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Doddage
01-13-2008, 12:30 AM
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</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">FGM-A</td> <td>3PM-A</td> <td>FTM-A</td> <td>OREB</td> <td>DREB</td> <td>REB</td> <td>AST</td> <td>STL</td> <td>BLK</td> <td>TO</td> <td>PF</td> <td>PTS</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td colspan="2" align="left">
</td><td>38-80</td><td>11-28</td><td>24-29</td><td>10</td><td>27</td><td>37</td><td>22</td><td>14</td><td>2</td><td>17</td><td>25</td><td>111</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td colspan="2" align="left">
</td><td>47.5%</td><td>39.3%</td><td>82.8%</td><td colspan="9">Team TO (pts off): 17 (19)</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td colspan="14"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"> <td colspan="14" style="background: rgb(57, 57, 150) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; text-align: center; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">SACRAMENTO KINGS</td> </tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">STARTERS</td> <td width="5%">MIN</td> <td nowrap="nowrap" width="7%">FGM-A</td> <td width="7%">3PM-A</td> <td width="7%">FTM-A</td> <td width="6%">OREB</td> <td width="6%">DREB</td> <td width="6%">REB</td> <td width="6%">AST</td> <td width="6%">STL</td> <td width="6%">BLK</td> <td width="6%">TO</td> <td width="6%">PF</td> <td width="6%">PTS</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mikki Moore (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=575), PF</td><td>27</td><td>1-4</td><td>0-0</td><td>2-2</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>4</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Francisco Garcia (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2755), SF</td><td>45</td><td>9-18</td><td>3-6</td><td>1-1</td><td>3</td><td>9</td><td>12</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>4</td><td>22</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Brad Miller (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=556), C</td><td>38</td><td>5-15</td><td>0-1</td><td>4-4</td><td>4</td><td>11</td><td>15</td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>4</td><td>14</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">John Salmons (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1726), SG</td><td>42</td><td>4-10</td><td>1-2</td><td>6-6</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>15</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Beno Udrih (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2448), PG</td><td>34</td><td>6-8</td><td>2-2</td><td>0-0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>14</td></tr><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">BENCH</td> <td width="5%">MIN</td> <td nowrap="nowrap" width="7%">FGM-A</td> <td width="7%">3PM-A</td> <td width="7%">FTM-A</td> <td width="6%">OREB</td> <td width="6%">DREB</td> <td width="6%">REB</td> <td width="6%">AST</td> <td width="6%">STL</td> <td width="6%">BLK</td> <td width="6%">TO</td> <td width="6%">PF</td> <td width="6%">PTS</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Kevin Martin (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2394), SG</td><td>29</td><td>7-9</td><td>1-1</td><td>10-10</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td>25</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Dahntay Jones (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2008), SG</td><td>11</td><td>3-4</td><td>0-0</td><td>0-1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>6</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">Quincy Douby (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3000), PG</td><td>14</td><td>2-6</td><td>0-2</td><td>1-1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>5</td></tr><tr class="colhead" align="right"><td align="left">TOTALS</td><td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">FGM-A</td> <td>3PM-A</td> <td>FTM-A</td> <td>OREB</td> <td>DREB</td> <td>REB</td> <td>AST</td> <td>STL</td> <td>BLK</td> <td>TO</td> <td>PF</td> <td>PTS</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td colspan="2" align="left">
</td><td>37-74</td><td>7-14</td><td>24-25</td><td>8</td><td>32</td><td>40</td><td>17</td><td>7</td><td>2</td><td>23</td><td>23</td><td>105</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td colspan="2" align="left">
</td><td>50.0%</td><td>50.0%</td><td>96.0%</td><td colspan="9">Team TO (pts off): 23 (25)</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td colspan="14">
</td></tr></tbody></table>Flagrant Fouls: None
Technical Fouls: 2 SACRAMENTO ( F Garcia 1 ) INDIANA ( J O'Neal 1 )
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granger33
01-13-2008, 12:32 AM
Our franchise player 2-8.

Diener won us this game.

tora tora
01-13-2008, 12:36 AM
Sweet post game thread, the stats are nice. Diener>>>Tinsley

LoneGranger33
01-13-2008, 12:40 AM
I really think we need to work out this Jermaine situation. I don't think the guy should play until he's capable of practicing. And if he has been practicing regularly, which I'm led to believe has not been the case thus far, then Jim O'Brien has to work harder on getting the team to gel with him. I'd prefer to give him an extended break sometime when our schedule is light, and especially around All-Star weekend, just so he can get back his lift and maybe some of his confidence.

kester99
01-13-2008, 12:41 AM
I saw nothing from Jeff's time on the floor that would explain why he didn't come back in the game. I know the Kings wouldn't have double-teamed him like they did JO, but I'm not sure that explains it.

LoneGranger33
01-13-2008, 12:42 AM
Rush and Granger were not shooting particularly well today, and we still managed to win - that's a good sign. However, we need to be stronger on the boards - there were a couple times when the ball bounced before a Sacto player got to it, and that really shouldn't happen in an NBA game.

LoneGranger33
01-13-2008, 12:44 AM
I saw nothing from Jeff's time on the floor that would explain why he didn't come back in the game. I know the Kings wouldn't have double-teamed him like they did JO, but I'm not sure that explains it.

I think it's because they had no real low-post threat to worry about - might as well put Shawne out there instead. I liked how Dunleavy was guarding Mikki Moore tonight - that worked out surprisingly well.

kester99
01-13-2008, 12:47 AM
I think it's because they had no real low-post threat to worry about - might as well put Shawne out there instead. I liked how Dunleavy was guarding Mikki Moore tonight - that worked out surprisingly well.

Well, I was thinking in terms of Jeff instead of JO...it looked like O'B was serious about small ball....we played one true big only, most of the night.

LoneGranger33
01-13-2008, 12:50 AM
I dunno - I think it's hard to bench 19 million dollars, for better or worse.

This win is meaningless unless we can gain some momentum for the GS game and then heading back home.

JayRedd
01-13-2008, 12:52 AM
If you guys don't think JO played really well in the 4th Quarter than I'm guessing your prejudice is so far beyond reason that it's pointless for me to even try to post something that would make you realize how critical his play in the final period was to our victory tonight.

(and, yes, I'm well aware of his shooting percentage. Missing shots doesn't equal playing bad.)

jmoney2584
01-13-2008, 12:52 AM
Oh great, we squeaked out a win against a depleted Kings squad...I'm jumping for joy....really, this doesn't do a thing torwards getting us into rebuild mode. We need to just lose the next 10 so that pacer nation is demanding a rebuild by the deadline and we blow it up. Boom goes the dynamite.

NuffSaid
01-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Our franchise player 2-8.

Diener won us this game.
Well, in JO's defense he'd been doubled and triple teamed all night. Plus, he wasn't getting the ball in a position where he could make one quick move to the basket w/o needing to put the ball on the floor. Near the end of the 4Q, they started getting him the ball closer in towards the basket where he could do just that and he was more effective.

When you've got 2-3 guys coming at you every time you touch the ball and you're getting fed the ball out of position, it's tough! He finally started kicking the ball out to the open man and they (Dun, Granger, Deiner, Rush, Williams) all started to knock a few of them down. Once that outside game got established from the kick-out and JO was fed the ball closer in where he could work better, he was able to score more effectively. So, I wouldn't put too much blame on JO's tonight. When it counted, he came through (from the line and with his defense!).

Bball
01-13-2008, 12:58 AM
I think I need to post this in the Brichard's losing interest thread. I had no idea there was a game tonight. I just happened to be checking PD and got curious and hit the 'back' button to check the schedule and saw there was a 10 O clock game. This was at about 2+ hrs after tip off. I tuned in to see the final 9 secs.

I used to always know the schedule at least for a week out. Now it's starting to be lucky if I know 24hrs ahead of time sometimes.

-Bball

NuffSaid
01-13-2008, 12:59 AM
I saw nothing from Jeff's time on the floor that would explain why he didn't come back in the game. I know the Kings wouldn't have double-teamed him like they did JO, but I'm not sure that explains it.
That's exactly why we didn't see more of Foster out there. He's a great rebounder and defender, but he doesn't command double teams the way JO does.

I like Foster tons, but when you're up against a quick team like the Kings and you really need for their defense to work harder, believe me when I say you don't want Foster out there for too long especially when he's up against a Center who can score and/or pass fairly well.

kester99
01-13-2008, 01:03 AM
If you guys don't think JO played really well in the 4th Quarter than I'm guessing your prejudice is so far beyond reason that it's pointless for me to even try to post something that would make you realize how critical his play in the final period was to our victory tonight.

(and, yes, I'm well aware of his shooting percentage. Missing shots doesn't equal playing bad.)

Peace, JayRedd. Was thinking more in terms of Jeff's lack of minutes...JO drew a lot of doubles, important to our outside game, and made 8-10 FTs. I'm not criticizing him. Just kind of wondering if Jeff is going to get the short straw as (if) we keep going to small ball.

NuffSaid
01-13-2008, 01:04 AM
Oh great, we squeaked out a win against a depleted Kings squad...I'm jumping for joy....really, this doesn't do a thing torwards getting us into rebuild mode. We need to just lose the next 10 so that pacer nation is demanding a rebuild by the deadline and we blow it up. Boom goes the dynamite.
Dude, um...why don't you just...go to sleep. It's late and you're obviously cranky. Night-night.

I think perhaps the Pacers could build on this. I doubt they'll win both games against the Warriors, but I'm hopeful that they can. Maybe they've finally found a winning formula in going 1 Big, 4 "small" out there. We shall see over the next 8 games or so.

mb221
01-13-2008, 01:06 AM
I don't get all the JO hate from the game tonight. The Pacers continued to dump it to him because Sac was quickly double teaming any time he touched the ball in the post. They applied some good pressure and forced him to turn it over more times than you would like, but overall he played a pretty quality game. Got to the line 10 times and dished out 5 assists. Isn't that the type of game that all you people whining about him want? Not to mention the fact he probably could have had 8+ assists if the open shots the double team was producing would have been hit.

JayRedd
01-13-2008, 01:11 AM
Not to mention the fact he probably could have had 8+ assists if the open shots the double team was producing would have been hit.

Shhhhh....We're pretending that didn't happen.

You're supposed to be concentrating on the really important plays...like when he missed a 15-footer with 6 seconds left on the shot clock after we passed the ball around the perimeter for 18 seconds and then forced the ball into him after he had already lost all post position.

You're clearly not on-board with the current propaganda program. Do some research before you post around here please, would ya.

Doddage
01-13-2008, 01:16 AM
It is a tragedy, though, that Foster only got 2 minutes tonight.

Reckoner
01-13-2008, 01:17 AM
I like how Rush has been quietly contributing for quite a stretch now.

Roaming Gnome
01-13-2008, 01:18 AM
Whoops, I thought that this game was Sunday night...Damn!

Kemo
01-13-2008, 01:38 AM
As I said in the game thread , that no one is posting in anymore, lol ... I wanted to say .. Dunleavy had a real nice game too.

When Dun throws up 15 to 20 shots .. he has good games like this and scores at least 18 to 20+ points on 60% FG shooting .. ..
But if you notice in games he seems quiet .. he only shoots 8 or 9 FG's .. like he isn't confident in his shot.....

I think he is coming around in his confidence though and more agressive in looking for his shot..... plus , he has a good FG% anyways..

I think we will see his point averages per game go up to around 19 PPG by the time the season is over...


I really think we NEEDED this WIN .. to get the spark back in our players eyes ...
I look for us to have a mostly winning road trip out West ... and go on a nice streak..

As long as JOB stays with this lineup .. we WILL WIN...

Dr. Goldfoot
01-13-2008, 01:42 AM
I thought it was last night and that I'd missed it 'cause I was playing at some bar on the southside. I came to this forum to see who won and found out there was something for me to do tonight. It all worked out well for me. It is a shame Foster only played 2 minutes...is that even correct.

kester99
01-13-2008, 02:04 AM
It is a shame Foster only played 2 minutes...is that even correct.

Yeah...2:15. Won't complain about anything that ends in a win, but I do wonder how Jeff's floor time is going to fare with a small ball line-up. Not much of an offensive threat compared to JO and Murph (as someone else here pointed out), so he may be the odd man out as aften as not.

Hicks
01-13-2008, 02:09 AM
Why didn't Tinsley play in the second half?

Dr. Goldfoot
01-13-2008, 02:14 AM
Technically, he did start the second half. Diener was playing out of his mind and frankly Tinsley looked tired all night long. I still don't see the point in playing someone nearly 20 minutes straight for the second game in a row. Jamaal did that VS the Suns and Travis did that tonight. Surely there's a better way to divy up the minutes.

kester99
01-13-2008, 02:17 AM
Why didn't Tinsley play in the second half?

He did. Left at 5:11 of the 3rd. We had a 65-53 lead at half. It was 71-67 when JT sat down. Didn't come back in.

I draw no conclusions, but them's the facts.

jmoney2584
01-13-2008, 02:30 AM
Dude, um...why don't you just...go to sleep. It's late and you're obviously cranky. Night-night.

I think perhaps the Pacers could build on this. I doubt they'll win both games against the Warriors, but I'm hopeful that they can. Maybe they've finally found a winning formula in going 1 Big, 4 "small" out there. We shall see over the next 8 games or so.

Not sleepy, just not lulled into a false sense of hope by a our over achieving squad. It may sound un-fan like of me, but I refuse to get "to up after a win" as Peck always quotes, especially against a team like Sacto. A real fan looks for the future of the franchise, not just the current. I would rather lose for 2-3 and win for 10 than win for 2 years and lose for 8. Just my opinion. Thanks for the recommendation to sleep though, I might just do that now that MSU lost and I'm headed to the IU/ U of I game tomorrow to watch a team with an actual chance to win a championship this year.

Unclebuck
01-13-2008, 02:38 AM
I really, really like the way Diener runs the offense. The way he willingly throws the ball ahead, the leadership and demeanor he demonstrates on the court I think is perfect. Yes, I realize his defense isn't good, and I realize he cannot penetrate against a set defense very well, but I really like his game. He has a certain toughness or confidence that is surprising - he isn't afraid.

I'm liking the small ball

kester99
01-13-2008, 02:50 AM
I'm liking the small ball

Yep. Big yep.

I'm wondering if we might quit seeing such a difference in FTAs, us vs them, with the smaller, better spaced, more slashing line-up? True in the Kings game, although, yeh, just one game...but wouldn't that be a nice long-term benefit. That free throw differential has been damaging.

jmoney2584
01-13-2008, 02:51 AM
I'm not all debbie downer on this win, i am definitely pleased with the individual pluses in this game. Diener=bravo, I always like me some Sean Williams, he just always seems smooth. Thats about it, if they can do this against a quality team with this whole small ball game they are running I will be a little more impressed, but when the only two teams you have beaten in the last 10 games are the Kings and the Hawks then that is not saying much no matter WHO played well.

waterjater
01-13-2008, 03:12 AM
I don't get all the JO hate from the game tonight. The Pacers continued to dump it to him because Sac was quickly double teaming any time he touched the ball in the post. They applied some good pressure and forced him to turn it over more times than you would like, but overall he played a pretty quality game. Got to the line 10 times and dished out 5 assists. Isn't that the type of game that all you people whining about him want? Not to mention the fact he probably could have had 8+ assists if the open shots the double team was producing would have been hit.


Funny, how folks who like him see all the good he did and those of us who don't saw the oppostite....guess it goes with the territory. Even the one King fan on the board tonight was happy everytime JO came in because they'd go from 10 down to within a couple points because everytime he came in....we'd force feed him, he'd either have the ball stolen or throw up a bad shot and the other team would come back.

He never goes for offensive rebounds...stands around and watches the ball hit the floor and a Sacremento guy pick it up. Blocks one shot...acts like he's God's gift to basketball and loafs around woofing about it rather than going down court and helping the team score. Then he gets fouled hard and starts woofing at the player that fouled him. Still very immature. A) your supposed to block shots, get rebounds and make shots...stop gloating about one measly block. B) your going to get fouled hard, get over it and knock down the free throws.

As someone suggested, we really need to treat him like Bob Sanders last year and Marvin this year and just keep him out of games until he's near 100% and practicing regularly. Its painful to watch him play at about 50%.

And yes the FTs at the end were important...but he's not bringing his A game anymore.

Water

pwee31
01-13-2008, 03:14 AM
I think these last 2 games, we've seen the Diener that a lot of us expected after the signing, and the same guy Orlando fans hated to see go. Hope he can stay consistent and healthy b/c he could be a valuable player for us.

Especially at the PG position where Tinsley is hit or miss, both on and off the court.

I actually think we would have won the Suns game had he not hurt his ankle.

Will Galen
01-13-2008, 03:22 AM
It is a tragedy, though, that Foster only got 2 minutes tonight.

NO IT'S NOT! WE WON!

CableKC
01-13-2008, 04:57 AM
I just got home from the Kings/Pacers game and wanted to upload the few pictures that actually came out half-way decent:

Granger and JONeal came out about 45 minutes before the start of the game to practice some shots:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8060/pacergrangerpracticingsaj5.jpg

This is the closest that I have ever been to JONeal:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6870/pacerskings20080112joneis4.jpg

Here is JONeal shaking Artest's hand before the start of the game:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/378/pacerskings20080112jonekj6.jpg

More Artest sitting and watching:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/328/pacersartestww4.jpg

Tip Off:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3789/pacerskings20080112starbm0.jpg

Dunleavy taking a FT Shot:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3082/pacerskings20080112dunllq8.jpg

Proof that Foster played:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9164/pacerskings20080112fostjj3.jpg

Marquis, Shawne, Diener, Murphy and Dunleavy:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5094/pacerskings20080112linemc4.jpg

Dunleavy Jumpball with Francisco Garcia ( I think he lost this jumpball ):
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6558/pacerskings20080112dunlrz8.jpg

I will post more about the few comments that I have about this game.

QuickRelease
01-13-2008, 06:11 AM
:( RONNIE!!!!!!!! :cry:

owl
01-13-2008, 06:47 AM
Is the Diener-mobile still running? If not someone needs to put some gas in and fire
that baby up. :-)

BoomBaby33
01-13-2008, 09:50 AM
Dee - ner!!! :cool:

Dee - ner!!! :dance:

Dee - ner!!! :happydanc

Very good game from the young man. He looked confident out there also. Can he stay this consistent though? Its just 2 games so far. I certainly hope so. Remember, he was pretty good in pre-season, then fell off after the season started.

I like how Obie keeps tinkering with the lineup, and that he is going with the people that are hot and staying with them until they start to fail. I know its hard to get consistent chemistry with this but still, I think its good for this team. It keeps everybody on their toes.

I'm surprised nobody has commented on Quisy's rebound throw-down. I didn't read the game thread, and I'm sure it got mentioned there. But I think it deserves mention here too. Thats one of the best dunks from a Pacer that I have seen in a long time. It should be on some highlight reels for a while. Did it make sportscenter's top ten? It had to of, didn't it? In relative basketball terms, it was an easy dunk, but it was absolutely sick watching it. Awesome dunk Quisy!!!!

Oneal07
01-13-2008, 10:45 AM
A lot of people were clowning Diener saying he's garbage and stuff. But I knoew he's a good PG. I hope he plays tonight against Golden State.

They should put Marquis at the 1 and Diener at the two. But still have Diener bring it up the floor. We're usually successful when both of them are in the back court.

Jermaine doesn't even need to shoot the ball. He should be used as a decoy, cause no matter what people say, he's still a low post threat. He got our team so many open shots last night, too bad it was during that stretch when we couldn't hit anything.

But small ball works, and I like the fact that Kareem is in the starting line up. He's just going to get better from here

Oneal07
01-13-2008, 10:48 AM
Dee - ner!!! :cool:

Dee - ner!!! :dance:

Dee - ner!!! :happydanc

Very good game from the young man. He looked confident out there also. Can he stay this consistent though? Its just 2 games so far. I certainly hope so. Remember, he was pretty good in pre-season, then fell off after the season started.

I like how Obie keeps tinkering with the lineup, and that he is going with the people that are hot and staying with them until they start to fail. I know its hard to get consistent chemistry with this but still, I think its good for this team. It keeps everybody on their toes.

I'm surprised nobody has commented on Quisy's rebound throw-down. I didn't read the game thread, and I'm sure it got mentioned there. But I think it deserves mention here too. Thats one of the best dunks from a Pacer that I have seen in a long time. It should be on some highlight reels for a while. Did it make sportscenter's top ten? It had to of, didn't it? In relative basketball terms, it was an easy dunk, but it was absolutely sick watching it. Awesome dunk Quisy!!!!

Yeah, that dunk was nasty, I think he had two dunks in a row, that one, plus the one Jermaine set him up on

aceace
01-13-2008, 12:37 PM
This team has been strange for most of the year. Deiner has somewhat looked like a flop... and then last night played like a guy who could lead a team at the point. Rush has been good lately when he also looked bad for a time. Making many of us believe that both were not going to be significant to the team. Quis's dunk was top dunk of the night on NBA.com... it was sick to watch. My local paper wrote an article about Tin and how he basically lost the game in o/t against Phx by taking all the shots. IMHO Deiners going to see more PT if Tin does not become a more pass first PG. It was nice to see the team step up at the end considering we have lost 5-6 games in the last 5 minutes.

Please don't think I'm comparing Deiner to Nash here. Last night he looked a lot like Nash in the way he was getting the ball up the court (very fast). It was somewhat impressive, by far our best PG play of the year. It helps to go 5-7 from 3, but the rest of his game was just as impressive.

croz24
01-13-2008, 02:12 PM
well, winning surely doesn't help our chances of getting eric gordon...

CableKC
01-13-2008, 02:27 PM
About Tinsley not playing....I have no clue as to why he sat out the majority of the game. I heard on the Kings Post-Game radio show that he was listed as questionable. It's possible that there was some valid reason as to why he wasn't playing that many minutes.

As for Diener......I will admit that I was surprised that he took so many shots AND actually hitting them. Watching him play up close, he was trying to direct the players to get to their spots and was vocal. He was super quick and because of his size...he was able to get around. There was a play where Beno and ( I think ) Brad Miller ( or someone big ) was double-teaming him, and he was able to somehow squeeze out between the two of them and pass the ball out to Shawne or Dunleavy.

However, I don't want to take away from how he was doing ( cuz he did a good job ), but I think that his performance would have been different if he was playing against a far better PG like Bibby instead of Beno. Beno is basically the same type of quick and small scoring PG that Diener is....the difference is that Beno drives to the hoop more and Diener scores more from the outside....but in the end...both are backup quality PGs that can work out in the right situation.

I hope that Diener does continue to get some decent minutes as a backup PG....but against the Warriors...I think that he's going to simply be abused by Baron. Baron is simply bigger, way stronger and a way better scorer.

Trader Joe
01-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Two good games from Diener and half the board forgets about the 22 other **** poor performances...

Glad we won, but c'mon people Diener has not done enough to be getting some of the praise he is receiving.

aceace
01-13-2008, 03:10 PM
Two good games from Diener and half the board forgets about the 22 other **** poor performances...

Glad we won, but c'mon people Diener has not done enough to be getting some of the praise he is receiving.
I think its more about finally seeing him come through. There were high hopes of him being a really good backup before the season. There were times I wondered why did the Pacers sign him for 3 years. Obviously the last two games is what DW/Bird saw, potential to be solid.

VF21
01-13-2008, 03:17 PM
I think it's because they had no real low-post threat to worry about - might as well put Shawne out there instead. I liked how Dunleavy was guarding Mikki Moore tonight - that worked out surprisingly well.

Not to be contrary or anything, but "guarding Mikki Moore" doesn't exactly require much defensive prowess.

I was truly impressed with Travis Diener and will give props to Mike Dunleavy who certainly seems to be flourishing in your offense.

As far as Jermaine O'Neal goes, I have him on one of my fantasy teams and he's been a major disappointment. From an outsider's POV, he just doesn't look like he cares. Last minute heroics notwithstanding, he did nothing to even resemble a franchise player.

But that's just my two cents. Now, please go into the Warriors camp and kick some major butt. Thanks ever so. :)

kester99
01-13-2008, 03:25 PM
I think its more about finally seeing him come through.

True. And we have the Rush story to base some hope for Diener on. Same bad start, and now a pretty decent utility player, who may be a regular starter now if you believe the scouting report at pacers.com.

The very limited minutes in the other 22 games Diener played in weren't too impressive, but showed a couple of his strengths -- speed and being a spark for the team when he came in.

Maybe, with the extended minutes he's going to be getting (and Shawne) we'll see accelerated improvement from the youngsters. Heck, Ike might even start getting some more minutes and a chance to develop more, also, if O'B thinks he's got the size to be that one big on the floor with small-ball. He's got the mobility.

CableKC
01-13-2008, 03:26 PM
Jermaine doesn't even need to shoot the ball. He should be used as a decoy, cause no matter what people say, he's still a low post threat. He got our team so many open shots last night, too bad it was during that stretch when we couldn't hit anything.
Over the first half....I noticed that JONeal was barely used in the offensive end. At that point...we were able to build a good lead going into the half.

But when we started to try to get the ball to him more in the 2nd half....as expected....he was double and triple teamed whenever he got the ball.

As some have pointed out.....he either turned around and tried to score ( and miss ), turned it over ( which mainly happened ) or would pass it out and the wing player would miss. Although the player movement was slightly better, the rest of the team has to make more of an effort to move around to get into position for JONeal to pass to. I think that this has always been the key to playing JONeal ball, the players not only have to hit the shots when JONeal is able to pass the ball to them...they have to move around and get into the right spot for him to pass the ball to. Unfortunately, I still think that the team has a problem in trying to rotate around the perimeter to try to get to a spot where JONeal can see and pass the ball to.

However, getting JONeal more involved in the offense more is part of the reason why we started to lose the lead. Doing this, coupled with the rest of the team settling for 3pt shots is what lost us the lead AND having no answer for Kevin Martin is what made the game close.


But small ball works, and I like the fact that Kareem is in the starting line up. He's just going to get better from here
I think that what we will see more problems with players attacking the basket due to our Small Ball lineup.

When Kevin Martin stepped onto the court, I really thought that he would kill us from the perimeter. But because we only have 1 Big Man on the court......JONeal or a far less effective interior defender like Murphy....it makes it easier for players that are good at penetrating to the hoop to score. The majority of the points that Kevin Martin scored was from him attacking the hoop.

I think that it's going to be difficult for us to effectively implement our "pack it in and have them beat us from the perimeter" defense if we continue to play small ball. At least if Foster plays he can defend the paint ( way better then Murphy ) and Murphy can continue to shoot from the perimeter.

CableKC
01-13-2008, 03:28 PM
Two good games from Diener and half the board forgets about the 22 other **** poor performances...

Glad we won, but c'mon people Diener has not done enough to be getting some of the praise he is receiving.
I agree with you that Deiner is more of a "situational" PG that can be used against the right lineup....but it doesn't detract from the way that he has played over the last 2 games.

In fact....if he hadn't hit those 3pt shots yesterday in the 4th QTR....I don't think that we would have won the game.

BruceLeeroy
01-13-2008, 04:13 PM
Cable, nice pics. Looks like you had nice seats. I'm curious, what was Tinsleys demeanor during the second half when the Pacers were playing well with Diener at point.

LoneGranger33
01-13-2008, 05:38 PM
Not to be contrary or anything, but "guarding Mikki Moore" doesn't exactly require much defensive prowess.

That's exactly why I said it. It sure helped our small ball efforts that Dunleavy only had to cover Mikki, who I like as much as the next guy, but obviously isn't an offensive threat.

CableKC
01-13-2008, 07:14 PM
Cable, nice pics. Looks like you had nice seats. I'm curious, what was Tinsleys demeanor during the second half when the Pacers were playing well with Diener at point.
I tried to look for him when I realized that Diener was going to finish out the game....but I didn't have a chance to really look for him on the bench cuz I was too busy worrying about the team losing the lead ( especially when they were jacking up 3s ).

He did so little throughout the game that I really didn't have any impression of him at all.

But don't misread my impressions of him....there was nothing to indicate that he was upset or that he wasn't feeling too good.

Naptown_Seth
01-13-2008, 11:56 PM
Shhhhh....We're pretending that didn't happen.

You're supposed to be concentrating on the really important plays...like when he missed a 15-footer with 6 seconds left on the shot clock after we passed the ball around the perimeter for 18 seconds and then forced the ball into him after he had already lost all post position.

You're clearly not on-board with the current propaganda program. Do some research before you post around here please, would ya.
QFT, and again I'm sure post-GS game.

I know he's not himself on offense, but he can score the ball and does draw attention. On top of that if you look at his block/assist average the last 10-20 games it's out of this world. It's not like he's loading up a ton of 5-19 with 6 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk+stl here.

My one issue in the Kings game was why they insisted on attacking him so hard before he'd proven anything. I thought their doubles were a mistake personally, but as long as they were willing to oblige why not keep feeding it.

Naptown_Seth
01-14-2008, 12:01 AM
BTW CableKC, did you see the FSMW coverage, was that you that made the broadcast? I saw a couple of guys they featured and one had a retro jersey, the 70's or early 80's single stripe running down it. You guys or some other fans down low?