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OakMoses
01-28-2008, 04:51 PM
If you could pick one non-superstar NBA player for the Pacers to add to their roster, who would it be and why?

idioteque
01-28-2008, 04:53 PM
Andrew Bynum. He'll be a superstar soon enough.

Speed
01-28-2008, 04:54 PM
Who's the best non superstar point guard in the league? Or who makes guys around them better.

Otherwise, I'd say Shane Battier, if it wasn't the one position they already have filled. I think Battier is the McKey of the league right now.

Thats off the top of my head, let me think.

Speed
01-28-2008, 04:55 PM
Andrew Bynum. He'll be a superstar soon enough.


Oh, I wasn't thinking like this, good point.

D23
01-28-2008, 04:56 PM
That's a tough one. The first player that came to mind for me is Deron Williams. I don't think he's quite a superstar (yet) so I guess he's eligible for discussion.

idioteque
01-28-2008, 04:59 PM
I would say Deron Williams is fair game.

Just for fun, the player I'd least want to have is Darius Miles. He's paid more than Tinsley, is more of a problem child, and is injured more often than JO.

As our problems with JO and Tinsley continue to compound, I say to myself "at least we don't have Darius Miles."

Unclebuck
01-28-2008, 05:02 PM
Point guard is the most important position, so I would want Paul or Williams. or are they superstars

OakMoses
01-28-2008, 05:04 PM
That's a tough one. The first player that came to mind for me is Deron Williams. I don't think he's quite a superstar (yet) so I guess he's eligible for discussion.

I'd probably take Deron Williams out of the discussion. I probably should have said nonstar rather than nonsuperstar.

Bynum is definitely one that I'd consider.

My official pick would be Jose Calderon. He is above average at every traditional PG skill. He's a good shooter (51% FG, 43% 3pt), a great passer (8.6 apg), makes good decisions (1.6 TOs), and is a very solid perimeter defender (1.1 stl, only 1.7 fouls/game). He's also only 26 years old and is very rarely injured.

We've all seen how well this team can play when Tinsley is being good Jamaal. I think Calderon brings that level of PG production to the floor almost every night. He also does it while committing fewer turnovers and playing strong defense.

idioteque
01-28-2008, 05:08 PM
The reason I am saying Bynum is because if he pans out (and he is already an important part of the LA success this season) he could be one of those kinds of centers that only comes around a few times every 10 or so years.

Players like Caledron are nice, but I think we could easily find a PG that could fit our system in the draft or free agency, those kinds of players are out there. Centers with the ability to play the game like Bynum may have are much harder to find.

Roaming Gnome
01-28-2008, 05:11 PM
Yeah, Calderon is very high on my non star wish list. Too bad that he is Toronto's future at the position.

Trader Joe
01-28-2008, 05:13 PM
Greg Oden.

ajbry
01-28-2008, 05:17 PM
Jose Calderon is terrible defensively, he's as inept as Tinsley if not worse.

I'd take someone like David West.

Indianapolis_girly
01-28-2008, 05:17 PM
Chris Paul.
Great player on and off the court.

RamBo_Lamar
01-28-2008, 05:25 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Leandro Barbosa in a Pacers uniform due to his extreme athleticism.

idioteque
01-28-2008, 05:34 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Leandro Barbosa in a Pacers uniform due to his extreme athleticism.

C'mon, extreme athleticism is so last season!

We're a "shooting" team now! :p

JayRedd
01-28-2008, 05:41 PM
Either Chris Paul or Jerome James. Toss up.

Since86
01-28-2008, 05:52 PM
C'mon, extreme athleticism is so last season!

We're a "shooting" team now! :p

Good thing he was in a percentage point of JO's FG% from behind the 3pt line last year then huh? ;)

I would give anyone outside of Danny to get Barbosa. I mean when you score 18pts a game coming off the bench?

EDIT: Just to make sure, I knew you were joking with your comments. I was just agreeing on he's the one I would want.

MyFavMartin
01-28-2008, 06:01 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Leandro Barbosa in a Pacers uniform due to his extreme athleticism.

I like your thinking. When pondering my own answer, I was trying to think of a SG who can create, penetrate, and draws a lot of fouls and gets to the FT line. My first thought was Corey Maggette.

I didn't realize that Barbosa was only 6'3".

OakMoses
01-28-2008, 06:03 PM
Jose Calderon is terrible defensively, he's as inept as Tinsley if not worse.

I'd take someone like David West.

Defense is hard to measure with numbers, but I'd urge you to look at how opposing PG's have performed against Toronto with Calderon as the starter. You'll see that they don't all have monster games like they do against us.

Los Angeles
01-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Call me crazy what with the spine issue, but I really really love TJ Ford. and I'm listing him because his situation means that he really could be picked up for a bargain.

Ownagedood
01-28-2008, 06:09 PM
GINOBLI!!! Manu is a freakin stud..lol, but he just get's over shadowed by his teamates.. 19 PPG off the bench, in the West.

But if we are talking much lower profile.. I would say someone like Gerald Green, Gerald Wallace, Leandro Barbosa, ANDREW BYNUM(of course).

maragin
01-28-2008, 07:22 PM
I find it difficult to answer, partially because it is subjective who is a superstar. That said, I'll make it easier on myself... only guys on other benches:

PG - Sergio Rodriguez (Trailblazers)
SG - Leandro Barbosa (Suns)
SF - Matt Harpring (Jazz)
PF - David Lee (Knicks)
C - Ronny Turiaf (Lakers)


I left off Manu Ginobili, because to me he's a starter who's pre-game ritual involves sitting on the bench for a while at the start of each game. I suppose it's easier to say he's a "finisher".

ajbry
01-28-2008, 07:25 PM
Defense is hard to measure with numbers, but I'd urge you to look at how opposing PG's have performed against Toronto with Calderon as the starter. You'll see that they don't all have monster games like they do against us.

Numbers are useless in determining someone's defensive skill. Calderon just doesn't have it defensively and most Raptors fans will agree - he takes too many risks, uses bad technique, and simply doesn't have a good defensive mind (whether it's individual or team).

And CP3 is a definite superstar, to all of y'all mentioning him.

ABADays
01-28-2008, 07:48 PM
Chris Paul without question.

jeffg-body
01-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Barbosa or G. Green is my choice, maybe Delonte West.

Jose Slaughter
01-28-2008, 08:35 PM
I'll add Spencer Hawes to the list

wooolus
01-28-2008, 09:21 PM
Greg Oden

skyfire
01-28-2008, 09:30 PM
I think if they are in the top 5 at their position they can definitely be considered a star. So Williams and Paul would surely be off the list.

I'd go further and say anyone in the top ~42 of Bill Simmon's trade value (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071218) article would be ineligible for this question.

idioteque
01-28-2008, 09:33 PM
I find it difficult to answer, partially because it is subjective who is a superstar. That said, I'll make it easier on myself... only guys on other benches:

PG - Sergio Rodriguez (Trailblazers)
SG - Leandro Barbosa (Suns)
SF - Matt Harpring (Jazz)
PF - David Lee (Knicks)
C - Ronny Turiaf (Lakers)


I left off Manu Ginobili, because to me he's a starter who's pre-game ritual involves sitting on the bench for a while at the start of each game. I suppose it's easier to say he's a "finisher".

Turiaf is a great spark off the bench, one of my favorite non-Pacers. If I were building a team with salary cap restrictions, I'd love to have him as my second or third guy off the bench. He reminds me of Foster with a bit better offense.

BlueNGold
01-28-2008, 09:37 PM
Kevin Durant.

Not really sure where to draw the fuzzy superstar label, but as a rookie he arguably has not attained that.

If he stays healthy, he will be an offensive machine if he continues to develop. There really is no limit for him.

scott55
01-28-2008, 09:49 PM
Hedo Turkoglu. 27 points and buzzer-beater 3 to beat the celtics..ill take it. Also hes a great shooter.

Another would be Mehmet Okur.

Major Cold
01-28-2008, 11:29 PM
IMO Paul, Williams, West, and KD are stars. They can't be apart of this discussion.

Calderon is nice. Lowry would be great. I really like Stuckey to.

But I really would like to see any pg out of Portland.

Naptown_Seth
01-28-2008, 11:38 PM
I realize he's older and not part of a rebuild, but to get things straightened out now I'd add Andre Miller (depending on his star status for this discussion). Solid defender, efficient with the ball, doesn't demand shots but can score when needed.

Kofi
01-28-2008, 11:43 PM
Point guard is the most important position, so I would want Paul or Williams. or are they superstars

Big men are more important than point guards. Always have been, always will be.

Kofi
01-28-2008, 11:45 PM
Chris Paul's a superstar in my book.

I'd take Andrew Bynum without a seconds hesitation.

BlueNGold
01-28-2008, 11:50 PM
Kinda like Al Horford. Jeff Green is good too. Neither of those guys are anywhere close to being superstars but are locks for being good pro's.

Pacers4Life
01-29-2008, 12:24 AM
kirk hinrich, i love the way he plays

tora tora
01-29-2008, 12:28 AM
Either Gerald Wallace or Josh Smith

Dece
01-29-2008, 12:31 AM
We need toughness more than anything else, the current Pacers squad has 0 fight, and only Foster and Tinsley (some nights) have any heart.

I'd take Tyson Chandler. (or Stephen Jackson *cringe*)

themayhem87
01-29-2008, 12:34 AM
kevin martin

themayhem87
01-29-2008, 12:37 AM
david west is also an excellent pick, neither he or martin are stars but totally deserve some recognition. both are outstanding

pwee31
01-29-2008, 12:41 AM
I consider Deron Williams and Chris Paul stars.

I'd have to go with either Hinrich or Monta Ellis

!Pacers-Fan!
01-29-2008, 12:41 AM
#7 - Brandon Roy
Portland Trail Blazers
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OakMoses
01-29-2008, 12:04 PM
Big men are more important than point guards. Always have been, always will be.

I couldn't disagree with you more. A team doesn't need a dominant true PG to be successful in today's NBA, but they've got to at least have a very good ball-handling 2 guard (a la Wade, Kobe, LeBron, etc.)

Dwight Howard is, or soon will be the best big guy in the NBA, but the Magic will never win a championship with the backcourt they've got.

LG33
01-29-2008, 12:09 PM
Andris Biedrins, Antonio Daniels, and Caron Butler (I'm overlooking the fact that the guy should be an MVP candidate).

naptownmenace
01-29-2008, 01:33 PM
In no particular order:

Delonte West - Something about him reminds me of Chauncey Billups at this stage of his career.

Jose Calderon - It's already been said.

Al Jefferson - Not sure if he qualifies but this guy is 3 kinds of nasty and he's money in the paint!

Emeka Okafor - I'd love to get him on this Pacers squad. He's a guy that they never run plays for but he still scores about 16 ppg with good defense and rebounding.

Wu-Gambino
01-29-2008, 04:39 PM
Is Joe Johnson a superstar? If not, I'd kill for him.

tdubb03
01-29-2008, 04:50 PM
Scot Pollard

At least we'd have some comic relief.

ThA HoyA
01-30-2008, 12:26 AM
Josh Smith

granger33
01-30-2008, 01:33 AM
Monta Ellis or Chris Paul

tora tora
01-30-2008, 01:44 AM
Delonte West, he can't be happy in Seattle right now.
Willie Green would also be a dope a dope pick up.

BoomBaby31
01-30-2008, 01:47 AM
Eddie Gill for sure.


If he is considered a superstar then I guess I'd take Deron Williams.

Oneal07
01-30-2008, 01:53 AM
Someone who attacks the basket. I'm tired of these jumpers

Haggard
01-30-2008, 08:52 AM
Monta Ellis. will make the team better and fills out he guard position.

David Lee... just a smart basketball player.

Unclebuck
01-30-2008, 10:00 AM
Big men are more important than point guards. Always have been, always will be.

Not to get off on a tangent. But then how come the top 7 point guards last season made it to the final 8 in the playoffs. Ad the only team to make it to the final 8 that didn't have one of the top point gurads had Lebron James who is really a point guard

James Bond
01-30-2008, 05:40 PM
Nightcrawler (x-men)
I just think a mutant could add some spice to our squad.

#31
01-31-2008, 12:04 AM
Chris Paul is a superstar in my book so i have to go with Calderon..

JayRedd
01-31-2008, 11:06 PM
Paul Millsap.

Not sure it's feasible...but I'd give up a lot for the dude.