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bambam
01-30-2008, 12:03 PM
I can only count AD, DD, and Danny Granger as anyone who did anything. Brezec actually turned out to be an ok player for the Bobcats...but seriously! This team hasnt drafted anyone that is a difference maker in the last 16 years. I will admit our picks were on avg in the lat teens to 20s. But, there is always teams find great talent later in the first round...but not the Pacers

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="0">


Year
</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="2">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="3">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="4">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="5">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="6">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Shawne">Shawne Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willish03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Memphis">University of Memphis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=memphis)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="45">45</TD><TD align=left csk="Johnson,Alexander">Alexander Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsal01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Florida State University">Florida State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=floridast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=left csk="Granger,Danny">Danny Granger (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grangda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of New Mexico">University of New Mexico (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nmexico)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Lorbek,Erazem">Erazem Lorbek</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Harrison,David">David Harrison (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrida01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Colorado">University of Colorado (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=colorado)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=right csk="59">59</TD><TD align=left csk="Wright,Rashad">Rashad Wright</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Georgia">University of Georgia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgia)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="49">49</TD><TD align=left csk="Jones,James">James Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesja02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Miami">University of Miami (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=miamifl)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Jones,Fred">Fred Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesfr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Oregon">University of Oregon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oregon)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="40">40</TD><TD align=left csk="Brewer,Jamison">Jamison Brewer (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/breweja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Auburn University">Auburn University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=auburn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=left csk="Brezec,Primoz">Primoz Brezec (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brezepr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="56">56</TD><TD align=left csk="Walls,Jaquay">Jaquay Walls</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Colorado">University of Colorado (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=colorado)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Cummings,Vonteego">Vonteego Cummings (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cummivo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Pittsburgh">University of Pittsburgh (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=pitt)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="Harrington,Al">Al Harrington (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrial01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=left csk="Croshere,Austin">Austin Croshere (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/croshau01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Providence College">Providence College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=providence)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=left csk="Dampier,Erick">Erick Dampier (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dampier01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Mississippi State University">Mississippi State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=missst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Pope,Mark">Mark Pope (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/popema01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kentucky">University of Kentucky (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kentucky)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Best,Travis">Travis Best (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/besttr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgia Institute of Technology">Georgia Institute of Technology (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=gatech)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Hoiberg,Fred">Fred Hoiberg (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoibefr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Iowa State University">Iowa State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=iowast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=left csk="Piatkowski,Eric">Eric Piatkowski (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piatker01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Nebraska">University of Nebraska (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nebraska)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Njoku,William">William Njoku</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="44">44</TD><TD align=left csk="Bailey,Damon">Damon Bailey</TD><TD align=left csk="Indiana University">Indiana University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=indiana)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Haskin,Scott">Scott Haskin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haskisc01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Oregon State University">Oregon State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oregonst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="39">39</TD><TD align=left csk="Hill,Thomas">Thomas Hill</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="51">51</TD><TD align=left csk="Dunkley,Spencer">Spencer Dunkley</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Delaware">University of Delaware (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=delaware)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Sealy,Malik">Malik Sealy (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sealyma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="St. John's University">St. John's University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stjohns)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=left csk="Davis,Dale">Dale Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Clemson University">Clemson University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=clemson)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Green,Sean">Sean Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greense01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Iona College">Iona College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=iona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="45">45</TD><TD align=left csk="Davis,Antonio">Antonio Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Texas at El Paso">University of Texas at El Paso (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=utep)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Kenny">Kenny Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willike03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Elizabeth City State University">Elizabeth City State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=elizcityst)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Hicks
01-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Antonio Davis
Dale Davis
(Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
Fred Hoiberg
Travis Best
Erick Dampier
Austin Croshere
Al Harrington
Primoz Brezec
Danny Granger

Slick Pinkham
01-30-2008, 12:20 PM
Malik Sealy was a good player who lost his life to a drunk driver.

We traded him to get Mark Jackson, I think, so that was not a bad pick at all.

After 10 years Austin is still around, so he's not awful. Al too.

Overall I am sure that many years there were better players on the board, but also quite often there was no one to pick who would not have also been a bust.

bambam
01-30-2008, 12:23 PM
Antonio Davis
Dale Davis
(Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
Fred Hoiberg
Travis Best
Erick Dampier
Austin Croshere
Al Harrington
Primoz Brezec
Danny Granger

Any that have made impacts? I will say Danny has the best chance, but sometimes I wonder about his game.

Fred did have some good years in Minny, but not for Indy. Travis was always a great backup I thought.

Dampier had one good seaon before his BIG CONTRACT, after that...ugh. Not in INDY

Al, well....I dont really know. He just never seemed to make the impact everyone thought. I think we would of still had Al if RC wasnt the coach. Same goes for Ron.
Both Davis boys were very good draft picks....but I am talking about that impact player. The lasy IMPACT player we had was Reggie. And that was how many years ago?

The Indiana Pacers NEED a new face. Someone that is the FACE of the Pacers. And I do believe they will have to get rid of JO and JT before we are 100% away from the brawl.

MyFavMartin
01-30-2008, 12:24 PM
A lot of those picks were late first rounders and second rounders, where talent is hard to find. Look at the list and you'll find no pick better than 10th in the first round.

James Jones was quite a find in the second round. Fred Jones was good.

If we were Atlanta, I would be going nuts over their choices over the years.

And to get technical, Antonio Davis was drafted, released, then signed from Europe as a FA.

FlavaDave
01-30-2008, 12:24 PM
Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.

MyFavMartin
01-30-2008, 12:32 PM
Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.

Agreed. And we had bad luck with injuries with Haskin and Bender.

FlavaDave
01-30-2008, 12:36 PM
As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

1991: Rich King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_King) (C)
1992: Anthony Peeler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Peeler) (SG)
1993: Doug Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Edwards) (SF)
1994: Clifford Rozier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Rozier) (PF)
1995: Loren Meyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Meyer) (PF)
1996: Todd Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Fuller) (C)
1997: Derek Anderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Anderson_%28basketball%29) (SG)
1998: Sam Jacobson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Jacobson) (SG)
1999: Jumaine Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumaine_Jones) (SF)
2000: Erick Barkley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Barkley) (PG)
2001: Boštjan Nachbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1tjan_Nachbar) (SF)
2004: Anderson Varej„o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varej%C3%A3o) (PF)
2005: Gerald Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Green) (G/F)
2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksiy_Pecherov) (PF)


Is that better than what we got?

idioteque
01-30-2008, 12:42 PM
Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.

And Bambam, I think your definition of a "impact player" is what most of us here at PD would call a "star", and you're not going to find too many of those first option caliber guys at 15 or so in the draft.

The only year we really blew it was the Bender year.

Jose Slaughter
01-30-2008, 12:50 PM
We retained the right to Antonio Davis while he was in Europe.

He was not a free agent signing.

Dr. Goldfoot
01-30-2008, 12:52 PM
1991
Hard to argue with Dale Davis at 13 in that draft.
1992
Sealy @ 14 while Doug Christie(17), Jon Barry (21)& Latrell Spreewell (24) were still on the board. Death or no death those players were better from the get go.
1993
Haskin @ 14 while Ervin Johnson, Sam Cassell & Chris Mills were on the board. That was head scratcher at the time, remember.
1994
Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.
1995
Hard to argue w/ Best @ 23
1996
Dampier while Potapenko, Kobe, Peja, Nash, JO & Big Z were still on the board hard to argue that one.
1997
Crosh @ 12 over Derek Anderson, Maurice Taylor, Kelvin Cato & Brevin Knight
1998
Al @ 25 good job
1999
Cummingswas picked for the Warriors so we could have Jeff at the additional expense of our '01 1st rounder that ironically turned out to be Troy Murphy
2000
Brezec 27 no real players after that. I'm not including guys like Redd everybody passed on him and that was 20 some picks later.
2001
See 1999 & 2003
2002
Freddie @ 14 while Juan Dixon, Kareem Rush & Tayshaun Prince went elsewhere
2003
See Jamaal Tinsley
2004
David Harrison @ 29 gets a pass by most but not me since Varejao went next and Duhon went 7 later.

I'll stop there since nobody wants to hear how they passed up some pretty good point guards to get both Danny & Shawne.

Putnam
01-30-2008, 12:54 PM
As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

1991: Rich King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_King) (C)
1992: Anthony Peeler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Peeler) (SG)
1993: Doug Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Edwards) (SF)
1994: Clifford Rozier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Rozier) (PF)
1995: Loren Meyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Meyer) (PF)
1996: Todd Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Fuller) (C)
1997: Derek Anderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Anderson_%28basketball%29) (SG)
1998: Sam Jacobson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Jacobson) (SG)
1999: Jumaine Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumaine_Jones) (SF)
2000: Erick Barkley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Barkley) (PG)
2001: Boštjan Nachbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1tjan_Nachbar) (SF)
2004: Anderson Varej„o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varej%C3%A3o) (PF)
2005: Gerald Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Green) (G/F)
2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksiy_Pecherov) (PF)


Is that better than what we got?


Touche, FlavaDave! Very clever way to answer the question. Dr. Goldfoot goes a little deeper and shows that the Pacers haven't always gotten the best players that were available. But we know more about the players now than even the best scouts knew before their NBA careers began.

It's a crap shoot, folks! And most of the time, you get crap.

avoidingtheclowns
01-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.

i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.

bambam
01-30-2008, 01:00 PM
As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

1991: Rich King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_King) (C)
1992: Anthony Peeler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Peeler) (SG)
1993: Doug Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Edwards) (SF)
1994: Clifford Rozier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Rozier) (PF)
1995: Loren Meyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Meyer) (PF)
1996: Todd Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Fuller) (C)
1997: Derek Anderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Anderson_%28basketball%29) (SG)
1998: Sam Jacobson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Jacobson) (SG)
1999: Jumaine Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumaine_Jones) (SF)
2000: Erick Barkley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Barkley) (PG)
2001: Boštjan Nachbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%A1tjan_Nachbar) (SF)
2004: Anderson Varej„o (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varej%C3%A3o) (PF)
2005: Gerald Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Green) (G/F)
2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksiy_Pecherov) (PF)


Is that better than what we got?


I will admit most were probably as good as we were going to get....BUT check these drafts out!

1996
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 bgColor=#9c6500><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.nba.com/media/spacer.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=500><TBODY><TR bgColor=#9c6500><TD width=30>NO.

</TD><TD width=270>PLAYER, SCHOOL/COUNTRY

</TD><TD width=200>TEAM

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>1.

</TD><TD>Allen Iverson (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverson/index.html), Georgetown

</TD><TD>Philadelphia

</TD></TR><TR><TD>2.

</TD><TD>Marcus Camby (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marcus_camby/index.html), Massachusetts

</TD><TD>Toronto

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>3.

</TD><TD>Shareef Abdur-Rahim (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shareef_abdur-rahim/index.html), California

</TD><TD>Vancouver

</TD></TR><TR><TD>4.

</TD><TD>Stephon Marbury (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephon_marbury/index.html), Georgia Tech

</TD><TD>Milwaukee (1)

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>5.

</TD><TD>Ray Allen (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ray_allen/index.html), Connecticut

</TD><TD>Minnesota (1)

</TD></TR><TR><TD>6.

</TD><TD>Antoine Walker (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antoine_walker/index.html), Kentucky

</TD><TD>Boston

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>7.

</TD><TD>Lorenzen Wright (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lorenzen_wright/index.html), Memphis

</TD><TD>L.A. Clippers

</TD></TR><TR><TD>8.

</TD><TD>Kerry Kittles (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kerry_kittles/index.html), Villanova

</TD><TD>New Jersey

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>9.

</TD><TD>Samaki Walker (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/samaki_walker/index.html), Louisville

</TD><TD>Dallas

</TD></TR><TR><TD>10.

</TD><TD>Erick Dampier (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/erick_dampier/index.html), Mississippi State

</TD><TD>Indiana

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>11.

</TD><TD>Todd Fuller, North Carolina State

</TD><TD>Golden State

</TD></TR><TR><TD>12.

</TD><TD>Vitaly Potapenko (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/vitaly_potapenko/index.html), Wright State

</TD><TD>Cleveland

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>13.

</TD><TD>Kobe Bryant (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/index.html), Lower Merion HS (Pa.)

</TD><TD>Charlotte

</TD></TR><TR><TD>14.

</TD><TD>Predrag Stojakovic (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/predrag_stojakovic/index.html), Serbia & Montenegro

</TD><TD>Sacramento

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>15.

</TD><TD>Steve Nash (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/index.html), Santa Clara

</TD><TD>Phoenix

</TD></TR><TR><TD>16.

</TD><TD>Tony Delk (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_delk/index.html), Kentucky

</TD><TD>Charlotte

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>17.

</TD><TD>Jermaine O'Neal (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/index.html), Eau Claire HS (S.C.)

</TD><TD>Portland

</TD></TR><TR><TD>18.

</TD><TD>John Wallace (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/john_wallace/index.html), Syracuse

</TD><TD>New York

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>19.

</TD><TD>Walter McCarty (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/walter_mccarty/index.html), Kentucky

</TD><TD>New York

</TD></TR><TR><TD>20.

</TD><TD>Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/zydrunas_ilgauskas/index.html), Lithuania

</TD><TD>Cleveland

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>21.

</TD><TD>Dontae' Jones, Mississippi State

</TD><TD>New York

</TD></TR><TR><TD>22.

</TD><TD>Roy Rogers, Alabama

</TD><TD>Vancouver

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>23.

</TD><TD>Efthimis Rentzias, Greece

</TD><TD>Denver

</TD></TR><TR><TD>24.

</TD><TD>Derek Fisher (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derek_fisher/index.html), Arkansas-Little Rock

</TD><TD>L.A. Lakers

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>25.

</TD><TD>Martin Muursepp, Estonia

</TD><TD>Utah (2)

</TD></TR><TR><TD>26.

</TD><TD>Jerome Williams (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jerome_williams/index.html), Georgetown

</TD><TD>Detroit

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>27.

</TD><TD>Brian Evans, Indiana

</TD><TD>Orlando

</TD></TR><TR><TD>28.

</TD><TD>Priest Lauderdale, Central State

</TD><TD>Atlanta

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>29.

</TD><TD>Travis Knight, Connecticut

</TD><TD>Chicago

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Have to say we could of gotten better here.

In 2002 the Pacers could of had
Tayshaun Prince (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tayshaun_prince/index.html)...instead of Jones. But if I remember right that was Thomas choice at that time...and look what he has done to the CBA and NYK.

I also forgot about JT...who we didnt draft, was part of a trade that we got via Atlanta and Memphis.

We lost last years first round pick for Al who we only had for about 4 months.

idioteque
01-30-2008, 01:01 PM
i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.

Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

bambam
01-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Nice post Goldfoot. I am not rying to start a big arguement with anyone. I was just trying to start a post to see other ideas and thoughts. Not tryingt o make anyone made or anything like that.

avoidingtheclowns
01-30-2008, 01:08 PM
Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

i know you just said no question so i felt compelled to ask one. i'm contrarian by nature ;)

avoidingtheclowns
01-30-2008, 01:16 PM
In 2002 the Pacers could of had
Tayshaun Prince (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tayshaun_prince/index.html)...instead of Jones. But if I remember right that was Thomas choice at that time...and look what he has done to the CBA and NYK.

arguably the only thing isiah has done well since joining the knicks is draft.

Dr. Goldfoot
01-30-2008, 01:39 PM
I agree with what I think the premise of this thread is and that's you can't rely on the draft to get the players you need. For further proof just ask....Chris Mullin, Sam Perkins, Mark Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, Byron Scott, Derrick McKey, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Jalen Rose, Tank Thompson, Haywood Workman, Detlef Schrempf, Anthony Johnson, Stephen Jackson etc....

Hell even Erick Dampier, Jeff Foster & Jamaal Tinsley were acquired thru trades originally.

JayRedd
01-30-2008, 01:43 PM
I have a feeling that looking at these Pacer picks all lined up by year can sort of skew the perspective a little bit. So just for reference's sake, here's how some of the other "teams of the 1990s" have compared to us (using these teams cause they probably have similar mid-Teens to mid-20s selection history and like us haven't spent much time in the lottery)

New York Knicks

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Chandler,Wilson">Wilson Chandler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chandwi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="DePaul University">DePaul University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=depaul)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=left csk="Balkman,Renaldo">Renaldo Balkman (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balkmre01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of South Carolina">University of South Carolina (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=scarolina)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Collins,Mardy">Mardy Collins (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collima01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Temple University">Temple University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=temple)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=left csk="Frye,Channing">Channing Frye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fryech01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Lee,David">David Lee (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Florida">University of Florida (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=florida)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="54">54</TD><TD align=left csk="Thompson,Dijon">Dijon Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompdi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California, Los Angeles">University of California, Los Angeles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ucla)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="43">43</TD><TD align=left csk="Ariza,Trevor">Trevor Ariza (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California, Los Angeles">University of California, Los Angeles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ucla)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=left csk="Sweetney,Mike">Mike Sweetney (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sweetmi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgetown University">Georgetown University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgetown)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Lampe,Maciej">Maciej Lampe (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lampema01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="39">39</TD><TD align=left csk="Vranes,Slavko">Slavko Vranes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vranesl01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=left csk="Hilario,Nene">Nene Hilario (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hilarne01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=right csk="35">35</TD><TD align=left csk="Vujanic,Milos">Milos Vujanic</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="38">38</TD><TD align=left csk="Wright,Michael">Michael Wright</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="42">42</TD><TD align=left csk="Chenowith,Eric">Eric Chenowith</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="39">39</TD><TD align=left csk="Postell,Lavor">Lavor Postell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/postela01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="St. John's University">St. John's University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stjohns)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="58">58</TD><TD align=left csk="Mickeal,Pete">Pete Mickeal</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Cincinnati">University of Cincinnati (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=cincy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=left csk="Weis,Frederic">Frederic Weis</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Koch,J.R.">J.R. Koch</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Iowa">University of Iowa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=iowa)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="38">38</TD><TD align=left csk="Johnson,DeMarco">DeMarco Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsde02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of North Carolina at Charlotte">University of North Carolina at Charlotte (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=charlotte)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="44">44</TD><TD align=left csk="Marks,Sean">Sean Marks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marksse01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California">University of California (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=california)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="Thomas,John">John Thomas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomajo02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Minnesota">University of Minnesota (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=minnesota)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=left csk="Wallace,John">John Wallace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallajo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Syracuse University">Syracuse University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=syracuse)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="McCarty,Walter">Walter McCarty (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccarwa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kentucky">University of Kentucky (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kentucky)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Jones,Dontae">Dontae Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesdo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Mississippi State University">Mississippi State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=missst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Monty">Monty Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willimo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Notre Dame">University of Notre Dame (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=notredame)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Ward,Charlie">Charlie Ward (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wardch01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Florida State University">Florida State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=floridast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=left csk="Davis,Hubert">Hubert Davis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davishu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of North Carolina">University of North Carolina (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=unc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=left csk="Anthony,Greg">Greg Anthony (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthogr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Nevada, Las Vegas">University of Nevada, Las Vegas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=unlv)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=left csk="Mustaf,Jerrod">Jerrod Mustaf (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mustaje01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Maryland">University of Maryland (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=maryland)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Utah Jazz (Pretty much "Pacers West" since 1992ish)

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="Almond,Morris">Morris Almond (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/almonmo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Rice University">Rice University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=rice)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="55">55</TD><TD align=left csk="Hill,Herbert">Herbert Hill</TD><TD align=left csk="Providence College">Providence College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=providence)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Brewer,Ronnie">Ronnie Brewer (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brewero02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arkansas">University of Arkansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arkansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Brown,Dee">Dee Brown (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownde03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign">University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=illinois)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Millsap,Paul">Paul Millsap (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Louisiana Tech University">Louisiana Tech University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=latech)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Deron">Deron Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign">University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=illinois)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="34">34</TD><TD align=left csk="Miles,C.J.">C.J. Miles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/milescj01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="51">51</TD><TD align=left csk="Whaley,Robert">Robert Whaley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whalero01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Walsh University">Walsh University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=walshoh)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Humphries,Kris">Kris Humphries (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/humphkr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Minnesota">University of Minnesota (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=minnesota)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=left csk="Snyder,Kirk">Kirk Snyder (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/snydeki01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Nevada, Reno">University of Nevada, Reno (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nevada)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Podkolzine,Pavel">Pavel Podkolzine (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/podkopa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="Pavlovic,Aleksandar">Aleksandar Pavlovic (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pavloal01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Maurice">Maurice Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Alabama">University of Alabama (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=alabama)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="Humphrey,Ryan">Ryan Humphrey (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/humphry01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Notre Dame">University of Notre Dame (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=notredame)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Sampson,Jamal">Jamal Sampson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sampsja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California">University of California (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=california)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Lopez,Raul">Raul Lopez (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezra01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Collins,Jarron">Jarron Collins (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collija03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Stanford University">Stanford University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stanford)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Stevenson,DeShawn">DeShawn Stevenson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stevede01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="50">50</TD><TD align=left csk="Dickens,Kaniel">Kaniel Dickens (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dickeka01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Idaho">University of Idaho (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=idaho)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="Lewis,Quincy">Quincy Lewis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lewisqu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Minnesota">University of Minnesota (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=minnesota)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Kirilenko,Andrei">Andrei Kirilenko (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=left csk="Padgett,Scott">Scott Padgett (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/padgesc01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kentucky">University of Kentucky (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kentucky)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="58">58</TD><TD align=left csk="Lucas,Eddie">Eddie Lucas</TD><TD align=left csk="Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University">Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=vatech)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Mohammed,Nazr">Nazr Mohammed (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mohamna01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kentucky">University of Kentucky (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kentucky)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="57">57</TD><TD align=left csk="Braggs,Torraye">Torraye Braggs (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/braggto01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Xavier University">Xavier University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=xavier)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=left csk="Vaughn,Jacque">Jacque Vaughn (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vaughja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="56">56</TD><TD align=left csk="Erdmann,Nate">Nate Erdmann</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Oklahoma">University of Oklahoma (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oklahoma)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="Muursepp,Martin">Martin Muursepp (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/muursma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="54">54</TD><TD align=left csk="Anderson,Shandon">Shandon Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/andersh01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Georgia">University of Georgia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgia)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="30">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=left csk="Ostertag,Greg">Greg Ostertag (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/ostergr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="31">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Watson,Jamie">Jamie Watson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/watsoja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of South Carolina">University of South Carolina (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=scarolina)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="32">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=left csk="Wright,Luther">Luther Wright (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wrighlu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Seton Hall University">Seton Hall University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=setonhall)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="33">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="45">45</TD><TD align=left csk="Russell,Bryon">Bryon Russell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russebr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="California State University, Long Beach">California State University, Long Beach (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=longbeach)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="34">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Murdock,Eric">Eric Murdock (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murdoer01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Providence College">Providence College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=providence)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="35">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="48">48</TD><TD align=left csk="Austin,Isaac">Isaac Austin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/austiis01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Arizona State University">Arizona State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizonast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="36">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD align=right csk="33">33</TD><TD align=left csk="Palmer,Walter">Walter Palmer (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/palmewa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Dartmouth College">Dartmouth College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=dartmouth)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Houston Rockets

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Brooks,Aaron">Aaron Brooks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookaa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Oregon">University of Oregon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oregon)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="54">54</TD><TD align=left csk="Newley,Brad">Brad Newley</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=left csk="Gay,Rudy">Rudy Gay (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gayru01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="32">32</TD><TD align=left csk="Novak,Steve">Steve Novak (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/novakst01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Marquette University">Marquette University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=marquette)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Head,Luther">Luther Head (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/headlu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign">University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=illinois)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="55">55</TD><TD align=left csk="Flores,Luis">Luis Flores (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/florelu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Manhattan College">Manhattan College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=manhattan)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="44">44</TD><TD align=left csk="Badiane,Malick">Malick Badiane</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=left csk="Ming,Yao">Yao Ming (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=left csk="Nachbar,Bostjan">Bostjan Nachbar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nachbbo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="37">37</TD><TD align=left csk="Maddox,Tito">Tito Maddox (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maddoti01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="California State University, Fresno">California State University, Fresno (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=fresnost)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=left csk="Jefferson,Richard">Richard Jefferson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jefferi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=left csk="Collins,Jason">Jason Collins (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collija04.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Stanford University">Stanford University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stanford)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Armstrong,Brandon">Brandon Armstrong (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/armstbr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Pepperdine University">Pepperdine University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=pepperdine)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=left csk="Collier,Jason">Jason Collier (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collija02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgia Institute of Technology">Georgia Institute of Technology (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=gatech)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="31">31</TD><TD align=left csk="Langhi,Dan">Dan Langhi (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/langhda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Vanderbilt University">Vanderbilt University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=vandy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=left csk="Thomas,Kenny">Kenny Thomas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomake01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of New Mexico">University of New Mexico (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nmexico)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="44">44</TD><TD align=left csk="Washington,Tyrone">Tyrone Washington</TD><TD align=left csk="Mississippi State University">Mississippi State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=missst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="50">50</TD><TD align=left csk="Hamilton,Venson">Venson Hamilton</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Nebraska">University of Nebraska (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nebraska)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=left csk="Dickerson,Michael">Michael Dickerson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dickemi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=left csk="Drew,Bryce">Bryce Drew (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drewbr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Valparaiso University">Valparaiso University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=valpo)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=left csk="Turkcan,Mirsad">Mirsad Turkcan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turkcmi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Mobley,Cuttino">Cuttino Mobley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moblecu01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Rhode Island">University of Rhode Island (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=rhodeisle)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Rhodes,Rodrick">Rodrick Rhodes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rhodero01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Southern California">University of Southern California (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=usc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Zwikker,Serge">Serge Zwikker</TD><TD align=left csk="University of North Carolina">University of North Carolina (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=unc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Harrington,Othella">Othella Harrington (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harriot01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgetown University">Georgetown University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgetown)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=right csk="42">42</TD><TD align=left csk="Livingston,Randy">Randy Livingston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinra01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Louisiana State University">Louisiana State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=lsu)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="50">50</TD><TD align=left csk="Bell,Terrell">Terrell Bell</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Georgia">University of Georgia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgia)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Meek,Erik">Erik Meek</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Burditt,Albert">Albert Burditt</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Texas at Austin">University of Texas at Austin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=texas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="30">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Cassell,Sam">Sam Cassell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cassesa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Florida State University">Florida State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=floridast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="31">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Petruska,Richard">Richard Petruska (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petruri01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California, Los Angeles">University of California, Los Angeles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ucla)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="32">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="50">50</TD><TD align=left csk="Nicola,Marcelo">Marcelo Nicola</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="33">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="11">11</TD><TD align=right csk="11">11</TD><TD align=left csk="Horry,Robert">Robert Horry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Alabama">University of Alabama (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=alabama)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="34">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Jones,Popeye">Popeye Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonespo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Murray State University">Murray State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=murrayst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="35">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Blair,Curtis">Curtis Blair</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Richmond">University of Richmond (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=richmond)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="36">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=left csk="Turner,John">John Turner (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turnejo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Phillips University">Phillips University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=phillips)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="37">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Hughes,Keith">Keith Hughes</TD><TD align=left csk="Rutgers University">Rutgers University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=rutgers)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="38">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="51">51</TD><TD align=left csk="Tabak,Zan">Zan Tabak (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tabakza01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="39">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=left csk="Kessler,Alec">Alec Kessler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kesslal01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Georgia">University of Georgia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgia)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Miami Heat

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=left csk="Smith,Jason">Jason Smith (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithja02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Colorado State University">Colorado State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=coloradost)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="39">39</TD><TD align=left csk="Barac,Stanko">Stanko Barac</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Simien,Wayne">Wayne Simien (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simiewa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="Wright,Dorell">Dorell Wright (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wrighdo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Sow,Pape">Pape Sow (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sowpa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="California State University, Fullerton">California State University, Fullerton (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=calstfull)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Freije,Matt">Matt Freije (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/freijma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Vanderbilt University">Vanderbilt University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=vandy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=left csk="Wade,Dwyane">Dwyane Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Marquette University">Marquette University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=marquette)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="33">33</TD><TD align=left csk="Beasley,Jerome">Jerome Beasley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslje01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of North Dakota">University of North Dakota (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ndakota)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=left csk="Butler,Caron">Caron Butler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/butleca01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Butler,Rasual">Rasual Butler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/butlera01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="LaSalle University">LaSalle University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=lasalle)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="48">48</TD><TD align=left csk="Johnson,Ken">Ken Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Ohio State University">Ohio State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ohiost)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="37">37</TD><TD align=left csk="House,Eddie">Eddie House (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/houseed01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Arizona State University">Arizona State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizonast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Brown,Ernest">Ernest Brown (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/browner01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Indian Hills Community College">Indian Hills Community College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=indianhicc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="James,Tim">Tim James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesti01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Miami">University of Miami (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=miamifl)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Buford,Rodney">Rodney Buford (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/buforro01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Creighton University">Creighton University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=creighton)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=right csk="51">51</TD><TD align=left csk="Brewer,Corey">Corey Brewer</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Oklahoma">University of Oklahoma (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oklahoma)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Smith,Charles">Charles Smith (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithch04.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of New Mexico">University of New Mexico (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nmexico)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Sanford,Mark">Mark Sanford</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Washington">University of Washington (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=washington)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=left csk="Thomas,Kurt">Kurt Thomas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomaku01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Texas Christian University">Texas Christian University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=txchrist)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Banks,George">George Banks</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Texas at El Paso">University of Texas at El Paso (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=utep)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=left csk="Reeves,Khalid">Khalid Reeves (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/reevekh01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=right csk="40">40</TD><TD align=left csk="Webster,Jeff">Jeff Webster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/webstje01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Oklahoma">University of Oklahoma (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oklahoma)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="35">35</TD><TD align=left csk="Stokes,Ed">Ed Stokes (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stokeed01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arizona">University of Arizona (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizona)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=left csk="Miner,Harold">Harold Miner (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/minerha01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Southern California">University of Southern California (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=usc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="10">10</TD><TD align=right csk="37">37</TD><TD align=left csk="Morris,Isaiah">Isaiah Morris (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morriis01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Arkansas">University of Arkansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arkansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="42">42</TD><TD align=left csk="Geiger,Matt">Matt Geiger (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/geigema01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgia Institute of Technology">Georgia Institute of Technology (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=gatech)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=left csk="Smith,Steve">Steve Smith (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithst01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Michigan State University">Michigan State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michiganst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Ackles,George">George Ackles</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Nevada, Las Vegas">University of Nevada, Las Vegas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=unlv)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=left csk="Burton,Willie">Willie Burton (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burtowi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Minnesota">University of Minnesota (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=minnesota)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="30">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=left csk="Jamerson,Dave">Dave Jamerson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamerda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Ohio University">Ohio University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ohio)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="31">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Herrera,Carl">Carl Herrera (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herreca01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Houston">University of Houston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=houston)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Dr. Goldfoot
01-30-2008, 01:43 PM
Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.


Then why did they trade up in the draft for Foster? and trade away a pick for two years down the road? Not questioning you just that thought.

OakMoses
01-30-2008, 01:44 PM
1996
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 bgColor=#9c6500><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.nba.com/media/spacer.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=500><TBODY><TR bgColor=#9c6500><TD width=30>NO.


</TD><TD width=270>PLAYER, SCHOOL/COUNTRY


</TD><TD width=200>TEAM


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>1.


</TD><TD>Allen Iverson (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverson/index.html), Georgetown


</TD><TD>Philadelphia


</TD></TR><TR><TD>2.


</TD><TD>Marcus Camby (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marcus_camby/index.html), Massachusetts


</TD><TD>Toronto


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>3.


</TD><TD>Shareef Abdur-Rahim (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shareef_abdur-rahim/index.html), California


</TD><TD>Vancouver


</TD></TR><TR><TD>4.


</TD><TD>Stephon Marbury (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephon_marbury/index.html), Georgia Tech


</TD><TD>Milwaukee (1)


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>5.


</TD><TD>Ray Allen (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ray_allen/index.html), Connecticut


</TD><TD>Minnesota (1)


</TD></TR><TR><TD>6.


</TD><TD>Antoine Walker (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antoine_walker/index.html), Kentucky


</TD><TD>Boston


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>7.


</TD><TD>Lorenzen Wright (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lorenzen_wright/index.html), Memphis


</TD><TD>L.A. Clippers


</TD></TR><TR><TD>8.


</TD><TD>Kerry Kittles (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kerry_kittles/index.html), Villanova


</TD><TD>New Jersey


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>9.


</TD><TD>Samaki Walker (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/samaki_walker/index.html), Louisville


</TD><TD>Dallas


</TD></TR><TR><TD>10.


</TD><TD>Erick Dampier (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/erick_dampier/index.html), Mississippi State


</TD><TD>Indiana


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>11.


</TD><TD>Todd Fuller, North Carolina State


</TD><TD>Golden State


</TD></TR><TR><TD>12.


</TD><TD>Vitaly Potapenko (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/vitaly_potapenko/index.html), Wright State


</TD><TD>Cleveland


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>13.


</TD><TD>Kobe Bryant (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/index.html), Lower Merion HS (Pa.)


</TD><TD>Charlotte


</TD></TR><TR><TD>14.


</TD><TD>Predrag Stojakovic (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/predrag_stojakovic/index.html), Serbia & Montenegro


</TD><TD>Sacramento


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>15.


</TD><TD>Steve Nash (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/index.html), Santa Clara


</TD><TD>Phoenix


</TD></TR><TR><TD>16.


</TD><TD>Tony Delk (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_delk/index.html), Kentucky


</TD><TD>Charlotte


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>17.


</TD><TD>Jermaine O'Neal (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/index.html), Eau Claire HS (S.C.)


</TD><TD>Portland


</TD></TR><TR><TD>18.


</TD><TD>John Wallace (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/john_wallace/index.html), Syracuse


</TD><TD>New York


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>19.


</TD><TD>Walter McCarty (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/walter_mccarty/index.html), Kentucky


</TD><TD>New York


</TD></TR><TR><TD>20.


</TD><TD>Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/zydrunas_ilgauskas/index.html), Lithuania


</TD><TD>Cleveland


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>21.


</TD><TD>Dontae' Jones, Mississippi State


</TD><TD>New York


</TD></TR><TR><TD>22.


</TD><TD>Roy Rogers, Alabama


</TD><TD>Vancouver


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>23.


</TD><TD>Efthimis Rentzias, Greece


</TD><TD>Denver


</TD></TR><TR><TD>24.


</TD><TD>Derek Fisher (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derek_fisher/index.html), Arkansas-Little Rock


</TD><TD>L.A. Lakers


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>25.


</TD><TD>Martin Muursepp, Estonia


</TD><TD>Utah (2)


</TD></TR><TR><TD>26.


</TD><TD>Jerome Williams (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jerome_williams/index.html), Georgetown


</TD><TD>Detroit


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>27.


</TD><TD>Brian Evans, Indiana


</TD><TD>Orlando


</TD></TR><TR><TD>28.


</TD><TD>Priest Lauderdale, Central State


</TD><TD>Atlanta


</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>29.


</TD><TD>Travis Knight, Connecticut


</TD><TD>Chicago


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


This draft is a perfect case for why it's stupid to get too excited about all these big guys that shoot up draftboards every year. Wright, Dampier, Walker, Potapenko, Fuller were guys who were largely selected so highly because of their size. When I hear people talk about all the big guys this year (DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin, Hasheem Thabeet, John Riek, Kosta Koufos, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert) it scares me to think that the Pacers might draft one of these dudes. If we can learn anything from history, it's that 1 of these guys may actually become a star, 2 will become decent starters, a couple more will stick around as journeyman backups, and a couple will be out of the league in a few years. You can say this about every position, but the bust factor seems to be much higher with big guys.

JayRedd
01-30-2008, 01:47 PM
Chicago Bulls

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=left csk="Noah,Joakim">Joakim Noah (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Florida">University of Florida (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=florida)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="49">49</TD><TD align=left csk="Gray,Aaron">Aaron Gray (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grayaa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Pittsburgh">University of Pittsburgh (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=pitt)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="51">51</TD><TD align=left csk="Curry,JamesOn">JamesOn Curry</TD><TD align=left csk="Oklahoma State University">Oklahoma State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=okstate)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=left csk="Aldridge,LaMarcus">LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Texas at Austin">University of Texas at Austin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=texas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=left csk="Carney,Rodney">Rodney Carney (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carnero01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Memphis">University of Memphis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=memphis)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=left csk="Gordon,Ben">Ben Gordon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordobe01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="31">31</TD><TD align=left csk="Vroman,Jackson">Jackson Vroman (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/vromaja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Iowa State University">Iowa State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=iowast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="9">9</TD><TD align=right csk="38">38</TD><TD align=left csk="Duhon,Chris">Chris Duhon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duhonch01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=left csk="Hinrich,Kirk">Kirk Hinrich (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hinriki01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=right csk="36">36</TD><TD align=left csk="Austin,Mario">Mario Austin</TD><TD align=left csk="Mississippi State University">Mississippi State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=missst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="45">45</TD><TD align=left csk="Bonner,Matt">Matt Bonner (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Florida">University of Florida (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=florida)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Smith,Tommy">Tommy Smith</TD><TD align=left csk="Arizona State University">Arizona State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arizonast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Jay">Jay Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willija03.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Mason,Roger">Roger Mason (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/masonro01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Virginia">University of Virginia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=virginia)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="15">15</TD><TD align=right csk="43">43</TD><TD align=left csk="Baxter,Lonny">Lonny Baxter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/baxtelo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Maryland">University of Maryland (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=maryland)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=left csk="Curry,Eddy">Eddy Curry (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryed01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Hassell,Trenton">Trenton Hassell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hassetr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Austin Peay State University">Austin Peay State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=austinpeay)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="44">44</TD><TD align=left csk="Lampley,Sean">Sean Lampley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lamplse01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of California">University of California (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=california)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=left csk="Fizer,Marcus">Marcus Fizer (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fizerma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Iowa State University">Iowa State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=iowast)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=left csk="Crawford,Jamal">Jamal Crawford (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Michigan">University of Michigan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michigan)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=right csk="24">24</TD><TD align=left csk="Bagaric,Dalibor">Dalibor Bagaric (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bagarda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=right csk="32">32</TD><TD align=left csk="Guyton,A.J.">A.J. Guyton (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/guytoaj01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Indiana University">Indiana University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=indiana)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="33">33</TD><TD align=left csk="Voskuhl,Jake">Jake Voskuhl (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/voskuja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=right csk="34">34</TD><TD align=left csk="El-Amin,Khalid">Khalid El-Amin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/el-amkh01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=left csk="Brand,Elton">Elton Brand (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brandel01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=left csk="Artest,Ron">Ron Artest (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="St. John's University">St. John's University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stjohns)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="3">3</TD><TD align=right csk="32">32</TD><TD align=left csk="Ruffin,Michael">Michael Ruffin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ruffimi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Tulsa">University of Tulsa (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=tulsa)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="49">49</TD><TD align=left csk="Ketner,Lari">Lari Ketner (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/ketnela01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Massachusetts Amherst">University of Massachusetts Amherst (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=umass)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=left csk="Benjamin,Corey">Corey Benjamin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/benjaco01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Oregon State University">Oregon State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=oregonst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="30">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=right csk="34">34</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Shammond">Shammond Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willish01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of North Carolina">University of North Carolina (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=unc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="31">1998</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1998.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="58">58</TD><TD align=left csk="Baston,Maceo">Maceo Baston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bastoma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Michigan">University of Michigan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michigan)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="32">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=left csk="Booth,Keith">Keith Booth (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boothke01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Maryland">University of Maryland (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=maryland)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="33">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="57">57</TD><TD align=left csk="Duenas,Roberto">Roberto Duenas</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="34">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Knight,Travis">Travis Knight (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/knightr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Connecticut">University of Connecticut (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=uconn)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="35">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=right csk="20">20</TD><TD align=left csk="Caffey,Jason">Jason Caffey (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/caffeja01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Alabama">University of Alabama (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=alabama)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="36">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="31">31</TD><TD align=left csk="Tarlac,Dragan">Dragan Tarlac (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tarladr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="37">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Simpkins,Dickey">Dickey Simpkins (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simpkdi01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Providence College">Providence College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=providence)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="38">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=right csk="49">49</TD><TD align=left csk="Bruton,Kris">Kris Bruton</TD><TD align=left csk="Benedict College">Benedict College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=benedict)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="39">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=left csk="Blount,Corie">Corie Blount (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blounco01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Cincinnati">University of Cincinnati (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=cincy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="40">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="41">41</TD><TD align=left csk="Reed,Anthony">Anthony Reed</TD><TD align=left csk="Tulane University">Tulane University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=tulane)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="41">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=left csk="Houston,Byron">Byron Houston (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/houstby01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Oklahoma State University">Oklahoma State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=okstate)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="42">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD align=right csk="33">33</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Corey">Corey Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willico01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Oklahoma State University">Oklahoma State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=okstate)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="43">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="39">39</TD><TD align=left csk="Green,Litterial">Litterial Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenli01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Georgia">University of Georgia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgia)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="44">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Steigenga,Matt">Matt Steigenga (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/steigma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Michigan State University">Michigan State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michiganst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="45">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Randall,Mark">Mark Randall (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randama01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Kansas">University of Kansas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=kansas)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffa" onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="46">1990</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="29">29</TD><TD align=left csk="Kukoc,Toni">Toni Kukoc (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kukocto01.html)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Portland Trailblazers

<TABLE class="sortable stats_table" id=draft><THEAD><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="0" table_number="1">Year</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="1" table_number="1">Lg</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="2" table_number="1">Round</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="3" table_number="1">Pick</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=right sorttable_columnindex="4" table_number="1">Overall</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="5" table_number="1">Player</TH><TH class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align=left sorttable_columnindex="6" table_number="1">College</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="1">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=left csk="Oden,Greg">Greg Oden</TD><TD align=left csk="Ohio State University">Ohio State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ohiost)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="2">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="7">7</TD><TD align=right csk="37">37</TD><TD align=left csk="McRoberts,Josh">Josh McRoberts (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcrobjo01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Duke University">Duke University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=duke)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="3">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="12">12</TD><TD align=right csk="42">42</TD><TD align=left csk="Byars,Derrick">Derrick Byars</TD><TD align=left csk="Vanderbilt University">Vanderbilt University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=vandy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="4">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Green,Taurean">Taurean Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenta01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Florida">University of Florida (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=florida)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="5">2007</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="53">53</TD><TD align=left csk="Nichols,Demetris">Demetris Nichols (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nichode01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Syracuse University">Syracuse University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=syracuse)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="6">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=left csk="Thomas,Tyrus">Tyrus Thomas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomaty01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Louisiana State University">Louisiana State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=lsu)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="7">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=right csk="30">30</TD><TD align=left csk="Freeland,Joel">Joel Freeland</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="8">2006</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="31">31</TD><TD align=left csk="White,James">James White (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteja02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Cincinnati">University of Cincinnati (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=cincy)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="9">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD align=right csk="6">6</TD><TD align=left csk="Webster,Martell">Martell Webster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/webstma02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="10">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=left csk="Kleiza,Linas">Linas Kleiza (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kleizli01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Missouri">University of Missouri (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=missouri)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="11">2005</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="5">5</TD><TD align=right csk="35">35</TD><TD align=left csk="Sanchez,Ricky">Ricky Sanchez</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="12">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=right csk="13">13</TD><TD align=left csk="Telfair,Sebastian">Sebastian Telfair (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/telfase01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="13">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Monia,Sergei">Sergei Monia (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moniase01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="14">2004</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2004.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Seung-Jin,Ha">Ha Seung-Jin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/seungha01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="15">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=left csk="Outlaw,Travis">Travis Outlaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/outlatr01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="16">2003</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2003.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="25">25</TD><TD align=right csk="54">54</TD><TD align=left csk="Sinanovic,Nedzad">Nedzad Sinanovic</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="17">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Woods,Qyntel">Qyntel Woods (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/woodsqy01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Northeast Mississippi Community College">Northeast Mississippi Community College (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=nemisscc)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="18">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="14">14</TD><TD align=right csk="42">42</TD><TD align=left csk="Jennings,Jason">Jason Jennings</TD><TD align=left csk="Arkansas State University">Arkansas State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=arkansasst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="19">2002</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="22">22</TD><TD align=right csk="50">50</TD><TD align=left csk="Kammerichs,Federico">Federico Kammerichs</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="20">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=left csk="Randolph,Zach">Zach Randolph (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randoza01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Michigan State University">Michigan State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michiganst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="21">2001</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="49">49</TD><TD align=left csk="Boumtje Boumtje,Ruben">Ruben Boumtje Boumtje (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boumtru01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Georgetown University">Georgetown University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=georgetown)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="22">2000</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=right csk="28">28</TD><TD align=left csk="Barkley,Erick">Erick Barkley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barkler01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="St. John's University">St. John's University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stjohns)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="23">1999</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1999.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="23">23</TD><TD align=right csk="52">52</TD><TD align=left csk="Bergersen,Roberto">Roberto Bergersen</TD><TD align=left csk="Boise State University">Boise State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=boisest)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="24">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=right csk="18">18</TD><TD align=left csk="Anstey,Chris">Chris Anstey (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anstech01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="25">1997</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1997.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="19">19</TD><TD align=right csk="47">47</TD><TD align=left csk="Williams,Alvin">Alvin Williams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willial02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Villanova University">Villanova University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=villanova)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="26">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=left csk="O'Neal,Jermaine">Jermaine O'Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealje01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Zzz"></TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="27">1996</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1996.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="46">46</TD><TD align=left csk="Brown,Marcus">Marcus Brown (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownma01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Murray State University">Murray State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=murrayst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="28">1995</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1995.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=right csk="8">8</TD><TD align=left csk="Respert,Shawn">Shawn Respert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/respesh01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Michigan State University">Michigan State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=michiganst)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="29">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=right csk="17">17</TD><TD align=left csk="McKie,Aaron">Aaron McKie (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckieaa01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Temple University">Temple University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=temple)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="30">1994</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1994.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="16">16</TD><TD align=right csk="43">43</TD><TD align=left csk="Scott,Shawnelle">Shawnelle Scott (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/scottsh01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="St. John's University">St. John's University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=stjohns)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="31">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=left csk="Robinson,James">James Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinja02.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="University of Alabama">University of Alabama (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=alabama)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="32">1993</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1993.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="21">21</TD><TD align=right csk="48">48</TD><TD align=left csk="Thompson,Kevin">Kevin Thompson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompke01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="North Carolina State University">North Carolina State University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=ncstate)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="33">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="1">1</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=right csk="26">26</TD><TD align=left csk="Johnson,Dave">Dave Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsda01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Syracuse University">Syracuse University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=syracuse)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="34">1992</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="4">4</TD><TD align=right csk="31">31</TD><TD align=left csk="Smith,Reggie">Reggie Smith (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithre01.html)</TD><TD align=left csk="Texas Christian University">Texas Christian University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=txchrist)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=right csk="35">1991</TD><TD align=left>NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1991.html)</TD><TD align=right csk="2">2</TD><TD align=right csk="27">27</TD><TD align=right csk="54">54</TD><TD align=left csk="Kennedy,Marcus">Marcus Kennedy</TD><TD align=left csk="Eastern Michigan University">Eastern Michigan University (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/draft.cgi?college=emichigan)</TD></TR><TR class="" onmouseover=hl(this); 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JayRedd
01-30-2008, 01:50 PM
And here's Phoenix, LAL, Sacto and Motown (I'm done with cut and paste)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/draft.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/draft.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/draft.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/draft.html

Naptown_Seth
01-30-2008, 02:11 PM
Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.Williams is one of my all-time fave PGs and I hated him being moved FOR Pooh. However the deal for Jax was a homerum. Pooh was a disaster, Chuck was about to fall off the table, and while Sealy was decent he certainly wasn't a big difference maker. Jax was, he was a monster impact player.

And by the time things got going for Jax here Michael was hitting the end of the road due to injury unfortunately. Plus it's not like the Pacers didn't get their value out of the Chuck draft pick. ROY, seat filler, star power to draw national attention, and then gone just when Reggie was taking over that role anyway (and doing it better).



I'm sure no one believes it but I have friend backing on this so it's not just BS (the guy Gnome/Mal met last night in fact). I was livid when they passed on Steve Nash. That was the one guy I felt great about in that draft and really wanted them to get. I haven't made tons of great draft calls, but that was one of them. ;)

And in fairness CHARLOTTE traded Kobe (along with all those teams passing on him) and Phoenix traded Nash and then Dallas let him walk as a FA. So even the teams that drafted those players didn't appreciate their full value at the time.

Not only that, but Portland also undervalued JO and Indiana ended up getting the best of his years anyway. So really Sacto was one of the few teams that drafted smart, that got their target AND kept him long enough to enjoy his full potential.

Hell, Dampier got Indy Mullin just in time to make a serious run at the title and he had quite an impact in those few seasons.



82games.com has someplace (don't have the URL myself) an article that detailed the chance of success for a draft pick by PLAYING position and draft position. Effectively it said what has already been said here, bigs are more likely to bust and once you get outside of the top 10 you have a pretty poor chance at an impact player. This is one reason I'm anti-tank, at least as some "solution".

Now when you just have nothing going for you then I do think you take what you can get, and that includes a better draft pick. My problem is people that think you can RELY on the draft to fix your team. You can't. It's nuts.

As for the bigs being mentioned I think Indy getting Hibbert or Thabeet around 12-14 would be a fair pick. Both MIGHT have decent impacts but both clearly have big holes in their game too that might hold them back. No one will be shocked if Rose, Gordon, and Mayo all end up better than those guys, but then they should also be picked higher than them anyway. I'm not as sold that Collison or Augustin are some sure shots in the mid-teens.

Shade
01-30-2008, 02:14 PM
Wow, the Bulls right now should have a starting line-up of:

Brand
Aldridge
Artest
Crawford
Hinrich

Shade
01-30-2008, 02:21 PM
Our roster right now could have been:

Dampier/Foster/Brezec/Harrison/Lorbek
Harrington/Croshere/DDavis
Granger/Williams
JJones/FJones/JWhite
Tinsley/Brewer

That would be about a 15-20 win team right there. Yikes. :eek:

RamBo_Lamar
01-30-2008, 02:25 PM
My vote for highest impact player drafted by the Pacers since 1990 would
have to be Dale Davis - easily.

He brought a toughness and interior presence never before seen on an NBA
Pacers team.

He was exactly what they had been sorely needing for a very long time, and
was a key contributor to the Pacers being one of the best teams of the '90s.

jeffg-body
01-30-2008, 02:43 PM
I'd have to agree DD was a great pick, but when you're drafting in the 20's every year you're not going to have much luck drafting an impact player.

The jury is still out on Danny and Shawne. Danny has improved every year, and remember Shawne would be a junior right now in college.



:D

idioteque
01-30-2008, 04:03 PM
Then why did they trade up in the draft for Foster? and trade away a pick for two years down the road? Not questioning you just that thought.

Probably saw Foster as an eventual replacement for Smits, who retired after that season.

And I got Cummings and Piatkowski mixed up in my first post.

OnlyPacersLeft
01-30-2008, 04:12 PM
exactly what i was trying to point out in another thread...all these people want to tank and get a high draft pick and blah blah blah...

sorry but
Antonio Davis
Dale Davis
(Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
Fred Hoiberg
Travis Best
Erick Dampier
Austin Croshere
Al Harrington
Primoz Brezec
Danny Granger

don't seem like the answer to this franchise...of course...lets keep hoping!

Cactus Jax
01-30-2008, 04:16 PM
I grow sick of the Granger hate, he's averaging 17.5 ppg, in whats now an offense based around him and Mike, shoots a respectable 45% from the floor and 38% from 3 range, and 82% from the line, while guarding usually the team's top offensive force, and grabbing 6 boards a game, and missing 4 games in his career.

In terms of the Pacers they've drafted quite well, sure there's picks they could have done better with, but they've done very well with later picks, which either were on the Pacers or other teams.

I'll go a step further and post what players were picked 1 spot ahead of us.

1990 -- Round 2, Pick 44 -- Milwaukee Bucks take Steve Henson
1991 -- Round 1, Pick 12 -- New York Knicks take Greg Anthony
1991 -- Round 2, Pick 40 -- Detroit Pistons take Doug Overton
1992 -- Round 1, Pick 13 -- Denver Nuggets take Bryant Stith
1993 -- Round 1, Pick 13 -- LA Clippers take Terry Dehere
1993 -- Round 2, Pick 38 -- Washington Bullets take Conrad McRae
1993 -- Round 2, Pick 50 -- Houston Rockets take Marcelo Nicola
1994 -- Round 1, Pick 14 -- New Jersey Nets take Yinka Dare
1994 -- Round 2, Pick 40 -- Miami Heat take Jeff Webster
1994 -- Round 2, Pick 43 -- Portland Trailblazers take Shawnelle Scott
1995 -- Round 1, Pick 22 -- Charlotte Hornets take George Zidek
1995 -- Round 2, Pick 51 -- Sacramento Kings take Dejan Bodiroga
1996 -- Round 1, Pick 9 -- Dallas Mavericks take Samaki Walker
1996 -- Round 2, Pick 51 -- Vancouver Grizzlies take Chris Robinson
1997 -- Round 1, Pick 11 -- Sacramento Kings take Oliver Saint-Jean
1998 -- Round 1, Pick 24 -- San Antonio Spurs take Felipe Lopez
1999 -- Round 1, Pick 25 -- Miami Heat take Tim James
2000 -- Round 1, Pick 26 -- Denver Nuggets take Mamadou N'Diaye
2000 -- Round 2, Pick 55 -- Golden State Warriors take Chris Porter
2001 -- Round 2, Pick 40 -- Seattle Supersonics take Earl Watson
2002 -- Round 1, Pick 13 -- Milwaukee Bucks take Marcus Haislip
2003 -- Round 2, Pick 48 -- New Orleans Hornets take James Lang
2004 -- Round 1, Pick 28 -- San Antonio Spurs take Beno Udrih
2004 -- Round 2, Pick 59 -- Minnesota Timberwolves take Blake Stepp
2005 -- Round 1, Pick 16 -- Toronto Raptors take Joey Graham
2005 -- Round 2, Pick 45 -- Philadelphia 76ers take Louis Williams
2006 -- Round 1, Pick 16 -- Chicago Bulls take Rodney Carney
2006 -- Round 2, Pick 44 -- Orlando Magic take Lior Eliyahu

Shade
01-30-2008, 04:17 PM
exactly what i was trying to point out in another thread...all these people want to tank and get a high draft pick and blah blah blah...

sorry but
Antonio Davis
Dale Davis
(Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
Fred Hoiberg
Travis Best
Erick Dampier
Austin Croshere
Al Harrington
Primoz Brezec
Danny Granger

don't seem like the answer to this franchise...of course...lets keep hoping!

How many of those were Top 10 picks?

If we finish middle-of-the-pack again next season, we're going to get a pick on par with the players you've posted. How does that make us any better down the line? Are you content with being mediocre forever?

MyFavMartin
01-30-2008, 04:34 PM
I'd have to agree DD was a great pick, but when you're drafting in the 20's every year you're not going to have much luck drafting an impact player.

The jury is still out on Danny and Shawne. Danny has improved every year, and remember Shawne would be a junior right now in college.



:D

It's interesting to compare Shawne's current year stats to Danny's first year:

Pacer Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT%
SW 07-08 IND 39 2 16.1 0.462 0.349 0.694
DG 05-06 IND 78 17 22.6 0.462 0.323 0.777


Pacer OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
SW 0.9 1.9 2.8 0.9 0.5 0.3 1.15 2.30 7.3
DG 1.7 3.2 4.9 1.2 0.7 0.8 1.03 2.70 7.5

Very similar numbers. Danny was getting more minutes, but when corrected for this, the major difference is rebounds - Danny hits the boards much harder.

In any case, if Shawne progresses as Danny has, this will be good. But this does not address the Pacers gluttony of SFs.

Shawne Williams for Delonte West works, though if Shawne develops the way he's going, we might get more for him later down the road or he'd be more valuable as a 6th man, which we seem to have a surplus of with Daniels, Diogu, and Foster/Murphy.

idioteque
01-30-2008, 05:53 PM
exactly what i was trying to point out in another thread...all these people want to tank and get a high draft pick and blah blah blah...

sorry but
Antonio Davis
Dale Davis
(Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
Fred Hoiberg
Travis Best
Erick Dampier
Austin Croshere
Al Harrington
Primoz Brezec
Danny Granger

don't seem like the answer to this franchise...of course...lets keep hoping!

Those picks were all in the teens.

Say we get the 5th pick in the draft this year, that is a decent possibility if we keep losing.

How do you feel about getting a guy like Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, or even Dwayne Wade? All are recent #5 picks. Then again, so are Bender and Nikoloz Tskititzvili to be fair, but we've got enough "average" players so I'm willing to take a gamble on getting a superstar.

Bball
01-30-2008, 07:16 PM
My vote for highest impact player drafted by the Pacers since 1990 would
have to be Dale Davis - easily.

He brought a toughness and interior presence never before seen on an NBA
Pacers team.

He was exactly what they had been sorely needing for a very long time, and
was a key contributor to the Pacers being one of the best teams of the '90s.

...And exactly what the Pacers have lacked since they traded him... (altho even at 52 years old he was still able to bring some of that back when the Pacers signed him a couple of years back and he and Reggie helped to save the season).

-Bball

Bball
01-30-2008, 07:19 PM
Those picks were all in the teens.

Say we get the 5th pick in the draft this year, that is a decent possibility if we keep losing.

How do you feel about getting a guy like Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, or even Dwayne Wade? All are recent #5 picks. Then again, so are Bender and Nikoloz Tskititzvili to be fair, but we've got enough "average" players so I'm willing to take a gamble on getting a superstar.

Walsh (apparently) loves 7' project centers and also long and lean tweeners (players that can play SG/SF or even SG/SF/PF but are generally quite slow at SG, generally slow at SF, and totally too skinny and prefers to stay away from contact to be an effective PF). If we get a #5 pick, look for us to spend it on one of the above. Let's not forget, Bender was a #5 pick.



-Bball

Eindar
01-30-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm tired of the Bender hate. Yes, he came along slowly. Yes, he never realized his potential. Yes, that draft was loaded.

But the guy was forced to retire at the same age Danny Granger is RIGHT NOW. And for a couple years prior to that, his knees didn't allow him to play the way he wanted to. Be angry at the front office for covering up the severity of those injuries (Microfracture surgery on both knees) and extending him at the pay they did (although, again, 4 years, not 7), but it's despicable to beat a dead, retired horse who doesn't deserve your scorn.

I'd like to point that that last year, there was a game against the Spurs, and despite those bad knees, he dominated Bowen to the point he was commanding a double team from Duncan, and was still scoring at will. Jonathan Bender had the potential to be a force of nature on the level of Kevin Garnett or Shawn Kemp. The only thing that stopped him was a steep learning curve and two horrible knees.

I find it interesting that Len Bias OD'ed on cocaine, and he's a sad story. Bender tries his best and is forced to choose between retiring or living his 30s-death in a wheelchair, and some of you act like you'd spit on him if you saw him. It's despicable.

As for the Pacers themselves, they've done a good job drafting considering where they've been picking. The one thing I can't fault this franchise about is their drafting. The truth is that it's very hard to pick a true impact player where we've been picking for the last 15 years.

It's time to go find that impact player.

Will Galen
01-30-2008, 07:54 PM
I've always thought Walsh has been good at making draft picks. Bird seems to have the MO of making a good first round pick and then taking a flier on someone from Europe in the second round, such as Lorbek and Stanko. I like it that he's doing this.

I also like that Bird goes after players he really likes. He won a four team tug of war for Saras. He tried really hard to get Chicago's Gordon. (Harrington for the 5th pick if I remember right) He liked James White and got him. (He was also smart enough to cut his loses) He tried to get Bynum for JO. I still believe Kevin Martin was part of the Sacramento trade until Artest acted up wanting to go to LA.

Yes I know none of those have worked out in our favor, but I still like what Bird is doing. Look at all the players that have been in a Pacers uniform since the brawl. There's been a big turnover. It does appear that he finally found a keeper in Rush, but that could turn on him too since Rush will be a free agent. Thus my only question about Bird is he going to be able to keep players once we get them?

I do think that if we dropped all the way to 5th pick in the draft, Bird would somehow turn that pick into Gordon or Rose. Our luck though if we finished with the fifth worst record someone like the Knick's would vault over us by winning the lottery.

One more thought. Does anyone else thing Pat Riley is tanking on purpose? I'm thinking he wants another high draft pick like he got with Wade. A center to replace Shag?

Bball
01-30-2008, 07:58 PM
I'm tired of the Bender hate. Yes, he came along slowly. Yes, he never realized his potential. Yes, that draft was loaded.

But the guy was forced to retire at the same age Danny Granger is RIGHT NOW. And for a couple years prior to that, his knees didn't allow him to play the way he wanted to. Be angry at the front office for covering up the severity of those injuries (Microfracture surgery on both knees) and extending him at the pay they did (although, again, 4 years, not 7), but it's despicable to beat a dead, retired horse who doesn't deserve your scorn.

I'd like to point that that last year, there was a game against the Spurs, and despite those bad knees, he dominated Bowen to the point he was commanding a double team from Duncan, and was still scoring at will. Jonathan Bender had the potential to be a force of nature on the level of Kevin Garnett or Shawn Kemp. The only thing that stopped him was a steep learning curve and two horrible knees.

I find it interesting that Len Bias OD'ed on cocaine, and he's a sad story. Bender tries his best and is forced to choose between retiring or living his 30s-death in a wheelchair, and some of you act like you'd spit on him if you saw him. It's despicable.

As for the Pacers themselves, they've done a good job drafting considering where they've been picking. The one thing I can't fault this franchise about is their drafting. The truth is that it's very hard to pick a true impact player where we've been picking for the last 15 years.

It's time to go find that impact player.

Bender was a bust. There's nothing more to say there.

My problem is not with Bender, it is with management wasting a player AND a 5th pick in a loaded draft on a project when we didn't need a project (shouldn't have taken Al the year before if they wanted to risk the '99 pick on a (too) raw project with bad knees coming out of HS).

-Bball

Will Galen
01-30-2008, 08:00 PM
Bender was a bust. There's nothing more to say.

-Bball

Yes he was, but you'll never get some of us to think he was a bad pick.

Eindar
01-30-2008, 08:00 PM
Bender was a bust. There's nothing more to say.

-Bball

There's plenty more to say, but nothing that won't get me banned.

Bball
01-30-2008, 08:04 PM
Yes he was, but you'll never get some of us to think he was a bad pick.

That's OK... but it doesn't hurt to try... ;)

-Bball

grace
01-30-2008, 08:27 PM
Yes he was, but you'll never get some of us to think he was a bad pick.


That's OK... but it doesn't hurt to try... ;)

-Bball


O.K., I'll try. Bender is Mo Pete's cousin. Had Bender's knees been the least bit adequate I'm convinced Jonathan would have been an excellent pick.

Bball
01-30-2008, 09:19 PM
O.K., I'll try. Bender is Mo Pete's cousin. Had Bender's knees been the least bit adequate I'm convinced Jonathan would have been an excellent pick.

Ok... You've all browbeat me into this admission:
Had Bender been healthy, motivated, and a great basketball player then he would've been a nice player for the Pacers...

:p

-Bball

Kofi
01-30-2008, 09:25 PM
It's irrelevant. First of all, we've had very few lottery picks since then. Second of all, we have a completely different GM now.

BlueNGold
01-30-2008, 10:05 PM
It's irrelevant. First of all, we've had very few lottery picks since then. Second of all, we have a completely different GM now.

Yes, when you're in the playoffs for over a decade, picks get pretty thin. That shouldn't be a problem for the next decade...

BTW, the best thing we can do as a franchise is reposition in preparation for 3 years from now when the fat contracts start dropping off. It's time to take the bitter medicine if you want to feel any better...

Starting points would be to determine who we want to hang onto. I do think a player like Granger, who you can rely on being a good citizen and a good player, is one you hang onto. Perhaps you can get another asset for him, but IMO, he's at least a decent starting SF for a good team. I say keep him and spin off whoever else you can to grab some picks and young talent wherever possible. The only difficult thing about all of this will be the losses for the next 2 or 3 years. After that, things will bottom out. If done properly, we will not become the worst team in the league.