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esabyrn333
12-15-2007, 12:50 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=8 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=wiretap_key_header>Knicks Eyeing Deal?</TD></TR><TR><TD>December 15, 2007 - 6:28 am</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Curry_Eddy_nyk.jpgNew York Post -
Isiah Thomas sounds like a man desperate to make changes to his roster - and you can take Eddy Curry (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/93/eddy_curry/) off the untouchable list.

Thomas insinuated some guys on the club can't play in the manner he wants and made his most damning remarks yet about Curry, pointing out his flaws and admitting Curry may not develop into a franchise center to build around.

It seems the time for the Knicks (http://knicks.realgm.com/) to reignite trade talks for Ron Artest (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/2/ron_artest/), who can opt out after next season. With team morale at its lowest and one of the supposed team leaders on-the-block Malik Rose (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/315/malik_rose/) recently asking to be placed on the inactive list, Artest can't make the climate any worse. Rose dressed last night only because of Quentin Richardson (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/42/quentin_richardson/)'s knee injury but did not play.

Thomas said in the summer he wouldn't deal David Lee (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1080/david_lee/) or Renaldo Balkman (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/675/renaldo_balkman/) for Artest, but that may have changed.

Thomas' recent rips on Curry could be perceived as bracing fans for Curry's departure.

"I can say that, as always, if we can improve our team, we will," Thomas said yesterday, which usually is code phrase for saying the club is active in trade talks. And, there's a growing sense more than just Rose wants out too. [READ] (javascript:rgmow('/rgmow.php?aid=49737','49737')) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/49737/20071215/knicks_eyeing_deal/


Would you trade JO and Murphy for Marbury and Curry????? Marbury would expire next year and Curry could be our center for a long time and we unload murphy.



Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.7 ppg, -6.5 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

<TABLE class=breakdowntable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH scope=col colSpan=2>Incoming Players</TH></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Curry_Eddy_nyk.jpg </TD><TD>Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
14.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.1 minutes </TD></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Marbury_Stephon_nyk.jpg </TD><TD class=even>Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
13.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 4.9 apg in 32.1 minutes </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=breakdowntable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH scope=col colSpan=2>Outgoing Players</TH></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Murphy_Troy_ind.jpg </TD><TD>Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
10.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/ONeal_Jermaine_ind.jpg </TD><TD class=even>Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
15.2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.5 minutes</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

LoneGranger33
12-15-2007, 01:16 PM
Do we want Curry as our center for a long time?

idioteque
12-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Curry runs the floor even slower than JO. I don't know why we would want that and I don't think it would work for us.

Marbury...are you kidding me? If you think the fans are mad at Tinsley just wait to see what happens when we bring Marbury in. Quite simply: he has never played for a team and made their situation a whole lot better. Every team he's ever played on for an extended period of time has really improved after he left.

Shade
12-15-2007, 01:37 PM
Nah, not a big fan of Curry.

esabyrn333
12-15-2007, 02:10 PM
My point was Curry is more usfull than Murphy. But the key is we get cap space by Marburry's expiring contract to sign our young guys. I would take Curry over Murphy any day of the week. I am pretty sure if Curry didn't work out he would be much easier to move that Murphy. Marburry we could buy out or keep him and play two points at times with him and the Tin man. I don't know if NY would go for this though.

Pacersfan46
12-15-2007, 02:24 PM
I'll pass. Throw in a 1st and I could be down. :)

-- Steve --

grace
12-15-2007, 02:32 PM
Ah, let me think...No.

odeez
12-15-2007, 02:59 PM
NO WAY!

FlavaDave
12-15-2007, 03:01 PM
what

NapTonius Monk
12-15-2007, 03:22 PM
:picard:

UMMMMM NO!

croz24
12-15-2007, 03:28 PM
not like the pacers are going anywhere with what they have. it is pretty important that the pacers actually DON'T make the playoffs so they get a top draft pick. the only way a franchise can become great is by being bad...bad enough to get a top 5 pick. marbury and curry would not only help us get that top 5 draft pick, but would provide us with tremendous cap relief...

CableKC
12-15-2007, 03:32 PM
In NBA2K8 I would consider this deal...but in real life....I probably wouldn't.....mainly cuz we don't need a Starting PG like Marbury....we need a backup PG that can defend. Although Curry is a way better low-post scorer.....I don't see him running and keeping up with the offense...much less rebounding better then Dunleavy.

Mourning
12-15-2007, 03:43 PM
Nope! The salary relief is very necessary, but a new nucklehead is not and neither is a new center who:
1) can't run,
2) can't rebound and
3) can't play defense.

Not that Troy is suficable at nr.3, but he atleast rebounds and what is the sense of letting JO go and then get this crap back? Ok, we unload Troy, that's true and we get sooner salary relief, but we also will let go of our primary lowpost player. Did I mention Marbury is a MAJOR knucklehead?

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

OnlyPacersLeft
12-15-2007, 04:25 PM
JO and murph for marbury and curry? EWWWWWWWW NO....who wants marbury when we have tinsley!

JayRedd
12-15-2007, 04:29 PM
The only Knicks I have any interest in are David Lee, Jamal Crawford and Renaldo Balkman.

I actually do like Curry, but not for this team/coach. Doesn't fit with the system. Besides, JO is just as good on the block and does everything else better. Eddy's contract is nice, but even a $10 salary relief move would devastate our defense and running style too much to be worth it.

If we're gonna trade JO, we gotta get at least one key piece back that fits into our future plans. Curry doesn't. And Steph obviously doesn't.

If we can somehow get Crawford and Lee for JO and, let's say, Shawne by getting a 3rd team involved to make salary work, then you got a deal.

Meanwhile, let's not pretend Bird and Zeke could even have a civil conversation let alone negotiate a complicated deal.

kester99
12-15-2007, 04:37 PM
The only Knicks I have any interest in are David Lee, Jamal Crawford and Renaldo Balkman.

I actually do like Curry, but not for this team. JO is just as good on the block and does everything else better.

Got to give you an 'amen' on that one...David Lee...wouldn't it be great? Never happen though.

I really don't see the Pacers in a position to trade anyone. Acquire released players from other teams, yes, but we have no one who fits the bill for a trade: doesn't fit here, still good enough for some other team, and doesn't have a huge contract coming with them. Any team willing to trade for someone who DOESN'T fit those criteria is trying to get rid of some worn-out baggage somehow.

avoidingtheclowns
12-15-2007, 04:44 PM
i might trade troy murphy for curry. he wouldn't be much worse than murphy on defense and it would allow JO to not get hammered as much on offense cause he'd be at PF and eddy would at least command some type of defense. not like it is gonna happen just saying i'd be open to that deal but not the starbury/JO part

pig norton
12-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Wait a minute people, if Marbury is on our team, we can trade him in a couple years and be instantly better.

Arcadian
12-15-2007, 05:06 PM
I think the key here is that IT needs to bring in Ron to finish off the Knick franchise. Bad contracts while effective just haven't been able to finish off the Knicks. This is something Ron should be able to do.

Young
12-15-2007, 05:07 PM
The only Knicks I have any interest in are David Lee, Jamal Crawford and Renaldo Balkman.

I actually do like Curry, but not for this team/coach. Doesn't fit with the system. Besides, JO is just as good on the block and does everything else better. Eddy's contract is nice, but even a $10 salary relief move would devastate our defense and running style too much to be worth it.

If we're gonna trade JO, we gotta get at least one key piece back that fits into our future plans. Curry doesn't. And Steph obviously doesn't.

If we can somehow get Crawford and Lee for JO and, let's say, Shawne by getting a 3rd team involved to make salary work, then you got a deal.

Meanwhile, let's not pretend Bird and Zeke could even have a civil conversation let alone negotiate a complicated deal.

Pretty much I agree with all of this.

I think there should be plenty of interest in Curry though. Really good low post scorer and a fair salary for him.

The Bulls are the first team that should show some interest. I don't know if there were problems between Eddy and the organization, but they need a big who can score. And Curry's salary is one that the Bulls can actually match. Could they offer up maybe Joe Smith plus maybe Ben Gordon or one of their young players.

What about the Cavs or Pistons? Not sure who either team would trade for Curry.

The Lakers could have interest. Kwame Brown plus ? for Curry? Don't know how Bynum and Curry would fit together.

I don't know what Thomas would be looking for in exchange for Curry. I think he would take about any deal he thinks is fair. If it does or does not make sense for his club.

avoidingtheclowns
12-15-2007, 05:16 PM
if charlotte hadn't just made the nazr trade, you might think they would have used brezec and other parts including may and morrison for a low-post presence to play along side okafor. the nets could be players if they haven't decided to blow it up. and then obviously the kings but i can't see how the kings would trade artest for curry and leave themselves with brad, mikki, spencer hawes and then curry at C/PF.

sportsmusicxboxpacer
12-15-2007, 05:27 PM
what i can see get curry without tradeing jo will be nice jo and curry duo

Anthem
12-15-2007, 06:51 PM
Jermaine's playing his worst ball of the past decade, and he's still better than Curry. People who gripe about Jermaine's rebounding would go ballistic over Curry.

But in theory, I'd have no problem trading Jermaine to the Knicks if they took Murphy as well and we got something (anything) decent in return. I don't want Curry unless we were moving him immediately.

:goes to check trade checker:

Shade
12-15-2007, 07:06 PM
...New York Post...Nuff said.

Shade
12-15-2007, 07:08 PM
Jermaine's playing his worst ball of the past decade, and he's still better than Curry. People who gripe about Jermaine's rebounding would go ballistic over Curry.

But in theory, I'd have no problem trading Jermaine to the Knicks if they took Murphy as well and we got something (anything) decent in return. I don't want Curry unless we were moving him immediately.

:goes to check trade checker:

How about Speedbag as our desperately-needed back-up PG? :eyebrow:

BlueNGold
12-15-2007, 07:10 PM
Let's not do that.

The idea of a salary cut is intoxicating, but I think the morning after would be worse.

Now, if they throw in David Lee, it would be something to consider. I think David Lee would be excellent in this offense.

Shade
12-15-2007, 07:14 PM
Let's not do that.

The idea of a salary cut is intoxicating, but I think the morning after would be worse.

Now, if they throw in David Lee, it would be something to consider. I think David Lee would be excellent in this offense.

Ah...the "All Three" Line-Up would be one step closer to fruition:

Granger
Williams
Lee
Dunleavy

http://www.xsltblog.com/archives/The-Simpsons-Mr-Burns-Excel.jpg

Anthem
12-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Do we want Curry as our center for a long time?
Nope.

Shade
12-15-2007, 07:22 PM
Do we want Curry as our center for a long time?

We probably wouldn't have the choice. All that we've been missing the past three years is a player having a heart attack on the court.

esabyrn333
12-15-2007, 07:28 PM
We probably wouldn't have the choice. All that we've been missing the past three years is a player having a heart attack on the court.


More cap relief :eek:

Sign Ben Gordon in the offseason.... :D

Anthem
12-15-2007, 07:28 PM
:goes to check trade checker:
:laugh: Ok, here you go. Would obviously never happen, but it's workable.

Indy gives JO, Troy, Kareem, Graham, Ballboy
Indy gets Starbury, M.Rose, Kwame, David Lee, JC Superstar, LA's 1st-round pick

NY gives Malik Rose, Starbury, Lee, E.Curry
NY gets JO, Troy, Deiner, Graham

LAL gives Kwame Brown, JC Superstart, pick
LAL gets Eddie Curry, Kareem Rush

- LA gets a pretty good center and a good shooter who knows the triangle, pretty much for free.
- NY gets rid of two troublemakers and gets a guy who will back Zeke in the locker room and produce on the court.
- Indy gets out from under some contracts with an eye toward the future, picks up two young prospects and a pick, but probably stays at least a .500 team for the year.

EDIT: New lineup would be (assuming everybody healthy):

Foster / Hulk / Brown
Lee / Ike / Rose
Granger / Shawne
Dun / Quis /
Jamaal / Starbury / Owens / JC Superstar

In terms of rotations, it's no worse of a mess than we had, but the contract situation would be a lot better.

BlueNGold
12-15-2007, 08:33 PM
Ah...the "All Three" Line-Up would be one step closer to fruition:

Granger
Williams
Lee
Dunleavy



We're there :dance::

Granger
Williams
Lee
Dunleavy
Quis

No, Lee is a PF...not stud like JO, but legit. He's the back up for Zach Randolph at PF in their depth chart. At 6'9", 240lbs, he's almost the exact same size as McDyess...and he's a glass cleaner.

More than anything, he runs the floor like a deer. He's never had the opportunity to play in a free open offense like this and I truly think he would excel. He goes after the ball like Foster, but also can score the ball extremely efficiently. The last 7 games his numbers have been up and he's had about a 65-70% FG%!

Edit: Last year, Lee averaged a double double and shot 60% from the floor. Year before 59%...and he's only 24 yo.

denyfizle
12-15-2007, 08:41 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=8 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=wiretap_key_header>Knicks Eyeing Deal?</TD></TR><TR><TD>December 15, 2007 - 6:28 am</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Curry_Eddy_nyk.jpgNew York Post -
Isiah Thomas sounds like a man desperate to make changes to his roster - and you can take Eddy Curry (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/93/eddy_curry/) off the untouchable list.

Thomas insinuated some guys on the club can't play in the manner he wants and made his most damning remarks yet about Curry, pointing out his flaws and admitting Curry may not develop into a franchise center to build around.

It seems the time for the Knicks (http://knicks.realgm.com/) to reignite trade talks for Ron Artest (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/2/ron_artest/), who can opt out after next season. With team morale at its lowest and one of the supposed team leaders on-the-block Malik Rose (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/315/malik_rose/) recently asking to be placed on the inactive list, Artest can't make the climate any worse. Rose dressed last night only because of Quentin Richardson (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/42/quentin_richardson/)'s knee injury but did not play.

Thomas said in the summer he wouldn't deal David Lee (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1080/david_lee/) or Renaldo Balkman (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/675/renaldo_balkman/) for Artest, but that may have changed.

Thomas' recent rips on Curry could be perceived as bracing fans for Curry's departure.

"I can say that, as always, if we can improve our team, we will," Thomas said yesterday, which usually is code phrase for saying the club is active in trade talks. And, there's a growing sense more than just Rose wants out too. [READ] (javascript:rgmow('/rgmow.php?aid=49737','49737')) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/49737/20071215/knicks_eyeing_deal/


Would you trade JO and Murphy for Marbury and Curry????? Marbury would expire next year and Curry could be our center for a long time and we unload murphy.



Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.7 ppg, -6.5 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

<TABLE class=breakdowntable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH scope=col colSpan=2>Incoming Players</TH></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Curry_Eddy_nyk.jpg </TD><TD>Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
14.3 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 29.1 minutes </TD></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Marbury_Stephon_nyk.jpg </TD><TD class=even>Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
13.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 4.9 apg in 32.1 minutes </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=breakdowntable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH scope=col colSpan=2>Outgoing Players</TH></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Murphy_Troy_ind.jpg </TD><TD>Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
10.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=photo>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/ONeal_Jermaine_ind.jpg </TD><TD class=even>Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
15.2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.5 apg in 30.5 minutes</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Only a Knick fan would want to do this. This is :suicide2:

Rajah Brown
12-15-2007, 09:01 PM
If Starbury only had this year left I'd strongly consider it with a
2008 and 2009 1st rounder thrown in from the Knicks. We could
just pay Starbury and tell him to get lost and Curry should be
movable as part of some kind of deal. With his size, someone
will always be dumb enough to think they can turn him into
a solid, NBA center.

Does NY have their own 1st rounder next Summer ?

jeffg-body
12-15-2007, 10:24 PM
No way on any Starbury trade. They would have to put in Lee, Balkman or Crawford with any trade.

Robertmto
12-15-2007, 10:29 PM
Ah...the "All Three" Line-Up would be one step closer to fruition:

Granger
Williams
Lee
Dunleavy

http://www.xsltblog.com/archives/The-Simpsons-Mr-Burns-Excel.jpg

David Lee is a four to his core.
Throw in Eddie Gill and Quis instead.


BUT maybe this means us Wizards can get Jared Jeffries back. YAY!!

Doddage
12-15-2007, 10:30 PM
Marbury = cap relief, so even if you don't like him as a player, he is an asset that any team would have to consider.

That said, he really has no place on this team. That is, unless, he accepts a bench role and relieves Jamaal. If that's the case, then I'd consider doing the deal with him and Curry for JO, Murph, and 1sts, even though I don't like Curry that much. It's all about the picks though and making this team a solid, surefire contender at some point in the future.