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Peck
12-23-2007, 02:51 AM
of the way that their security handled that idiot that ran onto the floor last night during the game.

As it turned out this was just some idiot who was trying to get his 15 seconds of fame, well it turned out he had several more seconds of fame on top of that.

Look I certainly understand the enormity of the job of trying to secure a building the size of the field house. But for God's sake you would think the floor would be the one place that would be very safe.

Thank God this kid just wanted to show off and didn't have a knife or a shiv or some other form of weapon. He came within inches of several Washington players and had ample opprotunity to do serious damage to any of the players on the floor.

The only person who initially reacted to him at all was an older woman green coat who tried to chase him initially but couldn't even come close.

She at least tried.

I really though became perplexed when several of the blue coat official security guards just stood there for a few seconds and watched. I understand they may have been in shock or something but all it would have taken was a few seconds for this guy to do real damage.

Then we almost had a keystone cops moment with them chasing him on the floor for a few seconds. However they did get him down and off of the floor.

In the end, no harm no foul, but the potential for danger was very real and very present.

We have had the illusion of extra security since September 11, we've even had more since the brawl. However what tonight showed me was that they still have a very very long way to go.

I understand they may not have been able to stop him from entering the playing court, but their reaction to this was abysmaly slow.

Also kudos to the players from both sides for not trying to take this into thier own hands. I'm sure it was tempting and frankly it had to be a little un-nerving to have this occur.

Why the security guards who were watching the ailes on that side of the floor stood there and watched him enter the court is beyond me.

Also, I do not really hold the police that were present at fault for this.

They are on private property and can only act if they are requested or if they see a felony or something life threatening. Once the head of the field house hit the floor he motioned for the IMPD officers to move in and they did.

Gnome yelled down to me and asked me if I had ever seen anything like this at a Pacers game before and frankly to the best of my memory I would have to say no.

ThA HoyA
12-23-2007, 03:13 AM
i was thinking the same thing like they are just watching him and no the security didnt take him down it was jeff foster he tripped the guy i dont know how many times we replayed it but we were laughing so hard seeing jeff just stick his leg out

RamBo_Lamar
12-23-2007, 04:02 AM
JO was impressed by the guy's foot speed...lol


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071223/SPORTS04/712230421&theme=


The most unusual part of Saturday's game between the Indiana Pacers and Washington Wizards wasn't a crowd-pleasing dunk or Jamaal Tinsley bouncing the ball between a player's legs. It was the antics by a fan looking for his 30 seconds of fame.
<!-- PHOTO & FACTBOX --><!-- ARTICLE SIDEBAR -->A fan interrupted play midway through the third quarter when he ran onto the court and, according to Danny Granger, looked like retired running back Barry Sanders while alluding Conseco Fieldhouse security. The fan danced around several players and showed his lack of leaping ability when his attempt to touch the rim ended with him only slapping the net.
The fan was finally detained when a security official tackled him and escorted him from the building. A Pacers spokesman said the fan was arrested. "That might have been the funniest thing in my life," Granger said. "I wanted to see how far he would be able to run around until somebody caught him. He was dodging them." Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal, who was involved in an altercation with fans during the brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills in 2004, said he didn't know what the fan was trying to accomplish by running on the court. "I was like, 'Please, do not let this guy hit me.' I don't want to be in anymore situations with fans," O'Neal said. "I didn't want to have to protect myself by having to do something. It was a very strange situation for him to be out there and acting real strange. I wanted to keep my eye on him. Security did a good job getting him to the floor." O'Neal then joked about the fan's elusive speed. "We could use his foot speed on the team," he said, laughing.

SamBear
12-23-2007, 04:34 AM
That's just too scary... shame on that stupid idiot.

bellisimo
12-23-2007, 06:29 AM
you see that happen from time to time in football aka soccer games...but the NBA? i didn't think that would be possible really...

Isaac
12-23-2007, 06:35 AM
I'm so angry NBA TV doesn't come with league pass anymore. I was yelling at the comcast people for quite some time and nothing got accomplished. I pay good money for NBA league pass to see every single game, and now I have missed 2 this year. :rant:

Long story short, does anyone have this on video?

King Tuts Tomb
12-23-2007, 07:44 AM
Someone got the video up real quick in the game thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz9kfoLYKrI

I only caught the second half and was cracking up when I saw this. From my tiny, non-HD TV it looked like a kid, at least a young adult. Possibly a reason that they didn't respond forcefully at first?

Issac: I'm in Colorado and NBA TV is included in my League Pass package from Comcast. That sucks you can't get the games. Do they have them on NBA League Pass Broadband?

King Tuts Tomb
12-23-2007, 07:46 AM
Come to think of it, that's really weird that they showed the whole thing on the broadcast. Isn't it standard procedure in baseball and football games to turn the camera to the other side of the field to avoid encouraging people to do that to get on TV?

Naptown_Seth
12-23-2007, 07:47 AM
Overheard as Jeff tripped up this numbnuts...
"Now THAT'S good azz defense!"

Awesome work Jeff, loved that takedown. Next time take off the kid gloves, or better yet let Murphy give him one of his newly patented hard fouls/murder attempt. ;)

Mourning
12-23-2007, 08:53 AM
Yeah, haha, quick footspeed JO? What are you talking about didn't you see how quick Jeff's foot stepped out there to tripple that "fan"? there :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Unclebuck
12-23-2007, 09:51 AM
Peck, I wasn't at the game, but where did the guy come from. Was he seated in the lower section, or did he just walk on down. If he snuck into the lower section, I can see the ushers really starting to monitor who goes down there. if the guy was already in the lower section, I don't know what you can really do.

It was interesting to hear Chris and Quinn's reaction. They were dead, silent - they said nothing. One of them said something right at the start of it, and then dead silence.

I thought Dunleavy sort of pushed the guy, or at least it looked like it.

Peck, I would think, or hope security they have a procedure for this type of thing and perhaps part of it isn't for all the security to run on the floor after a guy all at the same time. Who knows what could be going on, or who knows if there is some type of plan set up, that one guy runs out onto the court as a deversion and is linked up with some other people who are going to cause some real trouble as all the security is busy running around. Or you also don't want some other drunk idiot thinking now is his chance to run out there.

I was interested in the crowd reaction, but it was difficult to pick up on TV. Did the crowd think it was funny, were they dead silent, did they boo the guy.

I hope they never allow the guy within 1000 ft of Conseco again and I hope they charge him with as much as they possible can - and make it very public - to deter anyone else from getting any ideas.


As I was thinking more about this, really unless you have a ticket or are really sneaky it is difficult to get to the court, the ushers they have at about the 7th row is usually pretty good with keeping people from going down there, I just wodner how this guy got to the court area.

Putnam
12-23-2007, 10:10 AM
I was interested in the crowd reaction, but it was difficult to pick up on TV. Did the crowd think it was funny, were they dead silent, did they boo the guy.

While the guy was on the floor people were mostly just waiting to see what would happen.

After he was corralled, then people began to boo him and say, "What an idiot." A few laughed afterwards, but only because the guy was being swarmed by security and was on his way to jail.

I personally just thought, "This won't end well" and hoped the guards would wrap him up.

I thought it was funny that the players mostly just stood and watched, rather than heading back to their benches immediately. But then, there probably isn't a standard procedure for such a thing.

That's from the $25 seats. Someone who sat closer can tell more.

BoomBaby33
12-23-2007, 10:20 AM
i was thinking the same thing like they are just watching him and no the security didnt take him down it was jeff foster he tripped the guy i dont know how many times we replayed it but we were laughing so hard seeing jeff just stick his leg out

LOL ... me too. I was rolling with laughter.

Watching this "kid" run around and avoid all the security people made did him look like Barry Sanders, until ... blip ... Jeff stuck his foot out there and tripped the guy :D. It kind of reminded me of Benny Hill for a while. LOL. I just want to know why Jeff didn't get credit for this "assist" in the box scores? He should have.

I just hope this guy doesn't get a hair brained idea to sue Jeff for tripping him. :rolleyes:

But yeah, I too was surprised that they were showing it on TV. Usually they do turn the cameras away.

arenn
12-23-2007, 11:08 AM
I didn't see where he came from. The Pacers have security posted at the bottom of the staircase of each aisle. And there are a few rows of courtside seats to get through to reach the court, so I'm not sure.

He was just there, and kind of standing around. It took a while before someone even noticed him. He probably could have walked off and no one would have been any the wiser, but then he went under the basket and grabbed the net, etc. and started running around. The players were all just standing around laughing because this guy was obviously just some good ol' boy yahoo.

After giving us all the TSA treatment - that is, treating us like criminals - just to get into the arena, the fact that they can't even secure the floor on a night when security guards probably outnumbered the fans is ridiculous.

Roaming Gnome
12-23-2007, 11:14 AM
The one thing that I thought was kind of neat about how security handled it, when they closed in on this guy, they slowly tried to contain this guy towards the center of the court. The guy did manage to run outside of their containment. Jeff was just there to trip him up, then the biggest guy on security managed to pull a move that was WWE-esque and landed on his arse.

The moment that was entertaining for me was seeing this guy get landed on, hog tied, cuffed and dragged out!

I told Mal in the stands that the NFL has directives in place that the broadcast not show or even comment on "idiots" that get on the field. I guess the NBA doesn't have anything in place to discourage this.

I like these situations better at NFL games because usually the players take a greater liberty at taking these fools out. Imagine someone like Bob Sanders in full gear laying a lick on that guy......He's still be seeing stars!!!!

RamBo_Lamar
12-23-2007, 11:21 AM
That little trip-up by Foster as the guy ran by him was sort of comical.

Got to hand it to Jeff...that trip manuver was perfectly executed.
Looked almost like something Bill Laimbeer might have come up with
back in his day.

Only a true THUG could have pulled that off so skillfully and with such
lightning quickness!

:D :D

OnlyPacersLeft
12-23-2007, 12:04 PM
I didn't see this so i'm not to sure what happened...was itjust like a random fan running onto the floor like they do at football games? acting all stupid and trying to get attention? maybe it was planned? lol you know how the NBA is these days...and yeah it's bad cause he could have had a knife or w/e.

Shade
12-23-2007, 12:22 PM
What a moron. I wonder how much coin he had to drop to get seats close enough to be able to do that.

As for security, he shouldn't have ever gotten onto the court in the first place, and the first security guard looked like he just gave a half-assed effort to grab the guy.

Apparently, NBA security just blows no matter where you go.

Trader Joe
12-23-2007, 03:54 PM
The one thing that I thought was kind of neat about how security handled it, when they closed in on this guy, they slowly tried to contain this guy towards the center of the court. The guy did manage to run outside of their containment. Jeff was just there to trip him up, then the biggest guy on security managed to pull a move that was WWE-esque and landed on his arse.

The moment that was entertaining for me was seeing this guy get landed on, hog tied, cuffed and dragged out!

I told Mal in the stands that the NFL has directives in place that the broadcast not show or even comment on "idiots" that get on the field. I guess the NBA doesn't have anything in place to discourage this.

I like these situations better at NFL games because usually the players take a greater liberty at taking these fools out. Imagine someone like Bob Sanders in full gear laying a lick on that guy......He's still be seeing stars!!!!

I've seen video from probably back in the 80's or maybe earlier of a Colts safety I think his nick name was "Mad Dog" laying out some fan who entered the field.

Am I the only one that thought Tinsley looked a little fearful when this guy entered the court? He seemed to almost flinch whenever he came near him.

Trader Joe
12-23-2007, 03:55 PM
That little trip-up by Foster as the guy ran by him was sort of comical.

Got to hand it to Jeff...that trip manuver was perfectly executed.
Looked almost like something Bill Laimbeer might have come up with
back in his day.

Only a true THUG could have pulled that off so skillfully and with such
lightning quickness!

:D :D

Jeff Foster is a G.

Cactus Jax
12-23-2007, 06:17 PM
He probably came down through Troy Murphy's bench chair, lord knows he cant guard anyone.

BoomBaby31
12-23-2007, 07:54 PM
For you guys who didn't see it

pz9kfoLYKrI


It's so easy to get down on the courts and fields. It sucks people ruin it but what are arenas suppose to do, box in the crowd like in Ice Hockey?

LoneGranger33
12-23-2007, 08:29 PM
The only problem here is that Diener wasn't in uniform when he decided to run on the court.

Anthem
12-23-2007, 10:16 PM
Props to Foster. That's awesome.

Natston
12-23-2007, 10:26 PM
Jeff still doesn't compare with the Kansas City Chiefs mascot...

http://www.burlysports.com/video/19184

joeyd
12-23-2007, 10:34 PM
I was sitting in section 18 and didn't realize Jeff had tripped that dork until I looked at the pics on my digital camera. I have a fantastic picture of Jeff tripping the guy, with a security dude about to swoop down.

Where are those tasers when you need them? BTW, at first glance, I think most people including the security people, thought the guy may have actually been someone that goes out on the court to mop up or do some schtick after a time out or something.

BoomBaby31
12-23-2007, 11:11 PM
I was sitting in section 18 and didn't realize Jeff had tripped that dork until I looked at the pics on my digital camera. I have a fantastic picture of Jeff tripping the guy, with a security dude about to swoop down.

Where are those tasers when you need them? BTW, at first glance, I think most people including the security people, thought the guy may have actually been someone that goes out on the court to mop up or do some schtick after a time out or something.

lol if they tasered that guy, you'd have about 200 crying horrified kids.

Peck
12-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Jeff still doesn't compare with the Kansas City Chiefs mascot...

http://www.burlysports.com/video/19184

That was a nice video. However I watched further on and nearly soild myself from laught at

http://www.burlysports.com/video/20212#/search/videos/relevance/night+at+the+starberry

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Moses
12-23-2007, 11:35 PM
Someone got the video up real quick in the game thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz9kfoLYKrI

I only caught the second half and was cracking up when I saw this. From my tiny, non-HD TV it looked like a kid, at least a young adult. Possibly a reason that they didn't respond forcefully at first?

Issac: I'm in Colorado and NBA TV is included in my League Pass package from Comcast. That sucks you can't get the games. Do they have them on NBA League Pass Broadband?
LOL

The guy was just kind of standing around out there for like 10 seconds before trying to dunk.

joeyd
12-23-2007, 11:36 PM
lol if they tasered that guy, you'd have about 200 crying horrified kids.

Yeah, but talk about somebody getting their just desserts!

Naptown_Seth
12-24-2007, 10:17 AM
The only problem here is that Diener wasn't in uniform when he decided to run on the court.
LG33, FTW.

And here I thought Redd was pulling ahead this year. Could end up a tie vote at this rate.


Having sat down in the first few rows many times over, you are allowed to walk along the court on that side to go to the restrooms or the Best Locker Room of course. There have been times that I could basically touch a player on the out-of-bounds throw in while walking past. In fact I always worry about the play coming toward me and being in the way, you are right there on top of things. It feels like "shouldn't make me wait till a time out?" That's a first 7 rows things though and you are supposed to show your ticket to get past that point in the aisle. There is an assumption that if you paid to be there you have some sense of the situation and a little respect. Up till now that's been the case.

However it's possible during the game for a person to sneak past that point (I know a PD member who has done this even). Once you do that you can basically be 1 foot off the court and then it's easy to get past the gaps in security. Being such an odd thing to do it would have to catch security off guard a bit, especially in the space between 2 who are busy watching for all sorts of things in their section rather than people moving toward the bathroom or whatever.

A few years ago I was baseline 2nd row and the guy in the front row who was loaned the seat (I'd met the ticket owners at another game) basically stood on the baseline DURING game play. The ref nearly tripped on him and yelled at him to sit down. This was some older guy who was acting more like he had this great privilege to be wherever he wanted to be rather than some drunk or nut job.

I had taken notice and was waiting for him to get ripped on by security, but nothing was said till after the ref almost fell over him. The photographer next to him and I had a laugh about "WTF was he thinking". As I recall he was taking off his coat or talking to his wife or something, not even paying attention to the game. Maybe waving at friends. :dunce:

The point is he wasn't even trying to get on the court and he basically was and it was while the game was going on rather than a foul/TO situation.