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BoomBaby33
01-25-2008, 06:48 PM
OK, I figured I would start this thread becasue there is going to be a lot of talk about what we need to do, or even if we need to do anything at all.

We are stuck in neutral, and there's no getting out. The only way yo get this bus (or tank maybe) to moving.

I found this article and thought it could start some interesting discussion between now and February 22nd. There are some interesting names on there, but I dont think LB will pull the trigger this year. We've had 2 consecutive years with big trades in the middle of the season that disrupted the chemistry for better or worse.

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LINK: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6781-NBA-NBA_Trade_Deadline_What_Deals_Make_Sense_-160108

REFERAL:
Alexander Farahmandpour
Bleacher Report.com
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NBA Trade Deadline: What Deals Make Sense?

The trade deadline is approaching and yet again big names are being thrown out. I've even heard Amare's name. Lets' start with the east,

Atlanta- Need more experince and help for Joe, dont be surprised if Smith is dealt
Boston- Need a experinced pg and some help from the bench
Charlotte- Need some more help for the amazing duo of Richardson and Okafor
Chicago- Disaster
Cleveland- Theres Lebron, then the rest of the mediocre team
Detriot- They dont need anyone
Indiana - Time to Package Jermaine and get what you can
Memphis- Retarded team wont ever deal Pau and wont make the playoffs (wanted Bosh, Bargnani, and first-round pick last year for Gasol)
Miami- I guess storms and hurricanes do hit the hottest places in the States look for them to deal Williams
Milwaukee- Everyone except Bogut and Yi can and most likely will be dealt
New Jersey- their owner thinks the big 3 can win it all. In what world does he think they can? Maybe in Nba live 2008
New York- " No Comment"
Orlando- Dont need anyone
Phillidelphia- Iguodala isnt happy, they want to move Miller, this teams in trouble,
Raptors- Look for some big trades to happen because BC isnt scared to do it
Washington- wow they are actaully doing good with out Arenas, i say deal him for someone anyone get the most you can out of him cause once Free agency starts you can say "bye bye"


West
Dallas- they need someone to take them to the next level, and no giving Stackhouse 3 years 21 million isnt the player im talking about. They should make a package of Terry and Diop and offer it to see what they get
Denver- A reliable back up center no more NENE
Golden State- need a allstar center
LA Clippers- Time to rebuild trade Brand and if you can Cassel,
La Lakers- They need a good PF-C...cause Bynum and Fisher are getting it done at the pg-c positions
Minnesota- Rebuilding phase, yet some of their youth could be trade bait
New Orleans- Peja and Mo pete combined 18 million a year, and almost do the same thing SHOOT, one needs to go
Phoenix - no one
Portland- one scary team, and lets see what happens when Oden comes
Sacramento- OK so you got Martin good, now deal Bibby and Artest and rebuild this team or go on a run
San Antonio- Cheerleaders?
Seattle- Rebulding, could get alot for Luke Ridnour
Utah- at the rate they are going half the team might get dealt, its a " dont like the coach your gone approach"

jeffg-body
01-25-2008, 07:27 PM
I think if we do a deadline trade with JO it will have to include one of our young guys. I wouldn't mind a JO and Ike to a team that will give us a descent PG and a expiring contract or two?

JayRedd
01-25-2008, 07:33 PM
Not sure where you got that article but it's one of the least insightful, rational and/or accurate things I've read in some time.

As for the deadline and the Pacers are concerned, however, yeah...we better make at least some sort of a move.

Lord Helmet
01-25-2008, 07:35 PM
I expect nothing from this franchise anymore.

I think we'll stand pat.

Kofi
01-25-2008, 07:50 PM
Hopefully J.O. is healthy enough by the deadline to be tradeable.

What are some teams that could be interested? I've got Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Lakers, New Jersey, New York, and Phoenix.

CableKC
01-25-2008, 08:24 PM
I predict that JONeal will play on Feb 1st. This is a full 2 weeks AFTER the last game that he played and that the main reason why he is playing is to showcase that he is still capable of playing at a high level. He will have a full 2 weeks to show GMs before that trade deadline that he is still healthy.

BoomBaby33
01-25-2008, 08:44 PM
Not sure where you got that article but it's one of the least insightful, rational and/or accurate things I've read in some time.

As for the deadline and the Pacers are concerned, however, yeah...we better make at least some sort of a move.


I was googling the trade deadline, and this was one of the articles. It looked like it could spark some conversation on here. I agree though, the guy who wrote it did not put much thought into it, just some quick speculation i suppose.

If any of his "insight" has any truth to it, then I wouldn't mind us try to do something with Dallas for Terry, or Seattle for Ridnour, or even Philly for Andre Miller and maybe Dalembert. Maybe even still the lakers if we could get future picks, and Farmar or JCrit. Probably have to take Mihm or Vlad back too.

AK47 for JO maybe?

Just take short contracts back if we are rebuilding.

Hicks
01-25-2008, 09:20 PM
Andre would probably be a great 4 in our small-ball lineup. Of course, that would mean Mike or Danny coming off the bench. I don't think Utah would want JO anyway.

idioteque
01-25-2008, 10:27 PM
We'll stand pat.

Larry will probably heat up warm glasses of milk for Murphleavy and they'll all go to bed at 8pm when other teams are wheeling and dealing.

Bridge
01-26-2008, 03:53 AM
I think we need to package JO with people we want out of Indy. Put him with Murph for shorter contracts and draft picks.

Jose Slaughter
01-26-2008, 04:08 AM
No offense Bridge but can you name one team that will give us draft picks & ending contracts for 2 over paid under productive players on the down side of their careers?

I'm not saying we might not find a team to take one of these guys but not both, not with the money they make. Not that I'm real picky what we get back but it would be 3rd rate talent.

RamBo_Lamar
01-26-2008, 08:37 AM
No offense Bridge but can you name one team that will give us draft picks & ending contracts for 2 over paid under productive players on the down side of their careers?

I'm not saying we might not find a team to take one of these guys but not both, not with the money they make. Not that I'm real picky what we get back but it would be 3rd rate talent.


I'm starting to think this "talent" business is way too overated, and perhaps
it's time to not so much worry about if whomever we get in return in a trade
is of equal talent, but if he is durable and won't be seeing alot of down
time.

The Pacers medical staff needs to be much more involved and proactive
when evaluting these players before bringing them in. Make an in-depth
study of NBA "iron men" past and present who have had long and relatively
injury free careers. Before bringing in a prospect, look closely for these
characteristics in the player. Look closely at his build, his body style, his
bone structure. Look even closer at his knees, ankles, and other joints,
and the health of his cartilage tissue.

Moving forward we need to build a team with players who naturally have
a higher resistance to injury rather than just looking at raw talent and
potential. Overly rating talent before durability has cost the team millions
of $$$ in recent history, as well as cost us alot of games with "star potential"
players either playing injured or riding the pine.

So basically even if we get a player back in a trade who is a "3rd rate talent",
it might actually be a good thing if he is durable and can stay out on the floor
to give us some athleticism without having to be continually concerned about
his getting injured. I would be fine with us sacrificing talent for durability, at
least at this point.

aceace
01-26-2008, 09:45 AM
We have talent but not chemistry. If JO is healthy at the deadline you have to take what you can get. He could help a team get over a hump, provided he stays healthy. We need one expiring contract + ?. Look at what Portland has done with all their young guys.

Speed
01-26-2008, 09:59 AM
I know its boring, but I think nothing happens at the deadline, but I think at the draft you'll see wholesale changes. This is a time that stuff actually happens in a big way, teams looking to unload vets, overvaluing picks. You can really remake a teams direction then or start to.

Lets face it, we are more than a move or 3 away from any direction they choose to rebuild or make a run.

I'd rather have 2 good moves at the draft than one forced desperate move at the deadline.

Birds pretty much handcuffed in adding any payroll to try to get better now and he doesn't have players that people are high enough on to move for a high draft pick. It'll just be interesting, but I'm not optimistic unless they fall into another Paul Pierce draft scenario. Otherwise, Bird is stuck in a 3 year cycle of whatever he does, imho.

Lastly, I think if you can somehow unload bad contracts anytime, thats a good thing. If you can find a team who feels they need shooting, an unloading of Murphy could work. There are lots of things. The toughest part is almost all of the stupid GMs are gone and all that is left are guys who have to be fiscally responsible. You have to make room to at least be make a competitive offer for Rush if he's your 2 guard. Obie is trying to win and I appreciate that, but he's really screwing Bird on how he can manage personnel.

Or obviously Ike could have value, but Obie won't play him to embellish that, at all. Obie's line up changes are mind boggling. It's like his days in Phillie all over again, he won't play young guys, anyway thats for another day. Where's Isiah when you need him to be on the bad side of a good deal.

Kegboy
01-26-2008, 10:49 AM
I wouldn't get your hopes up. We still haven't made the trade to shore up our backcourt that we were expecting a year ago.

Rajah Brown
01-26-2008, 11:58 AM
Speed-

Who knows if Bird will even be around another 3 yrs ? TBTP just
seems to be flying by the seat of it's/their/his pants right now.
If there's a plan of any kind aimed at getting back to legit
contending status anytime in the next few years, it's being
hidden awfully well.

Frankly, for all the good Donnie did in the past, I wish he'd go
ahead and hang up his spurs so Bird can sink or swim. I don't
really care which it is. But one way or the other, we need a
professional GM with a vision running things asap.

Speed
01-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Speed-

Who knows if Bird will even be around another 3 yrs ? TBTP just
seems to be flying by the seat of it's/their/his pants right now.
If there's a plan of any kind aimed at getting back to legit
contending status anytime in the next few years, it's being
hidden awfully well.

Frankly, for all the good Donnie did in the past, I wish he'd go
ahead and hang up his spurs so Bird can sink or swim. I don't
really care which it is. But one way or the other, we need a
professional GM with a vision running things asap.


I agree. I think in the fans minds that time is now for Bird. Its been unequivocally said he has the reigns as of the beginning of this year. Now they may go back and have Donnie take a bullet for Bird, so to speak, but I don't think there is one person who would buy it. I look at Toronto and what they've done in a short time with Colangelo, amazing. Other than New York, there isn't one team I wouldn't want to change positions with.

I don't see any plan at all. It's almost an addiction to mediocrity. Your just hoping they hit bottom, so they are forced to deal with the issues.

Everyone is in a pretty rough spot until then, imo.

Simons are in a rough spot, they feel like Bird is a legend, which as a player he is. They feel like they owe Walsh for all he's done for the team.

Walsh is in a rough spot because he has to feel his legacy is horribly tarnished.

Bird is in a rough spot, big payroll, losing team, hardly any valueable pieces to move to improve or to rebuild.

Obie is in a rough spot, trying to win with mismatched pieces.

JO is in a rough spot, wants to be healthy, feels like he owes the franchise who uncovered him, but wants to be with a team that has a chance at the end of his career.

Tinsley is in a rough spot, TPTB want him to be more than he is and he wants to be appreciated for what he is (and doesn't see anything wrong with that)

Harrison is in a rough spot because it isn't fair he can't smoke dope and be a starting center without having all of these unfair fouls called on him AND be allowed to do the cool water purifier commercials on the side....

Shade
01-26-2008, 12:20 PM
For everyone saying to trade JO for a Happy Meal, remember the phrase:

"Buy low, sell high."

JO's trade value will probably never be lower than it is right now, so why not wait things out and see if he can return and improve first?

Of course, if a good deal is on the table, you have to consider taking it. But there's no point at all in trading JO for trash.

Oneal07
01-26-2008, 12:44 PM
I expect nothing from this franchise anymore.

I think we'll stand pat.

Larry Bird said he does want to do something. I doubt we'll stand pat!!! I think the guy we really have to trade is Jamaal.

MyFavMartin
01-26-2008, 12:47 PM
We have talent but not chemistry. If JO is healthy at the deadline you have to take what you can get. He could help a team get over a hump, provided he stays healthy. We need one expiring contract + ?. Look at what Portland has done with all their young guys.

Look at what Minny got for Garnett.

We need JO to be healthy in order to trade him for anything more than a Kwame and a can of beans.

I don't think JO is the problem and if healthy has the ability to be a feature of this team.

Cobol Sam
01-26-2008, 01:05 PM
Look at what Minny got for Garnett.

We need JO to be healthy in order to trade him for anything more than a Kwame and a can of beans.

I don't think JO is the problem and if healthy has the ability to be a feature of this team.

Well we could use Kwame's expiring contract, especially after reading the piece on the Pacers losing 13 million over the past few years. Plus we could feed the can of beans to Diener and maybe he'd be able to bench the bar? eh?

Hicks
01-26-2008, 02:07 PM
Fellow Digest members,

This thread was deleted for good reason, and it's a problem we've been having from many people and it's past due that I do a better job of bringing attention to it.

Whenever you post an article from somewhere on the web, we need to see NOT JUST A LINK, but ALSO A REFERAL. This means WHO WROTE IT and WHAT WEBSITE THE ARTICLE IS POSTED ON. I've made RED EDITS to the first post of the thread to highlight what is needed EVERY time. If those THREE THINGS are listed, we're good.

But if not, threads will be removed. It's a LIABILITY ISSUE for the site that we MUST be strict about to cover our collective butts. Thank you very much!

BoomBaby33
01-26-2008, 03:12 PM
Fellow Digest members,

This thread was deleted for good reason, and it's a problem we've been having from many people and it's past due that I do a better job of bringing attention to it.

Whenever you post an article from somewhere on the web, we need to see NOT JUST A LINK, but ALSO A REFERAL. This means WHO WROTE IT and WHAT WEBSITE THE ARTICLE IS POSTED ON. I've made RED EDITS to the first post of the thread to highlight what is needed EVERY time. If those THREE THINGS are listed, we're good.

But if not, threads will be removed. It's a LIABILITY ISSUE for the site that we MUST be strict about to cover our collective butts. Thank you very much!

Sorry Mal. I thought all I needed was the link. It was not my intent to give the website a bad name. We Pacer fans appreciate having a forum like this to express our thoughts and ideas.

There have been some very knowledgable posts in this thread that I hope can stay on here.

Thanks for fixing it.

BB33

Hicks
01-26-2008, 03:29 PM
Sorry Mal. I thought all I needed was the link. It was not my intent to give the website a bad name. We Pacer fans appreciate having a forum like this to express our thoughts and ideas.

There have been some very knowledgable posts in this thread that I hope can stay on here.

Thanks for fixing it.

BB33

BB33,

Thank you for being so considerate. I'm glad to fix it. It's far, far from being a problem of you or a few individuals. I don't think 99% of our members know this is a rule we have, and so now I'm turning the corner in making it very clear. I certainly don't blame you as I would not blame any one poster for this. It's a forum-wide issue and it just so happened that your post was the one where things moved forward in making the policy clear to everyone.

As for the thread and its posts, obviously it's un-deleted now and there are no plans to delete it again unless new information is brought to my attention that would warrant it.

BoomBaby33
01-26-2008, 03:44 PM
For everyone saying to trade JO for a Happy Meal, remember the phrase:

"Buy low, sell high."

JO's trade value will probably never be HIGHER than it is right now

Of course, if a good deal is on the table, you have to consider taking it. But there's no point at all in trading JO for trash.

Fixed, IMO! His value will sink even farther. At least right now, the hope is for another desperate team that thinks when he gets healthy he could potentially be dominate again, at least for the short term. 2 games before his knee went bad again, he had a 27 point, something like 6 rebounds. Thats pretty good stats, but we lost the game though.

Its OK to trade for "trash" if we are rebuilding, as long as the "trash" is expiring contracts and picks. No more 3-4 year bad contracts like Murphy's.

IMO, JO just needs to go. His time is up here, as is Tins IMO.

OTOT, dcpacerfan, probably has it right here in reality with the new coach and sticking it out with what we have till the end of this year.

LG33
01-26-2008, 03:47 PM
the hope is for another desperate team that thinks when he gets healthy he could potentially be dominate again

That team is us!

Naptown_Seth
01-27-2008, 12:53 AM
I was googling the trade deadline, and this was one of the articles. It looked like it could spark some conversation on here. I agree though, the guy who wrote it did not put much thought into it, just some quick speculation i suppose.

If any of his "insight" has any truth to it, then I wouldn't mind us try to do something with Dallas for Terry, or Seattle for Ridnour, or even Philly for Andre Miller and maybe Dalembert. Maybe even still the lakers if we could get future picks, and Farmar or JCrit. Probably have to take Mihm or Vlad back too.

AK47 for JO maybe?

Just take short contracts back if we are rebuilding.
JOB + Dalembert = Artest caliber meltdown. They don't get along, to put it mildly.


That team is only us!
Fixed....sadly. :(

CableKC
01-27-2008, 01:58 AM
Its OK to trade for "trash" if we are rebuilding, as long as the "trash" is expiring contracts and picks. No more 3-4 year bad contracts like Murphy's.

IMO, JO just needs to go. His time is up here, as is Tins IMO.
Picks are not considered "trash".....no GM is going to give up any picks for JONeal. If you expect a "Iverson to Denver"-like trade for JONeal....then you're gonna be severely disappointed.

As one Laker fan had ( annoyingly but prophetically ) pointed out here ( when the JONeal to Lakers rumors popped up ) on PD......we are likely to get see a "Chris Webber to Philly"-type trade. We're not going to get any picks, we may get one Expiring Contract but more then likely some longer 2-3 contracts. I would like to believe that Bird is capable of pulling off a deal that nets us a Draft pick and Expiring contracts.....but I simply have very little faith in his abilities.

As Seth has continually pointed out on that "high horse" of his ( j/k Seth ;), I actually agree with most of what you have continually posted here about this team :D ); because of the bad moves/trades that we have made, the huge contracts that we have doled out.....we simply aren't in a position to make the needed changes ( without mortgaging our future ) until Murphy, Tinsley and JONeal come off the books. Unfortunately, I simply don't believe that we will make any moves before the trade deadline.

I have no problem trading JONeal....in fact....I am all for it. Unfortunately, I'm realistic enough to understand that we're not going to get outstanding players nor draft picks out of a trade for JONeal. However, this doesn't mean that we can't get any players that won't help us for the next 2 years. If we trade JONeal, as long as we get healthy / durable players that expires AFTER the 2008/2009 season that maybe average but at least can help us and makes sense for what we are trying to do here....then I am okay with that.

In the end....it's all a matter of keeping this garbage barge afloat for the next 1 1/2 seasons. Until then....I'm not going to get my expectations up.

ABADays
01-27-2008, 01:04 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Foster is the only viable trade bait right now? His "game" would mean a ton to a team on the verge of contention. I love Foster and what he has done for this franchise but I think he's gone. Too bad , we are running out of "popular players and good citizens".

avoidingtheclowns
01-27-2008, 01:15 PM
Not sure where you got that article but it's one of the least insightful, rational and/or accurate things I've read in some time.

what? you disagree with his assertion that memphis is an eastern conference team?

Oneal07
01-27-2008, 01:15 PM
Memphis- Retarded team wont ever deal Pau and wont make the playoffs (wanted Bosh, Bargnani, and first-round pick last year for Gasol)

R U Kidding Me? LOL


Damon Stoudamire is available, think we can find a way to get him

CableKC
01-27-2008, 01:19 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Foster is the only viable trade bait right now? His "game" would mean a ton to a team on the verge of contention. I love Foster and what he has done for this franchise but I think he's gone. Too bad , we are running out of "popular players and good citizens".
I agree that he has a lot of trade value.....but I also think that he's the only Big Man that we have that can play with any real consistency.

Unless we get a no-brainer trade ( like getting a top 10 draft pick....which is unlikely ), I don't see him being moved since we are so thin on Big Men right now.

In fact, he's one of the core players that I want to keep on the roster to build around alongside Granger, Shawne, Dunleavy and Diener.

ABADays
01-27-2008, 01:58 PM
I agree that he has a lot of trade value.....but I also think that he's the only Big Man that we have that can play with any real consistency.

Unless we get a no-brainer trade ( like getting a top 10 draft pick....which is unlikely ), I don't see him being moved since we are so thin on Big Men right now.

In fact, he's one of the core players that I want to keep on the roster to build around alongside Granger, Shawne, Dunleavy and Diener.

I think it's too late to build around much of anything we have and I'm not sure Foster is the one to do it with. To a contending club he brings THE spark, THE hustle and more importantly THE rebound. And to be honest - he deserves that break. He has absolutely busted his rear end for this organization.

BlueNGold
01-27-2008, 02:12 PM
Foster is the last player this team needs to trade right now...unless the goal is to tank.

He is actually the only capable interior defender that brings the lunch pail on a regular basis. I'm not even a big fan of him because he has so many other drawbacks (lack of size, shot blocking ability, offensive game), but losing him would result in a lot more losses.

Personally, I would like to see him play for San Antonio and win a ring...

Edit: Losing Granger or Dunleavy would be less of an impact notwithstanding their stats...partially because we have 7 other SF's. Foster's energy and interior play is underestimated.

BlueNGold
01-27-2008, 02:16 PM
..ok, for those who want to tank, hope that Foster is traded. You know that means a lot more Troy Murphy. Talk about soft in the middle. With JO in street clothes, teams would average 120ppg.

CableKC
01-27-2008, 04:05 PM
Foster is the last player this team needs to trade right now...unless the goal is to tank.

He is actually the only capable interior defender that brings the lunch pail on a regular basis. I'm not even a big fan of him because he has so many other drawbacks (lack of size, shot blocking ability, offensive game), but losing him would result in a lot more losses.

Personally, I would like to see him play for San Antonio and win a ring...

Edit: Losing Granger or Dunleavy would be less of an impact notwithstanding their stats...partially because we have 7 other SF's. Foster's energy and interior play is underestimated.


..ok, for those who want to tank, hope that Foster is traded. You know that means a lot more Troy Murphy. Talk about soft in the middle. With JO in street clothes, teams would average 120ppg.
I totally agree on this.....and is the very reasons why I would not want to trade Foster. I don't ever want to be dependant on JONeal to anchor the Frontcourt for the season....much less Murphy to do the same....cuz at some point, we're gonna have injuries to JONeal and you know that we are going to end up playing Shawne or Granger that the Center spot cuz we have no actual Big Men on this roster.

Foster definitely deserves better......but right now, we need him more then we don't. In the offseason....unless we can get a 1st round draft pick for him.......even if it's the Spurs draft pick ( which would be a late 20s pick )....I would consider it moving him ASSUMING that we are making a move for a player that actually does the same exact thing that he does.

BoomBaby33
01-27-2008, 08:34 PM
I agree that he has a lot of trade value.....but I also think that he's the only Big Man that we have that can play with any real consistency.

Unless we get a no-brainer trade ( like getting a top 10 draft pick....which is unlikely ), I don't see him being moved since we are so thin on Big Men right now.

In fact, he's one of the core players that I want to keep on the roster to build around alongside Granger, Shawne, Dunleavy and Diener.

I agree to an extent. He has had back issues throughout his career, and he may be the next Kellogg, the next Haskin, the next Bender, the next O'neal. I certainly hope not though. I really like Jeff as a player, a citizen, and a team leader, other players listen to him. Plus, he is one of the few fan favorites we have left.

Im starting to lose confidence in Shawne though. I beginning to think his IQ level is less than advertised. He has been making some bonehead plays recently. Im not sure its the system, or him.

I dont think we have many untouchables now - maybe Granger. DunDun is close, unless we could get a Mo Williams caliber player for him. Jeff, I would think we need to keep just for the fans. Other than those 3, thats it.

We have a long , looooong way to go to be the caliber team we were in the late 90's, early 2000's.

aero
01-28-2008, 05:59 AM
Who here seriously thinks that the Pacers will make a trade at all this year ? I mean yeah there are a couple guys i would trade but i just dont see any other team in the NBA wanting any of our guys....when i say any what i mean is our tradable players. Im not talking Granger, Williams..etc.

Will Galen
01-28-2008, 07:04 AM
Who here seriously thinks that the Pacers will make a trade at all this year ? I mean yeah there are a couple guys i would trade but i just dont see any other team in the NBA wanting any of our guys....when i say any what i mean is our tradable players. Im not talking Granger, Williams..etc.

I agree.

What a lot of people on here want is the Pacers to make a trade, but when you look at the rumors of who's available you realize we would just be trading our castoffs for the other teams castoffs. It's very hard now days to find a trade that both teams want to do.

The rumor is there won't be very many trade deadline deals this year. I expect maybe a half dozen deals between now and the deadline, and maybe one will be a major deal. I really look for any major Pacer deals to go down this summer.

Kofi
01-28-2008, 07:08 AM
It's sad that we've held on to J.O. for so long. The excuse has been to hold on to him until his play can raise his value, yet his value continues to plummet, both due to his health and the fact that he looks like crap on a stick even when he manages to play. This is a case of a GM lacking no foresight and no long term planning. Just horrible.

NapTonius Monk
01-28-2008, 07:52 AM
I'm starting to think this "talent" business is way too overated, and perhaps
it's time to not so much worry about if whomever we get in return in a trade
is of equal talent, but if he is durable and won't be seeing alot of down
time.

The Pacers medical staff needs to be much more involved and proactive
when evaluting these players before bringing them in. Make an in-depth
study of NBA "iron men" past and present who have had long and relatively
injury free careers. Before bringing in a prospect, look closely for these
characteristics in the player. Look closely at his build, his body style, his
bone structure. Look even closer at his knees, ankles, and other joints,
and the health of his cartilage tissue.

Moving forward we need to build a team with players who naturally have
a higher resistance to injury rather than just looking at raw talent and
potential. Overly rating talent before durability has cost the team millions
of $$$ in recent history, as well as cost us alot of games with "star potential"
players either playing injured or riding the pine.

So basically even if we get a player back in a trade who is a "3rd rate talent",
it might actually be a good thing if he is durable and can stay out on the floor
to give us some athleticism without having to be continually concerned about
his getting injured. I would be fine with us sacrificing talent for durability, at
least at this point.

You know, a co-worker and I had an interesting discussion along this line. Does anyone else notice this trend of injuries coinciding about the time David Craig left off being our trainer? Let's go get David back!

indygeezer
01-28-2008, 08:06 AM
You know, a co-worker and I had an interesting discussion along this line. Does anyone else notice this trend of injuries coinciding about the time David Craig left off being our trainer? Let's go get David back!

Davey was in charge of training during the Jon Bender days...and the start of the JT troubles. My question is, do they still use the same Doctors?

Mourning
01-28-2008, 08:35 AM
Our medical staff should take up training with the Phoenix medical staff to see how they handle it.

JayRedd
01-28-2008, 11:13 AM
Who here seriously thinks that the Pacers will make a trade at all this year ? I mean yeah there are a couple guys i would trade but i just dont see any other team in the NBA wanting any of our guys....when i say any what i mean is our tradable players. Im not talking Granger, Williams..etc.

I think we'll do something.

It won't earthshattering, but I believe we'll make a move. An Ike for Balkman level deal (not that exactly) that will be a step in the right direction in terms of getting a player everyone can agree we want here. Something like LA's Cook for Ariza deal or something.

And I'm guessing perimeter D (or middling PG) will be the target. Maybe we'll get TBird mancrush Quinton Ross or or trade Ike to the Bulls for Duhon or to Orlando for Bogans or something.

Basically, I think make a tweak that will probably dissappoint most people here but will ultimately be a step in the right direction. Unfortunately, that direction is west and we still need to get to the Pacific Ocean. Gotta start somewhere though I guess.