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  • A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

    Ok, I was talking with some people over the past week and the topic came up that there are Pacers fans that just feel disconnected, disillusioned, apethetic, mad or downright disgusted with the franchise.

    Whether it be the brawl, the play on the floor, the management, the players, the losing, the off-court woes....Whatever

    This thread is for you.

    I have come to beleive that there are a good number of you out there that feel you have no voice and you hang in the background feeling as though there is no place for you to air your complaints.

    This thread is for you.

    This is a safe haven for you to pour out your feelings, get things off of your chest or just frankly rant like a loon (within forum rules of course).

    Now this thread is not to be used to gripe about a current loss or even a losing streak. This thread is for those of you who have either been longtime fans or even short term fans but you find yourself careing less and less each day about the team.

    Tell us why.

    Honestly, I want to know. Frankly there is even a small off shoot chance that your thoughts might make it to a low level Pacers P.R. person as we have been told that on occasion they skim the pages here.

    You are safe here, no one will ridicule you here.

    Now I do think it is appropriate to let people ask questions because if not then it is a blog and not an interactive conversation.

    But this can be the one time that you can let loose with why now you feel like you are disonnected with this team.

    Forum members I would ask that you please allow this space for people to vent thier feelings. Logic, as you and I might think it, does not have to apply to this emotional topic.

    Example if someone says "I don't feel like the team is making any changes" this is not the place to say that the team only has 4 people left over from the brawl and a new coaching staff.

    Please do not attempt to change anyones minds here, that is not the point of this thread.

    Ok, please have at it.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

    So...do we respond to others comments or is this a "Comment only" thread?

    Because I really like the basic concept of a comment only...Let It Out type colu...uh, thread.

    So here goes.........My frustration goes all the way back to the advent of those racecar noises and piped in drumbeats etc. Make the atmosphere conducive to cheering and the crowd will. But phoney hype ain't gonna get the job done. I've heard plenty of others complain about this same thing and yet it continues. Thus the crux of my antipathy. The team/marketing dept. seem totally disconnected from what the fans tell them. Are they using an out of town marketing group because they sure don't seem to understand the locals and what it takes to get them excited. This gaping chasm is made even wider (IMO) by what appears in the papers. I know TPTB want to appear calm and as if all is going according to plan but what they say appears to the average joe as a group that is committed to maintaining the status quo rather than improving our lot in life. We are asked to support a team that not only seems out of touch with the constituency but are apparently ambivalent toward the local fan.

    Let me know if that is NOT what you are looking for and I'll edit/delete it.
    Last edited by indygeezer; 02-13-2008, 08:20 AM.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

      My only real frustration at this point is the way that the trade
      discussion with L.A. was handled. In hindsight (which the highly
      paid TBTP should have recognized at the time), it appears that
      they could have probably either gotten Odom, Brown and a
      1st rounder for J.O. or added Granger to J.O. and potentially
      extracted Bynum and Brown from them. Either would have
      put us in a better positon that where we are now.

      Other than that, I have no problem with what's going on. At this
      point, waiting until closer to the draft to attempt a deal of
      consequence including J.O. and/or others makes the most
      sense.

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      • #4
        Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

        i've been a fan of the Pacers since the Playoffs against the Magic back in the golden era of the Pacers....

        This year quite frankly has been the most frustrating year for me.

        Its a build up of many events taking place and nothing we do seems to make matters any better.

        I used to read any and everything that concerned the Pacers - nowadays don't even bother with it cause they all sound so manufactured and similar to previous comments I just got tired of it.

        There is no sense of hope for this current team. I feel as if this team has gone as far as it can and held to its cards too long which has caused the current fiasco we're dealing with.

        I don't really care about being an underdog as long as I see potential and hope for the future - right now I see a mediocre performance which will not be fixed with any trades that has been proposed and even though the team says they are going after playoffs - don't see any realistic reason for me to root them to be there just so they can get swept by another team in the first round.

        If by some miracle we do make the playoffs I feel as if it would just delay the process of fixing this hurting team and we'll have to go through another year of dismal team support and any sort of progress....

        EDIT: I'd also like to act that I just don't feel any connection to the players on the team - there is no player like Uncle Reggie that I can look up to and cheer!!!!
        Last edited by bellisimo; 02-13-2008, 08:45 AM.

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          Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

          Eh, I'm too apathetic to comment right now. Maybe later. If not, just google "pacersdigest.com kegboy reasons why season tickets".

          Or not. I just checked and it doesn't work.
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          • #6
            Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

            Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
            Or not. I just checked and it doesn't work.
            Nothing works anymore. It's all gone to hell!

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              Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

              Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
              Nothing works anymore. It's all gone to hell!

              hopefully it'll get lost with a "return to sender" sticker so all that is wrong with the world will be fixed!

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                Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                I have pretty tough standards. These were taught to me by IU basketball, the Landry Cowboys (when I was younger) and the ABA Pacers. These were teams that competed and they did it with class and did it the right way. And to be fair, the NBA Pacers were doing it that way for most of its existence.

                Right now the team that represents everything I was taught are the Colts. I don't really fault the Pacer franchise. I truly believe in my heart they did what they could and with the best interest of the fan and the city. The "lack of character" issue is what dishearted me. I weathered the brawl and the "character" issue and remained on-board. I believe this team tries and I will support that. But it is clearly not working and I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. The Sampson situation now at IU has put me on the same plain as the Pacers.

                The true question is "what do you do?" and my true answer is "I don't know anymore."
                The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                • #9
                  Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                  So great that would mean less minutes for williams and less of a chance for graham.... Are we just storing wing players.... I understand we need backcourt help but it makes no sense to trade for a soft injury prone wing player especially with no kidd to pass him the ball

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                  • #10
                    Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                    I get really frustrated watching this team play because we have no shot at an nba title soon but the fact that they are not giving consistent and more minutes to williams and graham makes no sense these guys will be part of that title contending team put the out there if they mess up great they will learn from their mistakes we aren't going anywhere soon so why not develop these players so they are part of the core that leads us out of this misery

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                    • #11
                      Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                      My problem with the Pacers has more to do with the team not living up to the pre-season hype than anything else. Part of that has to do with injuries which I can live with, but a bigger part of the problem rests with the coaching staff/head coach. Mind you, I have alot of respect for coach O'Brien. I just don't think he puts the best players on the floor all the time. To that, I'm with ThA HoyA concerning Williams and Graham.

                      You see, at the start of the season were were told three things:

                      1) That Bird had found a shooter;

                      2) That the players that were acquired were very athletic; and,

                      3) That the product on the floor would be something the fans could be proud of.

                      Well, the "shooter" turned out to be Kareem Rush, the most athletic player on the team IMO has played primarily in garbage time (longs stint to date has been 12 mins), and there's not much to be proud of when your team loses to some of the worse teams in the league by virtue of their overall record.

                      I've always been of the opinion that you put your best five players forward at each position no matter if they're veterans or rookies. IMO, Graham and Williams should be seeing significant playing time IF we are to believe TPTB truly want to place the best product on the floor per items #2 and 3 above. Frankly, I don't see it, and this despite the fact that the Pacers' point totals have drastically increased from last season. In a more uptempo style, I can live with giving up alot of points. What I can't live with is not using some of your better players to help move your team forward even if they are rookies/sophomores especially at critical junctures in games (i.e., when fatigue is clearly a factor among your starters or your depth isn't there due to injuries). You'd think coach would move everybody up the rung, for example, when injuries play a factor, but instead what we tend to see is a player who comes off the bench and does good one game generally doesn't see any significant playing time aftewards when all we've heard is "players have to earn playing time". Well, IMO Stephen Graham, Shawn Williams and to a degree Andre Owens have all earned the right to play. But where are they? Parked on the bench for the most part.

                      Now, to be fair I understand the rational behind NOT benching a $6M investment, i.e., Murphy for Ike, Dun for Rush/Williams (depending on the position Dun playes), or even Tinsley and/or Quis for Deiner or Owens, but don't feed me the "best product on the floor" bull if you're not going to give it to me! IMO, I believe two of the team's better players are or have spent a significant amount of time sitting on the pine. Excuse the pun, but as a fan that bites me right in the ***.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                        I've been a diehard Pacers fan since 1986 when I would listen to the rare game I could get on the radio in NE Indiana...it's tough being a fan of a team you could almost never watch (no cable) or listen to. I loved following the team in those days of mediocrity and so 1994 was such sweet, sweet nectar to my soul, almost better than a beer (although I could not legally drink at the time).

                        I've lived and died with these guys for the better part of 20 years but starting with last season, I've grown incredibly apathetic towards the Blue & Gold to the point where I question if I've even still a true fan of the team. I cannot bring myself to watch a full game...I catch bits and pieces of the games but usually end up just checking the score online later.

                        It's tough to put a finger on what exactly is causing this....I don't think it is purely W/L related as I've been able to be excited about fairly average teams before. I think it is the loss of hope. I really have lost hope in the P's turning this around anytime soon. I don't feel like the goal of the organization is to play for titles anymore, the goal now seems to be winning maybe 40-42 games and securing that 8th seed. Which isn't completely new because Donnie has always been pretty clear about always wanting to be playoff competitive while rebuilding/reloading/whatever you call it. But right now, I just don't see the vision being there from management. Bird is so fond of drafting projects from Europe....why not trade up and take a chance on a young stud more ready to play? Sure it doesn't always work out (Jon Bender) but...I just don't see the vision there. If I saw a vision and I could see the light at the end of the tunnel, I'd jump on board more.

                        I don't know if it makes sense or not but all I know is I miss caring about the Pacers and I hope the flame comes back.
                        Last edited by Big Smooth; 02-13-2008, 07:20 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                          I could comment, but I wouldn't be saying anything different than what I've said before; therefor, I won't repeat myself.

                          For those of you who don't know why I'm disenfranchised his initals are L B.

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                          • #14
                            Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                            I haven't really posted on the Pacers board this year. It's weird - I still watch every game (when I can), and read what people have to say. But something is different. It's not that I don't care.

                            It begins with management. And quite frankly, my beef ends with management.

                            I don't think anyone has a plan. I don't think anyone has truly sat down and come up with a logical plan, that EVERYONE is on board with.

                            Instead, I get this feeling as though there are no long term plans. There's just a series of knee-jerk reactions. Short-term reactions, that have short-term results. Sure, you can pick up a guy like Kareem Rush. But I'm not stupid. Don't tell me he's going to be the big difference maker we've been waiting on all these years. He's a short term solution at a spot we needed help at. That's it. And the same can be said for many guys on our team.

                            There is just no long-term plans in place. Why get a coach like Jim O'Brien when the team is not made to play that style of play? Because he was the easiest short-term answer. Why get a guy like Kareem Rush as the "best shooter in the league" to play on our team? Because he was the easiest answer. Why keep a guy like JO on the team in our current state of affairs? Because he was the easiest answer.

                            It's at the point where it doesn't even seem like we're moving up or down. We just keep moving sideways. And to me, that's even more frustrating than moving down. I can take the moving down, if I know we've committed ourselves to rebuilding. At least I can take solace in knowing that there is a long-term plan. But this right now...whatever we have going on here...it just seems like a bunch of guys that were put here through a series of "lateral" moves.

                            I could post my thoughts more often in relation to this Pacers team. But I just don't care to at this point.

                            Maybe I've found the reason behind what makes the counting thread so special. It always represents some sort of movement...which is more than I can say for the Pacers. So until I see some sort of effort to get this team moving in SOME direction, I'll stick with the counting thread.

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                            • #15
                              Re: A thread for the disenfranchised Pacers fans....

                              My basic gripes are as follows.........


                              First off... Tinsley needs to be gone... He's a headcase , who cannot be depended upon to lead this team...
                              Any trade deal that is made , if it doesn't include Tinsley in it, then the problem will NEVER be recitfied , as long as he is here... period..


                              I like JO alot, but if he can't come back healthy and be a difference maker after the post season... we need to cut our losses and try and trade him ...

                              Another thing that bites my a$$ is how we have players like Graham ,and Diogu , who if they are lucky only get garbage minutes... I think these guys should at very least get 8 to 10 consecutive minutes in a game , to see if they are gonna produce for us that particular game..... IT sucks not seeing these guys even play but once every month or so..

                              Also I think it would be a smart move to secure the re-signing rights of Diener and Rush after this season... Rush makes a very good backup sg , and Diener an EXCELLENT pg backup , and in my opinion possibly our future starting pg... I really like Diener... he is a very good piece to our organization.. as is Granger and Dunleavy... I honestly would rather see T.D. start as pg over Tinsley ANY day.. just look at the assist to turnover rate of each player.. for starters, that should give u a lil bit of an example why he ownes Tinsley as our starting pg.. lol

                              As I said before it doesnt matter who gets traded , as long as Tinsley is still here.. all trades are in vain.. cause the cancer of jamaal would remain...
                              Last edited by Kemo; 02-14-2008, 05:24 AM.
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