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BillS
12-17-2007, 10:01 PM
Dun Dun is a GOD.

Shade
12-17-2007, 10:03 PM
The Knicks should have their entire franchise revoked. They truly are a joke in every aspect of the word.

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:04 PM
we're above .500!
and looking at the schedule - no reason as to why we should not win the next 4...

DunDun had a solid game...love it when he is aggressive like this...

JO carried the offense in the first QT...

I'm still wondering why Shawne is not getting any love from JOB...is his defense that bad?

McKeyFan
12-17-2007, 10:05 PM
Our problem is shooting. We need some shooters.

(58% fg; 48% 3pg; 100% ft)


:D

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:06 PM
Our problem is shooting. We need some shooters.

(58% fg; 48% 3pg; 100% ft)


:D


thats fool's gold right there...Knicks played ZERO defense :-p

aceace
12-17-2007, 10:06 PM
I kinda feel sorry for the Knick fans... they have one of the highest payrolls in the league, most of their players are fat and outta shape. A head coach that their fans are begging to be fired. The national media makes fun of them every night. Then again Stephen A Smith is one of their fans.... so I assume we should continue hating on them.

ThA HoyA
12-17-2007, 10:07 PM
total domination how do the knicks continue to sell any tickets

McKeyFan
12-17-2007, 10:07 PM
thats fool's gold right there...Knicks played ZERO defense :-p

I know "shooters" who can't hit when they're open.

Things have changed in Pacer land.

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:08 PM
I kinda feel sorry for the Knick fans... they have one of the highest payrolls in the league, most of their players are fat and outta shape. A head coach that their fans are begging to be fired. The national media makes fun of them every night. Then again Stephen A Smith is one of their fans.... so I assume we should continue hating on them.

their network just wrapped up the game with the replay of the 4pt play... :censored:

THAT is enough of a reason to see them suffer like this :devil:

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:08 PM
I know "shooters" who can't hit when they're open.

Things have changed in Pacer land.

thats cause the ballboy didn't play tonight...;)

Shade
12-17-2007, 10:09 PM
I kinda feel sorry for the Knick fans... they have one of the highest payrolls in the league, most of their players are fat and outta shape. A head coach that their fans are begging to be fired. The national media makes fun of them every night. Then again Stephen A Smith is one of their fans.... so I assume we should continue hating on them.

Just remember these three things:

1) They brought it all upon themselves;
B) Bent draft card;
:death:) LJ 4-point play

That should take the empathy outta ya.

JayRedd
12-17-2007, 10:09 PM
JO in the Postgame interview on the Knicks MSG station.


On having a great 1st Half and overcoming knee injuries:

"Well it's been tough. I've never had a surgery on my knee ever before in my career so it's been a long 6-7 month process and I'm working with the strength and conditioning guys...And now it's all starting to come around."

On defense/offense:

"Zach got off to a really good start obviously but we were able to slow him down. And on offense we just got out and going early...With Zach and Curry out there, we were able to run em."

On J'OB's system:

"Well..everyone thought I wouldn't fit in with all the running and shooting threes. But actually it's been easier for me. It's been better even than with Rick Carlisle...and Rick had a system that was very good for me."

On Zeke:

"What can I say...he's a horrible coach and an even worse human being. I hate him and his family. And did you see that chick he paid $10 million to hit on? Bow wow."



Okay...he might not have said that about Isiah. The rest is accurate paraphrasing though.

pianoman
12-17-2007, 10:10 PM
wow,what a game.

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:11 PM
total domination how do the knicks continue to sell any tickets


http://www.nba.com/knicks/images/KCD_Group_Shot_new.jpg

kester99
12-17-2007, 10:12 PM
http://www.nba.com/knicks/images/KCD_Group_Shot_new.jpg

good point

Shade
12-17-2007, 10:12 PM
On Zeke:

"What can I say...he's a horrible coach and an even worse human being. I hate him and his family. And did you see that chick he he paid $10 million to hit on? Bow wow."

:laugh:

Shade
12-17-2007, 10:14 PM
http://www.nba.com/knicks/images/KCD_Group_Shot_new.jpg

I wonder how much Knicks season tickets would run me...

Shack80
12-17-2007, 10:16 PM
That and like 2 billion people live there, so someone is going to come just to watch the drama.

Anthem
12-17-2007, 10:16 PM
That was great... I've never seen a team booed for not putting on the cheerleaders.

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:18 PM
I wonder how much Knicks season tickets would run me...

$700 - $2500

https://oss.ticketmaster.com/html/pack_searchtix.htmI?l=EN&CNTX=5415725

:D

NuffSaid
12-17-2007, 10:21 PM
Dun Dun is a GOD.
Let's not go there. He had a great shooting night and performed extremely well tonight. Let's just say Dunleavy had God on his side this evening and leave it at that. :)

Now, here is something I found interesting. For the first time this season the Pacers improved their scoring in each qtr.

1Q: 26 2Q: 27 3Q: 31 4Q: 35

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:21 PM
That was great... I've never seen a team booed for not putting on the cheerleaders.

well worth staying up till 4:30 am to catch this :D

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:23 PM
Let's not go there. He had a great shooting night and performed extremely well tonigt. Let's just say Dunleavy had God on his side this evening and leave it at that. :)

“What was going through my mind was that I am a Christian,” Dunleavy said. “I go to church and God may not be a Pacer fan, but he gives us fairness and he was going to come through, and basketball never lies."

:D

OnlyPacersLeft
12-17-2007, 10:25 PM
only caught bits and pieces of the game throughout the night due to shopping and a little family gaming...but JO looked good. As did rush and murph and deff dunleavy! 13-12 and above 500.! Nowhere to turn now but up! lets keep it moving! need to go on a little bit of a run here.
good to see JO was ok from the beating he took in miami!

NorCal_Pacerfan
12-17-2007, 10:25 PM
yay, nice to be above .5 for a change. Let's take this and roll!

JO looked really GOOD. Dun - Wow, 36pts or something? Career high? He killed 'em tonight.

McKeyFan
12-17-2007, 10:27 PM
“What was going through my mind was that I am a Christian,” Dunleavy said. “I go to church and God may not be a Pacer fan, but he gives us fairness and he was going to come through, and basketball never lies."


Dun isn't a Pacer fan?

:confused:

LoneGranger33
12-17-2007, 10:27 PM
Let's not go there. He had a great shooting night and performed extremely well tonigt. Let's just say Dunleavy had God on his side this evening and leave it at that. :)

Yeah, JO is always on his side. They are teammates.


In memory of Jermaniac.

odeez
12-17-2007, 10:27 PM
A win is a win. Now let's keep it going. Good to see Dun hitting his shots.

aceace
12-17-2007, 10:29 PM
Anybody think Zeke gets canned tomorrow. The Knicks are home on Wed and it was obvious that they didn't care about playing defense. In the post game press conference they were trying to JOB to comment about how horrible the Knicks defense was. He didn't bite though. I'm sure the Knick sportswriters will have a field day again tomorrow.

BoomBaby33
12-17-2007, 10:29 PM
Really good game IMO. Too easy actually. The Knicks are horrible. Which means the next game will be a very difficult game no matter who we play. Gonna have to stop the Iggy and Andre show against the Sixers. We're going to have to dig in.

Congrats to DunDun on career high 36 points.

8-5 on the road, 5-7 at home.

Lets start protecting our home court now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then again, I guess its probably tough to get pumped if your an Indiana Pacer playing in front of 7000 fans, when your used to 14000+ fans. They gotta earn the fan base back. Keep winning, and they'll come back.

Go Pacers!!!!

bellisimo
12-17-2007, 10:31 PM
we probably have more Pacers fans showing up on the away games...

aceace
12-17-2007, 10:32 PM
Now, here is something I found interesting. For the first time this season the Pacers improved their scoring in each qtr.

1Q: 26 2Q: 27 3Q: 31 4Q: 35Because NY ran out of gas as the game went on.... can you say "not in game shape"

BoomBaby33
12-17-2007, 10:32 PM
A win is a win. Now let's keep it going. Good to see Dun hitting his shots.
Its not just that he was just hitting the shots, it was his AGRESSIVENESS, and the way he got those shots.

Way to go DunDun. Way to take charge.

Unclebuck
12-17-2007, 10:34 PM
I hope none of you are overlooking the contributions of Jeff Foster in tonights game. His defense was critical on Zack Randolph. Of coruse I was screaming in the first half, everytim Zack scored, PUT JEFF ON HIM. Finally in the second they did, and about 3 deflections, and about 4 stops later, Zack was shutdown and the game was over.

The Knicks defense is truly horrible and their transition defense is the worst I have ever seen.

TheDon
12-17-2007, 10:39 PM
I am one of the biggest critics on troy murphy and he upsets me to no end but it's only fair to say he did have a pretty good game unfortunately it was overshadowed by Dun, JO, and Jamaal's games. I wouldn't bump the troy murphy is worthless thread to make me eat my words until he strings a couple of games like this together against teams that actually play defense and he doesn't have to guard guys that are just as fat and slow as he is.

I remember them saying that Danny is working on his ball handling but good lord everytime he drives the lane I grimmace and wait for the inevitable turnover.

I really really hope that his game doesn't lull us into a false sense of security against the sixers at home. We really didn't even play our best game with all the turnovers and the lack of free throw attempts. Granted though, the margin in free throw attempts I should expect but I would wager that was the smallest amount of free throw attempts we've got all season. I think this is a testament to just how bad the Knicks really are. I hope we come home and keep rolling against Philly we looked like we were playing horse we were so wide open in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

BlueNGold
12-17-2007, 10:39 PM
Zeke must think he's still with the CBA. ....nah, I think a CBA team would have put up a bigger fight.

Does a win against the Knicks count as a full W?

Alpolloloco
12-17-2007, 10:41 PM
I hope none of you are overlooking the contributions of Jeff Foster in tonights game. His defense was critical on Zack Randolph. Of coruse I was screaming in the first half, everytim Zack scored, PUT JEFF ON HIM. Finally in the second they did, and about 3 deflections, and about 4 stops later, Zack was shutdown and the game was over.

The Knicks defense is truly horrible and their transition defense is the worst I have ever seen.

You're right UB, it was our defense led by JO, Jeff and Danny and the lack of D by the Knicks which resulted in this walkover.

We were a little sloppy with our ballhandling and passing, especially Jamaal. Glad we hit our shots so Tinsley got his assists up to 12.

TheDon
12-17-2007, 10:44 PM
I don't know if any of you could do this, but if someone could single out the picture of Dunleavy looking like he took a bow after knocking down a 3 for my avatar I'd appreciate it :)

Trader Joe
12-17-2007, 10:46 PM
Glad to see us winning when Tins struggled offensively tonight according to the box score. I taped it (Went to I am Legend horrible movie BTW), so I am about to watch it. I'll post more thoughts after that.

JayRedd
12-17-2007, 10:47 PM
I hope none of you are overlooking the contributions of Jeff Foster in tonights game. His defense was critical on Zack Randolph. Of coruse I was screaming in the first half, everytim Zack scored, PUT JEFF ON HIM. Finally in the second they did, and about 3 deflections, and about 4 stops later, Zack was shutdown and the game was over.

The Knicks defense is truly horrible and their transition defense is the worst I have ever seen.

For those of you that have stopped believing UB's praise of Jeff, I second this post.

Shack80
12-17-2007, 10:53 PM
There is no question in my mind Foser is an asset. He has his role and plays it well.

kester99
12-17-2007, 10:54 PM
Foster is easily leading the way in efficiency per the 'Utah index' or whatever you want to call it....except for Stephen Graham, who doesn't count, yet. This is through 24 games.

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Lord Helmet
12-17-2007, 11:05 PM
I want to know who the Pacers fan was that was behind our bench.

Anyone from the Digest go to the game tonight?

McKeyFan
12-17-2007, 11:07 PM
That makes Murphy our third best player.

:D


Maybe that's why JOB keeps playing him. :whoknows:

aceace
12-17-2007, 11:10 PM
For those of you that have stopped believing UB's praise of Jeff, I second this post.Maybe UB is "Jeff" posting from the locker room... I don't remember UB posting during the game at all. Could this really be some type of self gratuity.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-17-2007, 11:15 PM
That makes Murphy our third best player.

:D


Maybe that's why JOB keeps playing him. :whoknows:

Actually it makes Jamaal the third best player and Troy the fourth.
Troy is shooting .375 from downtown, getting 7 boards and scoring 11 points a game. He's not nearly as bad as some on here think ( at least offensively).

Anthem
12-17-2007, 11:15 PM
I am one of the biggest critics on troy murphy and he upsets me to no end but it's only fair to say he did have a pretty good game
On O. D was rough.

Anthem
12-17-2007, 11:16 PM
Because NY ran out of gas as the game went on.... can you say "not in game shape"
A really good point.

kester99
12-17-2007, 11:22 PM
That makes Murphy our third best player.

:D


Maybe that's why JOB keeps playing him. :whoknows:

Murphy doesn't turn it over much at all, and fouls at a average-or-below clip...add his boards and it kind of offsets his too-often low shooting pct. You can do anything with stats you want to do, BUT, the numbers are what they are.

MyFavMartin
12-17-2007, 11:25 PM
That and like 2 billion people live there, so someone is going to come just to watch the drama.

Sort of like the Springer show

Naptown_Seth
12-17-2007, 11:28 PM
For those of you that have stopped believing UB's praise of Jeff, I second this post.
I've been so busy I wasn't able to comment on Jeff/JO/Troy after the last 2 games, but in that loss to Toronto it was Troy's horrible DEF that got JO punted with 4 fouls (Bosh gave a token right fake, drove left straight past Troy to the rim when he bit like an angry dog, JO came to help), then let Delfino and others attack the rim without mercy until JO returned and put a stop to that crap around 8 left in the 4th. JO literally challenged shots every single trip for the next 4-5 minutes after that, including directly creating misses at the rim by Delfino and Bosh. Troy doesn't do that, and worse yet he CREATES that need for inside help by getting smoked badly if he's pulled out of the lane at all.

Troy hit the 3 tonight, that's big, but the drop on defense between he and Jeff/JO is painful, it's really handicapping the team right now. I couldn't figure why JOB insisted on sticking with him in that TOR game; I guess Foster wasn't up to it due to the back and Shawne's just too inconsistent. Jeff's value with this team has never been higher, and I think he's always been a key guy.

MyFavMartin
12-17-2007, 11:43 PM
If you were Zeke and the team quit on you, what would you do?

I think I would bench the starters and put in the young guys, so they could show the starters what it means to appreciate playing time and to play with heart...

Nate
Fred
Balkman
Lee
Morris

Don't even play the starters and let the Knicks lose a game, just to make the point.

MyFavMartin
12-17-2007, 11:46 PM
I hope none of you are overlooking the contributions of Jeff Foster in tonights game. His defense was critical on Zack Randolph. Of coruse I was screaming in the first half, everytim Zack scored, PUT JEFF ON HIM. Finally in the second they did, and about 3 deflections, and about 4 stops later, Zack was shutdown and the game was over.

The Knicks defense is truly horrible and their transition defense is the worst I have ever seen.

Agreed.

We're down by one at the end of the 1st and Jeff had only played a couple minutes up to that point. I see that Randolph is having no trouble scoring and thinking "If I were JOB, what you I do?" And my answer was to put Jeff in and tighten up the defense in the paint.

heywoode
12-17-2007, 11:48 PM
Glad to see us winning when Tins struggled offensively tonight according to the box score. I taped it (Went to I am Legend horrible movie BTW), so I am about to watch it. I'll post more thoughts after that.

What a coincidence, I DVR'd the game and went to that same movie...Glad I didn't just give up on watching the game to go see a movie, it was a great game to watch!

....and this isn't the right forum for it, but I think you're crazy...I Am Legend was an excellent movie. After having seen it, I now want to see the first two incarnations of it, and I want to read the book. I was happy it wasn't all CGI action effects...lots of CGI, but lots of story line if you were paying attention......

andreialta
12-18-2007, 12:02 AM
whats impressive of DUN DUN tonight is the way he runs up and down the court. If you guys noticed it, he played 20 minutes in the 1st half, and the pace he was going was like a marathon, running up and down, honestly, when dunleavy took a couple of jumpers in the 2nd and it hit the front of the rim i thought he had tired legs. Then the 2nd half came and still the running continued, no slowing down, going coast to coast, again played the whole 3rd quarter, and continue the pace he was.

I just think that he his our most and best conditioned athlete out there, even danny granger has less stamina than mike.

just my 2 cents

;)

CableKC
12-18-2007, 12:31 AM
I really really hope that his game doesn't lull us into a false sense of security against the sixers at home. We really didn't even play our best game with all the turnovers and the lack of free throw attempts. Granted though, the margin in free throw attempts I should expect but I would wager that was the smallest amount of free throw attempts we've got all season. I think this is a testament to just how bad the Knicks really are. I hope we come home and keep rolling against Philly we looked like we were playing horse we were so wide open in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
The Sixers are a pretty good defensive team from the perimeter. They have beaten the Cavs and have a tendency to remain in games.

I really hope that we don't underestimate them....they are going to be a tough team to beat.

Naptown_Seth
12-18-2007, 12:52 AM
I do agree that Dun (and Tins) are moving better than anyone on the team. The reason JOB's system works for Dun, besides the fact that Dun has worked to make his 3 ball lethal, is that the more he runs without the ball the more he benefits. For all the talk of Tins being allowed to do what he does best, I think Dunleavy is far more the recipient of being placed in a hospitable environment. Tins has been hot from 3 lately, but honestly his game has looked like this before...yes, under Rick too and not just post-brawl (just not last year, that I agree on).

But for Dunleavy he no longer has to only insert his movement when the play calls for it. The play ALWAYS calls for it now, as much as he can possibly give. He is clearly comfortable off the ball and reads the court well (at both ends). For Dun it puts the strength of his game on his brain and that gives him a coach's kid advantage.

The defense doesn't know what's coming exactly because neither does the offense until they make it up on the fly, at least basically. Obviously there are starting points and some plays being called all the time.

Hoop
12-18-2007, 01:23 AM
Great win no matter who we were playing. I was kinda worried for 3 1/2 quarters. The Knicks should not be that bad, there talent level is pretty good.

Loved JO's comments about he's now finding that JOB's system is even better for him than Rick's was. I'll admit I didn't think it would work, but JO's blending in with the new system and I think things can even get better now.

DunDun was great. He's probably been our most consistent player.

RamBo_Lamar
12-18-2007, 03:23 AM
If you were Zeke and the team quit on you, what would you do?

I think I would bench the starters and put in the young guys, so they could show the starters what it means to appreciate playing time and to play with heart...

Nate
Fred
Balkman
Lee
Morris

Don't even play the starters and let the Knicks lose a game, just to make the point.


While this may be a nice thought, am not so sure it would accomplish
anything. Zeke just isn't a very effective NBA coach.

He may try to preach hustle and to give 110% effort, but I don't think
he's enough of a "Master Tactician" (as far as NBA coaches go) to
choreograph effective gameplans on a consistent basis. In other words,
on most nights it won't matter who he has on the floor because he's not
going to have them play together as a team to the best of their abilities
anyway...JMO

It was certainly nice to see the Pacers put that whooping on them though.
That was quite a top-notch performance for Dun especially...gotta love it!

aceace
12-18-2007, 03:37 AM
From the story on NBA dot com about the game.


Curry was also the victim of a hoax. Word somehow got out that he guaranteed a victory -- which Curry denied -- but word got back to the Pacers, who believed it. O'Neal said the players discussed it and thought it was strange.

Anthem
12-18-2007, 08:43 AM
I just think that he his our most and best conditioned athlete out there, even danny granger has less stamina than mike.
Not sure that's fair to danny... I haven't seen him get tired yet.

But our team as a whole is definitely well-conditioned. I love running other teams into the ground.

If we were Denver our home-court advantage would be amazing.

BillS
12-18-2007, 09:26 AM
I hope none of you are overlooking the contributions of Jeff Foster in tonights game. His defense was critical on Zack Randolph. Of coruse I was screaming in the first half, everytim Zack scored, PUT JEFF ON HIM. Finally in the second they did, and about 3 deflections, and about 4 stops later, Zack was shutdown and the game was over.

At the Raptors game Friday night my wife wanted one of those T-shirts for submitting 50 punched All-Star ballots. So, she punched the spots for the two forwards and two guards. I wrote in Jeff Foster at C on all 50 ballots.

Last night, she looked at me down the stretch of the game and said, "I'm glad you wrote in Foster."

Ragnar
12-18-2007, 09:29 AM
Jeff was awesome tonight. Funny thing is I thought the first half was horrible for Jamaal I thought he was very out of rhythm. But he came through in the second half.

I cant understand why JOB keeps starting Murph, Jeff is so much better at everything other than the three.

Before the season started I was ready to trade Dun for an open bag of chips but now I am very happy with him. Not just because of last nights game either. He does a couple of things that annoy me but for the most part he fits very well with Jamaal and Jermaine and thats a good thing.

Unclebuck
12-18-2007, 09:36 AM
Jeff was awesome tonight. Funny thing is I thought the first half was horrible for Jamaal I thought he was very out of rhythm. But he came through in the second half.

I cant understand why JOB keeps starting Murph, Jeff is so much better at everything other than the three.

Before the season started I was ready to trade Dun for an open bag of chips but now I am very happy with him. Not just because of last nights game either. He does a couple of things that annoy me but for the most part he fits very well with Jamaal and Jermaine and thats a good thing.

Two reasons why Murphy is still starting. Jeff is just coming off his back spasms, and probably can't play long stretches. It might also be the case that the coaching staff has decided that Jeff shouldn't play more than 25 minutes and not starting him is a good way to keep his minutes down. I also think O'Brien would rather have a power forward playing alongside JO who can shoot threes, so that is why Murphy has been given a lot of opportunities.


My biggest worry right now about the Pacers is Jamaal. Chris and Clark mentioned last night that he had injured his leg and he didn't seem to be moving as well as normal last night and that causes him to make a lot of dumb passes (plus playing in NY he seems to want to be fancy). But if JT gets injured, we are in big trouble.

Ragnar
12-18-2007, 09:59 AM
Two reasons why Murphy is still starting. Jeff is just coming off his back spasms, and probably can't play long stretches. It might also be the case that the coaching staff has decided that Jeff shouldn't play more than 25 minutes and not starting him is a good way to keep his minutes down. I also think O'Brien would rather have a power forward playing alongside JO who can shoot threes, so that is why Murphy has been given a lot of opportunities.


My biggest worry right now about the Pacers is Jamaal. Chris and Clark mentioned last night that he had injured his leg and he didn't seem to be moving as well as normal last night and that causes him to make a lot of dumb passes (plus playing in NY he seems to want to be fancy). But if JT gets injured, we are in big trouble.

I can understand wanting to work Jeff back in slowly but you can still limit his minutes when starting him. Just have him be the first one to the bench. He will have disrupted the starters on the other end and can take a break.

I agree about Jamaal's leg. If there was any night where we could afford to rest him it would have been last night. We went on a couple of runs while he was on the bench because Quis can break the Knicks down. I am just not sure he could have done that against say San Antonio. We may be able to get by with some limited minutes tomorrow night. Its not like the sixers are a beast. Of course whenever Miller is in he will probably need to play so he may not get any rest.



P.S. not to hijack the thread but I think people who saw Omega Man with Heston will probably not like I am legend and people who did not will. Thats how it usually works with remakes like that.

OakMoses
12-18-2007, 11:03 AM
I missed the first quarter and a good bit of the second. The second half was awesome though. The Knicks are the biggest joke in pro sports right now. I can't possibly see how you could not fire Isaiah.

Observations:

- Does anyone else think that Dun could do that every night if he made his layups? Probably not, but him making layups on a more consistent basis would give him a couple more buckets a game. He was awesome. It was a great bounce back from the game against Miami.

- Tinsley struggled a little bit, but he made a good decision to get the ball to other guys and let them do their thing. It was a very good move on his part to not try and get himself going when he didn't need to. In the 3rd quarter he was obviously feeding Dun and letting him do his thing. The numbers might not show it, but he played a decent game.

- JO looked good. He's definitely fitting into the offense much better than most of us thought. He had a couple of nice blocks. We all think JO is slow, but then you put him on the court with Curry and Randolph and he looks like Carl Lewis or someone else who's fast.

- Harrison didn't do much, but he had one spectacular block.

- I really beleive that Murph is trying to become a center. His post game isn't improving, but he's definitely more focused on rebounding and is playing more physical defense. He's a much better defender at the 5 than at the 4. All you have to do to play decent low post defense is stay in front of the guy and not foul. He can do that. I know his defense was bad last night, but you have to look at the guys he was guarding. Randolph is a monster on offense, a real handful for almost anybody when he wants to be. Curry isn't one of the top FG% guys in the NBA because he's bad in the low post.

- Foster was great on D. I agree with UB that it seems like they're trying to limit his minutes.

- Marquis and Danny played well in supporting roles. 'Quis was his usual self getting into the paint and then being automatic on tough-looking shots. Danny hit his open jumpers and had one great block.

OakMoses
12-18-2007, 11:05 AM
One thing I forgot to mention:

Randolph should have been pulled for the rest of the game after letting Murph hit the three while he stood just outside the lane with his back turned talking to the ref.

Did anybody else hear the Knicks announcers talking about when Marbury left the first time? They said that Isaiah took a team vote and the players voted unanimously that Isaiah should not play Marbury the next game. He played 34 minutes.

CableKC
12-18-2007, 01:52 PM
Curry isn't one of the top FG% guys in the NBA because he's bad in the low post.
I have no clue as to whether Curry scores most of his points in the Low-Post or not....but Curry has a 54% FG% on 11.2 FGA per game....which put him 13th on the league in overall FG%. He may rebound, block shots and defend the paint like my Grandmother.....but he's pretty efficient from the scoring end.

CableKC
12-18-2007, 01:56 PM
Did anybody else hear the Knicks announcers talking about when Marbury left the first time? They said that Isaiah took a team vote and the players voted unanimously that Isaiah should not play Marbury the next game. He played 34 minutes.
If this is true....then Zeke must be a player's coach...he let's the team decide what is best for the team.

From a coaching perspective....I'm not saying that it's a good idea to play Marbury or not......but isn't this something that the coaching staff is supposed to decide?

Is this the way that he coaches.....coaching by player majority?

No wonder they suck so badly......the asylum is being run by the inmates.

Will Galen
12-18-2007, 02:10 PM
If this is true....then Zeke must be a player's coach...he let's the team decide what is best for the team.

From a coaching perspective....I'm not saying that it's a good idea to play Marbury or not......but isn't this something that the coaching staff is supposed to decide?

Is this the way that he coaches.....coaching by player majority?

No wonder they suck so badly......the asylum is being run by the inmates.

I think you need to read the post you commented on again.

gummy
12-18-2007, 02:26 PM
If this is true....then Zeke must be a player's coach...he let's the team decide what is best for the team.

From a coaching perspective....I'm not saying that it's a good idea to play Marbury or not......but isn't this something that the coaching staff is supposed to decide?

Is this the way that he coaches.....coaching by player majority?

No wonder they suck so badly......the asylum is being run by the inmates.

Actually, what they said was that Zeke asked the players for their opinion, took a vote...and then promptly ignored the unanimous voice of the players.

Since86
12-18-2007, 02:34 PM
One thing I forgot to mention:

Randolph should have been pulled for the rest of the game after letting Murph hit the three while he stood just outside the lane with his back turned talking to the ref.

Did anybody else hear the Knicks announcers talking about when Marbury left the first time? They said that Isaiah took a team vote and the players voted unanimously that Isaiah should not play Marbury the next game. He played 34 minutes.

That was an old story. That happened when Marbury left the team and he came back, against PHO I believe, when him and Isiah had their spat.

DisplacedKnick
12-18-2007, 03:31 PM
Randolph should have been pulled for the rest of the game after letting Murph hit the three while he stood just outside the lane with his back turned talking to the ref.


Please - how many times did Jalen do that when Isiah coached the Pacers?

I don't remember him even getting 5 minutes on the bench, let alone sit the rest of the game.

Maybe it's something Isiah works on in practice . . .

CableKC
12-18-2007, 04:23 PM
I think you need to read the post you commented on again.
D'oh...I read it again and didn't catch the "first time" part about Marbury regarding ( I'm guessing ) the time he "had something on Zeke".

Although the incident was incorrect.....my post could still apply.....why is the coach letting the team "vote by majority" whether a player should play or not?

Oneal07
12-18-2007, 04:53 PM
Pacers actually had fun last night. . I was nice seeing Jermaine smilling, trying to school the knicks. He was laughing when he fouled out. I haven't seen that in a long time.

I expect us to have a 4-0 week this week!!!

avoidingtheclowns
12-18-2007, 05:27 PM
here is Yahoo Blogger Kelly Dwyer's take on the game...



Indiana 119, New York 92 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007121718)
A League Pass blackout prevented me from seeing this one, but it's not hard to guess at what went down: the Pacers ran the Knicks silly, shot quite well, and watched as a gassed Knick team plied its own inefficient offensive trade on the other end (95 points per 100 possessions for a Knick team supposedly built to outscore anyone). Eddy Curry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514/) and Zach Randolph (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3531/) combined for more turnovers (12) than rebounds (11), Jim O'Brien crouched a lot, Isiah Thomas pursed his lips, and the Knicks lost another one.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/nba_experts/post/Behind-the-boxscore-where-synthesizers-can-t-ev?urn=nba,58360


and then deadspin's...



• Be Like Mike Redux. The following takes place between 11:35 and 0:51 in the third quarter: Dunleavy running jump shot. Dunleavy running bank shot. Dunleavy layup. Dunleavy driving layup. Dunleavy free throws. Dunleavy reverse layup, plus one. Dunleavy driving layup. Dunleavy three. Dunleavy layup. And finally, two more Dunleavy free throws. Okay, now try and guess which team 'lil Dun hung a career-high 36 points on to beat 119-92. Here's a hint. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=65371aac364b4b3781674823bf6c1c2d.knicks _pacers_basketball_nykw104&prov=ap) Any guesses?

http://deadspin.com/sports/nba-closer/playoff-ball-in-december-335039.php

CableKC
12-18-2007, 05:50 PM
Unless the Knicks are able to pull it together like they did towards the end of last season.....there is no way that I can see the Knicks keeping Zeke as the Coach after this season.