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Shade
05-31-2004, 07:29 PM
Prepare to have "but Artest is on your team" thrown in your face a lot.

We'll see how Kstat feels when Sheed returns to the person we all know he really is. And Brown is just the coach to get under his skin.

ABADays
05-31-2004, 07:39 PM
To be fair, at lthe very least, announcers DID say things about Ron's antics a couple of season's ago.

Kstat
05-31-2004, 08:31 PM
To be fair, at lthe very least, announcers DID say things about Ron's antics a couple of season's ago.

We're not in this thread to be fair though. We're here to bag on the horrible, dispicible criminal mastermind known as Rasheed Wallace :rolleyes:

kerosene
05-31-2004, 08:40 PM
We're not in this thread to be fair though. We're here to bag on the horrible, dispicible criminal mastermind known as Rasheed Wallace :rolleyes:

Dude, you totally know that spot on his head is the mark of the beast right?

Shade
05-31-2004, 08:44 PM
To be fair, at lthe very least, announcers DID say things about Ron's antics a couple of season's ago.

We're not in this thread to be fair though. We're here to bag on the horrible, dispicible criminal mastermind known as Rasheed Wallace :rolleyes:

But the thing is, we acknowledge Ron's problems. You do nothing but praise Sheed.

Kstat
05-31-2004, 08:46 PM
Why would you post a quote by Rasheed Wallace? I understand that he made a statement that most Piston fans like to hear from their players, but this is Rasheed Wallace. Not Joe Namath or even Ben Wallce. Not to mention that “Promises” and “Guarantees” are a dime a dozen in professional sports. Eveyone makes them, and if they don’t back them up, who cares.

Simply because everyone here was ripping on him for the guarentee. And if we had LOST id have put that into m sig too.

Rasheed's never made such a guarentee in his career. I would have lost a lot of respect for him if we'd lost, but he gutted it out on that leg and really hounded JO all over the court. He also gave his teamates confidence that they really COULD beat the Pacers Rasheed is a fierce compeditor and his prediction exemlified that.

R. Wallace is not someone to look up to or be proud that he is on your team. R. Wallace is a thug player who has made mistakes his entire career and NEVER learned from any of them. R. Wallce has never been, nor will he ever be, an example to kids of a good citizen. Even if you don’t thinks drugs should be illegal, maybe discretion is the better part of valor. Can’t he just keep his personal life at home and not take his drugs out into public where he is sure to be scrutinized by police. That does seem to happen when you have a prior ARREST record.

Since coming to Detroit, Rasheed has been REMARKABLE. He has this public image of being a bad person and teamate, its really the opposite. He's the first guy off the bench to congradulate his teamates, he cheers louder than half the FANS in the building, and he's the guy that checks with EVERYONE to make sure they're in the right spot defensively. Ask the entire team. Ben Wants him back. Chauncey wants him back. Rip REALLY wants him back.

And by the way, i could care less if the guy smokes weed. %90 of this forum probably smokes it too. Am I supposed to think worse of him because he got caught with it?

f Ben Wallace wants to guarantee things and you feel the need to quote him I would understand. But Rasheed Wallace? How can one have any respect for a man with so much talent but so little self control AND he’s a poor role model and an extremely poor example of a good citizen?

I respect the one guy on the Pistons that had the balls to step up and tell everybody that they pistons not only COULD win in Indiana, but they WOULD win in Indiana. Without his confidence, I don't think wed have made it out of round two. He brings a mental edge that has rubbed off on the team, ESPECIALLY Rip hamilton. When a guy is taking heat for his team, you can't help but feel the pressure's off you to perform, and play a little looser.

Because I respect your basketball knowledge and your ability to debate without name calling or being a complete homer (you do overestimate your team on occasion, but we ALL do) I ask you to think about your loyalty to or admiration of a man like R. Wallace.

If Rasheed continues to by the incredible team player he has been, I will stay loyal to him. I don't care WHAT hes done in his past, as long as he stays the consummate teamate he has been in Detroit, I will continue to support him. I think the fact the entire TEAM made up of mostly nice guys is lobbying Joe D to sign him, not to mention LARRY BROWN, who had to deal with ALLEN IVERSON for 7 years, speaks VOLUMES about what kind of a teamate he is.

BostonConnection
05-31-2004, 09:33 PM
And by the way, i could care less if the guy smokes weed. %90 of this forum probably smokes it too.

I'm not really trying to sidetrack this discussion, but I'm curious. This is at least the 2nd time I've read you make the statement that "90% of this forum probably smokes weed too". Now, obviously you're within your rights to care or not to care if Sheed smokes marijuana, but why do you keep repeating the assertion that the vast majority of this forum smokes it too? Is there some secret internet drug test that you've been clandestinely administering to the members here?
:hippie: ;)

I now return you to your regularly scheduled Sheed debate, already in progress... :reporter:

DTropps
06-01-2004, 12:48 AM
Can't a fan just be a fan of his team? Do we really have to look at the moral implications of a signature line when it's something positive about your team. Heck, it's not even a negative comment.

I didn't make anything out of Rasheed's comments but if people enjoy that he said it and we won, who's it hurting?

Pig Nash
06-01-2004, 12:51 AM
Can't a fan just be a fan of his team? Do we really have to look at the moral implications of a signature line when it's something positive about your team. Heck, it's not even a negative comment.

I didn't make anything out of Rasheed's comments but if people enjoy that he said it and we won, who's it hurting?

I'm gonna have to agree with him. :shrug:

bulletproof
06-01-2004, 03:58 AM
Can we skip the formalities and go ahead and award this THE MOST RIDICULOUS THREAD OF 2004.

Liquid Slap
06-01-2004, 07:47 AM
I "guarantee" that Rasheed Wallace is a good citizen...

Fool
06-01-2004, 10:47 AM
Why isn't this thread addressed to J.O who is friends with Wallace which (I would think) would be much more disturbing to someone who thinks so little of Wallace and so highly J.O. ?

I'm going to chime in here, I hope no one minds.

First off, Wallace was incredibly important in game two. Yes he shot terribly but the entire Piston team shot 35% that game. He had 5 blocks (game high) and 8 rebounds (tied for team high) and 10 pts (incredibly, 2nd most on team) in that game. No that stat line doesn't look good but thats the way the game went, stats were hard to come by, it was an ugly game but the Piston's grinded it out, in large part thanks to R.Wallace. He also held JO under 20 points (16) so to say he might as well have not played is a joke.

Second, even if all someone watched was highlights of his past seasons they could tell a difference between how he reacts to calls then as opposed to know. I understand he is on the team that is opposing your team and so he is arguing every call you think is fair but take a look at how he argues. Everyone here loves to talk about the time Wallace went into the crowd in frustration with a call and act like it was a crime and he should have been t'ed if not thrown out. I don't get this. To me (and apparently to the officials) its a much better reaction than yelling in their face. He didn't interact with the fans as he stormed away of cause a scene, yes he stromed off, but he wasn't jumping up and down or lashing out, he was animated but pretty controlled. he used to be demonstrative and try to show up the refs in Portland, he would jump in their faces flail around and appear to have tantrums on the court. So far all he has done here is consistently and persistantly argue with some animation. As for the swear words, no I don't like then, but he doesn't call the refs names with them (its usually just "thats b.s" "this is b.s."). Is that t'able? If so, there should be a lot more t's in the game.

Third, character. I agree that no one likes the guy who showed up officials every game and seemed to get arrest for weed possession every season. I'm also tired of pro athletes who can't figure out how to follow the laws everyone has to follow. But I do like this http://www.rawallacefoundation.com
Everyone of his former teamates speaks highly of him as a teamate. And every former coach praises his team oriented style of play, his leadership in the locker room. While in Detroit he's shown nothing but desire to compete, hard work, and commitment, and he has elevated the teams performance (come on, how many of you thought the Pistons would be a challenge to the Pacers before they got R.W?) without causing any riffs.

Fourth, statistics.

Technical Fouls:

2003-2004 regular season
R.Wallace - 18 (#2 in the NBA)
J.O'Neal - 16 (#3 in the NBA tied with 2 others)

2003-2004 postseason
J'Oneal - 4 (#2 in the NBA tied with 3 others including R.Hamilton)
R.Wallace - 1 (tied for #28 with ... well a lot of others)

2003-2004 total (so far)
J.O'Neal - 20
R.Wallace - 19

2002-2003 regular season
R.Wallace - 11 (#13 in the NBA tied with 4 others)
J.O'Neal - 17 (tied for #3 in the NBA with 2 others)

2002-2003 postseason
R.Wallace - 1
J'O'Neal - 3 (tied for #6 in the NBA with 6 others, though IND only played one series)

2002 - 2003 total
J.O'Neal - 20
R.Wallace -18

2001-2002 regular season
R.Wallace - 27 (#1 in NBA by a whopping 7 fouls)
J.O'Neal - 12 (#19 in the NBA tied with 7 others)

2001-2002 postseason
R.Wallace - 1
J.O'Neal - 2

2001 - 2002 totals
R.Wallace - 28
J.O'neal - 14

No one is calling out Pacer fans (at least not on this website) for embracing Artest after just one season of not being the "thug player" (as R.Wallace was called in this thread) that he was last year. Wallace has been much more controlled emotionally in the past few seasons, yes he is still high on the technical foul list, but so is the highly thought of J.O'Neal (as shown). Where is the outcry to label him this terrible role model for kids?