View Full Version : Pat's Fans Petition NFL to Review End of SB

McClintic Sphere
02-09-2008, 10:33 AM
These people are either seriously deluded or in major denial or probably both


To: National Football League; Commissioner Roger Goodell We the fans of the New England Patriots demand that the National Football League and Commissioner Roger Goodell review the last 1:40 minutes of the Super Bowl held February 3rd 2008. At 1:22 in the fourth quarter, after Jacobs attained a first down the clock was stopped. The following are the rules regarding clock management in a game.

1. The stadium game clock is official. In case it stops or is operating incorrectly, the Line Judge takes over the official timing on the field.

2. Each period is 15 minutes. The intermission between the periods is two minutes. Halftime is 12 minutes, unless otherwise specified.

3. On charged team time outs, the Field Judge starts watch and blows whistle after 1 minute 50 seconds, unless television does not utilize the time for commercial. In this case the length of the time out is reduced to 40 seconds.

4. The Referee will allow necessary time to attend to an injured player, or repair a legal player’s equipment.

5. Each team is allowed three time outs each half.

6. Time between plays will be 40 seconds from the end of a given play until the snap of the ball for the next play, or a 25-second interval after certain administrative stoppages and game delays.

7. Clock will start running when ball is snapped following all changes of team possession.

8. With the exception of the last two minutes of the first half and the last five minutes of the second half, the game clock will be restarted following a kickoff return, a player going out of bounds on a play from scrimmage, or after declined penalties when appropriate on the referee’s signal.

9. Consecutive team time outs can be taken by opposing teams but the length of the second time out will be reduced to 40 seconds.

10. When, in the judgment of the Referee, the level of crowd noise prevents the offense from hearing its signals, he can institute a series of procedures which can result in a loss of team time outs or a five-yard penalty against the defensive team.

Nowhere in the above rules does it state that in the conditions of what was happening on the clock should be stopped. Also in addition to this six seconds were added to the game clock. Had this illegal clock stoppage not occurred there would have been 40 seconds less time on the clock, 46 seconds less if you consider the six seconds added on after the play. This means that after that play, if the clock was running the way it is supposed to by the rulebook, there would only be 42 seconds left on the clock. Furthermore if this was not enough on the subsequent play time was not taken off during the play followed by a random flashing of numbers on the clock.

The following drive took the Giants a total of 52 seconds on the game clock from the point that six seconds were added to the clock. However if the time was managed the way it was supposed to be there would have been no time left on the clock after Eli Manning was tackled at :50 seconds on the game clock. This irrefutable proof demands that Super Bowl XLII be reviewed from the point of the first illegal stoppage.
We the fans of the NFL demand that Commissioner investigate this matter as it is in his ability and it is his responsibility. The following is what the commissioner may do in this matter.

Commissioner’s Authority
The Commissioner has sole authority to investigate and to take appropriate disciplinary or corrective measures if any club action, nonparticipant interference, or emergency occurs in an NFL game which he deems so unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of a game.

No Club Protests

The authority and measures provided for in this section (UNFAIR ACTS) do not constitute a protest machinery for NFL clubs to dispute the result of a game. The Commissioner will conduct an investigation under this section only to review an act or occurrence that he deems so unfair that the result of the game in question may be inequitable to one of the participating teams. The Commissioner will not apply his authority under this section when a club registers a complaint concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.

Penalties for Unfair Acts

The Commissioner’s powers under this section (UNFAIR ACTS) include the imposition of monetary fines and draft choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred. In the event of rescheduling a game, the Commissioner will be guided by the procedures specified above ("Procedures for Starting and Resuming Games" under EMERGENCIES). In all cases, the Commissioner will conduct a full investigation, including the opportunity for hearings, use of game videotape, and any other procedures he deems appropriate.

Please do the right thing and investigate this game.

The Undersigned (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?XLIItrut)

pig norton
02-09-2008, 11:21 AM
These are Pats* fans? :laugh:

02-09-2008, 11:44 AM
Wow. It's like the can't believe they actually lost for once. They need to get over it.

02-09-2008, 12:22 PM
Yet another example as to why people don't like most Pats fans.

02-09-2008, 01:52 PM
oh so NOW pats fans are all about seeing what is on video tape...

Slick Pinkham
02-09-2008, 04:15 PM
Yet another example as to why people don't like most Pats fans.

The dislike of Patriots fans for these whiners is intense and unanimous.

Every Patriots fan board has threads making fun of these guys and how stupid the whole idea is.

They're whiners who should move on, and who are actually wrong with the facts, also. The founder of patsfans.com disproves their points, one-by-one:


This petition is absolutely ABSURD.

I just re-watched the play. It was that 4th-and-1 play where Jacobs dove for the first down. Carey and the rest of the refs stopped the clock, cleared out players from around the LOS, and Carey eyed the markers to see if it was a FD. He didn't call out the chains, because it was obvious it was a first.

The ref has every right to stop the clock in this situation:

From the OFFICIAL 2007 NFL rulebook - not that dumbed-down "Digest of Rules" the author of this petition used:

Rule 4, Section 5, Article 5:

Article 5 Provided that calling timeout is not in conflict with another rule, the Referee
may suspend play and stop the clock (Referee’s timeout) at any time without penalty to
either team when playing time is being consumed because of an unintentional delay.
Such situations include but are not limited to the following:
(a) when there is the possibility of a measurement for a first down, or if the Referee is
consulting with a captain about one;
(b) when there is an undue pileup on the runner, or while determining possession after
a fumble while time is in;
(c) when there is an undue delay by officials in spotting the ball for the next snap;
(d) if the snap is made before the officials can assume their positions. See 4-6-5-b if it
is a repeated act;
(e) when there is an injury to an official or member of the chain crew;
(f) during an officials’ conference (see 15-1-6); or
(g) while repairing or replacing game equipment, except player equipment.
After a Referee’s timeout, the game clock will start pursuant to Rule 4, Section 3, as if the
Referee’s timeout had not occurred.

Both (a) and (c) apply.

comments from Patriots fans on the petition:

sore losers
move on, folks
They don't speak for me
move on....
This is a joke of some kind right?
These morons don't speak for me either.
Some people can give an entire group a bad name.

02-10-2008, 12:15 AM
Thanks for posting that, pacertom. If you hadn't, I might've thought they were speaking for all of Pat-fandom.

02-10-2008, 12:33 PM
They haven't lost since they played us in the AFC Championship game last season.

At my high school, they did an interview with a Patriot fan living in Indianapolis. Its probably one of the most BS interviews I have ever seen. He is one of those guys who doesn't use facts to prove a statement and goes around boasting about his team like a woman. "The Patriots are just too good for everybody else, we will win it all in 08". I had a talk with him about it...he's just an idiot like the rest of Patriot fans.

Slick Pinkham
02-10-2008, 09:36 PM

At my high school, they did an interview with a Patriot fan living in Indianapolis... "The Patriots are just too good for everybody else, we will win it all in 08". I had a talk with him about it...he's just an idiot like the rest of Patriot fans.

It's truly amazing the way all Patriots fans are just alike.

Another story-- my dad has a neighbor, an older woman with about a dozen cats. She thinks her cats are reincarnated people from her childhood. She loves the Colts, never misses a game on TV, and watches the games with her cats, dressing them up in blue and white. She's a bizarre lady. I'm kind of amazed she's so odd, but given that she's a Colts fans, I guess all Colts fans are exactly like that.


02-10-2008, 10:41 PM
Never thought you would have heard Pats fans clamoring for video tape review.