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Bball
01-21-2008, 12:24 AM
Pacers' O'Neal willing to sit out season to rehab knee

By Mike Wells
mike.wells@indystar.com

Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal told The Indianapolis Star on Sunday that he is willing to sit out the rest of the season, if necessary, to take care of his ongoing left knee problem.


O'Neal said his knee, which he had surgery on last April, has not fully recovered and that he returned to the court too soon.
"That's really the prime option for me," O'Neal said Sunday afternoon, of sitting out the rest of the season. "We're going to rehab now like it was the summer, with an extensive rehab. If that consists of a month or the rest of the season, I need to take the necessary steps to not come back on something that's not really healthy.

"That's the thing we have been saying. It's OK, but it really hasn't really been OK."

Team president Larry Bird could not be reached for comment Sunday.

O'Neal, who has missed eight games this season, said he knew something had to be done after playing just nine minutes, all the in the first quarter, against the Golden State Warriors last week.

"I'm not giving the team a shot," he said. "I would rather them give the guys a shot with the group that's going to be there every single day."

The Pacers issued a statement Saturday saying that O'Neal would miss at least two weeks after an MRI revealed a bone bruise on his knee. Coach Jim O'Brien said before Saturday's game against Sacramento that O'Neal will not get back to the point where he can play and practice on a regular basis this season.

O'Neal, who will continue to travel with the team, said he plans to meet soon with two specialists -- one in New York and one in Los Angeles.

"What's more important right now is doing the things necessary to get back healthy and also not have to get my whole damn knee replaced in 10 years," O'Neal said.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/SPORTS04/801200442

LG33
01-21-2008, 12:27 AM
Oh snap!

Kegboy
01-21-2008, 12:30 AM
Thanks for killing any trades, JO!

Eh, nobody woulda been stupid enough to take him, anyhow.

Aw Heck
01-21-2008, 12:32 AM
We've got Chris Webber 2.0 on our team.

I guess it would be best if he sat out the rest of the season. We might get a better draft pick that way. Although I don't think having him sit and just rehab the knee until next season is going to do much. I'm sure it would still just get injured again or he'd pick up some other nagging injury that would dog him for most of the season.

Sorry, I know that's really pessimistic. I'm just really deep into the Darkside right now.

Kegboy
01-21-2008, 12:42 AM
We've got Chris Webber 2.0 on our team.

No, Chris would pass the ball.


Sorry, I know that's really pessimistic. I'm just really deep into the Darkside right now.

:cookie:

grace
01-21-2008, 12:56 AM
Thanks for killing any trades, JO!

Eh, nobody woulda been stupid enough to take him, anyhow.

I knew this would happen. I knew it was just a matter of time before JO found a way to get back at Larry for firing Isiah.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. :devil:

rexnom
01-21-2008, 01:08 AM
I don't see how we can make the playoffs.

OnlyPacersLeft
01-21-2008, 01:14 AM
well we have been saying we are better without him...I guess we are about to find out...damn

OnlyPacersLeft
01-21-2008, 01:17 AM
wait can't JO opt out after this season? Yeah get healthy then opt out and go play for the knicks...UHG...

Infinite MAN_force
01-21-2008, 01:17 AM
People are being pretty hard on the guy. I can feel for his situation. Hopefully we decide to tank (trade tinsley) and get that draft pick we have been looking for.

Isaac
01-21-2008, 01:18 AM
I may be looking too much into it, but the timing of this is just too coincidental to me. I think the Jermaine for Vince trade talks are real and Jermaine is trying to kill his value.

OnlyPacersLeft
01-21-2008, 01:27 AM
why the hell wouldn't he want to play with kidd and jefferson?

Bball
01-21-2008, 01:40 AM
why the hell wouldn't he want to play with kidd and jefferson?


Maybe that's not the trade he was worried about...

-Bball

Peck
01-21-2008, 01:51 AM
Honestly this is best for everyone involved.

J.O. has to look out for his future and his knee. This team is not going anywhere and he needs to just set out.

Believe me people, every GM in the league already knows the extent of his injury so this is nothing that is going to affect his trade value one way or the other.

This means that Ike Diogu will now have to crap or get off of the pot. If J.O. is truely out for the season than we MUST see what Ike can do. We can NOT wait for another year.

My belief is that Ike will not work in this system, but right now they have to find that out for certain.

Also this means the team can now focus on one style of play and actually work on it and not have to jump styles from game to game.

I'll touch on Jermaine in the Q&A post.

But in this thread I will say that this is for the best.

kester99
01-21-2008, 01:59 AM
I don't see how we can make the playoffs.

Well, we are, what? 5-3 w/o JO in the line-up? And the 2nd half schedule is somewhat easier than the first....maybe the remaining bigs will step up enough.

But this is just adding more random effects to this crapshoot season. New coach, JO in / out, Ike in/out/in, Rush and Diener and Graham are useless, Harrison in/out/in/out, running game, JO-is-our-anchor, small ball, Rush and Diener and Graham are great...whee! What's next?

Bball
01-21-2008, 02:10 AM
Honestly this is best for everyone involved.

J.O. has to look out for his future and his knee. This team is not going anywhere and he needs to just set out.

Believe me people, every GM in the league already knows the extent of his injury so this is nothing that is going to affect his trade value one way or the other.

This means that Ike Diogu will now have to crap or get off of the pot. If J.O. is truely out for the season than we MUST see what Ike can do. We can NOT wait for another year.

My belief is that Ike will not work in this system, but right now they have to find that out for certain.

Also this means the team can now focus on one style of play and actually work on it and not have to jump styles from game to game.

I'll touch on Jermaine in the Q&A post.

But in this thread I will say that this is for the best.


Before I start thinking that we'll finally be forced to move on without a player, practice at full strength (with the available players), and try and develop some consistency and get younger players some meaningful development... I'll need to be convinced JO won't decide to come back in 2-3 weeks once he starts feeling better. And of course his starting spot will be waiting on him... and the 'you don't practice, you don't play' rule will be suspended again (or will it be "deactivated"? ;) )

I agree JO is looking at the downside of his career. If he looked real hard he'd see he's been looking at it for 2-3 years now. It may take him a while to come to terms with it, but if he ever does he might be more valuable with a clear understanding of his limitations than he would be pretending he's the 'other O Neal'.

Unfortunately, if he realizes he's on the downside of his career he might also realize his best monetary move is to not opt out this summer. My hope was that his ego would tell him to opt out because someone would wave $$$ at him because he's a 'superstar'.... or think the Pacers would pay to keep their superstar.

Maybe if he lets his legend grow for the rest of the season, and Conrad continually tells us how much better he's looking during rehab and workouts, then we can salvage some type of trade value. ....I can deam, can't I? :sad:

-Bball

Trader Joe
01-21-2008, 02:16 AM
:cookie:

I still haven't got my damn cookie!

And seriously screw him for saying this.

granger33
01-21-2008, 02:21 AM
why the hell did he have to say this today.

couldnt he of waited a week so we could of traded him for someone decent.

now we cant get anybody.

we could of had VC for free practically.(this yr)

Bball
01-21-2008, 02:30 AM
why the hell did he have to say this today.

couldnt he of waited a week so we could of traded him for someone decent.

now we cant get anybody.

we could of had VC for free practically.(this yr)

Could he have passed a physical?

Technically, he probably should've kept quiet since he's made it sound worse than what the Pacers have made it sound. But, the question still remains: Could he have passed a physical or would that have killed a trade anyway?

-Bball

granger33
01-21-2008, 02:38 AM
Technically, he probably should've kept quiet since he's made it sound worse than what the Pacers have made it sound. But, the question still remains: Could he have passed a physical or would that have killed a trade anyway?

Well either way now, the trade is dead now isnt it?

Unless teams want JO for next season, but Nets arent a team lookin for next season.

I read teams want Brand for next season, so i guess some teams are looking. But either way JO has killed us.

Arghh this has made me angry.

I wanna know what direction Bird will go to now?

Either trade JO for crap, or keep JO until he retires, and just rest him this season.

Mourning
01-21-2008, 02:51 AM
JO coming back too early from a previous injury... hmmm :hmm: where have I heard that one before? :sad:

Bye, bye remaining trade value.... byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Shade
01-21-2008, 03:19 AM
Good. This allows JO to fully heal, and for those who have been saying we're better w/o him to prove whether we actually are or not.

It also allows us to see what we've finally got on this team, especially in Ike Diogu.

Finally, if worse comes to worse and we tank, we can at least get a high draft pick out of it.

Like Peck said, this is the best thing right now for all parties involved.

Shade
01-21-2008, 03:44 AM
Btw, didn't JO say before the season that he was finally healthy and felt better than he had in years?

Apparently, the lies and deception don't end in the front office. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 3409786782876438756 times...

Doddage
01-21-2008, 04:24 AM
Btw, didn't JO say before the season that he was finally healthy and felt better than he had in years?
I recall this as well. Did I miss that "old JO" that would be revived this season?

andreialta
01-21-2008, 05:37 AM
oh man... we really need someone down there

when i say we play better without JO back then was just me thinking in the back of my mind taht big 7 will be back some games after and anchor defense.

but now, im worrid about our team and play-off chances, small ball works but not all the time, we need a legit pf/c now

its urgent, Ike aint gonna cut it, david eh.

Jelani Mccoy? we neeed some D-league pf star rite now..

Mourning
01-21-2008, 05:53 AM
Good. This allows JO to fully heal, and for those who have been saying we're better w/o him to prove whether we actually are or not.

It also allows us to see what we've finally got on this team, especially in Ike Diogu.

Finally, if worse comes to worse and we tank, we can at least get a high draft pick out of it.

Yup.

OnlyPacersLeft
01-21-2008, 06:07 AM
eh great...this sucks!

MagicRat
01-21-2008, 09:49 AM
The headline for this in the actual paper is:

O'Neal Thinks His Season's Over

Arcadian
01-21-2008, 10:03 AM
I can't believe people who would suggest trading a player that was about to call it quits for the season would also call JO out on his character for announcing this. There is a word for people like that--used car salesmen. Regardless, imagining that we are able to sneak a hurt JO in a trade is silly. There are physicals and everyone has seen him play this season.

JayRedd
01-21-2008, 11:23 AM
This is too bad. But if he's really injured and not just hurt, it makes sense to shut it down and rehab. Let's hope he can get healthy again, no matter what the timeline.


Btw, didn't JO say before the season that he was finally healthy and felt better than he had in years?

Apparently, the lies and deception don't end in the front office. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 3409786782876438756 times...

I doubt he was being disingenuous in any way.

He probably did feel great in the preseason after getting his meniscus taken care of and rehabbing for three months. And that's what he told the reporter that asked him the question. But once the rigors of the NBA season began, thing's changed. His surgically repaired knee started swelling and the pounding took its toll.

This is the first time he'd ever had knee surgery of any kind, so it's not like he had any first-hand experience with how things would go.

Hicks
01-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Good. This allows JO to fully heal, and for those who have been saying we're better w/o him to prove whether we actually are or not.

It also allows us to see what we've finally got on this team, especially in Ike Diogu.

Finally, if worse comes to worse and we tank, we can at least get a high draft pick out of it.

Like Peck said, this is the best thing right now for all parties involved.

I'm right there with you. It's a good thing for everyone.

idioteque
01-21-2008, 01:19 PM
Might as well let JO sit for the rest of this year. In his condition now, he can't lead us out of the first round of the playoffs, in the long run there's no use to him playing for the rest of the season.

It's now on Diogu to see if he can earn an extension or not. I'd also love to see Graham get a spot in the regular rotation now, on a temporary basis, to see if he can handle it.

We'll find a lot out about our talent level minus JO on this team, we'll either be pleasantly surprised with the decent play of some guys who have spent a good portion of the season on the bench, or we'll tank and get a great draft pick. Sounds ok to me.

flox
01-21-2008, 01:58 PM
With this piece of news, we now can surmise that we would think that JO would not opt out at the end of this year, as his value would be very, very low. If JO is shut down for the rest of this year and becomes healthy the next year, we then have one of the more intriguing trade pieces in a fully healthy JO, and we could potentially get even more value from him.

Now, lets see if my "We play better without JO + with Harrison and Diogu" theory holds up for the remainder of the season.

Kofi
01-21-2008, 02:05 PM
Well, Diogu is gonna get his chance to show what he's made of. A make or break next 41 games for him.

If J.O. were to come back completely healthy, with his All-Star form, Dunleavy keeps up his current play, Granger and/or Shawne and Ike mature, and we add a nice ready-to-contribute player via the draft and/or free agency, we could be a pretty dangerous team. A lot of its, but none are highly unlikely.

BobbyMac
01-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Honestly this is best for everyone involved.

J.O. has to look out for his future and his knee. This team is not going anywhere and he needs to just set out.

Believe me people, every GM in the league already knows the extent of his injury so this is nothing that is going to affect his trade value one way or the other.

This means that Ike Diogu will now have to crap or get off of the pot. If J.O. is truely out for the season than we MUST see what Ike can do. We can NOT wait for another year.

My belief is that Ike will not work in this system, but right now they have to find that out for certain.

Also this means the team can now focus on one style of play and actually work on it and not have to jump styles from game to game.

I'll touch on Jermaine in the Q&A post.

But in this thread I will say that this is for the best.

I agree....I feel sorry for JO but he can't continue they way he has been going.

Sollozzo
01-21-2008, 02:46 PM
Those of us who felt that JO's value was at it's highest in the summer were right. We are stuck with him and his massive contract. But that is what the Pacers get for feeling that they could bluff their way into getting a fantastic deal for O'Neal.

JO is a Chris Webber. Injury prone at a still relatively young age. Some guys just can't play until their late 30's. Some guys can like the Mailman. Malone won an MVP at age 35. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jermaine out of the league at that age.

Like so many of us, I just want the JO/Tinsley era to be over as rapidly as possible. We are looking at having about a decade of those 2 together when all is said and done.

bulldog
01-21-2008, 02:48 PM
Only in the NBA can a guy paid more than $10 million serve you best by not doing anything.

On second thought, I know a lot of companies where thats true.


I feel like this is the fourth time I've said this, but everyone please remember this moment next summer when the annual "I've lost 10 pounds, this is the best I've felt in a long time" articles come out.

CableKC
01-21-2008, 03:09 PM
Oh well....so much for the VC for JONeal trade rumors.

He just tanked any possiblility of moving him until the start of the 2008-2009 season.

Young
01-21-2008, 03:45 PM
You know I want to move on but don't feel that it can be done with Jermaine. I really am hoping for something but this defiantly kills any chance of a trade happening this season and probably for the summer too.

On the other hand it seems Mike and Danny step up their games without Jermaine in the lineup, especially Danny he seems to be more aggressive. So now we can really see what guys can do. Same does for Ike it should give him a chance to shine as we will need his low post scoring for sure.

Reckoner
01-21-2008, 05:47 PM
Oh well....so much for the VC for JONeal trade rumors.


Good.

VC doesn't deserve to wear a Pacers uniform.

McKeyFan
01-21-2008, 06:09 PM
Now, lets see if my "We play better without JO + with Harrison and Diogu" theory holds up for the remainder of the season.

When Ike starts surging, JO will come back to protect his "reputation."

We will continue to be worse with him, but JOB and company will keep drinking the Kool-Aid and see JO in Emperor's clothes. And I don't really know why.

Naptown_Seth
01-21-2008, 06:19 PM
"I would rather them give the guys a shot with the group that's going to be there every single day.Um, isn't this what people wanted?

I mean what a jerk admitting he's not healthy enough to be consistently helpful to the team. One minute he's too selfish for demanding attention on the court, the next he's "blowing" any trade talks, as if his play this season and lingering injury were a big secret.

Sheesh, just make up your minds, that's all I'm saying.

You know there are many players in many sports who's careers ended early due to injury. Did I miss the part where everyone thinks Earl Campbell was a big a'hole?

As for saying he's better than ever, at the very least wasn't that helping his trade value then if it wasn't true? If so then what a swell guy to help out the Pacers.

And then you have the possibility that he felt great and it was serious activity that brought out recurring swelling and injury issues.


What we have behind him? What, we have no idea what Ike or David are like? Who are these Jeff and Troy people you mention? Please. Here's what the Pacers have behind JO...a freaking LAYUP DRILL. As in the Kings game where it was layup after layup, except when they threw in a switch with a dump off to Moore for a dunk.

Like Smits, JO needs to get things right. Why? Because when he's right he makes a big difference.

Naptown_Seth
01-21-2008, 06:29 PM
Could he have passed a physical?

Technically, he probably should've kept quiet since he's made it sound worse than what the Pacers have made it sound. But, the question still remains: Could he have passed a physical or would that have killed a trade anyway?

-Bball
Exactly. Scouts know what JO was doing this year, mostly on offense (struggling that is). Then he gets a physical and old honest Bird gets the rep of lying and pawning off injured players. Hurray for future deals he tries to get done.

You don't become a top GM by scamming people outright. You have to make them feel good about the deal from their end, and sneaking a lemon to them via outright deception is not part of that. Let's try to think a little more long term here.

Better to admit to JO's full condition, which frankly might interest a team that sees the lower numbers and ties those to the injury, then believes in his chances to be healthy next year and wants to deal with Indy now in order to get a strong PF below cost.

You don't have to give the laundry list of stuff you don't like about the player, but it's just bad practice to hide legit, serious injuries/issues in trade talks.

LG33
01-21-2008, 06:48 PM
Kornheiser says he's one step away from Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

avoidingtheclowns
01-21-2008, 07:22 PM
Kornheiser says he's one step away from Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

peck is kornheiser????

SWEET! peck do the penguin dance!

CableKC
01-21-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm gonna stand by what I posted before about a timetable for JONeal's return. I'm aiming for the end of January / beginning of February to trot him out like to play him for a full week before the trade Deadline to see if we can move him one last time before we shut him down for the season.

If that doesn't happen....I'm still betting that he comes back this season and plays to showcase that his injury isn't as bad as everyone thinks. This way, TPTB can try to move him during the offseason.

Anthem
01-21-2008, 08:13 PM
Good for JO. He's not been helping much on offense (although his D has been surprisingly good) and I'd rather shut him down for the season and move on than go with this maybe-maybenot thing every single game.

Jermaine's had some absolutely freakish knee injuries. When I saw the one against the Pistons, I figured his career was over. When he played the next game, i thought he was insane. Now a lot of that stuff has come back to haunt him, but I can't fault the man's heart. If he says he's too hurt to help, I believe him.