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Peck
12-29-2007, 03:44 AM
Ok, I thought I would dust off an odd thoughts for the back to back set with the Pistons.

First before we go one word further into this post let me make clear one thing.

The Detroit Pistons are one of the most unselfish basketball teams I have ever seen.

I've been watching the NBA since I was around 9 years old and I have seen all of the great 80's & 90's teams both on tv and in person. But this Piston team (going back about 5 seasons now) really honestly and truely is a unit that no one part is more important than the other. Each of these players who could easily lead most other teams in the NBA in scoring but they freely make the pass, set the pick, make the defensive stance that makes thier overall team better.

In other words what I'm saying is simply this. We were beat by a better team and there is no shame in that.

So first let's give credit to the Pistons for the game they played. Once we were down 10 I knew it was out of reach (& honestly so did most of you).

I wouldn't feel that way about every team in the NBA but agaisnt the Pistons.....

But that doesn't mean we didn't help them in thier cause.

I would like to officially thank Mike Dunleavy and Danny Granger for taking the night off. I hope you guys had a nice break and can join us tonight in the fieldhouse for the game.

Also a big thank you to Larry Bird for our backup point guard spot.

I don't blame Jamaal one bit for his play tonight nor for that matter do I blame him for his play over the past week and a half. It is obvious the guy is injured and no not a fake injury either.

He tried to go, he wanted to go but he just had nothing to give. Against a lesser guard? Maybe. Against Billups? No way in hell.

I just do NOT understand why management has done nothing to address this.

Jamaal even if healthy will not be able to play the min. that we are asking of him. But now with a hamstring we are screwed.

Sorry guys but my guess is Jamaal really ought to set out about two weeks worth of games. But we all know we can't afford this. Let's all just hope to God that he doesn't tear something or injure something else while he is trying to play through this injury.

I guess I would also like to thank Diener for finally hitting a shot. The fact that he hit them in a totally meaningless time when the game was already over doesn't help any.

But if we want to look for the silver lining in the cloud here I guess we should hope that maybe this could be the turn around for him and that maybe just maybe he could earn 5 min. of playing time a game.

While I'm complaining let me throw this out there for Ike Diogu. While I really want to like his game and really want him to succeed I must say this.

If he would put in 1/8 of the effort on defense and rebounding that he does in trying to get his shot off he would be a great player no matter what his height is.

STOP TRYING TO SHOOT THE D@MN BALL EVERY TIME IT TOUCHES YOUR HAND!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

One last negative and I promise I will try and get to something positive.

Has there ever been a more useless 16 min. of basketball played than what Jeff Foster put in last night?

Is he injured again? Detroit is just one of those teams that knows how to render Jeff useless.

Ok, let's look for something (anything) to say was good here.

Well, let's start with J.O. (yes it is still me typing) even though he went 1 on 1 a few times I never really felt like he was forcing the offense. I also thought he was very active on defense and passing. Overall I was pretty pleased with his game.

Troy Murphy, well to be honest I can't understand at the end of the first why we didn't keep him in the game? The guy was on fire and we never really tried hard enough to keep him going.

Also unless you actually watched the game I don't want to hear one word from anybody about Troy's defense. Troy bodied up all night long and actually I thought often times did very well on Wallace when he was on him. I'm not saying he stoped Sheed by any sense, but his defense was not a problem and therefore since he was a shooting machine and got his share of rebounds I don't want to hear about how or why Foster should have been in there for even one min. over Troy in this game.

Oh yea while I'm thanking people again let me go back and once again thank David Harrison for having whatever injury it is he has this time around.

Andre Owens was outmatched all night long but he never gave up and that is all you can ask from a player. In fact he really tried on defense. IMO, if Jamaal can't go tonight (& I'm saying right now he shouldn't even try) then Owens has earned the p.g. playing time when Daniels doesn't have it.

Oh did I mention that Granger and Dunleavy didn't play worth a d@mn???

Anyway we don't have time to feel sorry for ourselves. We get to face them again tonight.

Maybe Danny & Mike will join us? Who knows.

Oh yea Shawne Williams..... Well, he did score 9 points. But he also provided us with 0 rebounds. :dance:

Speaking of which, I haven't gone back and looked lately but remember when we were routinely outrebounding teams? I would be interested to see how often we have outrebounded teams over the past 10 games.

Buck up Pacer fans, maybe tonight we can pull off the upset.

andreialta
12-29-2007, 04:22 AM
Danny and Mike are all going to show up tomorrow.

Ike is a blackhole in the offense. i ve said that before. but when things are going good, its a plus, when going bad its all bad. haha

maybe they'll rewatch the game on the way back home. .study it more on how they got blown out. and maybe adjust.

we'll see tomorrow

granger33
12-29-2007, 04:30 AM
look i didnt watch this game, you probably know more then me.

But i like Ike being agressive. Yes some shots are forced, but when we were turning the ball over every posession i was glad when Diogu took a shot.

His a good FG%.

JO needs to start rebounding. we lost the game in the 2nd quater due to offensive boards.

Naptown_Seth
12-29-2007, 05:35 AM
Yeah, so far Ike hasn't been good. There's a reason his +/- has been so far down.

A 40 point quarter to ANY team is a problem. The Pacers defense has yet to lock it in.

At least Diener found his shot.

Bball
12-29-2007, 06:46 AM
This is all about strategy and positioning. The Pacers knew beating Detroit twice was next to impossible unless Detroit decided to rest and forfeit. And beating Detroit once would take a Herculean effort under normal circumstances. So what they have devised was to throw away tonight's game to lull the Pistons into a false sense of security. Not only that, but the Detroit players will have a mental picture of how the 2007-2008 Pacers play. But that mental image will be wrong. It will be like the 'scout' lied to them about what to expect from the Pacers.

This brilliant strategy, while clearly giving away last night's game, will guarantee a victory in tonight's game. It should be easy.

:brilliant

NuffSaid
12-29-2007, 07:09 AM
We lost the game in the 2nd quater due to offensive boards.
No they didn't! The Pacers lost that 2Q due to turnovers...13 as a matter of fact and most were unforced turnovers...which lead to 20 pts for the Pistons and at least half of those came from the free throw line. Make that 2Q a more reasonably scoring 2Q w/o all the turnovers and it's a game instead of a route!!

Unclebuck
12-29-2007, 08:19 AM
I was at a family function last night until midway through the 3rd quarter, so I had no idea what the score even was. But I did watch the last part of the 3rd and 4th quarters and I need to be honest.

I really have trouble watching the Pacers play in Detroit. Yes I'm still bitter about the 11/19 brawl and extremely bitter about where the two franchises went from there. The Pistons seemingly didn't miss a beat and the brawl didn't seem to negatively impact them at all - while it ruined our entire franchise and has led directly to us having 11,000 fans per game and everyone in the city of Indianapolis making fun of the Pacers.

That is how I feel.

D-BONE
12-29-2007, 09:17 AM
Actually, we got pounded in the 2nd due to TOs, giving up too many offensive rebounds, crappy offense, nonexistent defense, no hustle, and who knows how many other things. After the first 4-5 minutes I thought that was the worst half of play I've seen this year.

Digou-when he's not hitting he's bad, but I still think he is perhaps the only guy outside of Foster that consistently works on the offensive glass. And obviously the only guy that consistently gets to the line. Where Foster has been lately is a mystery.

My view is that the team is regressing lately. A nonimpressive home win over a Caron-less Wiz team sandwiched between the Minny debacle and two uninispiring performances against top EC teams. I think this stretch is more indicative of the calibur of team we truly have relative to good competition.

The worst thing of all is the team vibe- the energy, camaraderie, focus,body language. I'm just not seeing anything that makes me think these guys are any better than a 7-8 to out of the playoffs. Now that's really what my preseason expectations were so it's not that big a deal. Except that, should this be true, we've essentially done nothing to improve the team short or long term. Same old same old.

Unclebuck
12-29-2007, 09:32 AM
My view is that the team is regressing lately. A nonimpressive home win over a Caron-less Wiz team sandwiched between the Minny debacle and two uninispiring performances against top EC teams. I think this stretch is more indicative of the calibur of team we truly have relative to good competition.

The worst thing of all is the team vibe- the energy, camaraderie, focus,body language. I'm just not seeing anything that makes me think these guys are any better than a 7-8 to out of the playoffs. Now that's really what my preseason expectations were so it's not that big a deal. Except that, should this be true, we've essentially done nothing to improve the team short or long term. Same old same old.

I think pretty much all of that is directly related to Tinsley being injured. He needs to get healthy and the whole team will respond. That is how important he is to this team

D-BONE
12-29-2007, 10:10 AM
I think pretty much all of that is directly related to Tinsley being injured. He needs to get healthy and the whole team will respond. That is how important he is to this team

Yes this is definitely a major factor. Yet it brings us right back to the glaring issue we've been harping on. How much can you rely on Tins (and JO for that matter) given their injury history? Particularly given TPTB had to know JOb's tendency to ride his starters heavy minutes and the obvious lack of PG depth.

On another issue, I liked JO's game last night and I know this is nitpicking, but we have to get more than 6 boards from him. Obvious bottom line from last night is, injuries or no injuries, our guys didn't show up to play until the 2nd half from an effort standpoint.

Rajah Brown
12-29-2007, 10:45 AM
When has J.O. ever boarded consistently ? He's always been a
guy who'll grab a rebound if it's in his immediate area, but rarely
if ever, puts out the effort to pursue boards any more than a
couple feet away. He's the antithesis of Foster in that aspect of
the game.

BillS
12-29-2007, 11:17 AM
I was at a family function last night until midway through the 3rd quarter, so I had no idea what the score even was. But I did watch the last part of the 3rd and 4th quarters and I need to be honest.

I really have trouble watching the Pacers play in Detroit. Yes I'm still bitter about the 11/19 brawl and extremely bitter about where the two franchises went from there. The Pistons seemingly didn't miss a beat and the brawl didn't seem to negatively impact them at all - while it ruined our entire franchise and has led directly to us having 11,000 fans per game and everyone in the city of Indianapolis making fun of the Pacers.

That is how I feel.

I feel the same way.

It occurred to me that Detroit might end up being the only city to literally eliminate a rival. It's a true tragedy - the Pacers had a Fatal Flaw and Detroit triggered it.

I actually hate feeling this way about these games - I like the way the Pistons play and would be proud to have the current team playing for my city.

We'll be at the game tonight. I only hope there's a few more people than last time (and that they are cheering for the Pacers, not the Pistons).

odeez
12-29-2007, 11:18 AM
It was a reality check. The Pistons are a better team by far. It's nothing any of you don't already know. But man it is painful to watch. Dun was the most disappointing to watch. He single handly turned the ball over 2-3 times in the first qtr, and Danny need to take the shot. I saw him pass up the shot several times. And he needs to learn to finish at the rim. IKE was shooting too much, but he is trying to get back in game shape, liked his energy. JO good game, but for what? It didn't even matter because no one else was doing anything. Just disappointing... hopefully we can come out and play for pride and get a win or we can go back under .500.

slyder
12-29-2007, 12:08 PM
QUOTE=BillS
It occurred to me that Detroit might end up being the only city to literally eliminate a rival. It's a true tragedy - the Pacers had a Fatal Flaw and Detroit triggered it.

well, let me join in beating this dead horse...truth is, you can't blame detroit - yes i know they didn't police the arena like they could have - but the pacers' undoing came with the yearlong suspension of ron artest (stern) but THAT came about because our own management failed to (effectively) address the series of artest incidents which preceeded the brawl.

that said, is there a way to "effectively" address someone like ron artest??

we'll never know, but i wonder if stern ever in his own mind privately second-guessed his overkill penalty. i'm certain our own TPTB has done plenty of second-guessing over the last couple years.

the up side - .500 team or whatever, i feel we are on a much more stable and productive path. it will take time.

indygeezer
12-29-2007, 02:17 PM
I was at a family function last night until midway through the 3rd quarter, so I had no idea what the score even was. But I did watch the last part of the 3rd and 4th quarters and I need to be honest.

I really have trouble watching the Pacers play in Detroit. Yes I'm still bitter about the 11/19 brawl and extremely bitter about where the two franchises went from there. The Pistons seemingly didn't miss a beat and the brawl didn't seem to negatively impact them at all - while it ruined our entire franchise and has led directly to us having 11,000 fans per game and everyone in the city of Indianapolis making fun of the Pacers.

That is how I feel.

Speak the truth brother. And that is why I have such a visceral hatred for Der Fuhrer.


On another note......I'd be willing to take Smush off Riley's hands if he really wants to trade him. He's bound to be better than any back up we currently use in the posiiton.