually.

FireTheCoach
06-03-2004, 10:50 AM
I am not required to be sensitive to others feelings...

Thats up to the moderators

I've sat down with plenty of people on this message board and they know what I'm all about and they know I'm not a racist.

You admit to making a "crass racist remark" but your not a racist? If the shoe fits wear it pal.

I'll ask you once again... why do you feel the need to point out that offensive post and make an issue out of it when NOBODY else even seemed to notice.

Why do I feel the need? It was offensive to me.

If they did they at least had the good taste to just let it go and not make a big freakin deal out of it.... but no NOT YOU. For some reason you just had to make some big freakin deal out of it.

Hilarious, you want to question my taste? If you had any taste you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. Making racist remarks is a "big freakin deal" to me.

I'll tell you the truth.... a person that make a crass racist comment on a message board is not nearly as offensive to me as the whiney *** lil b!tches that feel the need to tell them how wrong they are for doing it.

So here you are admitting you made a comment, and that you knew it could be offensive and you really don't care if it bothers someone else. Do you wear your white hood while typing?

And I'll tell ya something else... I don't give a fukc about cops... especially punk *** reserves like you. And thats a fact jack.

How original, gee I've never met anyone like you before! I work in an area full of redneck, poor trashy people, if I haven't run into you already, I'm sure our paths will cross eventually.

You aint no different than me..... quit acting like you are. You sure don't have a problem throwing around racist words like REDNECK do ya.

hypocrit.....! Closet Racist....!

"Making racist remarks is a "big freakin deal" to me........ redneck, poor trashy people"

EXPOSED!!!! LIAR!!!!!

bulletproof
06-03-2004, 10:55 AM
Whoa daddy...this thread took an ugly turn (and that's not directed at MarionDeputy).

ChicagoJ
06-03-2004, 11:08 AM
Unfortunately, I thought there was some useful stuff in here before this happened. Perhaps the admins can split this.

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 11:18 AM
"Making racist remarks is a "big freakin deal" to me........ redneck, poor trashy people"[/b]

EXPOSED!!!! LIAR!!!!!

Im quite a bit different then you. The context I used described the people I have to deal with, I lumped you into that category because you seem to have the same ideals and feelings that they do. I never said "white" in my description, there are several poor trashy people that are not white that I deal with as well. As far as I know the term redneck is not an offensive one. Most rednecks I meet enjoy and relish in the title, I assumed you would to. Either way if I offended you let me be the first to apologize, I wouldn't want to post on here and offend someone based on their upbringing or the color of their skin.

FireTheCoach
06-03-2004, 11:21 AM
YEAH... THIS THREAD WENT TO HELL PRETTY QUICK.

I just will not tolerate ANYONE using the word redneck. It is extremely offensive. It gets thrown around WAY to casually and those that say it don't have a clue at how offensive of a word it is. Only a redneck should use the word redneck, said by anyone esle it is truly the most offensive a degrading word that exists.

:mad:

FireTheCoach
06-03-2004, 11:36 AM
Im quite a bit different then you. The context I used described the people I have to deal with, I lumped you into that category because you seem to have the same ideals and feelings that they do. I never said "white" in my description, there are several poor trashy people that are not white that I deal with as well. As far as I know the term redneck is not an offensive one. Most rednecks I meet enjoy and relish in the title, I assumed you would to. Either way if I offended you let me be the first to apologize, I wouldn't want to post on here and offend someone based on their upbringing or the color of their skin.

The context I used to descibe Ron Artest was based on what I've seen while walking the streets of Haughville as a newspaper carrier for the Star 7 days a week for better than 4 years... and don't act like you don't know the kind of people I'm talking about. I lumped him in that catagory because he seems to have the same ideals and displays the same aggressive actions as they do. At least he was in the 4th quarter of game 6, not too much unlike what he has done throughout his tenure with the Pacers. Flipping off fans, fighting on the court, cheap shots, throwing stuff into the crowd, turning over tables full of Gatorade and water, getting suspended and fined, I was talking about Ron Artest and the way he was acting but you want to make it out like I am generally describing my feelings towards all black people.... thats an assumption by you and it's definitely not true about me.

As far as you know the term "redneck" isn't offensive..... well I'll just say that THAT is as far as you know. You need to learn some tolerance for others feelings before you get off complaining about what I say.

Hicks
06-03-2004, 11:58 AM
split this from the main post...

LAPacer
06-03-2004, 12:06 PM
Racism sucks.

If people who say/do racist things can try to understand what others are thinking when others are offended and then learn from it, that would be great.

Personally what FTC said, doesn't seem to be bad at all. But if it offends someone, you have to try to see the other persons point of view, before you lash back.

MarionD and FTC seem like good posters... Maybe its still part of the aftermath of the season ending. I know I had a short temper the night the Pacers FRICKIN' LOST.

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 12:47 PM
Im quite a bit different then you. The context I used described the people I have to deal with, I lumped you into that category because you seem to have the same ideals and feelings that they do. I never said "white" in my description, there are several poor trashy people that are not white that I deal with as well. As far as I know the term redneck is not an offensive one. Most rednecks I meet enjoy and relish in the title, I assumed you would to. Either way if I offended you let me be the first to apologize, I wouldn't want to post on here and offend someone based on their upbringing or the color of their skin.

The context I used to descibe Ron Artest was based on what I've seen while walking the streets of Haughville as a newspaper carrier for the Star 7 days a week for better than 4 years... and don't act like you don't know the kind of people I'm talking about. I lumped him in that catagory because he seems to have the same ideals and displays the same aggressive actions as they do. At least he was in the 4th quarter of game 6, not too much unlike what he has done throughout his tenure with the Pacers. Flipping off fans, fighting on the court, cheap shots, throwing stuff into the crowd, turning over tables full of Gatorade and water, getting suspended and fined, I was talking about Ron Artest and the way he was acting but you want to make it out like I am generally describing my feelings towards all black people.... thats an assumption by you and it's definitely not true about me.

As far as you know the term "redneck" isn't offensive..... well I'll just say that THAT is as far as you know. You need to learn some tolerance for others feelings before you get off complaining about what I say.

What Ron Artest has done has been childish, impulsive and careless. But trying to compare that to black people living in the ghetto is not a fair comparison. Not to mention the attributing the remark to your "grandpa" to deflect critisism. Did every black person in Haughville demonstrate these qualities to you? Did any of them treat you niclely or appreciate the work you did there? I have worked in Haughville, not every black person that lives there smokes crack, drinks 40s, and runs with a gang.

Your attempts to paint me in the same light as you are pointless, we wouldn't be having this discussion if you hadn't spewed the first racial epitaph. And to try to liken Redneck to the N word is an insult to those black people who have had to fight through the bigotry, racism and injustices that go along with "the word".

In my opinon it simply comes down to the fact your in a public forum, you can't see the people you are communicating with, why post something that could be offensive to someone else? Wheres the fellowship in that? Where is just being neighborly? Where is the respect? If you didn't believe or mean what you posted, again why post it all?

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 12:53 PM
Wow, look what happens when you don't check in for 3 days...........

I can't believe it went that long before the original remark was brought to light for what it is. Or maybe people were at the same loss for words that I was.

I actually read through every post twice to make sure I wasn't beating a dead horse, I was a little surprised that no one else mentioned it before me.

LAPacer
06-03-2004, 12:58 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I thought the original remark was open ended. I thought you could have put the word "Playa" or "Man" or even "DPOY". I know you could easily have put the "N" word. But I was hoping he didn't mean that.

Kstat
06-03-2004, 01:01 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I thought the original remark was open ended. I thought you could have put the word "Playa" or "Man" or even "DPOY". I know you could easily have put the "N" word. But I was hoping he didn't mean that.

I think it was pretty obvious to EVERYONE here what he meant.

Personally, if someone made a remark like that on MY board, I'd suspend him for a week. There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

LAPacer
06-03-2004, 01:03 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I thought the original remark was open ended. I thought you could have put the word "Playa" or "Man" or even "DPOY". I know you could easily have put the "N" word. But I was hoping he didn't mean that.

I think it was pretty obvious to EVERYONE here what he meant.

Personally, if someone made a remark like that on MY board, I'd suspend him for a week. There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

FTC, seems like a good poster. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Kstat
06-03-2004, 01:04 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I thought the original remark was open ended. I thought you could have put the word "Playa" or "Man" or even "DPOY". I know you could easily have put the "N" word. But I was hoping he didn't mean that.

I think it was pretty obvious to EVERYONE here what he meant.

Personally, if someone made a remark like that on MY board, I'd suspend him for a week. There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

FTC, seems like a good poster. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So would I, but unfortunately there's verry little reason for that in this case.

Not to mention the cavalier attitude he took towards this thread is equally disturbing.

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 01:05 PM
"You can take a _______ out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a _______ .

Dont mean to hijack the thread, but what a classless, racist remark this is. If the word is so bad that you can't write it out, why post it at all? Maybe I owe the apology, I thought this board had a pretty good reputation for tolerance.

I thought the original remark was open ended. I thought you could have put the word "Playa" or "Man" or even "DPOY". I know you could easily have put the "N" word. But I was hoping he didn't mean that.

If that was the intention why leave the word blank? Its obvious through his subsequent messages that he in fact meant the "N" word.

TheSauceMaster
06-03-2004, 01:08 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

I really try to distnace myself from internet arguement's as they get repetitve and pointless after a few hours.

Kstat
06-03-2004, 01:10 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

I really try to distnace myself from internet arguement's as they get repetitve and pointless after a few hours.

The comment ALONE was racist. It doesnt even MATTER what words he would have filled the blanks with.

bulletproof
06-03-2004, 01:15 PM
There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

Child molesters?

Actually, I can't believe this thread exists. This place has always been a fairly high-minded place to come and discuss the Pacers and hoops in general. It feels like someone has taken a sht in the pool.

bulletproof
06-03-2004, 01:16 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

Um, you'd have to be a dope not to know what he meant.

Kstat
06-03-2004, 01:16 PM
There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

Child molesters?

Actually, I can't believe this thread exists. This place has always been a fairly high-minded place to come and discuss the Pacers and hoops in general. It feels like someone has taken a sht in the pool.

The thread exists because the comment exists. If all of us were such "high-minded thinkers" there wouldn't have been a quote to BEGIN with.

bulletproof
06-03-2004, 01:18 PM
There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

Child molesters?

Actually, I can't believe this thread exists. This place has always been a fairly high-minded place to come and discuss the Pacers and hoops in general. It feels like someone has taken a sht in the pool.

The thread exists because the comment exists. If all of us were such "high-minded thinkers" there wouldn't have been a quote to BEGIN with.

Uh, I think that was my point.

MarionDeputy
06-03-2004, 01:18 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

I really try to distnace myself from internet arguement's as they get repetitve and pointless after a few hours.

I've heard the phrase before. Again if it wasn't supposed be that why not spell out what you mean.

LAPacer
06-03-2004, 01:19 PM
There is nothing that infuriates me MORE than racist comments.

Child molesters?

Actually, I can't believe this thread exists. This place has always been a fairly high-minded place to come and discuss the Pacers and hoops in general. It feels like someone has taken a sht in the pool.

The thread exists because the comment exists. If all of us were such "high-minded thinkers" there wouldn't have been a quote to BEGIN with.

This thread exists because racism still exists and rubs people the wrong way.

Mourning
06-03-2004, 01:21 PM
ok, time for the Mods to decide IF they take action or not, anyhow this thread is just SCREAMING to get locked now.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

LAPacer
06-03-2004, 01:21 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

I really try to distnace myself from internet arguement's as they get repetitve and pointless after a few hours.

The comment ALONE was racist. It doesnt even MATTER what words he would have filled the blanks with.

I don't want to sound insensitive, but IF.. i know its a BIG IF... but IF you made the quote:
You can take a DPOY out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a DPOY.

Then, that quote has nothing to do with race. There are black, asian, mexican, white ghettos. Its like saying taking the dog out of a fight, but not the fight out of a dog. etc

bulletproof
06-03-2004, 01:23 PM
Kstat and LAPacer, you clearly missed my point. I can't believe this thread exists because I can't believe someone would even make that remark here then go on to defend himself in a cavalier manner. Moreover, why wasn't the thread locked and his post deleted and the poster reprimanded? You suggest a one week ban, Kstat. I think that's pretty lenient, actually.

Hicks
06-03-2004, 01:24 PM
Do I have to spell the actual word? *sigh* I think we all know what the _______ was substituting for; otherwise there wouldn't be a _______ there would a word. It's because of what word was implied that it's not typed there to begin with.

Kstat
06-03-2004, 01:24 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

I really try to distnace myself from internet arguement's as they get repetitve and pointless after a few hours.

The comment ALONE was racist. It doesnt even MATTER what words he would have filled the blanks with.

I don't want to sound insensitive, but IF.. i know its a BIG IF... but IF you made the quote:
You can take a DPOY out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of a DPOY.

Then, that quote has nothing to do with race. There are black, asian, mexican, white ghettos. Its like saying taking the dog out of a fight, but not the fight out of a dog. etc

DPOY out of the ghetto? how does that even make SENSE, unless you are directly referring to artest, in which case its racist as hell.

And dogs are animals. They aren't intellegent, self-aware, sentient, etc. To put a human being in the same place as a dog is so racist I don't know where to begin.

TheSauceMaster
06-03-2004, 01:25 PM
you could easily put any word in there...sounds more like a assumpation than anything else of what words to add.

Um, you'd have to be a dope not to know what he meant.

Sure ****ing attack me you ****head , **** you

I transalte it how I want , you want to call me a dope ..get a ****ing life

Hicks
06-03-2004, 01:26 PM
I think it is time to close this; I thought at first explanations could be made to clear things up, but it's obvious now that that won't happen; so I'm gonna cut this down before it can grow any larger.

Also, if anyone was confused by this post, it wasn't started on it's own; I split off the first several comments in this thread from a different post about the Pacers; so it would stop being hijacked.