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Kofi
05-05-2008, 06:34 PM
Kofi -

Why all the sudden did you change your mind on EG? What has changed for you to think he would be a good fit here?

Just curious...

Draft position. Beforehand we were picking around #8, now we're at #11, which I think is good value for Gordon.

duke dynamite
05-05-2008, 06:49 PM
Yeah, I agree. I just hope he is ready.

Hicks
05-05-2008, 07:11 PM
Just for the record, if we wind up getting any one of Gordon, Love, or Westbrook at #11, I'll be a very happy boy.

I'd be intrigued by any of those pics.

AesopRockOn
05-05-2008, 08:09 PM
I'd be intrigued by any of those pics.

Is mellifluous really Stephon? :-o

Will Galen
05-05-2008, 08:20 PM
I'd be intrigued by any of those pics.

Most all of the lottery picks are just 19 and 20 years old. You could strike gold right away or wind up with fools gold. I think all of them are intriguing in some ways.

Anthem
05-06-2008, 01:42 PM
But who do we take if we get the 3rd pick? Bruno says Bird is interested in a point guard or a power player. That would probably be Brook Lopez, or Bayless
At #3, I'd probably see if anybody in the top 8 wanted to trade up, and what they'd offer.

Major Cold
05-06-2008, 08:03 PM
If we get the 3rd I would want Bayless.

jmoney2584
05-06-2008, 09:17 PM
EJ at #11 is great value for him, but I don't see him falling to us, no way no how. That would make my year. I'd prefer Mayo though...

Hicks
05-06-2008, 09:56 PM
Draft Express now has New Jersey taking Augustine at 10 and the Pacers taking Westbrook.

rexnom
05-06-2008, 09:57 PM
Draft Express now has New Jersey taking Augustine at 10 and the Pacers taking Westbrook.
I am good with that.

I don't get why NJ would take another PG but sure, I'll take Westbrook.

Anthem
05-06-2008, 10:22 PM
I'd be thrilled if Augustin went top-10. That way I wouldn't have to worry about Larry picking him.

rexnom
05-06-2008, 10:25 PM
I'd be thrilled if Augustin went top-10. That way I wouldn't have to worry about Larry picking him.
The Indiana Pacers' fanbase's faith in their GM, ladies and gentlemen!

pwee31
05-06-2008, 11:09 PM
nbadraft.net has Gordon going #12 now. That would be interesting when the Pacers make a selection

Hicks
05-06-2008, 11:13 PM
The longer I've observed this stuff, the more holes I've seen people poke in nbadraft.net. I don't take them seriously anymore, and I would recommend anyone who does to be cautious.

pwee31
05-06-2008, 11:19 PM
The longer I've observed this stuff, the more holes I've seen people poke in nbadraft.net. I don't take them seriously anymore, and I would recommend anyone who does to be cautious.

I don't necessarily take them seriously, but they do tend to get more accurate as the draft gets closer. Not saying that's saying much either, but he was slotted at #5 early and now is at #11. So it's definitely intriguing.

Also noticed they don't have Speights being drafted till next year so... :hmm: haha

Anthem
05-06-2008, 11:25 PM
The longer I've observed this stuff, the more holes I've seen people poke in nbadraft.net. I don't take them seriously anymore, and I would recommend anyone who does to be cautious.
All the mocks mess up, though. Just looking at it right now, it seems like they were pretty solid last year.

All I'm saying is that any one of Love/Westbrook/Gordon would be just fine for me at #11. And odds are good one of them falls to us. There's not a mock out there that has all of them gone at #11.

pwee31
05-06-2008, 11:52 PM
A lot of mock's have us taking Augustin, which leads me to believe.... we're not going to get Augustin

DGPR
05-07-2008, 03:06 AM
Sometimes I think I'd love to have Augustin on our team. A high character guy who has done nothing but try his best all the time.

And then I think about Mateen Cleaves too.....


I'd still take my chances on Augustin if Westbrook or Gordon aren't there.

Speed
05-07-2008, 08:22 AM
Sometimes I think I'd love to have Augustin on our team. A high character guy who has done nothing but try his best all the time.

And then I think about Mateen Cleaves too.....


I'd still take my chances on Augustin if Westbrook or Gordon aren't there.

Me too, this would be great if one of these 3 fall, and Love intrigues me. So that's 4 guys who one of them could be there. I still think Westbrook and Gordon will shoot up in the top 7 when they start doing workouts. Westbrook is a freak athletically and should have some jaws dropping, which sucks because at 11 he could be a great pick. The kid would instantly become the Pacers best perimeter defender.

esabyrn333
05-07-2008, 08:36 AM
I'll just take EJ and DJ and call it a day. :cool:

Will Galen
05-07-2008, 09:41 AM
The longer I've observed this stuff, the more holes I've seen people poke in nbadraft.net. I don't take them seriously anymore, and I would recommend anyone who does to be cautious.

I look at Ford's top 100 on ESPN and Draft express almost exclusively.

Speed
05-07-2008, 09:46 AM
I look at Ford's top 100 on ESPN and Draft express almost exclusively.

Ya, but you have to be an insider for the ESPN, right?

Will Galen
05-07-2008, 09:55 AM
Ya, but you have to be an insider for the ESPN, right?
YES.

Major Cold
05-07-2008, 10:25 AM
Post it? PLease?

Hicks
05-07-2008, 11:10 AM
Here's the top 100 right now. Sorry I don't have time to format it.

ESPN.com Insider
Chad Ford
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/rank?draftyear=2008

Top 100
RK NAME POS HT WT AGE SCHOOL/COUNTRY PROJECTION
1 Michael Beasley PF 6-10 235 19 Kansas State Top 2
On talent, he's the best player in college basketball and a virtual lock for either... more
2 Derrick Rose PG 6-3 205 19 Memphis Top 2
The best pure point guard in the draft draws some comparisons to both Deron Williams... more
3 O.J. Mayo SG 6-4 195 20 USC Top 10
Mayo began the season as a potential No. 1 pick, dipped into the late lottery... more
4 Jerryd Bayless PG 6-3 190 19 Arizona Top 10
Bayless' combination of elite athleticism, shooting ability and quickness make him an excellent NBA prospect.... more
5 Brook Lopez C 7-0 260 20 Stanford Top 10
Brook's stellar play toward the end of his freshman season turned a lot of NBA... more
6 Anthony Randolph PF 6-11 220 18 LSU Top 10
Randolph is generating significant buzz from trusted NBA scouts. If he were playing for a... more
7 Eric Gordon SG 6-4 215 19 Indiana Top 10
Coming into the season, many scouts felt that Gordon was as talented as O.J. Mayo... more
8 D.J. Augustin PG 6-0 180 20 Texas Lottery
Augustin was one of the two or three best freshmen point guards in the country... more
9 Russell Westbrook PG 6-3 189 19 UCLA Lottery
A draft sleeper. Many NBA scouts believe he's the best prospect on the UCLA team.... more
10 DeAndre Jordan C 7-0 255 20 Texas A&M Lottery
On talent and physical ability, he's got the makings of a Top 5 pick. Jordan... more
11 Kevin Love C 6-10 275 19 UCLA Lottery
Love's game is old-school with a flair for the spectacular. He's an amazing college player,... more
12 Marreese Speights C 6-10 245 19 Florida Lottery to mid first round
With Al Horford and Joakim Noah in the NBA, a lot fell on Speight's large... more
13 Danilo Gallinari SF 6-9 212 19 Italy Lottery to mid first round
Many in Italy feel he's a better long-term prospect than Andrea Bargnani. Right now his... more
14 Kosta Koufos C 7-0 265 19 Ohio State Lottery to mid first round
His excellent play in the summer for the Greek national team seems to have only... more
15 Chase Budinger SG 6-7 205 20 Arizona Lottery to mid first round
Budinger had a great freshman season at Arizona but didn't really build on his success... more
16 Darrell Arthur PF 6-10 225 20 Kansas Lottery to mid first round
On potential, he's one of the top dozen prospects in the country, however his sophomore... more
17 Donte Greene SF 6-10 225 20 Syracuse Lottery to mid first round
Versatile forward got off to a hot start for Syracuse. He cooled a bit in... more
18 JaVale McGee C 7-0 237 20 Nevada Lottery to mid first round
Right now he's one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. He's still a year... more
19 Joe Alexander SF 6-8 230 21 West Virginia Mid to late first round
He's an intriguing prospect. Several scouts have him as a mid to late first rounder... more
20 Brandon Rush SG 6-7 205 22 Kansas Mid to late first round
Rush finally seems like he's fully recovered from his ACL injury and put up impressive... more
21 Robin Lopez C 7-0 245 20 Stanford Mid to late first round
He's not as talented as his brother, Brook, but he too has NBA potential. He's... more
22 Nicolas Batum SF 6-8 210 19 France Mid to late first round
His dominance at the 2007 Nike Hoop Summit had many believing he would be a... more
23 Roy Hibbert C 7-2 275 21 Georgetown Mid to late first round
He's been all over the boards with scouts over the past few years. They love... more
24 Chris Douglas-Roberts SG 6-6 195 21 Memphis Mid to late first round
Douglas-Roberts is one of the more under-rated players in the country. He really benefited from... more
25 J. J. Hickson PF 6-9 240 19 NC State Mid to late first round
A rising young player who has had a stellar freshman season for NC State. Teams... more
26 Ty Lawson PG 5-11 195 20 North Carolina Mid to late first round
Lawson led the charge on one of the best teams in the country. His speed,... more
27 Ante Tomic C 7-2 237 21 Croatia Late first to early second
Tomic is big-time prospect. He has a rare combination of size, skill and athletic ability.... more
28 Bill Walker SF 6-6 235 20 Kansas State Late first to early second
Walker's second ACL injury ended all the talk about him being a top-five pick. Given... more
29 Serge Ibaka PF 6-10 220 18 Congo Late first to early second
Ibaka got some hype this summer at an Adidas camp and international scouts will follow... more
30 D.J. White PF 6-9 240 21 Indiana Late first to early second
White is finally healthy and had a stellar senior season in Indiana. If he can... more
31 Jason Thompson PF 6-11 250 21 Rider Late first to early second
32 Alexis Ajinca PF 7-1 240 20 France Late first to early second
33 Courtney Lee SG 6-5 200 22 Western Kentucky Late first to early second
34 Richard Hendrix PF 6-9 260 21 Alabama Late first to early second
35 Wayne Ellington SG 6-5 175 20 North Carolina Late first to early second
36 Mario Chalmers PG 6-2 170 21 Kansas Late first to early second.
37 Davon Jefferson SF 6-8 215 21 USC Late first to early second
38 John Riek C 7-2 230 18 Prep School Late first to early second
39 Shan Foster SG 6-6 205 21 Vanderbilt Late first to early second
40 Victor Claver SF 6-11 217 19 Spain Late first to early second
41 Ryan Anderson PF 6-10 225 20 California Late first to early second
42 Nathan Jawai C 6-10 270 21 Australia Late first to early second
43 Trent Plaisted C 6-11 245 21 BYU Late first to early second.
44 DeVon Hardin C 6-11 250 21 California Late first to early second
45 Joey Dorsey PF 6-9 260 22 Memphis Late first to early second
46 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 6-7 215 21 UCLA Late first to early second
47 Omer Asik C 6-11 230 21 Turkey Late first to early second
48 Keith Brumbaugh SF 6-10 215 22 Hillsborough Community College Late first to early second
49 Jamont Gordon SG 6-4 225 21 Mississippi St. Late first to early second
50 Rudy Mbemba PG 6-0 186 20 Sweden Late first to early second
51 Nikola Pekovic C 6-11 245 22 Serbia Second round to undrafted
52 Lester Hudson SG 6-3 190 23 Tenn. Martin Second round to undrafted
53 Omri Casspi SF 6-7 206 19 Israel Second round to undrafted
54 Danny Green SF 6-5 210 20 North Carolina Second round to undrafted
55 Giorgi Shermadini C 7-0 250 19 Georgia Second round to undrafted
56 Robert Vaden SG 6-5 224 23 UAB Second round to undrafted
57 Rodrigue Beaubois PG 6-2 170 20 France Second round to undrafted
58 Tyrone Brazelton PG 6-0 180 Western Kentucky Second round to undrafted
59 Malik Hairston SG 6-6 200 21 Oregon Second round to undrafted
60 Nando De Colo PG 6-5 185 20 France Late first to early second
61 Kyle Weaver SG 6-6 185 22 Washington State Second round to undrafted
62 Pat Calathes SF 6-10 210 22 St. Joseph's Second round to undrafted
63 C.J. Giles C 6-11 235 22 Oregon State Second round to undrafted
64 Robert Dozier SF 6-9 215 22 Memphis Second round to undrafted
65 Sasha Kaun C 6-11 250 23 Kansas Second round to undrafted
66 Goran Dragic PG 6-4 200 22 Slovenia Second round to undrafted.
67 Ronald Steele PG 6-2 185 23 Alabama Second round to undrafted
68 David Padgett C 6-11 230 23 Louisville Second round to undrafted
69 Alonzo Gee SG 6-6 229 20 Alabama Second round to undrafted
70 Bryce Taylor SG 6-5 205 21 Oregon Second round to undrafted
71 Jeremy Pargo PG 6-2 220 22 Gonzaga Second round to undrafted
72 Shawn James PF 6-10 225 24 Duquesne Second round to undrafted
73 Aleks Maric C 6-11 270 23 Nebraska Second round to undrafted
74 Leo Lyons PF 6-9 240 Missouri Second round to undrafted
75 Jerel McNeal SG 6-3 200 20 Marquette Second round to undrafted
76 Anton Ponkrashov PG 6-8 214 22 Russia Second round to undrafted
77 James Gist PF 6-9 235 21 Maryland Second round to undrafted
78 Semih Erden C 7-1 240 21 Turkey Second round to undrafted
79 Darnell Jackson PF 6-8 250 22 Kansas Second round to undrafted
80 Joe Ingles SF 6-8 200 20 Australia Second round to undrafted
81 J. R. Giddens SG 6-5 200 23 New Mexico Second round to undrafted
82 Stefon Jackson SG 6-5 185 23 UTEP Second round to undrafted
83 Mantas Kalnietis PG 6-5 194 21 Lithuania Second round to undrafted
84 Antonio Anderson SG 6-6 210 22 Memphis Second round to undrafted
85 Luc Louves SF 6-9 200 19 France Second round to undrafted
86 Josh Shipp SG 6-5 220 22 UCLA Second round to undrafted.
87 Chris Lofton SG 6-2 197 22 Tennessee Second round to undrafted
88 DeMarre Carroll PF 6-8 235 21 Missouri Second round to undrafted
89 George Hill PG 6-2 180 22 Indianapolis Second round to undrafted
90 Richard Roby SG 6-5 210 22 Colorado Second round to undrafted
91 Gary Forbes SF 6-7 220 23 Massachusetts Second round to undrafted
92 Uros Tripkovic SG 6-5 190 21 Serbia Second round to undrafted
93 Derrick Caracter PF 6-9 286 20 Louisville Second round to undrafted
94 Kentrell Gransberry PF 6-9 270 22 South Florida Second round to undrafted
95 Peja Samaradziski C 7-1 255 22 Macedonia Second Round to undrafted
96 Josh Duncan SF 6-8 225 21 Xavier Second round to undrafted
97 Will Daniels SF 6-8 225 22 Rhode Island Second round to undrafted
98 Vladimir Gulubovic PF 7-0 260 22 Serbia Second round to undrafted
99 Charles Rhodes PF 6-8 245 22 Mississippi St. Second round to undrafted
100 Josh Carter SG 6-7 200 21 Texas A&M Second round to undrafted

Speed
05-07-2008, 11:38 AM
If you go by Fords list

1 & 2 - Rose and Beasley

3-7 Top Ten
Mayo
Bayless
B. Lopez
Anthony Randolph
Gordon

7-11 Lottery
Augustin
Westbrook
DeAndre Jordan
Love

12-18 Lottery to Mid first round
Speights
Gallinari SF
Koufos
Chase Budinger
Darrell Arthur
Donte Greene SF
Javale McGee

Not to speculate, but I will. If you move up, you need to at least move up to 7 assuming 1 or 2 are untouchable. Or if you trade down it should be no lower than 16 since there are two small forwards in this group, which isn't a need at the moment. Just an observation.

Major Cold
05-07-2008, 11:48 AM
thanks

If Shipp goes undrafted he will return to UCLA Randolph style.

Major Cold
05-07-2008, 11:49 AM
Again I really don't see Gallinari to drop out of the top 12.

Doddage
05-07-2008, 03:37 PM
I'd be in support of selecting DeAndre Jordan, if he's available. The dude could be a steal if he fulfills his potential, and it takes longer for a big man to develop than a point guard, so I think it'd be a good idea to get our move on as soon as possible.

Jonathan
05-07-2008, 03:42 PM
Robert Vaden, I forgot about him being in the draft. I think we should look to sign him if he goes undrafted. I think he could fit well into JOB's system. The kid can stroke the 3.

Gamble1
05-07-2008, 04:33 PM
I'd be in support of selecting DeAndre Jordan, if he's available. The dude could be a steal if he fulfills his potential, and it takes longer for a big man to develop than a point guard, so I think it'd be a good idea to get our move on as soon as possible.

It takes alot longer for someone to start carring about their profession.

Doddage
05-07-2008, 05:12 PM
If we want to get a center that can fit the system, as well as someone who'd likely be the BPA at our pick, Jordan would make a lot of sense. Athletic, quick big man that can run the floor and block shots. Fits the bill of exactly what we need.

Ok, he's made some questionable decisions on the court which puts his work ethic into question. Everyone knows that. But, really, are there any legit point guards with notable potential that we can get with our pick? The rule of thumb for this draft as it relates to point guards is Rose, Mayo (even though he's a natural SG really), Bayless, or bust. You might find a serviceable point guard at our pick, but we obviously need more than that. Thus, we should really find a talent with more potential at a position we incidentally need to shore up. There's no doubt that DAJ is a project, but seeing as he was a top 5-star prospect out of high school and has serious potential, I'm willing to take my chances.

With that said, I'd be willing to give our pick up if it meant moving up and having the ability to draft Mayo.

rexnom
05-07-2008, 06:02 PM
I am really high on Mayo. I think he would be perfect for the Pacers. He'll take the big shots, he can run the point in Obie's system, he'll D up. Getting him will be easier said than done, however.

AesopRockOn
05-07-2008, 06:06 PM
I am really high on Mayo. I think he would be perfect for the Pacers. He'll take the big shots, he can run the point in Obie's system, he'll D up. Getting him will be easier said than done, however.

This has been my view since he was in high school. :D

Jonathan
05-08-2008, 10:59 AM
I checked nbadraft.net yesterday and they had EJ going 12th & the Pacers selecting Love at 11. My thoughts on this topic have been posted in this thread several weeks ago.

Major Cold
05-08-2008, 11:31 AM
the mock drafts are horrible right now. They need to get it together.

MyFavMartin
05-08-2008, 12:14 PM
the mock drafts are horrible right now. They need to get it together.

nbadraft.net is.

any other ones you don't like?

Naptown_Seth
05-08-2008, 12:19 PM
thanks

If Shipp goes undrafted he will return to UCLA Randolph style.
I'll be surprised if it doesn't go down that way. He looked good early on but over the final month/tourney he showed that he wasn't ready yet.


I really wish that Beasties (well Adam Y) doc on Rucker was hitting theaters before the draft but I guess it's not going to. Apparently you get to see Love goaded into some street ball dunking and moves after strarting off playing "clean" if you will, layups and stuff. Crowd got on him so I guess he broke out some playground dunks for them.

Lots of Beasley and Bayless too. Donte Green. A few others, plus some not in college yet.

MyFavMartin
05-08-2008, 01:00 PM
I am really high on Mayo. I think he would be perfect for the Pacers. He'll take the big shots, he can run the point in Obie's system, he'll D up. Getting him will be easier said than done, however.

He's good but I don't see him as a PG but rather a SG who can create his own shot and handle the ball very well (sort of like Kobe). Diener is the type of PG to put him next to, i.e. a very good outside shooter, but would need one that could be a a stronger defensive presence (sort of like Derek Fisher).

I agree that Mayo will be hard to acquire and could see him going between #3 and #6 in the draft.

Jonathan
05-08-2008, 03:27 PM
With Sampson getting a job w/ the Bucks do you see them passing on EJ in the first round (possible) or DJ in the second round?
I do not see them passing on DJ if he is available in the second round, but EJ could happen due to the fact they have Williams & RED and the weak C position in the East. I know they have Bogut but he might catch big money elsewhere.

d_c
05-08-2008, 03:32 PM
With Sampson getting a job w/ the Bucks do you see them passing on EJ in the first round (possible) or DJ in the second round?
I do not see them passing on DJ if he is available in the second round, but EJ could happen due to the fact they have Williams & RED and the weak C position in the East. I know they have Bogut but he might catch big money elsewhere.

The Bucks have the rights to match any offer for Bogut (just as the P's do with Granger) and he's already been identified by the Bucks as one of the guys (Yi being the other) who they're not looking to actively trade. Everyone else on the roster is up for sale. He's about as likely to catch big money elsewhere as Granger.

It's highly unlikely the Bucks will draft a center with their lottery pick when that might be the one position they're already most set at.

Doddage
05-09-2008, 06:43 AM
Yeah, Bogut's going nowhere... he's as untouchable to the Bucks as Granger is to the Pacers. The teams of both would require really good deals (and I mean really good) in order to trade them away.

Jonathan
05-09-2008, 10:03 AM
Yeah, Bogut's going nowhere... he's as untouchable to the Bucks as Granger is to the Pacers. The teams of both would require really good deals (and I mean really good) in order to trade them away.

Granger & Bogut would both be gone if a team offers them Rashaad Lewis $. I do not blame the Pacers for not resigning Peja.

Will Galen
05-09-2008, 10:28 AM
Granger & Bogut would both be gone if a team offers them Rashaad Lewis $.

It will never come to that, because the Bucks will extend Bogut, and the Pacers will do likewise with Granger.

Major Cold
05-09-2008, 11:17 AM
Bucks need a SF. Simmons is not their guy and Villi is a PF/tweener. I could see them drafting Mayo, Gallinari, Gordon, or Randolph.

Major Cold
05-09-2008, 11:39 AM
What about Jamont Gordon for a second rounder if we go big in the first.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jamont-Gordon-290/

PacerGuy
05-09-2008, 12:24 PM
Bucks need a SF. Simmons is not their guy and Villi is a PF/tweener. I could see them drafting Mayo, Gallinari, Gordon, or Randolph.

Here's another team to ship Howard to in any JO/Dallas deal. :)
They might do a Redd/Villi for Howard/Daniels/Ike. They draft EG, & they are set. We get a SG, a PF who can shoot, & get the filler/picks from Dallas to make the $ right.

Gotta wonder if moving Redd is on their radar. I could see w/ the EG/ Sampson connection them making that pick (provided LAC doesn't get him @ 6) as thier direction.

Naptown_Seth
05-09-2008, 12:52 PM
the mock drafts are horrible right now. They need to get it together.
Either they aren't hitting the same sources, aren't hitting ANY sources, or it's really just that muddled. All season guys have been all over the map. I didn't know the KS kids till I watched a few early games. I didn't have them as top 15 prospects to start the season. When I saw a few games I was like "who's this Rush kid, who's this Chalmers kid". I think I even said it in this thread, where I was confused about which kid I noticed playing well since I didn't know their team yet.

So the point is that when I started checking up on their story I found them all over the place in mocks. Mid-2nd round, not even coming out till next year, all sorts of combos. And they weren't the only ones. Some of it has been guys rising and falling with actual games, but there's also plenty of confusion too.

I don't even think looking at 5 mocks gives you a strong read. It should be a surprising and interesting draft night.

croz24
05-09-2008, 01:20 PM
mayo was a top 5 pick, then falls outside the top 10, and is now a surefire #3 selection? this is why you can never trust these mock drafts that are generated by people with as much knowledge as the average joe. if nbadraft/draftexpress/realgm/espn/etc had any sort of credibility, you'd see much more consistency across the board. it's not as though oj mayo (and many others "all over the map") forgot how to play halfway through the year...

Anthem
05-09-2008, 01:29 PM
mayo was a top 5 pick, then falls outside the top 10, and is now a surefire #3 selection? this is why you can never trust these mock drafts that are generated by people with as much knowledge as the average joe.
Actually, that was the take by NBA front offices. Read the article.

Speed
05-09-2008, 01:33 PM
mayo was a top 5 pick, then falls outside the top 10, and is now a surefire #3 selection? this is why you can never trust these mock drafts that are generated by people with as much knowledge as the average joe. if nbadraft/draftexpress/realgm/espn/etc had any sort of credibility, you'd see much more consistency across the board. it's not as though oj mayo (and many others "all over the map") forgot how to play halfway through the year...

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=39014 (http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=39014)

This makes it sounds like he’s moved around on the ACTUAL GMs/Teams boards, too.
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……It's not easy for a draft prospect's stock to move up much when teams can't watch him play. But I'm hearing significant movement is taking place for USC's OJ Mayo.

As more NBA teams watch his tape and do background checks, the more it looks like Mayo may become the consensus No. 3 pick in the draft.

Mayo's stock suffered at the start of the season based on some pretty unrealistic expectations. He's been on scouts' radars since the eighth grade, and many expected him to be a LeBron James-type dominant player as a freshman.

His per-game numbers were excellent for a freshman: 20.7 points, 4.4 rebounds and 3.3 assists on 44 percent shooting from the field and 41 percent shooting from 3-point range. But they didn't blow anyone away.

Scouts complained about his shot selection and the fact that he didn't appear to have the point guard skills they thought he might have. Many dropped him from the top 10 on their draft boards.

But Mayo finished the season strong enough that teams had to go back and re-evaluate the tape. What they're seeing now is generating significant buzz. Multiple GMs are now telling me that Mayo's talent may be as good as advertised.

"When you start to reassess a kid like that and quit looking at just the flaws, you see a very talented basketball player," one prominent GM with a pick in the lottery said. "I think he's going to be great."

But there's another story, too, that's helping Mayo's stock. More and more teams are reporting that their background checks are coming back as positives for Mayo. Teams say that he earned good grades at USC and was a good citizen for coach Tim Floyd, and they report multiple instances of Mayo volunteering to help underprivileged kids.

"Everything that we're hearing is that he's basically a good kid," another GM said. "It's a big deal when you're drafting high. He's got to be good both on and off the court. I had my worries about OJ. But my people are telling me he's OK."

We've moved Mayo up to No. 3 on our big board and will do a more extensive report on him in the coming weeks…………

croz24
05-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Actually, that was the take by NBA front offices. Read the article.

actually, i read the article but am basing that statement on every mock draft out there throughout the year. since last year, to the beginning of the season, to midway through the year, to now...the mock drafts have had oj mayo all over the place. kind of funny how he ends up about where he started on most of those sites. such sites and "nba front offices" as well are waaay too quick to move players up and drop them down. such front offices are also the ones who draft a darko milicic #2 overall based on workouts as opposed to considering a proven players entire body of work...but again, i made that statement with regards to the actions of just about every mock site out there. personally, i've had mayo top 5 all year and the early pages of this thread can confirm that...

CableKC
05-09-2008, 01:48 PM
With Sampson getting a job w/ the Bucks do you see them passing on EJ in the first round (possible) or DJ in the second round?
I do not see them passing on DJ if he is available in the second round, but EJ could happen due to the fact they have Williams & RED and the weak C position in the East. I know they have Bogut but he might catch big money elsewhere.
That's the first thing that I thought about when I read that Sampson was going to be one of Skiles Bench Coaches and realizing that they had the 7th pick. If they draft Gordon, I think that Redd is going to be shopped heavily.

I've read on the RealGM Bucks Forum ( I know, not a reliable source ) that the FO isn't entirely happy with Redd as their Franchise Player.

Young
05-09-2008, 01:58 PM
That's the first thing that I thought about when I read that Sampson was going to be one of Skiles Bench Coaches and realizing that they had the 7th pick. If they draft Gordon, I think that Redd is going to be shopped heavily.

I've read on the RealGM Bucks Forum ( I know, not a reliable source ) that the FO isn't entirely happy with Redd as their Franchise Player.

I could see this happening. Makes sense.

Although the Bucks have to be dumb to think of Reed as a franchise player. I think he is damn good all star and will get a lot of interest but not a franchise player.

I'm anxious for the lottery though and see where teams pick. Its coming up, the 20th.

Speed
05-09-2008, 02:02 PM
I could see this happening. Makes sense.

Although the Bucks have to be dumb to think of Reed as a franchise player. I think he is damn good all star and will get a lot of interest but not a franchise player.

I'm anxious for the lottery though and see where teams pick. Its coming up, the 20th.


I agree, then you have the Orlando Camp, then they can hold individual workouts. You should start to get some of these rankings more sorted out, but we'll hear alot of BS too. There will be alot more speculation.

Anthem
05-09-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm just waiting for the lotto so I can know without a doubt that we're not getting a top-3 pick.

Right now I'm in Dumb and Dumber mode.... "So there's still a chance?"

MyFavMartin
05-09-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm just waiting for the lotto so I can know without a doubt that we're not getting a top-3 pick.

Right now I'm in Dumb and Dumber mode.... "So there's still a chance?"

11 days, 5 hours...

MyFavMartin
05-09-2008, 03:15 PM
Pacers draw the 2nd pick in the lottery and Rose goes with the first...

What do you do as Larry Bird?

Speed
05-09-2008, 03:32 PM
Pacers draw the 2nd pick in the lottery and Rose goes with the first...

What do you do as Larry Bird?

If your sold on Beasley you take him, play him at the PF and either move JO that day and get another pick or you keep the JO chip and let him play behind (and in place of the 40 games he's out) at PF. Oh ya and and/you move Ike for a pick too, maybe.

You could go Mayo and groom him to be the SG or play him at the point and Dun is your facillitator with that unit.

Or you take Bayless and wait for him to grow into the PG role, which seems like a big risk, but covers a huge need.

I'd say Lopez to play at Center, but I personally don't think he's worthy of being picked in the top 8 let alone second, that's just my opinion. I've been really wrong on bigs in the past for sure.

With all of that said, I'd pick Beasley and hopefully move JO for a deal like was talked about with Cleveland for expiring contracts and the 19 pick. Then you've moved forward exponentially in draft, which would be awesome.

croz24
05-09-2008, 04:04 PM
i wouldn't like beasley on the pacers and sincerely believe mayo can become a much better leader...i'd do my best to trade back 1 slot to draft mayo...and you are correct on lopez speed. i really don't get his top 5 standing at all. i think hibbert can even become a better player than lopez. lopez COULD become a top 10 center in the league, but that's the extent of his ceiling imo...

Young
05-09-2008, 04:05 PM
Pacers draw the 2nd pick in the lottery and Rose goes with the first...

What do you do as Larry Bird?

I would look at 3 opitions

Michael Beasley, Jarryd Bayless, and trade the pick.

Beasley is a beast. No problems with him on the court. My only question there is how good can he be on defense? It's off the court. He seems to have matured and will be fine but you can never be to cautious.

Bayless is the number one guard on my board (not counting Rose) a head of Mayo and Gordon. My questions with him are his defense and durability. He has had some injury problems I believe.

I think that getting a point guard should be a top priority so if Rose is gone I would want to look at the trade opitions and consider them.

I think in the end I would take Beasley number two. He was so dominate he showed a lot of great things as a freshman I think he can be an all star in the NBA no doubt.

Major Cold
05-09-2008, 04:59 PM
You draft BEastley.

Come on he would be an ideal 4 in this system.

Look at the last 3 drafts and tell me how many of the top 10 picks are top 10 centers.

07
Oden-not proven but probable
Horford-is he really a center, but I will give it to you
Noah-no, slight chance
Hawes-I am gonna say no

06
Barnagni- proven he can't be a big man in this league, he is a soft Dirk at best
Aldridge- top 10, defensively is not certain
Shelden Williams- no
O'Bryant- possible bust
Sene-Possible bust

05
Bogut- top 10
Frye- no, good player though
Bynum- top 10

You know what is worse? The rest of the big men in those drafts. It is hard to snag a servicable big man. People complain about Harrison but I think he has faired better than some of his classmates. Podkolzine, Kris Humphries, Arjauo,Vroman, John Ramos

owl
05-09-2008, 05:22 PM
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm



One scout's take on the lottery

> Posted by Ira Winderman at 1:19:09 PM
Yes, NBA scouts are at it already, even before the May 20 lottery sets the first 14 spots for the June 26 NBA Draft. One NBA personnel official last week offered a look at his draft board, with the caveat that his comments were not for attribution and that his precise order not be listed. "Just this morning I did my mock draft and I put (Derrick) Rose number one. "I'll be honest about it, I'll be stunned if Miami doesn't take Rose."
The scout from an Eastern Conference team said he had Kansas State forward Michael Beasley going second after the Memphis guard, with Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless, Stanford center Brook Lopez and UCLA forward Kevin Love rounding out his first five.
"I personally am in the opinion that Bayless is going to be a big-time pro," he said. "He's way more of a point guard than people will give him credit for."
In his next group, the scout had Louisiana State forward Anthony Randolph, Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo, Italian League forward Danilo Gallinari, Kansas forward Darrell Arthur, Syracuse forward Donte Greene, Texas guard D.J Augustin.
"Randolph would probably be my first player in that third tier," he said, perhaps overlooking Indiana guard Eric Gordon when listing that grouping.
Need more? We'll have it with an extensive lottery preview in Sunday's newspaper.
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He has Love going number 5 which I believe is really where he will be going.
Unfortunately out of the Pacers range.

Major Cold
05-09-2008, 05:30 PM
I just don't see teams going that high for Love.

MyFavMartin
05-09-2008, 05:37 PM
I don't either, but Sheldon Williams went #5 too.

Love is fairly capped out talent wise. High bball IQ. I just don't see him in the top 7.

Mayo and Gordon got to be up there.

I do think Bayless has PG ability. I've watched him play and think he's a Billups-type.


I'd think that Miami picks Beasley as DWade is the initiator of the offense and wouldn't need Rose as much as they need a big. Wouldn't be surprised if they did pick Rose as they have a bigger need at PG, though. (Jason Williams vs. Udonis Haslem)


If Zo comes back a lineup of Rose, DWade, Marion, Haslem and Zo would be very, very good.

owl
05-11-2008, 05:48 PM
For all those out there who say Mayo is a changed man....

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52459/20080511/former_confidant_says_mayo_took_gifts_at_usc/

d_c
05-11-2008, 06:24 PM
For all those out there who say Mayo is a changed man....

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52459/20080511/former_confidant_says_mayo_took_gifts_at_usc/

In the big picture, who really cares? That's USC's problem and not OJ Mayo's. That's all about the NCAA's totally archaic, out of date rules.

Shareef Abdur Rahim took handouts when he went to Cal. Has anyone really thought any less of him since he's been in the NBA because of this?

As an NBA fan, this story does absolutely nothing to change my opinion of OJ Mayo. Not the slightest bit and it's going to have zero impact on his draft status.

Jonathan
05-11-2008, 06:35 PM
Pacers draw the 2nd pick in the lottery and Rose goes with the first...

What do you do as Larry Bird?

Larry Bird believes Beasely is the best player in the draft so if they land the number one pick they will draft him and look to move O'neal.

Trader Joe
05-11-2008, 06:59 PM
Mayo's newest incident just shows his continued insistence on making poor decisions and putting himself before everyone else. Yes, he is talented, but he is also an extreme risk for a team in the Pacers current position.

d_c
05-11-2008, 07:06 PM
Mayo's newest incident just shows his continued insistence on making poor decisions and putting himself before everyone else. Yes, he is talented, but he is also an extreme risk for a team in the Pacers current position.

So if people keep buying him flat screen TVs when he's in the NBA, that's going to be a problem?

Basically, he was just living the NBA life a year before he got to the NBA. Next year, he'll just fit in with the kind of lifestyle most NBA players live.

rexnom
05-11-2008, 07:41 PM
I hope this incident causes GMs to sour on Mayo. He's at least the third best player in this draft. Anyone who gets him below 3 will be getting a steal.

Trader Joe
05-11-2008, 07:57 PM
So if people keep buying him flat screen TVs when he's in the NBA, that's going to be a problem?

Basically, he was just living the NBA life a year before he got to the NBA. Next year, he'll just fit in with the kind of lifestyle most NBA players live.

No, it shows a pattern of poor decision making. It has nothing to do with the flat screen TVs etc. He continues to have a pattern of questionable decisions.
He broke the rules if these rumors are true. He controlled his own recruiting, he switched high schools four times in four years. I could go on. If the Pacers get Mayo from a talent stand point thats great, but I don't think its a smart move in terms of changing the perception of this team.

croz24
05-11-2008, 08:21 PM
So if people keep buying him flat screen TVs when he's in the NBA, that's going to be a problem?

Basically, he was just living the NBA life a year before he got to the NBA. Next year, he'll just fit in with the kind of lifestyle most NBA players live.

technically, he's been receiving these "gifts" since he was an 8th grader so...pretty much living the nba life 5years before he got to the nba...

Major Cold
05-11-2008, 08:38 PM
Duncan stays four year at WAke Forest.

2 Yeasr ago he signed an extension for less than he is clearly worth.

I don't see many players making those decisons to commit to an organization that commits to them.

So should we expect it?

If we happen to get Mayo, Beasley, or Rose we always run the risk of losing them like the Cavs run the risk of losing LeBron.

Mayo would still have to show case his worth to get a contract to leave. So for 4 years he would have to commit or jeopardize his career Gerald Green style.

More players take cash than what is reported.

d_c
05-11-2008, 09:14 PM
No, it shows a pattern of poor decision making. It has nothing to do with the flat screen TVs etc. He continues to have a pattern of questionable decisions.
He broke the rules if these rumors are true. He controlled his own recruiting, he switched high schools four times in four years. I could go on. If the Pacers get Mayo from a talent stand point thats great, but I don't think its a smart move in terms of changing the perception of this team.

Amare Stoudamire went to about 9 different high schools, FTR.

He controlled his own recruiting? So what? He told Tim Floyd he wanted to go to USC and Floyd didn't exactly object to that. I don't see anything wrong with that.

He got in a scuffle with a ref in which evidence shows that the ref pulled a Derek Fisher flop. Then he had an incident with marijuana, which pretty much makes him an NBA player right there.

That's it. That's all. It was David Sterns decision to make guys like Mayo attend college for at least one season. If not for that, Mayo wouldn't have wasted his time playing for a $35K scholarship. He would have been making money for himself and buying himself stuff instead of having people giving it to him.

I personally don't give a damn if a guy like Mayo gets free jerseys, plane tickets, TVs or whatever. He more than earned that with the amount of money he made for USC and the NCAA.

The NCAA's rules about this stuff are so old, antiquated, out of date and out of touch that I have a hard time taking them seriously when they talk about these "violations". What a joke it is that they talk like that.

Jonathan
05-11-2008, 09:18 PM
Duncan stays four year at WAke Forest.

2 Yeasr ago he signed an extension for less than he is clearly worth.

I don't see many players making those decisons to commit to an organization that commits to them.

So should we expect it?

If we happen to get Mayo, Beasley, or Rose we always run the risk of losing them like the Cavs run the risk of losing LeBron.

Mayo would still have to show case his worth to get a contract to leave. So for 4 years he would have to commit or jeopardize his career Gerald Green style.

More players take cash than what is reported.

The whole thing about Mayo is this the NBA is a league of star players. Kobe, Lebron will make the playoffs and get call year in and year out. It the Pacers draft at 3 and Beasely/Rose are gone we should take a strong look at Mayo. He has more star power than Lopez & Bayless. Imagine the story lines Mayo vs Lebron. It will get attention. Is it the right choice (Who Knows) but we need a superstar and Granger is not that star!

Jonathan
05-11-2008, 09:21 PM
The NCAA's rules about this stuff are so old, antiquated, out of date and out of touch that I have a hard time taking them seriously when they talk about these "violations". What a joke it is that they talk like that.

I agree 100% remember when Majerus got in trouble for buying players some pizza. Hell 95% of the highschool's in Indiana would get in trouble for this. The rules only hurt the team's after a player/coach leaves look at Indiana University right now!!

Will Galen
05-11-2008, 09:50 PM
Some people just don't pay attention to what's coming out of the Pacers offices.

The Pacers won't draft Mayo, especially now!

MyFavMartin
05-11-2008, 09:51 PM
The whole thing about Mayo is this the NBA is a league of star players. Kobe, Lebron will make the playoffs and get call year in and year out. It the Pacers draft at 3 and Beasely/Rose are gone we should take a strong look at Mayo. He has more star power than Lopez & Bayless. Imagine the story lines Mayo vs Lebron. It will get attention. Is it the right choice (Who Knows) but we need a superstar and Granger is not that star!

PG and C are more important positions and higher needs for this team so I could see Bayless or Lopez at 3.

But I could see Mayo at 3 as well as I agree on his star potential. These recent news developments do bother me.

Bayless and Lopez will both be very good, but you're right in that Mayo's ceiling I think is higher. Mayo's stock is high so I could see a trade back with a team like NY who would love him though I think NY needs a PG worse than us. Send them Tinsley in the trade back?

Hicks
05-11-2008, 10:10 PM
Some people just don't pay attention to what's coming out of the Pacers offices.

The Pacers won't draft Mayo, especially now!

I'm not so sure. Yes, I'm well aware of what the Pacers are saying, but what if their investigation of Mayo reveals that, despite his reputation, he's actually OK? I wouldn't be shocked if they took him in that scenario.

AesopRockOn
05-11-2008, 10:38 PM
You have got to be kidding me; if the Pacers have a chance to draft Ovinton J'Anthony (with B-Easy and Rose off the board), they do it. If they don't, they're fools, straight up.

My sentiments are the same as yours rexnom.

Naptown_Seth
05-12-2008, 12:41 PM
And what if Mayo thought he was working within the bounderies, which Johnson himself says in the ESPN report, and just thought that he was being asked to promise to sign with an agent in the future? A "look son, sign here and we can make things good for you, we can't risk violations but there are edges we can work in good faith".

The player thinks this is a fair deal, you aren't being paid to go to USC you are being paid to choose a specific agent in the future but can't actually do it now because of violation restrictions.

And the violation alleged is mean to protect Mayo from these types of parasites, not to protect society or the integrity of the NCAA game. This is not a USC booster pushing money to Mayo.

I'm not saying dismiss it, I'm saying look further than just the word of ONE GUY (Johnson, now on the outs of the Mayo camp), and also consider if Mayo was the criminal or the victim when you hear that he saw perhaps $30k of some $200K+ funneled in their direction (according to Johnson).

Will Galen
05-12-2008, 01:00 PM
. . . and also consider if Mayo was the criminal or the victim when you hear that he saw perhaps $30k of some $200K+ funneled in their direction (according to Johnson).

Criminal! If true, thirty thousand dollars is too much money for me to believe Mayo didn't know what was going on. That's more money than a lot of people make in a year.

Jonathan
05-12-2008, 01:35 PM
I do not think accepting money while in college hurts your nba draft value. OJ Mayo will be a top five pick in this years draft. Let's take a look at USC; this is the second scandel ie Reggie Bush. I saw the outside the lines last night (late) but wasnt this Johnson guy in trouble for selling or possessing cocaine? He probably ran in OJ's entourage & just found out he was not going to get his cut; then he comes in with this story to create scandel to hurt OJ. He is a jealous mother sucker and everything wrong with college sports not OJ. Go back in the day to when you were 18 ;if a three hundred lb girls was offering you a flat screen to have sex wl her would you?

d_c
05-12-2008, 01:41 PM
Criminal! If true, thirty thousand dollars is too much money for me to believe Mayo didn't know what was going on. That's more money than a lot of people make in a year.

$30K is also way, way less than the amount of revenue he generated for USC and the NCAA.

And Reggie Bush? The NCAA and USC made an absolute killing off of that guy. Whatever money/gifts/mansions Bush got, he earned. Hell, the guy was severly underpaid at USC as far as I'm concerned.

Will Galen
05-12-2008, 02:15 PM
$30K is also way, way less than the amount of revenue he generated for USC and the NCAA.


That has nothing to do with Mayo breaking the rules.

Major Cold
05-12-2008, 03:47 PM
For one the issue is not whether the rule is wrong. The issue is whether or not Mayo and co. were in violation of any rule.

Jonathan
05-12-2008, 04:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gbhG0zA5k

What do you think of Goran Pragic as our PG pick in the second round?

d_c
05-12-2008, 04:44 PM
For one the issue is not whether the rule is wrong. The issue is whether or not Mayo and co. were in violation of any rule.

Who's issue is it? It's USC's issue. It's their problem.

It's not going to be an issue for Mayo or the NBA team the spends a top 5 pick on him. It's going to be a total non-issue. As if the team that drafts him is going to care about what happens to USC.

Will Galen
05-12-2008, 07:34 PM
Another interesting article from Chad Ford.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-080512

Draft Watch: Odds now favor Rose as No. 1 pick, not Beasley

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<!-- end story header --><!-- begin left column --> <!-- begin page tools --> <!-- end page tools --><!-- begin story body --> In 2007, one question dominated the months before the NBA draft: Who is the No. 1 player in the draft?
Greg Oden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4243), a once-in-a-decade center prospect?
Or Kevin Durant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4244), who had been arguably the most productive freshman in the history of college basketball?
After more than a month of deliberation, the Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por) decided to take Oden with the top pick.
This year, again, the focus is on two players.
The consensus two months ago was that Kansas State forward Michael Beasley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19133) was, far and away, the likely choice for the No. 1 pick.
Beasley had a freshman season that, in almost every way, was even more impressive than Durant's. He ended the season as the country's leading rebounder and one of its top scorers -- impressive feats for an 18-year-old freshman playing in an elite conference such as the Big 12.


Beasley, a 6-foot-10 power forward, has the physical tools and basketball skills to be a great NBA player. He's a prolific scorer both inside and outside, with elite athleticism, great range on his jump shot, the power to bang in the paint, the speed to run the break and the nastiness to mix it up down low -- with the cockiness to think that he can deliver a victory for his team every night.
But a late charge by Memphis point guard Derrick Rose (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19132) has dramatically changed the game. Rose, not Beasley, was a dominant force in the NCAA tournament, putting on a performance that would've garnered him MOP honors for the tournament had Memphis not blown a late second-half lead in the championship game versus Kansas.
Rose is considered a cross between Chris Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3930) and Deron Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3929), with excellent size, athleticism and leadership abilities. The lack of a consistent jump shot is the only real mark against him.
In the last 20 years, only one player shorter than 6-6 -- Allen Iverson -- has ever gone No. 1. When in doubt, NBA GMs almost always opt for a big man. However, as we watch point guards such as Paul, Williams and Tony Parker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3527) dominate in the playoffs, the thinking is beginning to change. It's no longer considered a given that a big man is the key to winning in the NBA.
Over the past few months, I've talked to scouts and/or executives from almost every team in the draft lottery in an effort to determine what each would do with the No. 1 pick. Some were open, while some refused to answer.
With character questions still swirling around Beasley, and Rose gaining stock in the eyes of NBA front-office decision-makers, Beasley is no longer the favorite to be the No. 1 pick -- and he has dropped to No. 2 on our Top 100.
With about a week to go before the NBA draft lottery, Rose has emerged as the most likely candidate for the No. 1 pick.
The race remains close: We're projecting seven lottery teams opting for Rose and seven for Beasley. But if you break down the likelihood of each team's landing the No. 1 pick, it's a landslide for Rose. According to our latest intel, Rose has a 66.3 percent chance of becoming the No. 1 pick -- up dramatically from the 10.5 percent chance we gave him in March.
Here's the team-by-team breakdown:
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Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia)

Odds of winning the lottery: 25 percent In March, all indications were that Beasley would be the man for Miami. He would be a big upgrade over Udonis Haslem (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3765) and, alongside Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3708) and Shawn Marion (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3332), would give the Heat a formidable trio of athletes on the floor.
However, word out of Miami right now is that Pat Riley has fallen head over heels for Rose and believes that a backcourt of Wade and Rose would be the most explosive in the NBA.
Edge: Rose

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Seattle SuperSonics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sea)

Odds of winning the lottery: 19.9 percent In March, we were salivating over the idea that the Sonics could land both Durant and Beasley in back-to-back years. A few of the GMs I spoke with thought it would be an amazing combination. Beasley and Durant are close friends and, together, they could give the Sonics the most potent inside-outside, young scoring duo in the league.
However, the Sonics, too, have become enamored with Rose, and a source close to the team said the idea of matching an elite point guard next to Durant would be too good to pass up.
Edge: Rose

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Minnesota Timberwolves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=min)

Odds of winning the lottery: 13.8 percent The Wolves need a franchise point guard more than they need a franchise power forward. Al Jefferson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3832) is having an All-Star-caliber season, but Sebastian Telfair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3830) is easily replaceable.
However, the Wolves would likely opt for Beasley. Jefferson can move to the center position if Beasley comes on board. And the Wolves still believe that Randy Foye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4135) will eventually be the team's point guard.
If I were Kevin McHale, I'd go with Rose. But, since McHale almost always gets this wrong come June, we'll stick with Beasley here.
Edge: Beasley

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Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mem)

Odds of winning the lottery: 13.7 percent This is one of the most clear-cut choices for Beasley. The Grizzlies have a hole at power forward since giving away Pau Gasol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3513) and they are currently stacked with three young point guards. Put Beasley on the floor with Rudy Gay (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4136) and Mike Conley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4246) and the Grizzlies have a very formidable young core.
Edge: Beasley
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New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk)

Odds of winning the lottery: 7.6 percent This is a very easy call. What the Knicks need more than anything else is chemistry and a floor leader who can bring all of the egos on the Knicks together. Now that we know Mike D'Antoni is running the show, getting a franchise-type point guard is even more important.
Rose is the right guy for the job. He's the type of player who can turn the culture around and orchestrate D'Antoni's high-octane offense. And unlike Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3103), he projects as a terrific defender, too.
Edge: Rose

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Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lac)

Odds of winning the lottery: 7.5 percent The Clippers are another team that really needs a point guard. Sam Cassell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1295) is gone and there is no telling whether Shaun Livingston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3821) will ever recover. However, the Clippers might need a power forward sooner than you think as well.
Elton Brand (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3324) can terminate his contract this summer, and there are rumblings in L.A. that he might opt out for the chance at a title. If he does, Beasley could be the guy.
But right now, all signs are pointing to Rose as the Clippers' choice if they land the No. 1 pick.
Edge: Rose

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Milwaukee Bucks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil)

Odds of winning the lottery: 4.3 percent The Bucks spent last year's lottery pick on an athletic power forward with inside-outside skills -- Yi Jianlian (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4284). Would they pick another power forward in Beasley this year? Probably not.
Now that John Hammond has taken over as GM, he's looking for a tough leader. Mo Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3750) may be entrenched at the point in Milwaukee, but if Hammond gets a shot at a franchise point guard, I think he's taking it.
Edge: Rose

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Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha)

Odds of winning the lottery: 2.8 percent A month ago, this looked like Beasley all the way. The Bobcats desperately need athleticism and rebounding in the frontcourt. And while Raymond Felton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3931) isn't as talented as Rose, he'll do.
However, with Larry Brown now coaching the team, he might push for a more dominant floor leader. This is a tough call. For now, we're sticking with Beasley, but this could change to Rose.
Edge: Beasley

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Chicago Bulls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=chi)

Odds of winning the lottery: 1.7 percent
Beasley would be a godsend to the Bulls. He's the perfect antidote for what they lack -- a confident, athletic low-post scorer who can draw double teams. Put him on the floor with Luol Deng (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3824), Ben Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3820), Joakim Noah (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4287) and Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3710) and I think the Bulls' future suddenly gets much brighter. Then again, his character issues might scare GM John Paxson away, and Rose is an upgrade over Hinrich. Still, as of right now, I'm giving the edge to Beasley.
Edge: Beasley

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New Jersey Nets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=njn)

Odds of winning the lottery: 1.1 percent This one's a no-brainer. Beasley would be a monster in the Nets' system; he'd be an excellent replacement for Kenyon Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3400). Put him on the floor with Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3248), Richard Jefferson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3523) and Devin Harris (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3822) and you can start talking about the Nets' being playoff contenders again.
More important, it gives the Nets two talented young players -- Harris and Beasley -- to help lure LeBron in 2010.
Edge: Beasley

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Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind)

Odds of winning the lottery: 0.8 percent Here's a team that appears to be 100 percent in the Rose camp. Given all of the off-court problems their players have faced, Larry Bird and company are looking for model citizens on and off the court. I doubt they take the risk on Beasley.
Besides, after years of watching Jamaal Tinsley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3528)'s on-again, off-again performances, I think the idea of a young, talented point guard such as Rose would actually hold more appeal. This team needs leadership and Rose could provide it.
Edge: Rose

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Sacramento Kings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac)

Odds of winning the lottery: 0.7 percent This is a tough one. The Kings have needs at both the 4 and the 1, but it seems very likely that they'd lean toward Beasley. His talents on both ends of the floor would be great complements to Kevin Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3843) and Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339).
Rose would be great running the point, and there's a need there, too. But right now we're opting for Beasley; this one is a wash.
Edge: Beasley

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Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por)

Odds of winning the lottery: 0.6 percent The Blazers are another team that would likely opt for Rose immediately. GM Kevin Pritchard strongly believes in character, and I think Beasley would give him pause on such a young team.
The Blazers also have a bigger need at the point guard position. They have been searching for a franchise point guard to put on the floor with Oden, Brandon Roy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4134) and LaMarcus Aldridge (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4130). And Rose is it.
Edge: Rose

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Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw)

Odds of winning the lottery: 0.5 percent The Warriors could go either way here. As far as needs go, a dominant, rebounding power forward like Beasley would be a great fit -- especially if Don Nelson is still the head coach.
However, with contract extension talks on shaky ground with Baron Davis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3326), it could be time for the Warriors to look for a replacement at point guard. Right now, the edge still goes to Beasley.
Edge: Beasley

Chad Ford (http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/writeback?name=Chad+Ford) covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

owl
05-12-2008, 08:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gbhG0zA5k

What do you think of Goran Pragic as our PG pick in the second round?

Looks better than anything the Pacers have. Worth a flyer in the second round.

Anthem
05-12-2008, 08:51 PM
Looks better than anything the Pacers have. Worth a flyer in the second round.
I don't follow EuroBasket so maybe the guy's a great player, but that clip sure doesn't show it. What about that made him look "better than anything the Pacers have?" Based on that footage he couldn't sniff Graham, let alone anybody higher on the depth chart. Here's his complete highlight reel:

1 open-court fastbreak layup
1 steal from a big man trying to dribble
1 wide-open layup
1 contested driving layup
1 contested fastbreak layup.

And that's it. Wowee. Surely there are better guys to waste a pick on.

Gamble1
05-12-2008, 10:36 PM
I don't follow EuroBasket so maybe the guy's a great player, but that clip sure doesn't show it? What about that made him look "better than anything the Pacers have?" Based on that footage he couldn't sniff Graham, let alone anybody higher on the depth chart. Here's his complete highlight reel:

1 open-court fastbreak layup
1 steal from a big man trying to dribble
1 wide-open layup
1 contested driving layup
1 contested fastbreak layup.

And that's it. Wowee. Surely there are better guys to waste a pick on.

I am sorry Anthem were you talking to Larry or Owl? I mean its not like Larry doesn't believe in euro talent. You might disagree with it but Larry is one euro pick away from something big. Maybe its the odds of failure over the odds of success. 3 for 0.

Anthem
05-13-2008, 12:00 AM
I am sorry Anthem were you talking to Larry or Owl?
Um... owl. That's why I quoted him. He said Goran Pragic looked better than anybody we had, and I strongly disagreed. Which is rare, because normally I treat everything owl says as gospel. :flirt:


I mean its not like Larry doesn't believe in euro talent. You might disagree with it but Larry is one euro pick away from something big. Maybe its the odds of failure over the odds of success. 3 for 0.
I'm trying to figure out if this is sarcasm or not. I'm holding off any reply until I know for sure.

I'm hoping for sarcasm.

Gamble1
05-13-2008, 08:25 AM
You should know that its sarcastic but I will say that owl and Janathan share Larry's aww of Euro talent.

The 3-0 Larry euro's. Maybe we need to get some pacersdigest posters to blow on his dice for him.

Speed
05-13-2008, 08:30 AM
You should know that its sarcastic but I will say that owl and Janathan share Larry's aww of Euro talent.

The 3-0 Larry euro's. Maybe we need to get some pacersdigest posters to blow on his dice for him.

There will be no blowing of any dice, not on my watch.

owl
05-13-2008, 09:51 AM
I don't follow EuroBasket so maybe the guy's a great player, but that clip sure doesn't show it. What about that made him look "better than anything the Pacers have?" Based on that footage he couldn't sniff Graham, let alone anybody higher on the depth chart. Here's his complete highlight reel:

1 open-court fastbreak layup
1 steal from a big man trying to dribble
1 wide-open layup
1 contested driving layup
1 contested fastbreak layup.

And that's it. Wowee. Surely there are better guys to waste a pick on.
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Well I might I have gone over the top a little but what I liked in the video is his size,
60% 2pt shooting percentage, craftiness and ability to finish around the basket.
If he can defend he would definitely be better than what the Pacers have.
Graham is a shooting guard and athletically superior to anyone on the Pacers already.
Look where that got him, sitting on the bench. I am willing to look anywhere for talent
even though the results RECENTLY have not been good with Euros. Detlef and Smits
turned out pretty well. So in the second round what the heck. There other players in
the second round that might help the Pacers. Harden and Hudson possibly.

Ballerzfan
05-13-2008, 10:09 AM
I'm not impressed. I agree it's a subpar highlight film at best. Walker makes much more sense as a second round flyer pick than another Euro PG.

Anthem
05-13-2008, 10:10 AM
Well I might I have gone over the top a little but what I liked in the video is his size, 60% 2pt layup percentage, craftiness and ability to finish around the basket.
Fixed. :D

Jonathan
05-13-2008, 10:32 AM
You should know that its sarcastic but I will say that owl and Janathan share Larry's aww of Euro talent.

The 3-0 Larry euro's. Maybe we need to get some pacersdigest posters to blow on his dice for him.

I am just not 100% sure on picking a PG at 11. I say we draft the best player available. The name is Jonathan not Janathan and if your trying to mock me send a personal message and man up!

Jonathan
05-13-2008, 10:38 AM
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Well I might I have gone over the top a little but what I liked in the video is his size,
60% 2pt shooting percentage, craftiness and ability to finish around the basket.
If he can defend he would definitely be better than what the Pacers have.
Graham is a shooting guard and athletically superior to anyone on the Pacers already.
Look where that got him, sitting on the bench. I am willing to look anywhere for talent
even though the results RECENTLY have not been good with Euros. Detlef and Smits
turned out pretty well. So in the second round what the heck. There other players in
the second round that might help the Pacers. Harden and Hudson possibly.

What I like about the kid is this he can take the ball to rack and finish. The Pacers need a player to do that. Marquis Daniels does some games but others he does not. This kid is worth a look at the number 41 pick b/c he fits JOB's system. He can pass the ball and is good in the open court. I do not know about his three point shooting. I do not think Lester Hudson will not be around or DJ White for that matter. I am not sold on these two bigs Jawai or Pertokiv (other russinan).

Jonathan
05-13-2008, 10:39 AM
I'm not impressed. I agree it's a subpar highlight film at best. Walker makes much more sense as a second round flyer pick than another Euro PG.

Lorbek & Stanko are not euro PG's.

Anthem
05-13-2008, 09:38 PM
Lorbek & Stanko are not euro PG's.
I think he meant Cabbage.

CableKC
05-15-2008, 01:16 AM
I'm too lazy to go back in this thread. What do you guys think about Marreese Speights?

I'm guessing that if Love and Westbrook is off the board and there is no other "no-brainer" available.....that he would be a solid pick at the 11th spot. Most articles I read about him seem to indicate that he is the next best NBA-Ready Big Man after Brook Lopez. There maybe other Big Men like Randolph or even Jordan....but they appear to be Big Men with potential that still need to develop.

I would much rather pick a Big Man like Spreights who may have a lower ceiling but is likely ready to make a quicker impact.

Jonathan
05-15-2008, 12:43 PM
Speights would be a real good pick for the Pacers at 11. He will be availabe. I would not mind him in a Pacers uniform at all. He is athletic and can score very well in the low post. The only thing is you have to see who drops down in the draft if Danillo or EJ is available do we take them over Speights?

Naptown_Seth
05-15-2008, 01:28 PM
I didn't get to see him really. He and Randolph are my two main unknowns that I didn't get to really look at.

I will say that other than those 2, I really would be pleased with Arthur at 11 because of his excellent offensive post fundamentals. He gives you Harrison-Ike post work but seemingly without the attitude or poor passing. KU ran some nice systems and he seemed solid enough to work them.

To me Kansas was sort of the Utah Jazz of the NCAA, constrasted to the more NBA traditional play of Memphis (letting key players work for theirs, solid compliments focused on one role). KS really had all 5 guys work together on a lot of plays, so I suspect that Arthur brings decent awareness at least on the Off end.

I'm really hoping to get a chance to dig up and watch some footage of Spreights and Randolph prior to the draft.

I want zero part of Jordan. Sene ringing a bell here. Big, big risk I think. To many other lower risk guys at 11 to make that jump, especially given Jordan's disinterest up to this point at being the best he can.

Speed
05-15-2008, 01:43 PM
Nice Chad Ford Chat talking about the draft going on right now 1:40 ET 5/15/08

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=20609

Steven (Toronto): Is Bill Walker a 1st rounder with a good pre-draft workout?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:34 PM ET ) He might be. I hear he's working out with Kobe's trainer, Tim Grover, in Chicago. He's supposedly down to 220 and really regained his explosiveness. Walker was a top 5 pick before getting hurt last season. If he shows he's back 100 percent, he'll move into a mid to late first round pick.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Kyle (SD): Chad, I'm not sure why but Derrick Rose doesn't do a lot for me, with that being said who do you see having the better PRO career between him and Beastly??

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:35 PM ET ) GMs in the league are very split. Both guys project as NBA superstars. Personally, I prefer Rose. I think he's a better leader and has a huge size, athletic advantage at his position. He could be unstoppable as a point guard in the pros.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Te (The Cuse): How high will Donte Green go in the draft? Will he end up back at Syracuse?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:36 PM ET ) He's hired an agent, Bill Stickland, so I think he's staying. I talked to a few teams who have him in the 5-10 range. Most have him late lottery to mid first round. He has tremendous upside, but he's rawer than some of the other freshmen.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Steven (Toronto): Would the Sonics really take Beasley if they won the lottery? Seems a PG in Rose is the perfect fit.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:37 PM ET ) I think they'd take Rose.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Ariel (Albany, NY): With DJ Augustin molding his game after Steve Nash, he seems like a perfect fit for the Knicks. Should they consider trading down to pick him if they can move a contract or pick up another piece?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:37 PM ET ) I'm not sure how far you could trade down. The Bucks would have interest and so would the Pacers.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>greg (toronto): Is Joe Alexander going to stay in the draft?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:38 PM ET ) Looks like it. He's working out in Las Vegas with trainer Joe Abunassar. Abunassar trained Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer last year among others. I'll see him on Monday.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Trent Plaisted (Provo): Do you pity the team that drafts me? I sure do.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:40 PM ET ) I've heard Plaisted is in the draft for good -- that he's hired an agent. I will see him on Friday at a workout. He's here working out in LA with Don MacLean.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Joe (Laredo, TX): Chad, would you compare Kevin Love to a Carlos Boozer type, a player with limited athletic ability, but strong and very solid in the block.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:40 PM ET ) Not a bad comparison, though I think Boozer is a quicker and a more nimble athlete. Love is a better passer.





<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Charles (orlando): What are your thoughts on Westbrook? Can he play PG in the NBA?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:41 PM ET ) I think so. He reminds me a little of where Rondo was coming into the draft. His athletic ability is so high, I think he'll be a very good pro.

Joe (MI): Which players do you think should most seriously consider staying another year?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:42 PM ET ) I would've told Donte Greene and Kosta Koufos to stay in school, but both have hired agents. Of the guys remaining? Marresse Speights and J.J. Hickson should stay.

Michael (Atlanta): What teams would take Beasley over Rose? I think Rose hands down is the best player in this year's draft.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:44 PM ET ) I think Minnesota and Memphis would take him over Rose. Ditto for Chicago and New Jersey.



<HR width="80%" noShade SIZE=1>Mike (los angeles, ca): With the situation concerning OJ Mayo..is that a concern with GM's? Or do they care?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:46 PM ET ) They don't care. One GM said to me (I'm paraphrasing here) that allegations like this swirl around every top draft prospect. If they were concerned about them, there would be no one to draft. I don't think O.J. is a bad person because he took clothes a TV and some tickets from a friend. How many college students do you know who would pass that stuff up? From what I can gather, OJ checks out as a good kid
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CableKC
05-15-2008, 01:56 PM
I didn't get to see him really. He and Randolph are my two main unknowns that I didn't get to really look at.

I will say that other than those 2, I really would be pleased with Arthur at 11 because of his excellent offensive post fundamentals. He gives you Harrison-Ike post work but seemingly without the attitude or poor passing. KU ran some nice systems and he seemed solid enough to work them.

To me Kansas was sort of the Utah Jazz of the NCAA, constrasted to the more NBA traditional play of Memphis (letting key players work for theirs, solid compliments focused on one role). KS really had all 5 guys work together on a lot of plays, so I suspect that Arthur brings decent awareness at least on the Off end.

I'm really hoping to get a chance to dig up and watch some footage of Spreights and Randolph prior to the draft.

I want zero part of Jordan. Sene ringing a bell here. Big, big risk I think. To many other lower risk guys at 11 to make that jump, especially given Jordan's disinterest up to this point at being the best he can.
Let me know what you think of Spreights. From what I have read about him....he seems like a solid Big Man that can ( at worst ) turn out to be a solid rotational Big Man and ( at best ) a solid Starter for the future.

I'm with you on the type of player that we draft, we need a quick infusion of talent. IMHO that means that it's better to pick the best Big Man or PG that is available that is NBA-Ready that can make the most impact on this team in a short amount of time. This also means that I would pass up on potential in a Big Man like Jordan or McGee just because I don't want to gamble and roll Snakes Eyes.

The only players with potential that I would take a chance on is Love, Westbrook and Gordon ( is he drops to the 11th spot )...only because they don't seem to be that raw and can contribute in a season or two.

tdubb03
05-15-2008, 02:09 PM
Holy crap, the lotto's on Tuesday? Who's going to be our representative there? I nominate Stanko.

Speed
05-15-2008, 02:13 PM
Holy crap, the lotto's on Tuesday? Who's going to be our representative there? I nominate Stanko.

Morway said it would be Bird on the radio last week.

They wanted someone who spoke better English than Bird, but Stanko wasn't available so they went with Bird.

AesopRockOn
05-15-2008, 02:24 PM
Mike (los angeles, ca): With the situation concerning OJ Mayo..is that a concern with GM's? Or do they care?


http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:46 PM ET ) They don't care. One GM said to me (I'm paraphrasing here) that allegations like this swirl around every top draft prospect. If they were concerned about them, there would be no one to draft. I don't think O.J. is a bad person because he took clothes a TV and some tickets from a friend. How many college students do you know who would pass that stuff up? From what I can gather, OJ checks out as a good kid
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Yup.

Thanks for posting this. I think that he's wrong about the Sonics picking Rose, especially since he's not going to be pick-and-rolling with Durant. An inside-outside combo of KD and MB would be much more effective (it would also make the Sonics have at least potential as the Blaze imo). The point about Augustine modeling his game after Nash's is so irrelevant; Paul has done similar modeling but so has Travis Diener. At this point, Westbrook is the player the Pacers should be hoping for though some of the big men Seth mentioned could work too.



Holy crap, the lotto's on Tuesday? Who's going to be our representative there? I nominate Stanko.

He's busy pimpin'.

tdubb03
05-15-2008, 02:47 PM
Y'know what'd be cool with the lotto, have a random fan be the representative. Something like pulling a season ticket holder out of a hat. Not like the reps actually do anything there anyway.

CableKC
05-15-2008, 03:39 PM
Yup.

Thanks for posting this. I think that he's wrong about the Sonics picking Rose, especially since he's not going to be pick-and-rolling with Durant. An inside-outside combo of KD and MB would be much more effective (it would also make the Sonics have at least potential as the Blaze imo). The point about Augustine modeling his game after Nash's is so irrelevant; Paul has done similar modeling but so has Travis Diener. At this point, Westbrook is the player the Pacers should be hoping for though some of the big men Seth mentioned could work too.

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He's busy pimpin'.
I don't know.....if the Sonics had the choice between Rose and Beasley.....I would go with Rose. I think that the PG and Center spots are the most difficult to fill. If Beasley was a supposed Franchise level Center ( a la Oden ), then it would be hard to pick between the 2.....but he's ( at least to me ) not on the level of a Tim Duncan ( a Franchise Level PF ) that would make me go with him over Rose.

If they get the 1st pick and go with Rose, it would seem that there is a better pick of Big Men in the early 20s that would likely pan out. With Watson or Ridnour as a future backup PG, they can move one of the two ( which I think that can easily do ) in the offseason and be set at the PG rotation for the near future.

But if they go with Beasley with their 1st pick, who could they pick up that would make sense as their 2nd 1st round pick?

LG33
05-15-2008, 04:27 PM
Morway said it would be Bird on the radio last week.

They wanted someone who spoke better English than Bird, but Stanko wasn't available so they went with Bird.

Hahahahaha...

DGPR
05-16-2008, 09:18 AM
Does anybody know much about DeVon Hardin? Sounds like he'd be a solid 2nd round pick to me.

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/devonhardin.html

NBA Comparison: Darryl Dawkins
Strengths: Long and athletic bigman with great strength ... Has an NBA body, really trimmed down from a year ago and is moving much quicker... Very quick feet and explosive legs ... Runs the floor well ... Very aggressive under the basket ... With his long arms, plays big for his size ... Intimidating on the defensive end, good timing on shot blocks ... Loves to dunk the ball over guys ... Outstanding student with a 4.0 GPA in high school ...

Weaknesses: Must develop better moves around the basket ... Needs a couple years to develop his game ... Offensive game is still limited, his shooting form is good, just needs to keep working on it ... Needs to develop a mid range jump shot to complement his inside game ... Free throw shooting is really in need of improvement (under 40% as a freshman) ...

d_c
05-16-2008, 01:49 PM
Does anybody know much about DeVon Hardin? Sounds like he'd be a solid 2nd round pick to me.


He stinks. He's just not that good. That's about all there is to know.

LG33
05-16-2008, 01:53 PM
I think everyone in this draft will be a bust with the obvious exception of Kosta Koufos.

Oh, and CB34.

Speed
05-16-2008, 02:45 PM
"Stuckey is also the only rookie to both make the second round and average at least 12 minutes a game (he's getting 22.2). "


from Hollingers most recent article


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Speed
05-16-2008, 02:47 PM
I have a question, who is the best shooter in the draft?

Is there a pure shooter, if not who is the best?

Trader Joe
05-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Haven't seen either of the Euro's. I'd imagine one of them is known as a shooter. Would have said Gordon was the best shooter in the lottery till he went off the deep end late in the season.

Jonathan
05-16-2008, 02:55 PM
Wayne Ellington
Your thoughts?
I have seen him late first to mid second round on several sites?

I think he is not a quick fix but might be a very decent bench player in his career. No chance at 11 but if he is available at 41 do we draft him?

Trader Joe
05-16-2008, 02:55 PM
I really don't have much faith in anyone we pick in the second round.

Jonathan
05-16-2008, 02:57 PM
I have a question, who is the best shooter in the draft?

Is there a pure shooter, if not who is the best?

The "pure" shooters I think of are Jaycee Carroll & AJ Graves. Colorado has a relative of Kenyon Martin's Roby (i think) that can stroke the ball but he might not even get drafted.

Jonathan
05-16-2008, 02:58 PM
I really don't have much faith in anyone we pick in the second round.

You would buy a ten game package if we drafted you boy DJ White.

Trader Joe
05-16-2008, 02:59 PM
I've had season tickets for three years and had half year tickets this season. So its safe to say I'll be there anyway.

Will Galen
05-16-2008, 03:42 PM
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For complete analysis of who's in and out of the 2008 NBA draft, click here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=InOut).</photo1> LOS ANGELES -- Every year, top NBA prospects go through a certain rite of passage. They leave behind their college teams, sign up with an NBA trainer and try, in the space of a few weeks, to quickly polish their games for NBA draft workouts.
Sometimes, the quick results can be a little hard to swallow. Players who couldn't shoot a lick in college are suddenly draining 3-pointers in an empty gym. Big men look like they have the handle of a point guard.
Prospects can blow you away in a few minutes, and you pinch yourself and wonder, why didn't they play that way in college?
However, I've been in enough gyms over the years to know that players can get a significant advantage to both their draft stock and rookie years if they get in the right program. Players can change and, with great trainers like a Tim Grover or a Joe Abunassar, the results can be impressive.
Over the next few weeks, I'll be traveling across the country checking in with some of the top prospects in the draft. On Thursday, the process began at the Home Depot Center in Los Angeles. UCLA big man Kevin Love (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19130), Arizona swingman Chase Budinger (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19026), UCLA defender Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18978&draftyear=2008) and Colorado's Richard Roby (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=18887) headlined the group led by Abunassar Impact Basketball's founder.
Here's my report from Day 1.
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Kevin Love, PF, UCLA

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Love was the first player I wanted to see in this environment. We already know that he's one of the most skilled big men to ever enter the draft. His basketball skills, both in the paint and out on the perimeter, resemble those of an NBA veteran.
His basketball IQ is off the charts, his footwork is strong, his jump shot has range out to the NBA 3-point line, his outlet passes are legendary and he has a series of step-backs, up-and-unders and spins that made him one of the top 5 players in college basketball this season.
However, what Love has lacked is explosive athleticism and a chiseled, athletic body. As a freshman at UCLA, he often carried a spare tire around his waist. He seemed to run out of steam in up-tempo games and, at times, looked like he lacked the athleticism to excel in the pros.
Love's strengths and weaknesses have generated a huge debate among NBA scouts and executives about his NBA prospects. Sure, he knows how to play the game. But would that be enough in the up-and-down, breakneck pace of the NBA?
Abunassar has spent the past three weeks with Love and the results are really impressive. Love has lost 13 pounds since UCLA was bounced from the Final Four and he's starting to show muscle definition. He really is getting up and down the floor -- he went through a one-hour, fast-paced workout and finished with plenty of gas left in the tank.
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<!-- end whole table --> Love is clearly in much better shape than he was at UCLA and it dramatically improves his game. He's more explosive getting off the floor. He moves better laterally. And he isn't sacrificing the trademark strength that made him one of the toughest big men in college basketball.
Abunassar said a mixture of conditioning and dietary changes have led to Love's improvements. He now eats structured meals several times a day and is working out roughly five to six hours a day. In addition, Abunassar is working on improving Love's flexibility and agility -- which has really helped with his quickness on both ends of the floor.
"Kevin has been working hard," Abunassar said. "And I still feel like we're scratching the surface. He's probably going to lose about five more pounds before Orlando [the NBA pre-draft combines that begin May 27] and we're still working on his explosiveness and flexibility. Every week he's looking better and better."
Love's confidence shines through on the floor. He's taking the lead in drills, encouraging everyone in the gym and going all-out on every drill.
After the workout, he said he's treating basketball like a job. "I want to come in to work every day and put in 100 percent. I know NBA teams expect a lot and I don't want to disappoint them. I love the game and I want to be the best player I can be."
Love admits that he struggled to stay in great shape at UCLA and said he felt that his eating habits were the primary problem. Love said he didn't eat a lot of junk food (thought he mentioned a fondness for chocolate milk) but that he ate large quantities at bad times. Now he's spreading out his meals and it makes a difference.
On Thursday, at least, Love didn't look like the slow, unathletic big man that many NBA scouts had pegged him. He was pretty nimble on his feet.
"I'm telling you right now, I'm going to shock a lot of people coming to the combines," Love said. "Whether it's jumping off the floor or the agility drill or the three-quarter court sprint."
Watching Love work out and seeing his confidence has pushed me to rethink his draft stock. If he goes into pre-draft combines in great shape and shows he has the requisite athleticism and quickness to be a full-time NBA power forward, Love could really move up the board -- possibly in the 5-to-10 range in the draft.
We've already identified the Bobcats, Bulls and Pacers as possibilities. A few other teams higher up in the draft like the Grizzlies and Sonics might also have to give him serious consideration.

<hr> Chase Budinger, G/F, Arizona

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Budinger has less to prove in an environment like this. We already know Budinger is an excellent athlete with explosive leaping ability. He's rumored to have a 44-inch vertical jump, and the way he got up in the workouts led me to believe that it's possible.
He also has a rep as a lights-out shooter. He gets great elevation on his jump shot which should make it easy for him to get his shot off in the pros. I got to spend some time watching Budinger shoot from the NBA 3-point line and he looks like he'll make the adjustment just fine. He was even nailing some step-back 3s during one drill.
Fundamentally, Budinger has just about every offensive skill you'd ask for in a swingman, and he has excellent size for his position.
Budigner should really help himself in NBA workouts. The question he really can't answer in an environment like this is his aggressiveness. Budinger drew criticism throughout the year for, at times, disappearing on the floor.
Budinger can take over games, as the Kansas Jayhawks saw in the regular season. But other times he seemed content to defer to his teammates. For someone of his talent, that's raised some concerns.
Abunassar said he's not worried. "Chase has been working so hard, I just don't think you can read indifference into it. He cares. He really wants this. He's just the type of guy who is smooth and gets along with everyone. He wants everyone to succeed. I think he's going to be really good."
Budinger said he's still testing the draft waters and could return to Arizona for his junior season, but indicated that right now, his focus is on preparing for workouts with an eye toward staying in the draft.
"The biggest factor for me will be whether I'm ready or not for the draft," he said. "Draft status is a big deal, but it's not a huge deal for me. It's mostly to see if I'm mature and ready for the NBA."
We've had Budinger as high as No. 7 and as low as No. 16 on our Big Board. I expect he's the type of player who will help himself in draft workouts. He's just too skilled and athletic to ignore. I think at the end of the day, he's a likely lottery pick. He'd be great on a team like the Blazers or Suns (who hold the No. 15 pick via Atlanta), if they decide to continue to push the ball.

<hr> Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, F, UCLA

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Mbah a Moute was considered a potential lottery prospect after his freshman year, but his lack of development on the offensive end of the floor has hurt his stock.
Mbah a Moute remains one of the best defenders in the draft. He should have the ability to defend both 2s and 3s in the pros with his excellent combination of length, athleticism, lateral quickness and strength.
He's spent most of the past month trying to find a midrange jump shot. On Thursday, I saw improvements and even some range from the NBA 3-point line. It's clear he's really been working on his mechanics and it's beginning to pay off. However, he still has a ways to go before NBA teams are going to be convinced he can hit that shot in an NBA game with consistency.
If he can get on an up-and-down team and find a coach who sees a little Bruce Bowen in him, Mbah a Moute should find a home in the league. I don't think he'll be a first-rounder, but he's making the right adjustments to find a long-term home in the league.

Anthem
05-16-2008, 03:57 PM
But what did he measure at?

d_c
05-16-2008, 04:04 PM
But what did he measure at?

Those tend to happen at the Chicago combines.

Regardless, this is a typical Ford pre-draft hype article. He writes a couple of these every year. It really shouldn't do much to influence your opinion on Love either way.

Major Cold
05-16-2008, 04:42 PM
If Chase goes before the Pacers pick I will be surprised.

CableKC
05-16-2008, 05:44 PM
If Chase goes before the Pacers pick I will be surprised.
If Chase goes before the Pacers pick, I will be releived that Bird isn't give then choice of picking him up.

MyFavMartin
05-16-2008, 07:26 PM
I have a question, who is the best shooter in the draft?

Is there a pure shooter, if not who is the best?

Pure shooters?

Not sure if this means "all he can do is shoot", which I would answer Chase.

If you mean "whose shot is pure", I'd have to put Gordon at the top of the list, whose stroke looks good, but can do other things as well.

Hicks
05-16-2008, 07:59 PM
I think Love will be gone many picks before 11, unfortunately.

Anthem
05-16-2008, 09:43 PM
I think Love will be gone many picks before 11, unfortunately.
Yeah, looks that way.

On the other hand, it improves the odds that EJ will drop. :D

The top 5 (Rose/Beasley/Mayo/Bayless/Lopez) are set, although the order's up for grabs. The next 5, though... who knows? If Love is in that group, then somebody's coming out of it.

AesopRockOn
05-16-2008, 10:03 PM
He may not be the best (that could actually be Lofton) but he's got shot and would be a major steal for us in the second round: Courtney Lee out of WKU. REally solid backup SG for this year to prep to be a great role player or more. He'd be my second choice of pure SG role player type behind BRush.

Major Cold
05-16-2008, 10:22 PM
REhash:

Arthur
Randolph
Love
Gallinari
Gordon
Westbrook
Jordan
Augustin
Koufos
Greene
Batum
Speights (if he stays)

The next 12.
If Jordan, Greene, Gordon, Arthur, Speights, Westbrook, or Augustin have great work outs at the end of the week, then I would see that they good solidify the top ten on ability alone. I would say that Randolph, Love and Gallinari are locks in the top ten.

I would say that teams would have to pick between Gordon and Westbrook. Meaning we could the other or Jordan, Speights, Augustin, or Koufos (hope not).

I really don't see Chase nudging out Batum, but he could crack 10-15.

Keep in mind no one expected Villinueva to be picked 7th. Most mocks had him 10-15. If any of the above players are surprised picks it would be Arthur, Greene, or Speights.

My list is obvious.

I want :
either WEstbrook/Gordon
Speights
Arthur
Augustin

Love is out of the question because like T-Bird says he does not work well with Murphy, Ike, or Foster. I am not confident that Larry can get rid of Murphy. Can Love be utilized in the span of Murphy's contract (JOB will play him if he is here)? Cause not then both of them could be FA at the same year.

Major Cold
05-16-2008, 10:46 PM
All this talk of Rose might light a much needed fire under Beasley.

If he had the attitude and work ethic as some of the elite, there would be no doubt who the number one is. Beasley has a bigger bust factor because of his attitude and lack of determination. The game comes to him so easily. From inside to outside, the kid really has it all. But he knows it. And may never have the it factor that makes a great player, a legend. Derrick Coleman was the real deal coming out of college. Glenn Robinson as well (although he was just plain stupid). These are the truly talented that truly fell short of their potential and promise. And for what ever reason they fell, it is more possible that Beasley could suffer this fate than Rose.

But make no beef. If Beasley had the same head on his shoulders as Rose.....Beasley could be great... maybe legendary.

CableKC
05-16-2008, 11:20 PM
Yeah, looks that way.

On the other hand, it improves the odds that EJ will drop. :D

The top 5 (Rose/Beasley/Mayo/Bayless/Lopez) are set, although the order's up for grabs. The next 5, though... who knows? If Love is in that group, then somebody's coming out of it.
Honestly, if Love and Westbrook are not available at 11 and EJ somehow drops....I wouldn't mind drafting him.

Speed
05-22-2008, 12:49 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftNotes-080522&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dford_chad%26page%3dDraftNotes-080522

Rumors of "promises" to draft prospects start flooding in this time of year. The theory is that a team will promise a prospect that they will draft them if they refuse to work out for other teams.


On Wednesday I heard several interesting "promise" rumors. The first said that Texas A&M center DeAndre Jordan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19136) has a promise in the Top 5 of the draft. The two sources who gave me the information were NBA front office sources in the lottery who said that Jordan's agent, Joel Bell, wouldn't schedule workouts with them.


Jordan getting a promise that high is a little bit of a surprise. He has the physical tools to be an excellent NBA big man in a Dwight Howard type of mold. But he struggled mightily the second half of the season and many scouts question his motor and work ethic.
If it's true it's one of three teams -- the Wolves, Sonics or Grizzlies. All three need centers so … I guess it's plausible.


I will say this for Jordan, he's the highest risk-reward player in the draft. If he turns into Andrew Bynum or Howard someone will look like a genius. If he turns into the next Michael Olowokandi, someone will lose their job.

Major Cold
05-22-2008, 04:20 PM
That would push WEstbrook, Augustin, Love, and Gordon in our range.

Might as well lock this thread now.

Hicks
05-22-2008, 04:38 PM
I hope that's true. I'm too scared to gamble with him, and it bumps other players down to us.

himikey
05-22-2008, 04:52 PM
<hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="80%">Trent Plaisted (Provo): Do you pity the team that drafts me? I sure do.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: (1:40 PM ET ) I've heard Plaisted is in the draft for good -- that he's hired an agent. I will see him on Friday at a workout. He's here working out in LA with Don MacLean.
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:D

MyFavMartin
05-22-2008, 04:58 PM
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Rumor that Jordan has a top 5 guarantee!

Video also suggests Augustin to the Knicks at 6 based on need...

Could the Pacers pull a trade with either to move up and the partner still get their man and we get a shot at Bayless or Westbrook?

Jared Jammer
05-22-2008, 05:34 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallinari go top-5. A 6'10" SF that's already dominating in Europe at the age of 19. He's not your typical European prospect - he's a proven commodity.

Will Galen
05-22-2008, 07:09 PM
I like to read the rumors so my summer will be exciting . . . well make that interesting.

The Internet is going to be full of draft rumors until the draft on June 26. Already I've read where the draft picks of Miami #2, Seattle #4, Knicks #6, Bucks #7, NJ #10, and Portland #13, are available. There won't be much action until draft day though.

After the draft, the rumor mill will turn to free agents and be hot and heavy for a couple weeks but then after a flurry of signings everything will slow down until just before training camps begin.

As for players , there's rumors that Michael Redd and Kirk Hinrick are available. I'd like to have that backcourt, but I wouldn't want to pay for it.

Major Cold
05-22-2008, 07:21 PM
Jordan might have been thrown out there so others teams bite. If the same sources bad mouth Love and Randolph then you might expect those teams to draft them.

I really think we should not take every statement as serious as some would in lets say the NFL.

d_c
05-22-2008, 08:13 PM
The Internet is going to be full of draft rumors until the draft on June 26. Already I've read where the draft picks of Miami #2, Seattle #4, Knicks #6, Bucks #7, NJ #10, and Portland #13, are available. There won't be much action until draft day though.


Just my own prediction (and nothing else): the only one of those picks that's going to get traded is Portland's #13.

Every other one of those mentioned teams will keep their pick or swap up/down a couple spots.

OakMoses
05-23-2008, 11:27 AM
Love is out of the question because like T-Bird says he does not work well with Murphy, Ike, or Foster. I am not confident that Larry can get rid of Murphy. Can Love be utilized in the span of Murphy's contract (JOB will play him if he is here)? Cause not then both of them could be FA at the same year.

Are you really saying that you wouldn't draft Kevin Love, even if you thought he was the best player on the board, just because we have Troy Murphy? I like Troy, but that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

MyFavMartin
05-23-2008, 12:03 PM
If Bayless falls to the Knicks at #6 and we land Augustin at #11, do you think the Knicks would be interested in a trade of the two, considering there's a lot of hype of how Augustin would be a truer fit to D'Antoni's offense and running style?

(Yes, we'd have to add to the trade... Aug/Shawne/Tin for Bayless and Malik Rose, for example...)

Major Cold
05-23-2008, 12:10 PM
Are you really saying that you wouldn't draft Kevin Love, even if you thought he was the best player on the board, just because we have Troy Murphy? I like Troy, but that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.


What I am saying is that I think from 7-13 the talent is different but the degree of separtation is almost non-existent.

If Love, Westbrook, and Gordon is on the board I don't think we have to draft Love. We drafted Williams when we had a log jam. I really don't see having three non-athletic big men who cannot block shots.

Naptown_Seth
05-24-2008, 12:28 AM
If Chase goes before the Pacers pick I will be surprised.
I'll be thrilled. Someone will have screwed up and bumped a better player toward us....oh, and saved Bird from himself as Cable said. :)

Robertmto
05-24-2008, 12:56 AM
He's not your typical European prospect - he's a proven commodity.

So was Cabbage

And Fran Vazquez

And Darko (and I like the guy)

And Tskitishvili

And you get the point

Major Cold
05-24-2008, 08:59 AM
Euro players d not have the luster as they did a few years ago. Everyone was looking for the next Dirk. But then GMs realized that a D-Howard is better.

Mourning
05-24-2008, 12:31 PM
[url]
Video also suggests Augustin to the Knicks at 6 based on need...

Could the Pacers pull a trade with either to move up and the partner still get their man and we get a shot at Bayless or Westbrook?


That's Walsh in NY. In other words Augustine is now, unfortunately, pretty much the last player I expect the Knicks to be drafting.

Moving up a couple of places to take Gordon is starting to become my preference more and more. I think he will probably go 7-9. Moving up should be possible.

Chewy
05-24-2008, 12:56 PM
So was Cabbage

And Fran Vazquez

And Darko (and I like the guy)

And Tskitishvili

And you get the point

That is just not true, Cabbage yes, but Darko has never played in euroleague, Skita averaged 2 points and 1 rebound in euroleague, Vasquez is averaging 6.7 points and 2.9 rebounds this year, and other tall white dudes who can shoot like Lampe and your own Pecherov have never played at any decent level in europe. They were all picked on potential, with GM's trying to find the next Dirk, who is just a special case coming out of nowhere and developing his skills in nba. All these guys were practice wonders with good coordination and a good J in an empty gym.

Robertmto
05-24-2008, 03:03 PM
I've given up on all Euros in the nba. Period

wooolus
05-24-2008, 05:49 PM
I've given up on all Euros in the nba. Period

Tony Parker and his 3 championship rings want a word with you

owl
05-24-2008, 05:56 PM
Manu too.....

Major Cold
05-24-2008, 06:21 PM
No matter what you have to have a system that supports the talent. SAS have had a system that thrives on team work and hard nose playing. Oh yeah and have the best PF in the millinuem helps too.

But seriously if Duncan was in Toronto we would be talking about the Raps this year.

And Manu is from S. America. Argentina is no where near Europe.

owl
05-24-2008, 08:59 PM
And Manu is from S. America. Argentina is no where near Europe.


I did not know that(sarcasm). In any case
I took it as he had given up on anything other than American talent.

Major Cold
05-24-2008, 09:39 PM
I know I just thought I would give you a hard time.

Robertmto
05-24-2008, 09:59 PM
Tony Parker and his 3 championship rings want a word with you

sir flop a lot? he's a nobody without 2 all star talents and a great supporting cast

wooolus
05-24-2008, 11:13 PM
sir flop a lot? he's a nobody without 2 all star talents and a great supporting cast

You can say that for anyone, name one player won a championship playing 1 on 5

BlueNGold
05-24-2008, 11:40 PM
You can say that for anyone, name one player won a championship playing 1 on 5

No doubt. Michael Jordan was nothing without Pippen and Horace Grant.

Tony Parker is one of the best PG's in the league regardless of what team he plays on. He would be the best player on the Pacers...and about 10 other teams in the league.

Robertmto
05-25-2008, 12:50 AM
You can say that for anyone, name one player won a championship playing 1 on 5

Nobody has one on 5. But Tony Parker WOULD never BE AN anybody WITHOTU GREAT PLAYERS. He'd be pretty average with the players on about every team but the Spurs, Suns, Hornets, Lakers, Celtics and Magic.


No doubt. Michael Jordan was nothing without Pippen and Horace Grant.

Tony Parker is one of the best PG's in the league regardless of what team he plays on. He would be the best player on the Pacers...and about 10 other teams in the league.

MJ could have won a ring or 2 withotu them. Not 6, but about 2. He's the greatest.

Tony Parker would have zero without Timmy.

He's vastly overrated in my opinion.

Not a great shooter, great speed, but dominated by bigger guards, and gets about half the points if the refs don't call his flops in the lane

wooolus
05-25-2008, 01:20 AM
\MJ could have won a ring or 2 withotu them. Not 6, but about 2. He's the greatest.

Tony Parker would have zero without Timmy.

He's vastly overrated in my opinion.

Not a great shooter, great speed, but dominated by bigger guards, and gets about half the points if the refs don't call his flops in the lane

Kobe, not comparing him to Jordan, but he's the closest thing today, with a cast of Odom and scrubs couldn't get out of the first round or sometime even make the playoffs... and they Lakers weren't THAT good until they got Gasol...

I would consider the ability to get in the lanes a great skill, and one has to get in the lane first in order to get his "flops" called. Tony Parker is one of the best at using the tear drop and finish around the rim for someone that size, IMO he could be a great point guard on almost all NBA teams, definitely one of the best young PGs in the league

Jose Slaughter
05-25-2008, 03:22 AM
Maybe Dunacn is the scrub & he only looks good because he had David Robinson, then Bowen, Manu & Parker on his team.

Robertmto
05-25-2008, 03:29 AM
Maybe Dunacn is the scrub & he only looks good because he had David Robinson, then Bowen, Manu & Parker on his team.

somebody hose down Jose, he's gone crazy

Jared Jammer
05-25-2008, 04:19 AM
I'd bet any amount of money that Gallinari will end up going top-6. He's a better prospect than Andrea Bargnani, who went #1 in 2006.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the Wolves take him at #3. You don't pass up on such a talent because of Corey Brewer.

19 years young, 6'9"-6'10", putting up 18/6 in Italy while hitting 50%+ from 2s, 40%+ from 3s, and 85%+ from the line. Just a complete stud. If he miraculously slipped to #11, I'd have no problem with the Pacers picking him up even though we're set at SF. He's just too good of a talent to pass up.

Got these numbers from another website, Gallinari in 5 playoff games thus far....

35.8 mpg
21.0 ppg
67% from 2
40% from 3
87% free throw
7.0 rpg (1.8 off, 5.8 def)
0.4 bpg
2.2 spg
2.2 tpg
0.8 apg
5.2 fouls drawn

Chewy
05-25-2008, 05:59 AM
I've only seen 2 games of OJ Mayo, it's kind of hard to catch ncaa games in europe, but i think wolves would be stupid not to take him No.3, it's not like they have studs at the two with foye and mccants.

And why do the draft sites project Lopez going 3rd? There just seems something wrong with a center averaging 8 rebounds and shooting 47% in college.

owl
05-25-2008, 08:01 AM
sir flop a lot? he's a nobody without 2 all star talents and a great supporting cast

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++

I'll take Sir Flop A Lot Nobody for the Pacers any day. Championships are not without his
supporting cast.

BlueNGold
05-25-2008, 09:49 AM
Tony Parker would have zero without Timmy.

He's vastly overrated in my opinion.

Not a great shooter, great speed, but dominated by bigger guards, and gets about half the points if the refs don't call his flops in the lane

Yes, he would have zero without Duncan. So would Manu and Bowen.

However, the Spurs are not a dynasty just because of Duncan. They have several very talented players including Parker and a strong supporting cast. Like other great teams, they win multiple championships because their players...a large segment of their rosters...are simply better than other teams. That includes their PG.

I'm not sure how you think Parker is rated, but I don't think he's viewed as a top 5 PG in the league. He does have flaws. He is, however, well above average and a top 10 starting PG in the league.......#15 is average btw. He is probably the #3 player on the Spurs in terms of value....and would be #1 on many of the sad teams in the league including the Pacers. The Spurs as a whole are just that good.

Will Galen
05-25-2008, 11:04 AM
I'd bet any amount of money that Gallinari will end up going top-6. He's a better prospect than Andrea Bargnani, who went #1 in 2006.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the Wolves take him at #3. You don't pass up on such a talent because of Corey Brewer.

19 years young, 6'9"-6'10", putting up 18/6 in Italy while hitting 50%+ from 2s, 40%+ from 3s, and 85%+ from the line. Just a complete stud. If he miraculously slipped to #11, I'd have no problem with the Pacers picking him up even though we're set at SF. He's just too good of a talent to pass up.

Got these numbers from another website, Gallinari in 5 playoff games thus far....

35.8 mpg
21.0 ppg
67% from 2
40% from 3
87% free throw
7.0 rpg (1.8 off, 5.8 def)
0.4 bpg
2.2 spg
2.2 tpg
0.8 apg
5.2 fouls drawn

I'm beginning to think he's going at least in the top six myself. Here's what Marc Berman of the NY Post had to say about him.
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MEET THE ITALIAN STALLION
MILAN STAR ON KNICKS' RADAR
By MARC BERMAN

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Danilo Gallinari is a tough-as-nails Italian stallion who will become more popular than "The Sopranos" if drafted by the Knicks.

That's the view of some European-based NBA scouts who see Gallinari's skills, versatility, height, power, breeding and shot making worthy of a high lottery pick.

Others, however, wonder if Gallinari's athleticism is good enough for him to be a competent NBA defender at small forward.

Gallinari, a 19-year-old, 6-foot-10 superstar of the Italian League, has become the NBA draft's biggest mystery - as anonymous as Rocky before fighting Apollo Creed.

However, Gallinari is squarely on the Knicks' radar, especially after the lottery pingpong balls sent them falling to the sixth pick, especially with new coach Mike D'Antoni a connoisseur of Italian basketball.

Knicks president Donnie Walsh dispatched Isiah Thomas overseas last week to take a look at Gallinari.

Gallinari, playing in the Italian League playoffs for Armani Jeans Milan, likely will be the first European taken in the June 26 draft. Whether he is worthy of the sixth pick is something Walsh will agonize over for weeks.

Walsh is considering whether to make a draft-day deal, move down a few pegs, or trade the pick altogether if they can entice a team to take on Zach Randolph's cap-killing contract.

"He's better than [Andreas] Bargnani, no question," one longtime Eastern Conference European scout told The Post, referring to the No. 1 pick of the 2006 Draft. "He's Tom Chambers. Nobody's said that before.

"The guy doesn't back down from anybody. You're in his face. He'll get right back at them," the scout added. "Knick fans would love him. The only Europeans who succeed in the NBA are the tough ones . The Italian league is better than college. If you put him in college ball, he'd be getting 25-30 (points) a night and everyone would be going ga-ga."

At No. 6, the Knicks may be stuck in a position where speedy point guard Jerryd Bayless, combo guard O.J. Mayo and Stanford center Brook Lopez are off the board, leaving them with a pool of more questionable prospects.

Bayless, Mayo and Lopez are considered the three players most ready to make an impact next season after the obvious top two picks, Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley. With the draft order settled, the first mock draft for Insidehoops.com yesterday had the Knicks taking Gallinari, who would be the first European on their roster since Maciej Lampe in 2004. Thomas shunned European talent during his reign. Gallinari, averaging 17.4 points and 5.6 rebounds, is finishing up the Italian League playoffs and will miss the pre-draft camp physicals next week. Workouts with NBA teams loom pivotal.

"He's 6-10 with a lot of skill, not the usual European player who comes over here," Walsh said. "He could be a very high pick. Once he gets through his playoffs and works out for people, we'll know where his stock is, but he's a really good prospect."

Gallinari's father, Vittorio, was a Milan teammate of D'Antoni's for seven seasons. Vittorio is now a high-profile agent. D'Antoni speaks fluent Italian and would have an easier time reaching the teenager. One scout said he could be D'Antoni's New York version of Boris Diaw, using the small forward in the post on occasion to form mismatches, as he did with Diaw in Phoenix.
"There's a connection there, but I don't know what Donnie's thinking is," D'Antoni said.

Former Knicks international scouting director Tim Shea, who worked with D'Antoni in Phoenix, said, "[Vittorio] was the enforcer, he was the sheriff. He played defense like nobody's business. The son's not there but he's tough."

Another longtime NBA scouting director for Europe who lives in Italy said, "He's got a complete package, he can shoot, slash to the basket, he's a finisher, good body control. You can give him the ball with six seconds on the shot clock and he can get his shot off."

However, there are skeptics. One NBA executive is concerned about the younger Gallinari's athleticism.

"He's not a jumper," the executive said. "He's a guy who could struggle defensively if you speed up the game. It's a red flag."

Shea, coaching this season in South Korea, said, "The questions are lateral quickness and center of gravity and how he will cover guys. But the skills are there."
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As I said in another post. I'm going to have a lottery draft contest about two weeks before the draft. Right now I have Gallinari going to the Knicks at 6 but that could change.

Here's my tentative picks right now.

1] Chicago.... Beasley-Rose.
For all the talent they have Chicago has made a lot of dumb moves. I don't think they can really mess this one up though. I would take Rose and hope he turns out to be in the Paul-Williams class.

2] Miami....Beasley-Rose-Mayo.
Reports are Miami wants Rose and if they can't get him they might go for Mayo. Makes sense since they already have Haslim and Marion manning the forward positions.

3] Minn.... Beasley-B. Lopez-Gallinari
The Wolves really need another big to help out Al Jefferson in the post, so Beasley for sure if he drops, but Lopez most likely. But they could use a SF like Gallinari too.

4] Seattle....

That's all, run out of time.

CableKC
05-25-2008, 01:44 PM
The higher Galinnari is picked...the better....he just pushes other players down the ladder and gives us a better shot at someone decent.

tdubb03
05-25-2008, 01:46 PM
Out of Darrell Arthur and Mareese Speights which do you guys like more for us?

Mourning
05-25-2008, 01:51 PM
The higher Galinnari is picked...the better....he just pushes other players down the ladder and gives us a better shot at someone decent.

Except that he is a SF I think he is no doubt one of the best players in the draft. Beying a SF makes him less attractive to us, but by no means less talented :).

Mourning
05-25-2008, 01:54 PM
Not sure if this got posted anywhere else and also didn't feel the need to start a new topic about a draft ranking (as we will be flooded with those soon anyway), so here goes. I thought some picks were surprising.

"Mock Draft No. 1
In the first of many surprises sure to come, the Bulls turned the league's ninth-worst record into the No. 1 pick by winning the draft lottery -- and with it the right to instantly undo all of the negative trends that suddenly emerged this season. Their coaching job suddenly became more attractive, didn't it?

The swing picks up high in this draft will be at No. 3, where Minnesota could choose from any one of a half-dozen prospects, and No. 8, where the third tier of talent begins. New York is expected to be among the teams willing to consider trading its pick.

(Weigh in with your thoughts on the draft here.)


1 PF Michael Beasley Kansas State Fr. 6-10 235
The obvious thought is to pick Chicago native Derrick Rose. But Beasley is the most talented player in the draft, and the one thing the Bulls lack is an elite talent. For a franchise with championship aspirations, the early guess is that the Bulls risk passing up the sure thing in Rose to go for potentially the greatest thing in Beasley.

2 PG Derrick Rose Memphis Fr. 6-3 205
Pat Riley might have taken Rose with the No. 1 pick because of his character and leadership qualities. With a backcourt of Rose and Dwyane Wade, the Heat may be back in contention sooner than anticipated.

3 C Brook Lopez Stanford Soph. 7-0 260
Going with a true center enables them to shift Al Jefferson to his natural position of power forward and saves him from being worn down against bigger players. The Timberwolves may try to trade down to get Lopez a few picks later, but they'll risk losing him to Memphis, which is looking for size up front too.

4 G Jerryd Bayless Arizona Fr. 6-3 199
An explosive Gilbert Arenas-type who is more of a scorer than a point guard. Some will see him as a tweener, but the rebuilding Sonics have the flexibility and time to add the right pieces around him. He's another building block to go with Kevin Durant.

5 F/C Kevin Love UCLA Fr. 6-10 271
This may be a reach, but the Grizzlies need strength and toughness and they can get that from Love, who will also facilitate their offense with his playmaking and intelligence. There is no sure All-Star pick here, so why not go for someone who could help unleash their lively, young perimeter scorers?

6 SF Danilo Gallinari Armani Jeans Milan (Italy) -- 6-9 221
If the Knicks don't trade this pick, they'll go for the best international player in the draft -- and it won't be because Mike D'Antoni used to play with Gallinari's father on the Italian championship clubs in Milan. It will be because Gallinari is a better prospect than 2006 No. 1 pick Andrea Bargnani of Italy, he has been a 19-year-old leader of a Euroleague team and he has the athleticism, versatility and personality to succeed in New York.

7 SG O.J. Mayo USC Fr. 6-5 200
Never mind the amateur-rule controversies involving Mayo. He'll develop into a lockdown backcourt defender in addition to his combo-guard abilities. If Shaun Livingston returns in good shape from knee surgery, the Clippers will be strong in the backcourt for years to come.

8 SG Eric Gordon Indiana Fr. 6-4 215
He's the best player available here, an explosive scorer with a solid family background. His arrival may allow the Bucks to move Michael Redd's enormous salary if they're so disposed.

9 PG D.J. Augustin Texas Soph. 6-0 180
New coach Larry Brown will want a true point guard and this guy is it. He isn't nearly as fast as former Longhorn T.J. Ford, but he's a scrappy defender and a playmaker. Augustin also has a superior jump shot to neutralize his lack of size.

10 PF Darrell Arthur Kansas Soph. 6-9 225
Arthur enters the league with a feel for scoring in the paint as well as an emerging face-up game, and he can run the floor. He's raw but worth the investment as the Nets enter their transition from the Jason Kidd era.

11 G Russell Westbrook UCLA Soph. 6-3 189
The Pacers need to replace point guard Jamaal Tinsley, and Westbrook is the best available option here. He's been a combo guard for the Bruins, and at the very least he'll help the Pacers off the bench.

12 C DeAndre Jordan Texas A&M Fr. 7-0 255
A project big man with huge athletic upside. If his skills develop, he could complement last year's first-round pick, big man Spencer Hawes, for years.

13 SF Chase Budinger Arizona Soph. 6-7 203
An athletic, skilled shooter and excellent blend-in player, he'll help spread the floor around the Blazers' young stars. A complementary scorer who provides more depth to a team that has loads of it already.

14 PF Anthony Randolph LSU Fr. 6-11 220
Terrific upside but is a couple of years away from producing. He appears to have a lot in common with current Warrior Brandan Wright, but Golden State won't be able to pass on his open-court talent -- though Randolph will have to separate himself from the disappointing legacy of fellow LSU big men Stromile Swift and Tyrus Thomas.

15 SF Nicolas Batum Le Mans (France) -- 6-8 210
The Suns will be looking for defenders and the 19-year-old Batum has the potential to be a stopper on the wing as well as a scorer in the open floor.

16 SF Joe Alexander West Virginia Jr. 6-8 230
Alexander improved his stock with a breakout year. He's an athletic shooter who needs to improve his ball skills, but he isn't afraid to work.

17 F Donte Greene Syracuse Fr. 6-11 226
A frontcourt tweener, Greene will fit into the Raptors' jump-shooting offense. They'll value his ability to create his own shot on the perimeter.

18 C Javale McGee Nevada Soph. 7-0 237
The Wizards may trade this pick. If not, they may go for this long, athletic frontcourt player who needs to get stronger and improve his fundamentals.

19 G/F Brandon Rush Kansas Jr. 6-6 210
A big guard who can defend, a Josh Howard-type with an improving jumper. The hope is that he'll help spread the floor for LeBron James.

20 G/F Chris Douglas-Roberts Memphis Jr. 6-7 200
A scorer through and through, though his perimeter shooting needs work. He could earn minutes if the Nuggets make major moves in the next year to unload payroll.

21 PG Mario Chalmers Kansas Jr. 6-1 190
Chalmers is on his way to developing NBA playmaking skills. He's a smart defender who could overtake Marcus Williams as the Nets' backup point guard.

22 SG Courtney Lee Western Kentucky Sr. 6-5 200
An excellent shooter and smart player, but those who want a top-drawer athlete should look elsewhere. The Magic will be looking for help at this position and Lee could contribute immediately.

23 C Roy Hibbert Georgetown Sr. 7-2 275
Hibbert fills Utah's need for size up front. He'll be a solid backup center and fit nicely in their half-court offense.

24 PF Serge Ibaka L'Hospitalet (Spain) -- 6-10 220
A long-term investment who will need a couple of more years in Europe or in the D-League as he has been playing organized basketball for a short time. The rebuilding Sonics can afford to let the 18-year-old from Congo develop.

25 C Alexis Ajinca Hyeres-Toulon (France) -- 7-1 240
The 20-year-old showed big improvement this year. He's long and nimble with perimeter shooting skills, but he needs to keep building his strength.

26 PF Jason Thompson Rider Sr. 6-11 250
A long, unselfish big man who might be able to help the Spurs off the bench as a scorer and rebounder in a year or two. He needs to get stronger, but he's skilled.

27 C Kosta Koufos Ohio State Fr. 7-0 265
A versatile center who could affect the Hornets' rotation as a rookie. He can score inside and from the perimeter, but he'll never be an elite athlete.

28 F/C Marreese Speights Florida Soph. 6-10 245
A big man with abundant physical tools and soft touch around the basket, but he has a lot to learn. Fortunately for him, coach Marc Iavaroni takes pride in developing big men.

29 PG Ty Lawson North Carolina Soph. 5-11 195
A small point guard but arguably the fastest player in the draft. Lawson isn't a great shooter but he'll push tempo and could learn to cause problems for a few minutes per game defensively in the mode of Lindsey Hunter.

30 SG J.R. Giddens New Mexico Sr. 6-5 205
An athletic guard with size and range to the three-point line. He could provide bench help within a couple of years."

Source: CNNSI.com
Link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/05/21/mock.draft/index.html

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Pacersfan46
05-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Anthony Randolph slides past us? I want a PG pretty badly, and I want Westbrook pretty bad as well (not for full time PG duties). However, if Randolph is there I would be pleasantly surprised if we took him as well.

-- Steve --

d_c
05-25-2008, 04:07 PM
Not sure if this got posted anywhere else and also didn't feel the need to start a new topic about a draft ranking (as we will be flooded with those soon anyway), so here goes. I thought some picks were surprising.

Source: CNNSI.com
Link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/05/21/mock.draft/index.html

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

That sounds pretty realistic from #1-8, but he's got some major holes..

-Augustin at #9 is a major league reach. What's the guarantee for the Bobcats that this guy is even better than Raymond Felton? If you can't say without any hesitation that he's better than the PG you just drafted 3 years ago at #5, then what are you doing drafting Augustin?

-DeAndre Jordan to Sac at #12? Didn't they just draft a 19 year old center last year? I don't see Jordan on the Kings' radar. Again, does Thomsen even bother to look at what's already on the roster?

-I don't see a talent like Anthony Randolph falling to the W's at #14, not that I'd be complaining if he did, but I just don't see it happening.

-I don't see Mareese Speights falling to #28. Maybe I'm going out on a limb, but I don't see it happening.

Jared Jammer
05-25-2008, 04:37 PM
-DeAndre Jordan to Sac at #12? Didn't they just draft a 19 year old center last year? I don't see Jordan on the Kings' radar. Again, does Thomsen even bother to look at what's already on the roster?

Hawes was mentioned. His reasoning was, basically, that a big shot blocker like Jordan would compliment a scorer like Hawes. I can't disagree with him, and at #12, Jordan probably has too much upside to pass up.




9 PG D.J. Augustin Texas Soph. 6-0 180
New coach Larry Brown will want a true point guard and this guy is it. He isn't nearly as fast as former Longhorn T.J. Ford, but he's a scrappy defender and a playmaker. Augustin also has a superior jump shot to neutralize his lack of size.

Interesting that he says that, when the biggest knock I've seen against Augustin is his defense. Of course Chris Paul was named to the All-Defensive 2nd team this year, and he's of identical size to Augustin, so maybe his size wont be such a defensive liability after all?

Personally, I wouldn't mind the Bobcats taking D.J. at #9, as it would likely mean Felton would be available. We might be able to scrap together a decent offer, if we're willing to take on another point guard that's not a very good shooter, a la Jamaal Tinsley.

tdubb03
05-25-2008, 04:44 PM
Interesting that he says that, when the biggest knock I've seen against Augustin is his defense. Of course Chris Paul was named to the All-Defensive 2nd team this year, and he's of identical size to Augustin, so maybe his size wont be such a defensive liability after all?

I don't think "scrappy" necessarily means good or anything like that. Just that he consistently tries hard on the defensive end, which I'd agree with. His physical limitations are just too much to be a good defender.

d_c
05-25-2008, 04:53 PM
Hawes was mentioned. His reasoning was, basically, that a big shot blocker like Jordan would compliment a scorer like Hawes. I can't disagree with him, and at #12, Jordan probably has too much upside to pass up.

Interesting that he says that, when the biggest knock I've seen against Augustin is his defense. Of course Chris Paul was named to the All-Defensive 2nd team this year, and he's of identical size to Augustin, so maybe his size wont be such a defensive liability after all?

Personally, I wouldn't mind the Bobcats taking D.J. at #9, as it would likely mean Felton would be available. We might be able to scrap together a decent offer, if we're willing to take on another point guard that's not a very good shooter, a la Jamaal Tinsley.

My bad, I missed his mention of Hawes, but that frontline doesn't work. Jordan isn't quite the shotblocking presence Thomsen makes him out to be and neither of those guys has the footspeed to guard PFs out on the perimeter. Under the most ideal theoretical circumstances, that combo could work if those guys totally developed to their fullest, but this is reality and these are bigmen we're talking about.

Offensively, they'd be pretty easy to guard unless Jordan could somehow turn into Hakeem, which I doubt happens.

I just don't understand spending the #9 pick on a so-so PG prospect when he's not even guaranteed to be better than the PG they just drafted 3 years ago.

And just because Paul is a good defensive player doesn't mean that most 5'11"-6' pgs (and Augustin is probably smaller than this) aren't going to have problems due to their size. Paul is truly one of the greats. He's a freak. A rare exception.

Assuming that Augustin will have no problems defensively due to his size by using Chris Paul as an example is like saying every 30 year old PG in the league still has his best days ahead of him by using Steve Nash as an example. He's a rarity.

Robertmto
05-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Yes, he would have zero without Duncan. So would Manu and Bowen.

However, the Spurs are not a dynasty just because of Duncan. They have several very talented players including Parker and a strong supporting cast. Like other great teams, they win multiple championships because their players...a large segment of their rosters...are simply better than other teams. That includes their PG.

I'm not sure how you think Parker is rated, but I don't think he's viewed as a top 5 PG in the league. He does have flaws. He is, however, well above average and a top 10 starting PG in the league.......#15 is average btw. He is probably the #3 player on the Spurs in terms of value....and would be #1 on many of the sad teams in the league including the Pacers. The Spurs as a whole are just that good.

Yea he probably is top 10. However there is a pretty big drop off after CP3, Deron, Nash

Major Cold
05-25-2008, 06:35 PM
SI nfl mock was messed up as well. If Mayo drops to 7 I may drop my jaw. Speights at 28th is just plan dumb. I just do not see Love getting drafted top 5. Quickly after, yes. But if he is drafted that high then his workouts must be impressive.

croz24
05-26-2008, 01:02 AM
some good news imo, it looks like jason thompson's shoulder injury could cause him to slide in the upcoming draft. i'd love to get him with a late 1st/early 2nd.

owl
05-26-2008, 05:13 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/jawaiinterview001.asp

An interesting interview and some comments about Speights and Alexander.

Doddage
05-26-2008, 07:04 PM
Yea he probably is top 10. However there is a pretty big drop off after CP3.
Fixed.

croz24
05-26-2008, 09:45 PM
Fixed.

deron and nash have both taken their teams further in the playoffs and more often. so cp3, deron, nash is appropriate.

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 09:56 PM
deron and nash have both taken their teams further in the playoffs and more often. so cp3, deron, nash is appropriate.

nash and Deron both have multiple players who've been All Stars.

Chris Paul doesn't have a player on that roster who's EVER been an All Star.

-- Steve --

Major Cold
05-26-2008, 10:00 PM
Peja?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peja_Stojakovic

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:06 PM
Peja?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peja_Stojakovic

You know, I thought that, but when I looked here ....

http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=STOJAPR01

It has no "A" next to any of his seasons for All Star appearances. I've used that site for 5 years, it's the first time I've ever seen it be incorrect. Huh.

Either way, Deron and Nash have had All Stars in the years they've played there. I guess Paul just hasn't had a current All Star on his team before.

-- Steve --

croz24
05-26-2008, 10:07 PM
nash and Deron both have multiple players who've been All Stars.

Chris Paul doesn't have a player on that roster who's EVER been an All Star.

-- Steve --

who exactly have the jazz added in the last 3yrs? b/c it's not like the jazz were that much better than the hornets when they selected deron one spot ahead of paul. btw, kirilenko, boozer, okur have a combined 4 all-star appearances. peja and west have a combined 4 all-star appearances. might want to recant that last statement.

Major Cold
05-26-2008, 10:08 PM
Nash made Marion an All-Star.

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Nash made Marion an All-Star.

So the All Star appearance Marion had before Nash was in Phoenix was because of Nash? No wonder he wins MVP's! He makes guys All Star players while not even their teammate!

-- Steve --

croz24
05-26-2008, 10:14 PM
You know, I thought that, but when I looked here ....

http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=STOJAPR01

It has no "A" next to any of his seasons for All Star appearances. I've used that site for 5 years, it's the first time I've ever seen it be incorrect. Huh.

Either way, Deron and Nash have had All Stars in the years they've played there. I guess Paul just hasn't had a current All Star on his team before.

-- Steve --

so we can say that paul made west an all-star yet we can't state that deron made boozer and freaking mehmet okur all-stars...

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:14 PM
Wow, West doesn't show up as an All Star on that site either. Well I found the 1 thing not to trust them on. lol

-- Steve --

croz24
05-26-2008, 10:15 PM
So the All Star appearance Marion had before Nash was in Phoenix was because of Nash? No wonder he wins MVP's! He makes guys All Star players while not even their teammate!

-- Steve --

so we can say that paul made west an all-star yet we can't state that deron made boozer and freaking mehmet okur all-stars...0 all star appearances apiece prior to the pgs arriving...

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:15 PM
so we can say that paul made west an all-star yet we can't state that deron made boozer and freaking mehmet okur all-stars...

Have I even mentioned Deron in that manner yet? Wow, putting words in a mans mouth.

-- Steve --

mrknowname
05-26-2008, 10:30 PM
wasn't david west an all star this past season????????

edit: i'd take paul over nash and deron

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:37 PM
wasn't david west an all star this past season????????

edit: i'd take paul over nash and deron

I already corrected myself and mentioned that. The site I was using doesn't note All Star seasons for players very well.

-- Steve --

croz24
05-26-2008, 10:40 PM
Have I even mentioned Deron in that manner yet? Wow, putting words in a mans mouth.

-- Steve --

did i state you did? or did i even phrase it as a question as though you did? it was a statement of assumption by me...but i'd just stop now b/c you've been factually incorrect now twice in a row. did you just not realize peja and west played for the hornets?

Pacersfan46
05-26-2008, 10:59 PM
did i state you did? or did i even phrase it as a question as though you did? it was a statement of assumption by me...but i'd just stop now b/c you've been factually incorrect now twice in a row. did you just not realize peja and west played for the hornets?

Actually, I stated why I was wrong, and acknowledged it. Since you missed it TWICE, it was a bad source.

Secondly, you quoted me when you stated it a 2nd time, now didn't you? Generally a good clue that you're referring to me, right? Here, let me show you.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=724631&postcount=1696

I guess you've been common sensically incorrect, should just stop there, right? :rolleyes: Get outta here. Goodness you're overbearing.

mrknowname
05-26-2008, 11:30 PM
I already corrected myself and mentioned that. The site I was using doesn't note All Star seasons for players very well.

-- Steve --

yeah i kind skimmed through all the arguing and missed your post about west lol

Will Galen
05-26-2008, 11:52 PM
yeah i kind skimmed through all the pointless arguing and missed your post about west lol

Fixed

Doddage
05-27-2008, 12:35 AM
deron and nash have both taken their teams further in the playoffs and more often. so cp3, deron, nash is appropriate.
Nash is aging and all you have to do is compare dwill and cp3s seasons. Cp3's was OUTSTANDING, being among the league leaders in ppg and leading in apg and spg. Cp3 is truly in a league of his own and you'd need to watch him to appreciate that.

croz24
05-27-2008, 12:48 AM
Nash is aging and all you have to do is compare dwill and cp3s seasons. Cp3's was OUTSTANDING, being among the league leaders in ppg and leading in apg and spg. Cp3 is truly in a league of his own and you'd need to watch him to appreciate that.

so dodd, we are now only comparing players based on statistics? last i checked, williams led his team to a conference finals and the 2nd round while paul has led his team to a 2nd round birth...just because dwight howard put up better numbers than tim duncan, doesn't mean he's the better player...

Doddage
05-27-2008, 01:37 AM
so dodd, we are now only comparing players based on statistics? last i checked, williams led his team to a conference finals and the 2nd round while paul has led his team to a 2nd round birth...just because dwight howard put up better numbers than tim duncan, doesn't mean he's the better player...
Deron had a healthy team all last year when the jazz made the wcf...hornets didn't have the same fortunes as key players in west and peja were out for at least significant parts of the season, take boozer and ak out and the same would have happened to the jazz...so you have to consider that. But you have to realize that the stats actually are substantive here since the hornets had the 2nd best record in a damn competitive western conference. Its not really the same thing at all with td and d12 since the spurs won more games and everyone knows that td is better. I just don't see how you can debate this when you havent watched enough games and are merely using blunt historical facts without taking other factors into consideration.

Pacersfan46
05-27-2008, 01:49 AM
Fixed

1. Then why comment at all? You just potentially dragged yourself into it. When you didn't even have any real comment on it. That seems as pointless as the initial argument. Nothing good comes from you throwing in your two pennies in such a manner other than possibly annoying the people who were involved. Which ... really isn't good, it could just start another pointless argument. Agreed?

2. That's why he's now only the 2nd person to make my ignore list. He's always so overbearing, but never towards me before. Sillyness. :)

-- Steve --

Kraft
05-27-2008, 02:08 AM
You know, I've been a culprit before, but I think I've gotten to the point where the whole 'Fixed' bit makes me want to punch something.

At this point, it really grinds my gears.

And no offense meant to anyone who uses/used it. I know it's mostly in good fun.

Kstat
05-27-2008, 02:53 AM
...trolls with no life FTW!

croz24
05-27-2008, 03:00 AM
Deron had a healthy team all last year when the jazz made the wcf...hornets didn't have the same fortunes as key players in west and peja were out for at least significant parts of the season, take boozer and ak out and the same would have happened to the jazz...so you have to consider that. But you have to realize that the stats actually are substantive here since the hornets had the 2nd best record in a damn competitive western conference. Its not really the same thing at all with td and d12 since the spurs won more games and everyone knows that td is better. I just don't see how you can debate this when you havent watched enough games and are merely using blunt historical facts without taking other factors into consideration.

does "everyone" know that duncan is better RIGHT NOW? i doubt that's the case...i'm also not the one who stated that 2 time mvp steve nash and all-nba deron williams weren't in the same league as cp3 when in fact nash and williams have led their teams further in the postseason than cp3. when your best argument is "watch the games", then you my friend have no argument. paul is a top pg and probably the top pg in the game, but stating those 2 not being in the same league is awfully outlandish. do you feel finals mvps billups and parker are also not in cp3's league?

Doddage
05-27-2008, 03:57 AM
does "everyone" know that duncan is better RIGHT NOW? i doubt that's the case...i'm also not the one who stated that 2 time mvp steve nash and all-nba deron williams weren't in the same league as cp3 when in fact nash and williams have led their teams further in the postseason than cp3. when your best argument is "watch the games", then you my friend have no argument. paul is a top pg and probably the top pg in the game, but stating those 2 not being in the same league is awfully outlandish. do you feel finals mvps billups and parker are also not in cp3's league?
it evidently wasn't my only argument if you had read any of my other comments...but it does help to actually watch NBA games as opposed to being the NBA version of kofi and just throw out facts that have do not take other factors into account...no one ever said other Pgs like dwill Nash billups Parker etc weren't good but they're simply not as good as cp3. Were talking about a guy who led his team to take the defending champions to the limit and put on dominant and consistent performances all year on top of that. He was the number one scoring AND playmaking option on a team that was before an afterthought in the league and has ascended them to legitimacy... How is he NOT in his own league?

croz24
05-27-2008, 05:02 AM
it evidently wasn't my only argument if you had read any of my other comments...but it does help to actually watch NBA games as opposed to being the NBA version of kofi and just throw out facts that have do not take other factors into account...no one ever said other Pgs like dwill Nash billups Parker etc weren't good but they're simply not as good as cp3. Were talking about a guy who led his team to take the defending champions to the limit and put on dominant and consistent performances all year on top of that. He was the number one scoring AND playmaking option on a team that was before an afterthought in the league and has ascended them to legitimacy... How is he NOT in his own league?

maybe because a guy like steve nash has 2 mvps and 6 all-nba's to his name, tony parker has 3 nba titles and a finals mvp, chauncey billups has 2 finals appearances with 1 title and a finals mvp and has his team 2 games from the finals again this year, and outside of paul's rookie year, he and williams have had fairly equal stats and equal impacts on their teams' winning. to say paul is in a "league of his own" as though he's that much better than said pgs is indeed foolish imo...

btw, what were the suns the year before nash (29-53 to 62-20and a wcf birth)...what were the jazz the year before williams (26-56 to 41-41)...looks to me like chris paul isn't the only player to lead an afterthought team to legitimacy...

Doddage
05-27-2008, 05:56 AM
all you're spitting out right now is past accolades which are useless/moot in this debate...chris paul is the best point guard in the league and is in his own league right now. I don't see why I have to explain this to you. Although if you insist to say things that aren't relevant to this, by all means continue...

Anthem
05-27-2008, 08:02 AM
I'm gonna put this in the nicest way possible - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Zero. Chewy has already addressed your ignorance, so I wont go into detail. Please just educate yourself before making any more factually inaccurate posts.

Have you ever considered that maybe this whole basketball thing is a little bit too complicated for you? Maybe you'd be better off with a coloring book and a box of crayons?
I'm sure I've read this exact post before. But I can't find it.

I've not been paying attention.... who did this guy turn out to be? Was it kofi?

Will Galen
05-27-2008, 08:04 AM
Fixed


1. Then why comment at all? You just potentially dragged yourself into it. When you didn't even have any real comment on it. That seems as pointless as the initial argument. Nothing good comes from you throwing in your two pennies in such a manner other than possibly annoying the people who were involved. Which ... really isn't good, it could just start another pointless argument. Agreed?

I wasn't referring to you when I pointed out that there is a lot of pointless argument going on on here. I skipped over most of the argument.

Look at all the different mock drafts that are popping up. None of them are the same. Even the best talent evaluators in the world disagree with each other. The point being that people disagree. Now if you are just pulling someones chain, that's okay, sometimes. And if both sides are enjoying the debate, more power to you. However, if you're getting angry, or you know the other guy is getting angry, then it becomes a pointless argument.

And it's impossible to drag me into a pointless argument because I always get it right the first time so I see no need to refute anything that could possibility be said in rebuttal. (grin)

Speed
05-27-2008, 08:15 AM
Larry Bird's an ignorant hick that has a fetish for white players and small forwards, so the pick is almost guaranteed to be West Virginia's Joe Alexander if he's available.

This is trolling, but I really get the feeling Joe Alexander is the pick and the reason is, I keep hearing how there is all of these veristle players available by tptb or at least the guy they have in mind, big time.

I also think the guy has the goods to be a legit big time player. He has the size, he's one of the top 5 athletes in the draft, I think.

He has everything you look for as far as handles and the shot is somewhat there, but looks like it'll get much better. He has the size to play the four, in an up tempo attack.

It's interesting because you could argue he's ANOTHER small forward.

I would hope if this IS THE GUY, that there is a move that gets a point guard for Dunleavy.

DGPR
05-27-2008, 08:16 AM
There is about 2 solid pages of pointless arguing going on here.

Hicks
05-27-2008, 09:56 AM
I'm sure I've read this exact post before. But I can't find it.

I've not been paying attention.... who did this guy turn out to be? Was it kofi?

Kofi, Sassan, Jared Jammer, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. I think he has a crush on all of us. :flirt:

Anthem
05-27-2008, 10:54 AM
Kofi, Sassan, Jared Jammer, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. I think he has a crush on all of us. :flirt:
wth, Kofi was Sassan? How did I miss that?

Speed
05-27-2008, 10:56 AM
wth, Kofi was Sassan? How did I miss that?

Sassan, the little kid who was a Laker fan and had a picture with Mark Jackson or maybe it was Reggie waaaayyy back on Rats????????? He was self proclaimed persian ethnicity, if I remember right???? Or is this someone else?

Hicks
05-27-2008, 10:57 AM
No, that's him.

Speed
05-27-2008, 10:58 AM
No, that's him.

Wow, he's gotta be at LEAST mid 20s now.

Hicks
05-27-2008, 11:02 AM
Wow, he's gotta be at LEAST mid 20s now.

As I recall, he and I are less than a month apart in age (both born May '84), so he is 24.

Major Cold
05-27-2008, 11:22 AM
Brandon Rush (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Rush-78/)

Rush has spent some time working on his body since the season ended, that much is evident. His upper body looks quite a bit more toned these days, although his lower body still needs some work. His wingspan is fantastic, likely somewhere in the 7-foot range, and he really knows how to use it to its fullest to get his shot off with his high release point.

Rush’s strength and size makes shooting from behind the NBA 3-point line a piece of cake in this setting. He looked effortless knocking down shot after shot, and only needed a glimpse of daylight to spot up while being defended in a fairly competitive pickup game by Bobby Simmons (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Simmons-4340/). He also defended him extremely well on the other side of the ball, using his length and height to contest his shots effectively, and not being afraid to fight back when the much stronger veteran took him down to the paint and posted him up.

In terms of weaknesses, Rush’s ball-handling skills are clearly a work in progress—the ball slows him down and he struggles a bit to beat guys off the dribble. The obvious lack of aggression he showed at times offensively at Kansas wasn’t something you could really measure in this type of setting. Still, teams are going to like the things that he brings to the table—size, athleticism, length, perimeter shooting, and excellent defensive ability—the combination of which is pretty hard to find in an NBA swingman, and could make him a very safe pick starting in the late lottery. There were rumblings here in Chicago that Phoenix in particular at #15 has taken a liking to him.

Less than a year removed from the ACL surgery that forced him to return to Kansas last season and indirectly helped him win a national championship, Rush’s athleticism is slowly returning to the level it was prior to his injury. It wouldn’t be surprising if he looked a lot more explosive in his rookie season than he did in his final year in college, ala Carl Landry (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Carl-Landry-461/), as it often takes up to 18 months to fully recover from the surgery (which many players now return much stronger from.)

Thoughts from Procopio: “Brandon Rush (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Rush-78/) is one of the top wing players in the draft. No one plays off the ball better than him. He brings a lot of things to the table, starting with his very good size, which allow him to play either the 2 or the 3. He is long, athletic, and has a great basketball IQ. He can already make shots from deep. You can run him off pick and roll plays, pin downs, and he’s great in transition.

He reminds me of Caron Butler (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Caron-Butler-1894/). He has the ability to handle the ball, spot-up and make deep shots, and defend. He can do so much. The sky is the limit for him. I think in time, he develop into a team’s second or third best player. He can be a top 50 player in this league without question, because he can do so much, and he’s so athletically gifted. At that position you need, length, speed, size, and skills-- and he has all that. Some of the 2’s in this draft are very limited, very undersized. This kid can do a lot of things. He’s been going full speed since he got here. He has a lot of upside. He’s a guy you have to discuss from 5 on. You can put him in the same breath as Gallinari, Eric Gordon (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Eric-Gordon-328/). He needs to learn some things, but I really like Brandon Rush (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Rush-78/), I’m a big fan. Whether we trained him or not.”

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Cross-Country-Workout-Swing,-Part-5,-A.T.T.A.C.K.-Athletics,-Chicago-2893/


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the entire article is good

Kraft
05-27-2008, 11:58 AM
I love Brandon Rush. Serious man-crush.

Speed
05-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Do we know who all the guys in the video are?

Major Cold
05-27-2008, 12:11 PM
Purple shorts is Walker
All gray is mayo
Gray top with gray/white is CDR
Blue is DaJuan Wagner

Speed
05-27-2008, 01:12 PM
Nothing earth shattering, but I didn't know Pacers assistant Frank Vogel is coaching a team in Orlando. Also, one of Wells' editors seems clueless.

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/

I was sitting in the media center at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway waiting to help cover my first Indy 500 when Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock came over to me and mentioned the ad from Larry Bird in Sunday's Star.

Bird talked about their preparation for next month's draft. Bird, general manager David Morway, coach Jim O'Brien and the scouting department will be in Orlando this week for the predraft camp. Pacers assistant coach Frank Vogel is coaching one of the teams down there.

My new partner on the beat, Jeff Rabjohns, will be down in Orlando this week, too.

The part that stood out to me in the ad was that the Pacers are letting the media talk to the players they bring in for workouts, which is scheduled to start the first week of June. This is the first time that I'll be able to watch workouts since I was in Minnesota.

There's been a lot of talk by people, myself included, that the Pacers need to draft a point guard with the No. 11 pick. Their other glaring need is finding a defensive-minded big man because they let teams go through lay-up and alley-oop drills against them last season. It was even worse when Jermaine O'Neal was out the lineup.

One of my editors is always in my ear telling me that the Pacers need to draft Georgetown's Roy Hibbert. I'm not sold on that for a couple of reasons.

1. The NBA is a guard-oriented league.

2. Hibbert is not worth taking at No. 11.

What do you want to see the Pacers do: Go big or go small?

OakMoses
05-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Interesting stuff from Draft Express:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Love-to-Minnesota--2898/

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Word on the Street: Love to Minnesota? </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>by: Jonathan Givony - President</TD></TR><TR><TD>May 27, 2008</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>McHale in Love with Kevin Love (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/)?

Numerous sources with varying ties to Minnesota confirmed to DraftExpress over the past few days that Timberwolves GM Kevin McHale (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Mchale-3523/) has locked in on UCLA (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Love-to-Minnesota--2898/#) freshman Kevin Love (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/) as possibly his favorite prospect in this draft. McHale reportedly likes the skill-level and all-around feel for the game that Love brings to the table, as well as his winning mentality, and sees him as an excellent potential compliment to Al Jefferson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Al-Jefferson-2979/) in Minnesota’s front-court.

Picking 3rd in this draft, many would consider it a reach to take Love, although numerous advanced statistical formulas (http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?sort=&league=NCAA&q=usage&year=2007%2F08&per=pergame&min=20&stage=all&pos=all&qual=sec2008) have identified him as being the 2nd most productive player in this draft, behind Michael Beasley (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Beasley-605/).

There is already some talk that Minnesota will look to make a trade with Memphis GM Chris Wallace, who would then have the option of fortifying his front-court by drafting Brook Lopez (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/) at #3, or swinging for the fences and taking O.J. Mayo (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/O.J.-Mayo-238/). Memphis could offer Minnesota the young prospect of their choice in Kyle Lowry (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyle-Lowry-608/), Hakim Warrick (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Hakim-Warrick-42/) or Javaris Crittenton (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Javaris-Crittenton-562/) to help facilitate the deal. Wallace only has two more years left on his contract and needs to make as big a splash as possible in this draft to jump-start Memphis’ rebuilding process, meaning he could be leaning more towards taking Mayo, especially if his team is drafting 5th.

Seattle Locking into Bayless at #4?

Although Sam Presti has to be considered one of the best GMs in the league in terms of holding his cards as close to the vest as possible, early indications are that the Supersonics are heavily targeting Arizona freshman point guard Jerryd Bayless (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jerryd-Bayless-1067/), barring poor workouts (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Love-to-Minnesota--2898/#) or background checks. Reports we’ve gotten indicate that Bayless will measure out extremely well as far as his intangibles are concerned, as he’s a highly motivated and engaging person who comes from a strong background.
Bayless fits the up-tempo early-offense system that P.J. Carlesimo has implemented in Seattle, and can play minutes alongside their existing point guard rotation of Earl Watson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Earl-Watson-4787/) and Luke Ridnour (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Luke-Ridnour-4091/) until he’s ready to man the position full-time. Seattle had the 4th fastest paced offense (http://www.draftexpress.com/teamstats.php?year=2007/08&league=NBA&sort2=DESC&q=usage&per=game&sort=6) in the NBA (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Love-to-Minnesota--2898/#) last year, but finished dead last (http://www.draftexpress.com/teamstats.php?year=2007/08&league=NBA&sort2=DESC&q=usage&per=game&sort=8) in points per possession and near the bottom (http://www.draftexpress.com/teamstats.php?year=2007/08&league=NBA&sort2=DESC&q=eff&per=game&sort=6) in true shooting percentage. A big time athlete and shooter like Bayless could help in that regard.

NBA teams (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Love-to-Minnesota--2898/#) we spoke with indicated that their intel suggests that Presti is also high on Indiana shooting guard Eric Gordon (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Eric-Gordon-328/), although he might be a bit of a reach with the 4th overall pick.

Is 7th a Reach for Augustin?

In desperate need of help at the point guard position, and with D.J. Augustin (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Augustin-1181/) in their sights holding the 7th overall pick, the Clippers are pondering whether to pull the trigger on the extremely productive sophomore playmaker from Texas. Augustin will clearly be the best point guard on the board, but may be a bit of a reach where they are selecting. Workouts will play a big role in the decision of Elgin Baylor (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elgin-Baylor-1627/) and key decision maker Mike Dunleavy (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mike-Dunleavy-2293/) Sr. They will also likely nab a big man with the 35th pick.

Adding interest is the fact that Augustin has reportedly decided to hire Thad Foucher of Los Angeles-based agency Wasserman Media Group as his representation. Foucher is from Augustin’s home-town of New Orleans, and the agency has strong ties to the Texas program, currently representing LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LaMarcus-Aldridge-55/). If Augustin is selected in the top 10, WMG could have 5 of the top 10 picks in the draft, as they also represent Derek Rose, Brook Lopez (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/), Danilo Gallinari (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/) and Anthony Randolph (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Randolph-1069/). There are rumors that they may end up signing Russell Westbrook (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Russell-Westbrook-5062/) as well.

Augustin has numerous fans in the lottery, including Charlotte and especially Indiana, and likely doesn’t slip past Sacramento at #12 at worst. He is one of the 9 players who will be participating in the very exclusive NBA pre-draft camp media session, which is a very good sign for him.

D.J. White (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-White-224/) Promise?

D.J. White (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-White-224/) may a promise from the Detroit Pistons at the end of the first round, according to sources with ties to the player. The Pistons have the 29th overall pick and may like the way White’s length and toughness fit into their team’s overall culture. They have not been shy in the past about identifying players they like early on and being aggressive pursuing them—having made a promise to draft Rodney Stuckey (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rodney-Stuckey-1015/) with the 15th overall pick right around this time last year, and reportedly also giving DeVon Hardin (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeVon-Hardin-225/) assurances they would select him in the late first round before he decided to return to school. They did the same exact thing with Jason Maxiell (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Maxiell-419/) a few years back, which caused him to pull out of the NBA pre-draft camp after just one day, despite then being projected as a 2nd round pick.

White has scheduled many workouts with NBA teams for the weeks leading up to draft, which is not unusual even for players like Stuckey or Maxiell if year’s past is any indication. He will not be playing in the NBA pre-draft camp, which is a pretty good sign that he feels comfortable with where he is projected to be drafted.
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croz24
05-27-2008, 01:43 PM
all you're spitting out right now is past accolades which are useless/moot in this debate...chris paul is the best point guard in the league and is in his own league right now. I don't see why I have to explain this to you. Although if you insist to say things that aren't relevant to this, by all means continue...

at least my only argument isn't "watch the games" which is all you seem to be able to spew...

croz24
05-27-2008, 01:55 PM
man, that'd be great if the clippers were dumb enough to draft augustin at #7. judging by their draft history they just might be. but the fact that they may want augustin that early could lead to the possibility of them trading back. thus far they have been linked to love, westbrook, and augustin. chances are 1 or 2 of those players will be available at #11. hmm...

d_c
05-27-2008, 02:00 PM
man, that'd be great if the clippers were dumb enough to draft augustin at #7. judging by their draft history they just might be. but the fact that they may want augustin that early could lead to the possibility of them trading back. thus far they have been linked to love, westbrook, and augustin. chances are 1 or 2 of those players will be available at #11. hmm...

Last year they were dumb enough to pick Al Thornton. In 2004, they were wise enough to take the guy they wanted all along (Shaun Livingston) by trading down two spots.

If they're pretty confident that the teams picking at spots #8, 9 and 10 will all pass on Augustin, they should be wise enough to trade down a few spots and get the guy they want anyways (if Augustin is indeed the guy they want).

OakMoses
05-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Can we do a Tinsley + #11 trade for the #7 pick?

croz24
05-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Last year they were dumb enough to pick Al Thornton. In 2004, they were wise enough to take the guy they wanted all along (Shaun Livingston) by trading down two spots.

If they're pretty confident that the teams picking at spots #8, 9 and 10 will all pass on Augustin, they should be wise enough to trade down a few spots and get the guy they want anyways (if Augustin is indeed the guy they want).

was clearly refering to more of the wilcox, ely, korolev, olowokandi, miles at #3 type picks...

croz24
05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
Can we do a Tinsley + #11 trade for the #7 pick?

in our dreams maybe

Speed
05-27-2008, 02:18 PM
Can we do a Tinsley + #11 trade for the #7 pick?


I wish, I think you would have to do Tinsley and the #11 pick for the 25 pick. Or something along those lines. Thats the problem, he has negative value.

mrknowname
05-27-2008, 03:21 PM
i'm hoping we come out of the draft with Joe Alexander and Bill Walker

walker at SG, granger at SF, and Alexander at PF would be a nice threesome (no homo) in JOB's fast paced system

NapTonius Monk
05-27-2008, 03:25 PM
i'm hoping we come out of the draft with Joe Alexander and Bill Walker

walker at SG, granger at SF, and Alexander at PF would be a nice threesome (no homo) in JOB's fast paced system

Is Alexander something of a smallish David Lee?

Speed
05-27-2008, 03:32 PM
Is Alexander something of a smallish David Lee?

I don't think so, but I'm really high on Alexander. I think he's right now a better ball handler and shooter, but he does have that super athletic ability that Lee has, maybe even moreso. I just saw today that Alexander has only been coached/played organized ball for 6 years. He has to figure alot of things out, but all of the tools are there as well as the desire/work ethic, I guess. I'm really high on the kid so I may be kinda biased.

I think Alexander could be one the very best players (top 5) out of this years draft, in 5 years. However, I thought Deron Williams was out of shape and wasn't fast enough to play point in the NBA, so I admit my limitations here.

croz24
05-27-2008, 03:43 PM
i'm hoping we come out of the draft with Joe Alexander and Bill Walker

walker at SG, granger at SF, and Alexander at PF would be a nice threesome (no homo) in JOB's fast paced system

;-)

no, alexander has much more of an offensive game than lee and is actually a better athlete. joe's handles really aren't that great, but he's a very heady player with a full offensive arsenal. his shooting stroke may need some work and he needs to improve his outside shot and defensive game, but he's only been playing ball for about 5yrs. he's essentially a white jeff green with more offensive potential imo.

croz24
05-27-2008, 04:02 PM
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OakMoses
05-27-2008, 04:02 PM
i'm hoping we come out of the draft with Joe Alexander and Bill Walker

walker at SG, granger at SF, and Alexander at PF would be a nice threesome (no homo) in JOB's fast paced system

I like both of those guys as well, but an SG/SF/PF lineup of Walker, Granger, and Alexander would mean that you're playing 2 of the three guys out of position. They're all best suited to play SF at the NBA level. I'm not sure that Danny and Shawne aren't more suited to play PF than Alexander, it's not like he's any bigger or stronger than either one of them.

Naptown_Seth
05-27-2008, 04:09 PM
Is Alexander something of a slowish David Lee?
Fixed ;)

I don't get the facination with this guy. To me he's a typical good NCAA player with no ability to go to the next level. I like his chances less than Hibbert, yet some mocks have him going pretty high.



Star editor that likes Hibbert - dude, watch a game already, sheesh

And I'm actually sincere about that, I think of all the players in the draft Hibbert is living off of last year's hype that continued to the beginning of this season. I was one of the people that thought he'd be a great prospect. But he just underwhelmed me repeatedly. I don't see how you could watch Georgetown games and not feel that way, but I can see how you'd know his name and size and general rep and like him.

He and Augustine both seem like great kids, but I just can't get sold on either making a decent impact in the NBA. Hey, maybe I'll be massively wrong, the Pacers draft both of them and they go on to be Lou Gehrig of the Pacers (clean, nice and great). If that happens I welcome the massive slams people will dump on me, it'll be worth it.



McHale - Love - wow, shocker, the dude I compare Love to all the time likes Love's game. ;) :D Takes a low post oily squirmer gym rat to know one. The both have NBA Live games, "spin move, ball fake, ball fake, spin move, up and under, spin move, ball fake, underhand flip shot". What is that, like triangle, square, triangle, RT, triangle, LB, circle? ;)



so I admit my limitations here.
This should be thread of the year for next year, or better yet 3 years from now. We are going to look back and see a LOT of dumb comments and my guess none of us will be spared some humiliation.

Infinite MAN_force
05-27-2008, 04:13 PM
Is 7th a Reach for Augustin?

In desperate need of help at the point guard position, and with D.J. Augustin (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Augustin-1181/) in their sights holding the 7th overall pick, the Clippers are pondering whether to pull the trigger on the extremely productive sophomore playmaker from Texas. Augustin will clearly be the best point guard on the board, but may be a bit of a reach where they are selecting. Workouts will play a big role in the decision of Elgin Baylor (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elgin-Baylor-1627/) and key decision maker Mike Dunleavy (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mike-Dunleavy-2293/) Sr. They will also likely nab a big man with the 35th pick.

Adding interest is the fact that Augustin has reportedly decided to hire Thad Foucher of Los Angeles-based agency Wasserman Media Group as his representation. Foucher is from Augustin’s home-town of New Orleans, and the agency has strong ties to the Texas program, currently representing LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LaMarcus-Aldridge-55/). If Augustin is selected in the top 10, WMG could have 5 of the top 10 picks in the draft, as they also represent Derek Rose, Brook Lopez (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/), Danilo Gallinari (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/) and Anthony Randolph (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Randolph-1069/). There are rumors that they may end up signing Russell Westbrook (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Russell-Westbrook-5062/) as well.

Augustin has numerous fans in the lottery, including Charlotte and especially Indiana, and likely doesn’t slip past Sacramento at #12 at worst. He is one of the 9 players who will be participating in the very exclusive NBA pre-draft camp media session, which is a very good sign for him.




Wow, moving up to aquire Eric Gordon just became a very real possibility.

Would Ike get it done? Ike+Shawne? That is the most I would give up.

Naptown_Seth
05-27-2008, 04:15 PM
I love Brandon Rush. Serious man-crush.
Yeah, obviously I'm right there with you. I just can't believe people could be off on him, so I can't expect him to be great. But I sure do like his all-around game and mentality on the court. Ad naseum, he's a bit like a McKey SG I think. Will he really be better than Kareem though?

Then again I'm confused at how Brook can be so much better than Robin. :)

No one plays off the ball better than him.
100% agree. Again the mentality part of it. He plays the floor, not the ball, and does so at both ends.



You know, I've been a culprit before, but I think I've gotten to the point where the whole 'Fixed' bit makes me want to punch something.

:o
Of course if this means you found my last post kind of offensive then maybe this is working out for me after all.

croz24
05-27-2008, 04:18 PM
naptown - the fascination with joe, other than his raw ability, is the fact that he was arguably the nation's best player the last 3/4ths of last season

idioteque
05-27-2008, 04:22 PM
DJ White to the Pistons? I can see Shade throwing up right now.

But he is the epitome of a hardworking type of player that they would value. He would be very helpful to the Pacers as well, as we have no real identity and need a hard worker like that.

Jonathan
05-27-2008, 04:31 PM
The whole thing w/ Joe Alexander is this he is 6'8 SF. I think we are going either big or pg at 11. I like Alexander's game but we have already have a log jam at SF. The only way we take Alexander is if we trade down.

Jonathan
05-27-2008, 04:33 PM
What do you Gentleman think of taking a reach at Nicholas Batum at 11?

Naptown_Seth
05-27-2008, 04:34 PM
Well I didn't get to see much WVA but when I did I sure didn't get that out of what I saw.

I mean Best Player?!? Beasley is clearly faster, better using both hands, going both directions and rebounding. Who was saying he was the best player in NCAA for nearly a full season, yet never mentioned in the same breath as Rose/Beasley?

I'm not being a wisea** about this, I'm being serious. If you say "here's this ESPN article" or "SI said the following..." I'm all ears. I just didn't hear others speak of him at that level and when I got to see him play I felt like he was perhaps Hansbrough-ish. I was definitely more impressed with Donte Green.