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Trader Joe
01-14-2008, 02:53 PM
Obviously if we are going to compete in the playoffs again our defense must again get better. Our corners were repeatedly beaten for jump balls on Sunday and D-Line failed to get any pressure on Rivers.
Here is a list of 2008 Free agents:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
The Colts will have roughly 9 million dollars in cap room ASSUMING Marvin doesn't retire. If he does that changes things quite a bit for the better for the long term future of the Colts IMHO. In other words, I'm hoping #88 hangs them up, not because I dislike him or anything like that, but just because having his contracts off the books could really help this team.

So who can we get that can help us? Well there are several impressive free agents out there who are D-linemen Albert Haynesworth would obviously help us the most. Jared Allen, Justin Smith, and Terrell Suggs will all also be available.
Onto our linebackers. Look I like Brackett and Keiaho, but I think we should really look into Lance Briggs. He would be my number 1 target if I were the Colts.
If we decide to upgrade either Hayden or Jackson then a guy like Marcus Trufant could also really help us out.

IMO this is the most pivotal offseason the Colts have had in sometime. Our defense was exposed against the Chargers and adding Freeney (especially post Lis-Franc) probably isn't going to help this much. We must spend all our cap money this season if we want to keep pace with New England.

Sollozzo
01-14-2008, 03:26 PM
Obviously if we are going to compete in the playoffs again our defense must again get better. Our corners were repeatedly beaten for jump balls on Sunday and D-Line failed to get any pressure on Rivers.
Here is a list of 2008 Free agents:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
The Colts will have roughly 9 million dollars in cap room ASSUMING Marvin doesn't retire. If he does that changes things quite a bit for the better for the long term future of the Colts IMHO. In other words, I'm hoping #88 hangs them up, not because I dislike him or anything like that, but just because having his contracts off the books could really help this team.

So who can we get that can help us? Well there are several impressive free agents out there who are D-linemen Albert Haynesworth would obviously help us the most. Jared Allen, Justin Smith, and Terrell Suggs will all also be available.
Onto our linebackers. Look I like Brackett and Keiaho, but I think we should really look into Lance Briggs. He would be my number 1 target if I were the Colts.
If we decide to upgrade either Hayden or Jackson then a guy like Marcus Trufant could also really help us out.

IMO this is the most pivotal offseason the Colts have had in sometime. Our defense was exposed against the Chargers and adding Freeney (especially post Lis-Franc) probably isn't going to help this much. We must spend all our cap money this season if we want to keep pace with New England.


I keep debating as to whether I want Marvin back. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we cut him (which I think the chances of happening are tiny). I wish we could get a young receiver who is over 6 foot that can take some big hits. Unfortunately, those don't grow on trees. Just think of having Wayne along with a guy over 6 feet that could take a hit. That would be deadly.

Harrison would have shattered all over the field if he were hit like Wayne yesterday.

Would it be hard for the fans to let go of Marv? It was hard to let go of Reggie Miller, but Reg was an emotional guy who constantly interacted with fans. Marvin has been here for 12 years yet you feel like you hardly know him.

Hopefully Freeney will come back 100% (though I've read that it's an injury that can sometimes linger).

I don't know about the defense. I mean, this was one of, if not the best, defense in the NFL...even after Freeney went out. Was it a personal problem, or just a lack of/poor preparation?

Again, a coaching change wouldn't be the end of the world. And I'm someone who has always been a Dungy fan. But this team just didn't look hungry at all yesterday outside of Manning, Wayne, Clark and Gonzo all seemed hungry. And the special teams was good.

Motivation comes from the coach. I know everyone says "these are NFL players, they shouldn't need to be motivated for a playoff game blah blah blah...", but sometimes players need a pushing from the coach to get motivated. Just like in a regular workplace an employee might need a push from their boss to get a job done, even though it's their job and they *should* be doing it in the first place. The same standards apply to the NFL.

Dungy didn't seem too pissed about the loss. He gave the old "ho hum, it's disappointing, I'll give credit to San Diego."

aero
01-14-2008, 03:33 PM
Special Teams would be something on the top of my list, also more D Linemen never hurt....

Would be nice to have a better Run Back Specialist for kick offs...if thats even the name of that position.

Young
01-14-2008, 04:05 PM
I think that on offense another wide out is needed for sure. Even if Marvin comes back lets get another one in there. Maybe draft one.

I am torn on Keith. I think we could use a better back up running back. I think that was huge for the Colts last year having Addai and DR. We also started off running the ball strong but as the season went on it was established. But I would like to see Addai and then another solid back. Hopefully not rely so much on Addai early on in the season so that he is fresh and ready for the playoffs.

I think the defensive missed Freeny for sure. I do wonder if he will be the same after the injury. I also think that the Colts missed Anthony McFarland. Hopefully Bill Polian can do something to help the D-Line out.

idioteque
01-14-2008, 04:52 PM
I'm hoping that Freeney's injury won't hobble him for the rest of his career.

If that is the case, combined with Marvin's situation, we better be thankful for the SB that we won, because in some ways we're rather SOL.

We need to improve on both sides of the ball in regards to special teams.

I wouldn't mind going for a new wideout. I really think Marvin is done. That leaves Reggie Wayne as a clear-cut #1, Gonzo as a decent #2, and Aromoshadu as a questionable #3. I think our corps would be normal by league standards, but not in any position to compete with the championship, especially with the Pats how they are.

Pass rushing is a concern, obviously. If Freeney isn't able to come back we need to take a hard look at Keyunta Dawson (basically a Mathis clone) in the offseason to see if he is the answer. Brock to me has always seemed to be okay, but not overwhelming good.

I think our D-line is actually decent.

Maybe a large CB or LB, but I don't think Polian will go for that.

SoupIsGood
01-14-2008, 06:08 PM
Offensive line.

Everything else just needs better depth. We could use different backups at RB, TE, WR, DE, and CB.

But we need to shake up the interior of that O line. Maybe move Diem to guard, let our current guards walk, and draft or sign another guys that are hopefully better. And pray that Saturday pulls his head outta his ***. And cut Charlie Johnson.

Ugoh and Gonzo look promising, though.

A superbowl win next year wouldn't surprise me. But we do need to address the O line - maybe it's time to start investing some higher picks there. We did pretty good grabbing Ugoh in the 2nd round - I sure wouldn't mind seeing a few more talents like him on the line. We're not going to do anything if we can't get it done in the trenches.

BigMac
01-14-2008, 10:09 PM
...I wouldn't mind going for a new wideout. I really think Marvin is done. That leaves Reggie Wayne as a clear-cut #1, Gonzo as a decent #2, and Aromoshadu as a questionable #3. I think our corps would be normal by league standards, but not in any position to compete with the championship, especially with the Pats how they are.....

Be on the watch for the signing of former IU Great Courtney Roby to the Blue. He will add more speed as a #3 receiver (with Gonzo in the slot). Roby will also add 4.3 speed to the receiving corps while giving the Colts a kick return threat-he averaged around 27 yards a return his rookie season in Tennessee. While not a "big receiver" he has better speed and hands than Aromoshadu. Aromoshadu, should he return, would most likely be the #4 receiver possibly inactive on game day depending on injuries.

Roby was not given any kind of chance in Tennesssee with the vanilla offense of Norm Chow. Once GM Reese was ousted-a big Roby supporter-Roby's days in Tennessee were numbered. When given the chance I would bet we will see Roby in a Colts uniform for years to come. Played at North Central High School and is currently IU's all-time leading receiver. I also understand that the Colts were seriously considering signing him prior to bringing up Aromoshadu but decided that Aromoshadu had a better grasp of the Colts complex offense than Roby could expect to have in the final five games of the season. I hear that he had an awesome workout for the Colts during the season.

jeffg-body
01-14-2008, 11:24 PM
I think WR (Marv's eventual replacement), RB, special teams. I like James Hardy if he slips to the 2nd round. If not him, one of the 2 big WR from OK State that torched IU. I wouldn't tinker with it too much because it wasn't all that broke and look at all of the IR guys that will be back-Booger, DF, Roy Hall, Morris. We will be set at D-line with the young guys getting experience. The O-line may need another 2-4th round stud as well.

BoomBaby31
01-15-2008, 12:48 AM
I wouldn't cry if Marvin decided to retire. Haynesworth is the best DT in the league, talk about a pass rush. freeney, Haynesworth, Mathis holy moly!!! If Marvin doesn't come back, I say top the NE offer and pick up Moss. NE is a cheap team and we could out do their offer. Moss and Haynesworth = Superbowl. We need to make this like a Yankees-Red Sox rivarly, Take their 2nd best player and put him with our better QB.

Bball
01-15-2008, 02:03 AM
I wouldn't cry if Marvin decided to retire. Haynesworth is the best DT in the league, talk about a pass rush. freeney, Haynesworth, Mathis holy moly!!! If Marvin doesn't come back, I say top the NE offer and pick up Moss. NE is a cheap team and we could out do their offer. Moss and Haynesworth = Superbowl. We need to make this like a Yankees-Red Sox rivarly, Take their 2nd best player and put him with our better QB.

They may be 1A and 1B, but I'm really questioning whether we have the better QB.

I don't think there's any doubt they have better coaching.

-Bball

DisplacedKnick
01-15-2008, 07:52 AM
Two main areas I'd target.

First, a new special teams coach. They did fine this week. They did horrible this season and for the past few seasons.

Second is pass rush. I'm not convinced Freeney comes back 100% - a foot injury with a big guy? Even if he does, the Colts pass rush was just OK when he was in and he hasn't been the force he was 2-3 years ago. You can fix that from the line but I'd try to get a OLB you can use in the zone blitz.

There are obviously a bunch of tweaks but those are the two big ones I see.

McClintic Sphere
01-15-2008, 08:48 AM
Big Mac, Roby's already been signed. My impressions are that both lines need the most bolstering. Obviously, Freeney being out hurt us and losing Booger in camp. I agree that the return game was pretty lame this year, I think they did little to improve that in the offseason. The Colts are nonpareil in the skill positions on O and D, but when you can't run consistently enough and get a push up the middle on Defense in passing situations, it really makes it tough on those people to carry the entire load. The Colt's have done a great job of locating talent in the draft, but I think this year they have to add some depth along both lines. Having a UDFA and a 7th round draft choice, both rookies, starting as your D tackles in the playoffs usually isn't going to get it done. Free agents should be dying to come here if they have been anywhere else where losing is a regularity, which is most of the league outside of NE and Indy.

Ownagedood
01-15-2008, 09:16 AM
Wow, I just noticed some big time OL guys are free agents.. We should decline to resign one of ours.. Then go sign Alan Faneca! :cool:

Same with DL

Albert Haynesworth, Justin Smith and Jared Allen are available.

Asante Samuel may be available as well. That would also boost our defense. But at the same time, isn't a big position of need.

avoidingtheclowns
01-15-2008, 11:37 AM
one FA we might take a look at if marvin does retire is bryant johnson from arizona. big guy (like 6'3") and has pretty good hands (which we could definitely use). he's just been stuck behind the cards top 2 receivers the last couple of years.

DisapointedPacerFan
01-15-2008, 01:40 PM
We need to get another CB...Dante Hughes will be back as well, but we have very short CB's....Dungy should try and get one in the 2nd round with our pick....try not to spend a whole lotta money on a FA. Also, don't re-sign Moorehead..that guy is horrible.

idioteque
01-15-2008, 01:41 PM
FYI all the reports I have read have indicated that there is a 99% chance Haynesworth will be back at TEN, they're very committed to keeping him and apparently he wants to stay there.

Besides isn't it their job to sign our old guys, not the other way around? :cool:

idioteque
01-15-2008, 01:42 PM
We need to get another CB...Dante Hughes will be back as well, but we have very short CB's....Dungy should try and get one in the 2nd round with our pick....try not to spend a whole lotta money on a FA. Also, don't re-sign Moorehead..that guy is horrible.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time because you're not the only person to suggest this thing but, based on the Colts' prior draft selections at DB, what makes you think they're going to get a big corner now?

ABADays
01-15-2008, 02:04 PM
If we are staying with the Cover 2 we HAVE to get a pass rush.

BigMac
01-15-2008, 02:05 PM
Big Mac, Roby's already been signed....

Actually, I knew two weeks ago (he signed on the night of the Tennessee game) but the announcement could not be made until the Colts were out of the playoffs. I posted this last night before it was published. Good timing, though.

tdubb03
01-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Priority one is to quit playing Tim Jennings.

And we'd probably be able to get Dominic back pretty easily. I'm not sure if he's a free agent, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Oakland cut him if not.

Lord Helmet
01-15-2008, 05:10 PM
One thing is for certain, we won't be making any huge trades or free agent signings.

You guys surely have followed this current management for a while haven't you? We don't do that stuff, it isn't in our system of going about things.

Off-season to do list:

1.Try to get Freeney and other injured players as healthy as possible. (I think Dwight should be OK by kickoff of the regular season.)

2. In the draft, get as much pass rush as you can, maybe some new corners.

Feel free to add to the list......

Moses
01-15-2008, 07:41 PM
one FA we might take a look at if marvin does retire is bryant johnson from arizona. big guy (like 6'3") and has pretty good hands (which we could definitely use). he's just been stuck behind the cards top 2 receivers the last couple of years.
Bryant Johnson does not have good hands. He's pretty talented with the exception of that.

The problem with a lot of these FAs is that they are going to be looking for a big, big payday. The Colts can't offer a huge payday, but they can offer a shot at a championship. I'm sure there are quite a few guys who would love to play in Indy..but how much of a paycut are they willing to take?


One thing is for certain, we won't be making any huge trades or free agent signings.

You guys surely have followed this current management for a while haven't you? We don't do that stuff, it isn't in our system of going about things.
I would have said the same thing about NE prior to this year. You just never know.

Lord Helmet
01-15-2008, 08:02 PM
Bryant Johnson does not have good hands. He's pretty talented with the exception of that.

The problem with a lot of these FAs is that they are going to be looking for a big, big payday. The Colts can't offer a huge payday, but they can offer a shot at a championship. I'm sure there are quite a few guys who would love to play in Indy..but how much of a paycut are they willing to take?


I would have said the same thing about NE prior to this year. You just never know.
Very good point.

McClintic Sphere
01-16-2008, 12:51 PM
Mathis really only played situationally in the San Diego game and was ineffective. Getting he and Dwight back healthy is equivalent to adding two of the best pass rushers in the game. I look for D tackle and O line to be priorities one and two in the offseason. I think they will also look to add another running back. It seemed that Addai was quite a bit more run down at the end of this year than he was last and Keith could not catch a freaking screen pass to save his life.

Elgin56
01-16-2008, 03:28 PM
1. New head coach

2. A full back for the 3rd and 1 and that Addai can't seem to get

3. New defensive coach

4. New special teams coach

DisapointedPacerFan
01-17-2008, 01:22 PM
I'm not trying to give you a hard time because you're not the only person to suggest this thing but, based on the Colts' prior draft selections at DB, what makes you think they're going to get a big corner now?
The fact that Tim Jennings got thrown on alot...i.e. Randy Moss, Vincent Jackson....he doesnt have as much experience as the other guys do (Jackson, Hayden) and I think he is just a lil shorter than them too. But I don't think that it is our no.1 need, but its something that we should try to address.