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NorCal_Pacerfan
12-11-2007, 12:06 AM
So, someone attempted to literally kill JT. His car was riddled with bullet holes from an AK-47 type of weapon (as far as we know). How will this event affect his play? Will he be unphased by this? And will it spill over onto the team's overall performance? If yes, how long do you think it will take for this spell to pass?

Unclebuck
12-11-2007, 12:09 AM
I don't know

Evan_The_Dude
12-11-2007, 12:18 AM
If anything, he's got to play even better than he has been. That's going to be hard to do. But to the fans that only read the words "Pacers" "Tinsley" and "Shooting", they're going to tune the Pacers out again (as if many already hadn't done so), so the entire team has something to prove to it's fans. I don't think J'OB is going to let this team slack up because of this incident, he's going to push them harder.

BoomBaby33
12-11-2007, 12:38 AM
So, someone attempted to literally kill JT. His car was riddled with bullet holes from an AK-47 type of weapon (as far as we know). How will this event affect his play? Will he be unphased by this? And will it spill over onto the team's overall performance? If yes, how long do you think it will take for this spell to pass?

Like UB, I don't know. I think it depends on how practice went today. I suppose there could be dissension within the ranks in regards to punishment, but I'm not sure Shawne Williams has the clout as of yet to cause much of a stir or distraction (I don't think he would anyway BTW). I think it also depends on how JO approaches it from the team leader standpoint in the locker room. I was pleasantly surprised on how JO reacted on his TV interview about Tins being at the wrong place at the wrong time. I just hope that he said this to Tins in the locker room, prior to saying it to the media.

Its sounds like Tins was somewhat sincere in his "apology", thanking God for sparing his life. Maybe this is what will open his eyes. Unfortunately, I think it will affect Tins for a few games (watch his turnovers increase), then he will get back to his good play of late soon.

It also sounds like Obie put his foot down pretty hard with a few "words" and Tins took them to heart - we can only hope.

In short, I think the Pacers have built some good momentum over the last 8-10 games, and I think they can sustain it.

Oneal07
12-11-2007, 01:39 AM
He's gonna play like it's his last game. I expect Tins to play even harder!!!

The question is, how will the team react on the court with him. It can go either way IMO. But I think the players will play with more heart. Pacers always need some kind of adversity

Rinuven
12-11-2007, 09:23 AM
The question is, how will the team react on the court with him. It can go either way IMO. But I think the players will play with more heart. Pacers always need some kind of adversity

Do they really need adversity? I think the successes this franchise have had both in the past and recently come from stability and consistency. This season is the first time in awhile that these guys seems to have a spring in their step and enjoying the game of basketball, which injuries, aside, I think comes from the lack of outside drama and going into camp together as a team. For everyone involved with this franchise from the fans to the players and on up, the last thing we need is "adversity" beyond what the next opponent gives us. What we need is to go out there and string some wins together, putting as much space between us and all this "adversity".

I hope you are right that they come out and play with fire, but not using this type of event as the fuel. They were playing some pretty damn good basketball before it happened, that's all I need.

Roaming Gnome
12-11-2007, 09:47 AM
If anything, he's got to play even better...

...to the fans that only read the words "Pacers" "Tinsley" and "Shooting", they're going to tune the Pacers out again (as if many already hadn't done so), so the entire team has something to prove to it's fans. I don't think J'OB is going to let this team slack up because of this incident, he's going to push them harder.

I know that many of you will not agree with me, nor do I expect you to. I'm just so over these a-holes that really have no intrest in the team but offer their uninformed opinions on the team. I'm just sick of it! Screw hearing about how Indy's "fair weather" fans feel about this team, screw RTV6 and their, "Should Tinsley be punished?" poll where 82 percent of respondants said he should be.

As far as I'm concerned, IMHO, and anything else I can say that tells you this is my opinion. Tinsley did nothing wrong besides cross paths with a homicidal nut case with an AK. These same a-holes that feel Tinsley should be punished are acting like they could care less about some fool running around with the balls to shoot up Downtown Indy with a damn "Machine Gun". Hellooooooo....Machine Gun fired in Downtown!!!!!!! Oh and, who cares Tinsley was nearly murdered on the streets of downtown Indy, but lets ***** about the fact that he went out clubbing. Whatever, Indy!

Honestly, I'm to the point where I don't care if it is just Unclebuck, Mal, Magic Rat, Peck and myself in the Fieldhouse. I'm just so sick of this "Fan Outrage" that the local media is so keen on reporting.

Vince Neil
12-11-2007, 10:46 AM
I hope Tins gets a standing ovation tomorrow and is cheered loudly throughout the game. But it is probably too much to ask.............I guess.

Hicks
12-11-2007, 11:11 AM
I know that many of you will not agree with me, nor do I expect you to. I'm just so over these a-holes that really have no intrest in the team but offer their uninformed opinions on the team. I'm just sick of it! Screw hearing about how Indy's "fair weather" fans feel about this team, screw RTV6 and their, "Should Tinsley be punished?" poll where 82 percent of respondants said he should be.

As far as I'm concerned, IMHO, and anything else I can say that tells you this is my opinion. Tinsley did nothing wrong besides cross paths with a homicidal nut case with an AK. These same a-holes that feel Tinsley should be punished are acting like they could care less about some fool running around with the balls to shoot up Downtown Indy with a damn "Machine Gun". Hellooooooo....Machine Gun fired in Downtown!!!!!!! Oh and, who cares Tinsley was nearly murdered on the streets of downtown Indy, but lets ***** about the fact that he went out clubbing. Whatever, Indy!

Honestly, I'm to the point where I don't care if it is just Unclebuck, Mal, Magic Rat, Peck and myself in the Fieldhouse. I'm just so sick of this "Fan Outrage" that the local media is so keen on reporting.

Yeah, this whole thing's making me defensive of this team in a way I wasn't expecting. I even fired off another email to our ticket rep to rant a bit. Basically it's the media and the fans who already bailed, that are now rushing to the door to be the loudest idiots to try to get JT burned at the stake.

You know what, up until the second to last home game, I wasn't even applauding Tinsley during player introductions. I think I'm going to root loudly for him from now on to make a small statement about this whole thing.

I've mostly mellowed at how I root for the team, but this has me fired up to start rooting hard for them again more consistently.

Evan_The_Dude
12-11-2007, 12:39 PM
I know that many of you will not agree with me, nor do I expect you to. I'm just so over these a-holes that really have no intrest in the team but offer their uninformed opinions on the team. I'm just sick of it! Screw hearing about how Indy's "fair weather" fans feel about this team, screw RTV6 and their, "Should Tinsley be punished?" poll where 82 percent of respondants said he should be.

As far as I'm concerned, IMHO, and anything else I can say that tells you this is my opinion. Tinsley did nothing wrong besides cross paths with a homicidal nut case with an AK. These same a-holes that feel Tinsley should be punished are acting like they could care less about some fool running around with the balls to shoot up Downtown Indy with a damn "Machine Gun". Hellooooooo....Machine Gun fired in Downtown!!!!!!! Oh and, who cares Tinsley was nearly murdered on the streets of downtown Indy, but lets ***** about the fact that he went out clubbing. Whatever, Indy!

Honestly, I'm to the point where I don't care if it is just Unclebuck, Mal, Magic Rat, Peck and myself in the Fieldhouse. I'm just so sick of this "Fan Outrage" that the local media is so keen on reporting.


QFT. I'd be a season ticket holder if I didn't work at night. I have to call off work just to make it to a game unless its on a Saturday or Sunday :(



I hope Tins gets a standing ovation tomorrow and is cheered loudly throughout the game. But it is probably too much to ask.............I guess.

QFT again... Probably would be too much to ask, but I hope Tinsley goes for a triple double and dominates the Bulls at Conseco and gets a standing ovation as he's walking off the court.



Yeah, this whole thing's making me defensive of this team in a way I wasn't expecting. I even fired off another email to our ticket rep to rant a bit. Basically it's the media and the fans who already bailed, that are now rushing to the door to be the loudest idiots to try to get JT burned at the stake.

You know what, up until the second to last home game, I wasn't even applauding Tinsley during player introductions. I think I'm going to root loudly for him from now on to make a small statement about this whole thing.

I've mostly mellowed at how I root for the team, but this has me fired up to start rooting hard for them again more consistently.

That says a lot coming from you. I've been reading how critical of Tinsley you've been over the last couple of seasons. It makes me wonder how many fans like you feel the same way you do now.

Unclebuck
12-11-2007, 12:41 PM
I hope Tins gets a standing ovation tomorrow and is cheered loudly throughout the game. But it is probably too much to ask.............I guess.

The sad thing is if he had gotten shot, maybe had to sit out a week or two because of it and then came back, he would have gotten a standing ovation.

Evan_The_Dude
12-11-2007, 12:47 PM
The sad thing is if he had gotten shot, maybe had to sit out a week or two because of it and then came back, he would have gotten a standing ovation.

I doubt that. I think he'd have to get shot, go into a coma and survive it and then come back to get a standing ovation. I'm not saying that to be funny, I'm dead serious.

BlueNGold
12-11-2007, 01:02 PM
I doubt that. I think he'd have to get shot, go into a coma and survive it and then come back to get a standing ovation. I'm not saying that to be funny, I'm dead serious.

Whether or not he gets a standing O', this incident should have done nothing to change anyone's opinion of Tinsley. The public has already had enough experience with him to form a solid opinion either way.

Those who support him, clearly are going to support him now. Those who don't support him just had their own reasons confirmed. Those who think he did something foolish, were correct based on Tinsley's own statements as well as JOb's.

Generally, I just want the best for him...which amounts to making better decisions.

EDIT: it could be that JOb having a stern conversation with him was one of the few times in his life he received that. Hopefully he responds positively and builds a good relationship with JOb....

Dr. Goldfoot
12-11-2007, 01:10 PM
No players were injured or suspended. The team is behind Jamaal. He's not in trouble, wont be missing time, wont have to come off the bench for awhile etc... It will be the same as it was last week. Winning basketball half the time.

BlueNGold
12-11-2007, 01:33 PM
No players were injured or suspended. The team is behind Jamaal. He's not in trouble, wont be missing time, wont have to come off the bench for awhile etc... It will be the same as it was last week. Winning basketball half the time.

Hopefully more than half. We have faced some good teams lately and came out ok. Hopefully we start scorching the rest of the league.

Trader Joe
12-11-2007, 01:38 PM
I'd just like to say that I agree with Roaming Gnome's post 100% he took the thoughts right out of my head. I am sick and tired of these people who get all their Pacers news from the 7 O'Clock talking head thinking that they are the judge and jury on Pacers players. IMO its time for people to pick a side and stay on it. YOu are either a fan of this team or you aren't. PERIOD. There's nothing else to it as far as I'm concerned. If you are a fair weather fan then you aren't a fan at all if you ask me, and I don't really care what you think about the team or its players.

Naptown_Seth
12-11-2007, 01:39 PM
I know that many of you will not agree with me, nor do I expect you to. I'm just so over these a-holes that really have no intrest in the team but offer their uninformed opinions on the team. I'm just sick of it! Screw hearing about how Indy's "fair weather" fans feel about this team, screw RTV6 and their, "Should Tinsley be punished?" poll where 82 percent of respondants said he should be.
Ditto.

If you didn't have the time of day for the team when they were beating Denver or nearly beating PHX, and by attendance figures it's clear that's most of the city, then shut your pie hole about the team now. YOU DON'T KNOW! You aren't paying full attention, don't have nearly enough information, and that makes your opinion about as useful as your opinion on how to build a better levee in New Orleans.


What I hated with Jackson, what I've hated all down the line on this, is how TPTB roll over and let far less informed, totally insincere casual fans (as in not showing up even for nice guys playing good ball, or did Dun and DG get in a scrap?) tell TPTB how to run the show. They aren't going to buy tickets even if you follow their opinion, so don't. They're knee-jerk a'holes with at best an out-of-towner's level of knowledge about the team. They are headed to their Colts Friday party to cheer on Freeney to sack that dirty Tom Brady kid ("wait, Dwight is out, how did I not know that")

Elgin56
12-11-2007, 01:58 PM
I have intentionaly stayed away from bashing Tins, but with several of you so called "real Pacer fans" bashing what you call "Piehole casual fans", I feel obligated to make a comment or two. Did Tins do anything legally wrong? NO, however that is no reason to fluff off his propensity to put himself, and most improtantly the Pacers in a bad situation. It is you fans who continue to make exuses for first Jackson and now Tinsley, that have allowed the malcontents on this team to feel that they can do as they damn well please, because the "real fans" will support me and my actions no matter what.

ONe poster stated that he is "pissed" at the casual fan or any fan to even have the nads to condemn Tinsley for the bad PR he has bestowed on the Pacer organization, well I say I am pissed at the so called "real fans" for allowing this circus atmosphere to exist.

BTW, "real fans", the Pacers don't eixst in a vacuum soley for your pleasure, and public opinion will ace your hardcore opinion that "Tins did nothing wrong", everytime.

BruceLeeroy
12-11-2007, 02:41 PM
Ya I stop listening when I hear people start claiming that there the "real fans" just because someone has a different opinion than theirs.

Roaming Gnome
12-11-2007, 03:38 PM
I'm not calling anyone on how much of a fan they are, especially you, Elgin.

I'm just saying that this incident isn't going to shake how I feel about Tinsley, or the team one bit. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I feel that Tinsley is being wronged with the amount of local scrutiny he is taking over nearly being murdered in the streets of downtown with a "Machine Gun"! I know that there is debate on whether Jamaal has brought this upon himself, but I have a hard time buying into that.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-11-2007, 03:46 PM
You guys are taking the term "real fans" too seriously. Everyone knows you are real fans. They're talking about the people who come out of the woodwork and use an incident like this to spout off about how bad everything is. They aren't attacking those with different opinions. They're attacking those with opinions based on only part of the story, racially motivated ( believe you me check out the Indianapolis Star board and walk away with a different point of view) or people who spend 99% of their time making jokes in the morning on radio and are now suddenly the resident NBA experts. I see their use of the term "real fans" and know exactly what they're talking about.

Naptown_Seth
12-11-2007, 03:55 PM
Thank you Goldfoot.

Not only that, but I assume no one tuned me out since I didn't use the term "real fans". In fact I gave a pretty specific description of my intended target.

If you didn't have the time of day for the team when they were beating Denver or nearly beating PHX, and by attendance figures it's clear that's most of the city, then shut your pie hole about the team now.
I stand by that. If you didn't care last week then STFU now. You don't get to cherry pick your interest or opinion, not if I'm supposed to take you seriously.

What, the FED goes to ME to comment on interest rate increases when they need an expert? "And now here's a guy that just heard some of this story and is pretty PO'd, let's listen to his policy solutions which he's spent all of 10 minutes formulating using his 101 Econ background as guidance."

Isaac
12-11-2007, 05:08 PM
I just bought tickets to go to the game on wednesday. I'm going to be louder then ever for Jamaal.

NorCal_Pacerfan
12-11-2007, 06:43 PM
Wow interesting posts, and a solid rebuttal Dr. Goldfoot.

As for how Tins and the team responds tonight, I can only hope that they aren't phased by this. I don't think the team itself will be, but it's going to hinge on Tins. If he comes out and is playing as well has he has the past few game, I'll be impressed. Getting shot at with an AK-47 is serious business. Hopefully he's running ice water in those veins. If he plays like hell then of course peeps will blame the shooting. Should be interesting tonight. I hope we crush the Cavs.

As for the fairweather fans, or the haters on the bandwagon again, I don't care about them but I feel for the Pacers organization who are losing money because of this stuff.

Oh and Tinsley, just a little suggestion. Next time you're out and about in the early AM with your entourage, take a nice suv or some sort of people's car. Seriously, a Rolls isn't necessary. No need to call even more attention to yourself.

Alright let's get back to ballin'

Oneal07
12-11-2007, 07:10 PM
Do they really need adversity? I think the successes this franchise have had both in the past and recently come from stability and consistency. This season is the first time in awhile that these guys seems to have a spring in their step and enjoying the game of basketball, which injuries, aside, I think comes from the lack of outside drama and going into camp together as a team. For everyone involved with this franchise from the fans to the players and on up, the last thing we need is "adversity" beyond what the next opponent gives us. What we need is to go out there and string some wins together, putting as much space between us and all this "adversity".

I hope you are right that they come out and play with fire, but not using this type of event as the fuel. They were playing some pretty damn good basketball before it happened, that's all I need.


I see what your saying, and I agree!!! Maybe adversity wasn't the best word. But I think your gonna see an even more motivated Tinsley tonight. I remember reading something a few weeks back when Tinsley said he doesn't take bball for granted. I think this whole vision of basketball and life as a whole. will open even more. And I think it will benefit both Tins and the rest of the team. Also making Tinsley a better/smarter person!!!

Evan_The_Dude
12-11-2007, 07:25 PM
Oh and Tinsley, just a little suggestion. Next time you're out and about in the early AM with your entourage, take a nice suv or some sort of people's car. Seriously, a Rolls isn't necessary. No need to call even more attention to yourself.

I know where you're coming from, but that's not fair. A Rolls Royce is the perfect car to take to a spot like Cloud 9. That's what it's for, show. They were enjoying a night on the town, and that's what the Rolls Royce is all about. It's not a cross country road trip car. You spend that kind of money on a car like that, it damn better be seen. Sorry, car guy talking here.

It's not fair to say he should leave his Rolls at home. This is still America right? Why should he let a couple punks decide what kind of car he drives that day? Drive what the hell you want, just be careful about when and how you do it.

NorCal_Pacerfan
12-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Evan, I agree with you from an idealistic stand point. Idealism is great but it's not always practical. If I were in his shoes, I'd prob make a different choice.

BruceLeeroy
12-11-2007, 11:44 PM
I'm not calling anyone on how much of a fan they are, especially you, Elgin.

I'm just saying that this incident isn't going to shake how I feel about Tinsley, or the team one bit. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I feel that Tinsley is being wronged with the amount of local scrutiny he is taking over nearly being murdered in the streets of downtown with a "Machine Gun"! I know that there is debate on whether Jamaal has brought this upon himself, but I have a hard time buying into that.

Ok that's fair. I didn't understand the comment about you not caring if anyone but you and your friends were at the fieldhouse. My bad, I misunderstood you.

I guess I'm just skeptical about Jamaal and his friends involvement in this high speed gun battle through town, and I'm a little confused as to why considering his history you and others would totally absolve him from any blame. He at the very least made a bad decision. Obie and Larry both said so. Remember dude was with a wanted drug dealer, and his brother and someone chased these guys through downtown like cowboys firing back so I wouldn't say he was with angels. What makes you so sure him or one his crew didn't tick these crazy bums off somehow? It happened before with Dino and Fingers why not this time?

I'm glad no one was killed and it does bother me that side of town has gone to ****, but I'm just not buying the story we've heard so far. If we were talking about JO or DH or any other Pacer I probably would.

I still support him to the fullest though. As long as he's on the Pacers I will.

Trader Joe
12-12-2007, 12:05 AM
Evan, I agree with you from an idealistic stand point. Idealism is great but it's not always practical. If I were in his shoes, I'd prob make a different choice.

Can you truely say that though? Maybe you're not into cars or whatever, but if you owned a Rolls Royce you are telling me you wouldn't take it on the town where you were going clubbing or to a concert? I can't believe that for a second. Also anyone that thinks this is the only Rolls Royce, Bentley, BMW 7 series type car that these guys saw that night you are flat out wrong. I can tell you that from living in central Indiana. Hardly a day went by when I would be driving around at night at home when I didn't go by at least three or four cars with equal or higher price tags.

In fact I'd be willing to bet decent money that Tinsley's Rolls wasn't the only six figure car parked in the Cloud 9 lot.

NorCal_Pacerfan
12-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Evan, in all fairness, I can't honestly say what I'd do because I'm not a multi-millionaire athlete with super nice cars! I wouldn't mind having that sort of choice to make though LOL. (and yes I love cars, just don't have the resources to indulge. )

Elgin56
12-12-2007, 08:44 AM
I'm not calling anyone on how much of a fan they are, especially you, Elgin.

I'm just saying that this incident isn't going to shake how I feel about Tinsley, or the team one bit. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I feel that Tinsley is being wronged with the amount of local scrutiny he is taking over nearly being murdered in the streets of downtown with a "Machine Gun"! I know that there is debate on whether Jamaal has brought this upon himself, but I have a hard time buying into that.


No problem, I was just letting off some steam.

Roaming Gnome
12-12-2007, 10:25 AM
Ok that's fair. I didn't understand the comment about you not caring if anyone but you and your friends were at the fieldhouse. My bad, I misunderstood you.

I guess I'm just skeptical about Jamaal and his friends involvement in this high speed gun battle through town, and I'm a little confused as to why considering his history you and others would totally absolve him from any blame.

As I mentioned before...Nothing Tinsley could have done would justify him being followed to be shot at drive by style in downtown. He is a victim in my eyes and nothing that these gun firing idiots could say would change that. Also, I find it hard to believe Jamaal is going to take part in some illeagal activities while the team's trainer is in tow.



He at the very least made a bad decision. Obie and Larry both said so.
Look, anytime alcohol is involved that late at night, the odds of something jacked up will increase no matter where you are or who you are. Was it a bad decision that he went to a night club. Most night clubs don't even really get going till after 11pm, so it didn't suprise me that they decided to go there after the fight. I haven't really mentioned my opinion on what Larry and Obie said and the statement by Tinsley, but I'm willing to speculate that a lot of it was damage control or an olive branch to the :mob:. Just because Bird and Obie said it, doesn't make it so, in my opinion.



Remember dude was with a wanted drug dealer, and his brother and someone chased these guys through downtown like cowboys firing back so I wouldn't say he was with angels. What makes you so sure him or one his crew didn't tick these crazy bums off somehow? It happened before with Dino and Fingers why not this time?

I'm glad no one was killed and it does bother me that side of town has gone to ****, but I'm just not buying the story we've heard so far. If we were talking about JO or DH or any other Pacer I probably would.

I still support him to the fullest though. As long as he's on the Pacers I will.

What is Jamaal suppose to do, "Before we go out..I need you guys to line up for back ground checks and drug test!" I'm done here. I have my opinion, and you have yours. We just have different perspectives on this situation.

bellisimo
12-12-2007, 10:31 AM
Ok that's fair. I didn't understand the comment about you not caring if anyone but you and your friends were at the fieldhouse. My bad, I misunderstood you.

I guess I'm just skeptical about Jamaal and his friends involvement in this high speed gun battle through town, and I'm a little confused as to why considering his history you and others would totally absolve him from any blame. He at the very least made a bad decision. Obie and Larry both said so. Remember dude was with a wanted drug dealer, and his brother and someone chased these guys through downtown like cowboys firing back so I wouldn't say he was with angels. What makes you so sure him or one his crew didn't tick these crazy bums off somehow? It happened before with Dino and Fingers why not this time?

I'm glad no one was killed and it does bother me that side of town has gone to ****, but I'm just not buying the story we've heard so far. If we were talking about JO or DH or any other Pacer I probably would.

I still support him to the fullest though. As long as he's on the Pacers I will.


you've never experienced or seen people pick on others just cause they feel like it...or that they could cause they have some heat wrapped around their waist?

I've seen too many similar incidents happen in my life to know that there is a good chance the people who got were pickin' on JT and crew pretty much struck a cord and then someone else decided to retaliate *most likely verbally* which would then turn into a cat-n-mouse game of chasing...

BruceLeeroy
12-12-2007, 03:50 PM
you've never experienced or seen people pick on others just cause they feel like it...or that they could cause they have some heat wrapped around their waist?

I've seen too many similar incidents happen in my life to know that there is a good chance the people who got were pickin' on JT and crew pretty much struck a cord and then someone else decided to retaliate *most likely verbally* which would then turn into a cat-n-mouse game of chasing...

I understand there are those kinds of people, but my point is Jamaal and whomever he's with at the time seem to find these situations more than most. That is why I said if it was anyone else I'd believe their story. I agree with your take on what happened though. IMO Tinsley and crew must have done something at some time to **** these guys off. Does that mean he deserved to be chased through the city with an AK-47? Of course not but that is what happened and it put a lot of people in danger.

He needs to keep him self out of these situations for his sake and the teams.

Ok.....that's my last post on this topic. LET'S PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elgin56
12-12-2007, 10:19 PM
It's groundhog day all over again, only this time it is Tinsley instead of Jackson.

Vince Neil
12-13-2007, 08:50 AM
How did the crowd react to Tinsley last night?

Hicks
12-13-2007, 12:35 PM
How did the crowd react to Tinsley last night?

He would have gotten a standing O from me if I'd been there. I'm curious as to how the (by the looks on TV) 4,000 fans reacted.

NapTonius Monk
12-13-2007, 01:24 PM
Channel 8 is reporting that there's new info contradicting the original reporting of this incident. Here's the link:

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7490138

JayRedd
12-13-2007, 01:42 PM
Not only that, but I assume no one tuned me out since I didn't use the term "real fans".

I did.

Real fans don't use pictures of former First Ladies as their avatar.

Trader Joe
12-13-2007, 01:47 PM
"I think Jamaal Tinsley needs to do a little soul searching he needs to you know bring himself up a little bit and get away from that negative energy he's going around him," said Pacers fan Robert Sims.



"I don't think all of them are setting a good example to the young children of Indianapolis and its a shame," said season ticket holder, Brenda Foreman.

Where do they find these people?

First guy probably smokes more weed than everyone in the NBA combined and the woman needs a new flash that these guys aren't paid to be role models.

Elgin56
12-13-2007, 02:17 PM
He would have gotten a standing O from me if I'd been there. I'm curious as to how the (by the looks on TV) 4,000 fans reacted.


Mal, I hope with a few more years under your belt and maybe a few children of your own, you would not be so cavalier about Pacer player's conduct. IMHO

Elgin56
12-13-2007, 02:21 PM
Where do they find these people?

First guy probably smokes more weed than everyone in the NBA combined and the woman needs a new flash that these guys aren't paid to be role models.

Where do they find these people?

season ticket holder, Brenda Foreman


Does she not deserve to have an opinion?

BTW, fans who have a differing view of Tins than you aren't all nut cases who smoke weed.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-13-2007, 02:36 PM
Mal, I hope with a few more years under your belt and maybe a few children of your own, you would not be so cavalier about Pacer player's conduct. IMHO


I still just don't see why it matters.

Trader Joe
12-13-2007, 03:29 PM
Mal, I hope with a few more years under your belt and maybe a few children of your own, you would not be so cavalier about Pacer player's conduct. IMHO

All I can really say about this is, bah. His opinion is far from cavalier.

Trader Joe
12-13-2007, 03:32 PM
Where do they find these people?

season ticket holder, Brenda Foreman


Does she not deserve to have an opinion?

BTW, fans who have a differing view of Tins than you aren't all nut cases who smoke weed.

No, you're right. Tinsley totally needs to get rid of his bad energy and cleanse his soul or whatever.

What I meant by my comment is how come they never use quotes from someone supporting Tinsley? There are obviously people who support Jamaal how come we never see quotes from them? This is a legit complaint. Also Tinsley may not be a perfect role model, but hes far from a bad one. Talk about a guy who has had a ridiculous amount of events stacked against him and has still been extremely successful. Anyone who actually KNOWS Jamaal's background would see a guy who has overcome quite a bit to get where he is.

BTW, fans who have a differing opinion than you aren't victims of their age or how many children they have.

Hicks
12-13-2007, 05:23 PM
Mal, I hope with a few more years under your belt and maybe a few children of your own, you would not be so cavalier about Pacer player's conduct. IMHO

Do you realize how badly I could interpret this post? It's especially disappointing considering that you yourself have had issues with what other posters said at your expense in the past.

Roaming Gnome
12-13-2007, 06:14 PM
The article in the Star said he was boo'ed at the beginning but was applauded at the end of the game.

As for Elgin's comments to Mal, I find them rather insulting and inconsiderate since Mal is just stating how he feels about supporting Jamaal and doesn't need to be torn down for his opinion or support.

Elgin, we all understand where your opinion and thoughts lie on the situation and I personally respect that eventhough I disagree with you, but saying that Mal's age and family status is effecting how he should feel is WRONG!!!

As far as my own stance on the situation, I'm starting to agree that "if" Jamaal went in flaunting his fame and fortune...then he could have excercised better judgement considering the lack of security that was present. Primarily, his own. Granted, lack of judgement doesn't lead me to have the thought of...he had it comming to him, or he is to blame for nearly being MURDERED in downtown.

Elgin56
12-13-2007, 08:31 PM
The article in the Star said he was boo'ed at the beginning but was applauded at the end of the game.

As for Elgin's comments to Mal, I find them rather insulting and inconsiderate since Mal is just stating how he feels about supporting Jamaal and doesn't need to be torn down for his opinion or support.

Elgin, we all understand where your opinion and thoughts lie on the situation and I personally respect that eventhough I disagree with you, but saying that Mal's age and family status is effecting how he should feel is WRONG!!!

As far as my own stance on the situation, I'm starting to agree that "if" Jamaal went in flaunting his fame and fortune...then he could have excercised better judgement considering the lack of security that was present. Primarily, his own. Granted, lack of judgement doesn't lead me to have the thought of...he had it comming to him, or he is to blame for nearly being MURDERED in downtown.


Gnome, I have never stated that I blame Tins for being shot at and possibly murdered. I wish him no ill will, in fact my opinion of him was slowly changing until this latest incident. His latest off court incident can not and should not be viewed as being out of the norm for him. He does have a history of being in the wrong place and the wrong time and that is a fact. If you don't want to see that and give him a pat on the back for just wanting to have fun as he stated than that is on you. How much do you want the Pacer's stature suffer? You have stated that you don't care if you and a few of your close freinds on this board are the only one's attending the games, well it looks as if you may get your wish. Attendance is dropping like a rock so be happy in the extra elbow room.

Elgin56
12-13-2007, 08:59 PM
Do you realize how badly I could interpret this post? It's especially disappointing considering that you yourself have had issues with what other posters said at your expense in the past.


Mal, I in no way meant to offend you. I agree that my post may have been poorly worded but I don't believe what I was trying to say is wrong. I am older and have four grown children and seven grandchildren and I view things differently than most people your age. You are willing to give Tins another chance and support him, I am not. I sincerely believe it is time for Tinsley to go, but that's just one old man's opinion.

I am sorry if I offended you in any way. You have been very fair to me and I appreciate that a great deal.

Trader Joe
12-13-2007, 09:48 PM
Damn Elgin seven grandkids. I would have pegged you in your mid 40s at the latest.

BlueNGold
12-13-2007, 10:08 PM
Too funny.

I was young'n too and had an entirely different set of morals and views on life and how people should act.

The truth is, those things will change for you too....even if you won't admit it. lol.