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OakMoses
12-05-2007, 01:42 PM
Apparently last night was the first DNP-CD of Troy's career.

Thoughts?

CableKC
12-05-2007, 01:51 PM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.......Skinner, Amare or whoever Murphy was guarding probably would have had a career night against him.

This makes me wonder about the comments that JO'B made a couple of days ago about having a open-door policy and playing time:


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...TS04/712030379

"The bottom line is our guys know that my door is open from a standpoint of playing time and talking to them about it," O'Brien said. "You take one lineup and there's an enormous difference. If he wants to find out why, I'd be happy to explain it to him."

and whether any of it is geared directly or indirectly at certain players...if not a particular player...like Murphy. I'm probably reading more into it then not.....but it seems odd that a player ( Murphy ) that JO'B has mentioned several times would be in the Starting lineup would get a DNP.

Hopefully, Murphy will work on whatever pushed him into JO'Bs doghouse so that he can start playing minutes again.

Unclebuck
12-05-2007, 02:02 PM
He just isn't very good

OakMoses
12-05-2007, 02:02 PM
O'Brien has shown a tendency to like to play smaller lineups against teams that can't punish us for it (Denver, Phoenix). I'm sure that was part of the reason for Murphy's lack of PT. I'm sure part of it was to send a message also.

I'm just wondering if he plays at all once Ike comes back.

Unclebuck
12-05-2007, 02:47 PM
O'Brien has shown a tendency to like to play smaller lineups against teams that can't punish us for it (Denver, Phoenix). I'm sure that was part of the reason for Murphy's lack of PT. I'm sure part of it was to send a message also.

I'm just wondering if he plays at all once Ike comes back.

I don't consider Williams any smaller than Troy Murphy. The problem with Troy is he doesn't fit into either a big lineup (teaming him with Harrison, Jeff or JO) doesn't give us a imposing frontline. Nor does he fit into a smaller lineup, because he isn't quick. He isn't big and strong nor is he small and quick.

He's small and slow. - Not a good combo.

He can shoot - but not as well as Williams. He's adecent rebounder, but not nearly as good as Jeff. Murphy does have experience over Wiiliams, Ike and david, but not over Jeff.

I really don't see any reason to play him. And that is now when Ike is still out.

aceace
12-05-2007, 03:37 PM
He just isn't very goodI disagree somewhat. I think he is much better than what he is playing. If you meant that he isn't very good right now or over the last 4-5 games your right. His defense and rebounding has been terrible. He had a 20-10 game this year. Harrison has been better than him this year. That is who is stealing his minutes. The foul called on Harrison and the T was just horrible last night.

d_c
12-05-2007, 03:37 PM
I don't consider Williams any smaller than Troy Murphy. The problem with Troy is he doesn't fit into either a big lineup (teaming him with Harrison, Jeff or JO) doesn't give us a imposing frontline. Nor does he fit into a smaller lineup, because he isn't quick. He isn't big and strong nor is he small and quick.

He's small and slow. - Not a good combo.

He can shoot - but not as well as Williams. He's adecent rebounder, but not nearly as good as Jeff. Murphy does have experience over Wiiliams, Ike and david, but not over Jeff.

I really don't see any reason to play him. And that is now when Ike is still out.

That pretty much says it. Murphy is a contradiction of sorts.

Murphy looks big, but he doesn't exactly play big. He can't punish a smaller player on the block and he's not as mobile as he once was, so it's not like he's going to outquick anyone. Truth is, there are a lot of small forwards in the league who could probably do a better job of playing PF than Murphy.

And he's a good shooter (or has a reputation as such)......except on those poor shooting 3-11 FG nights, which is becoming quite a common occurence.

He's also a very hard worker and a gymrat.....and yet he's STILL out of shape.

I'll say it again: Murphy = white Zach Randolph without the low post game and bad attitude/off the court problems.

d_c
12-05-2007, 03:41 PM
Hopefully, Murphy will work on whatever pushed him into JO'Bs doghouse so that he can start playing minutes again.

Basically, you're asking Murphy to grow longer arms, become a better athlete and cut his body fat in half.

odeez
12-05-2007, 04:00 PM
MURPH has skills, but at this point on this team he is going to be odd man out. I think you have to play IKE over him, plus Shawne needs mins. MURPH should be part of any upcoming trade. He has value to some team out needing some rebounding and a player that can shoot.

d_c
12-05-2007, 04:06 PM
MURPH has skills, but at this point on this team he is going to be odd man out. I think you have to play IKE over him, plus Shawne needs mins. MURPH should be part of any upcoming trade. He has value to some team out needing some rebounding and a player that can shoot.

He's a two trick pony. He's a streaky shooter and he can chase down rebounds. That's about it. If I'm missing any other skills he has, someone point it out.

Including this year, Murphy's owed about $42M over 4 years. Could he help a team in the right role? Sure. Will teams (who don't like paying the luxury tax) look for cheaper alternatives? You better believe they will.

JayRedd
12-05-2007, 04:10 PM
He's a two trick pony. He's a streaky shooter and he can chase down rebounds. That's about it. If I'm missing any other skills he has, someone point it out.

He does a good Jim Halpert impression.

purdue101
12-05-2007, 04:38 PM
i've been saying for months that he needs to be moved......i think i even started a thread about it.

the ideal situation would be to acquire an expiring contract for him. we could use the money to reup david and extend DG & ike this summer. kwame brown comes to mind.....i could see the lakers having interest and they are one of the only teams willing to pay that type of contract.

if not an expiring this year, then something coming up in the summer of 2009 when danny and ike come off their rookie deals. malik rose, szerbiak, & lafrentz are a few names that come to mind.

purdue101
12-05-2007, 04:39 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=34491

Anthem
12-05-2007, 04:39 PM
And people gave me crap for saying Murphy was overpaid.

Anthem
12-05-2007, 04:41 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=34491
Oh yeah, no kidding.

Still waiting for the retraction on this post (http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=614602&postcount=45) in that thread...

Anybody here that thinks Baby Al would have gotten a DNP-CD last night?

d_c
12-05-2007, 05:05 PM
i've been saying for months that he needs to be moved......i think i even started a thread about it.

the ideal situation would be to acquire an expiring contract for him. we could use the money to reup david and extend DG & ike this summer. kwame brown comes to mind.....i could see the lakers having interest and they are one of the only teams willing to pay that type of contract.

if not an expiring this year, then something coming up in the summer of 2009 when danny and ike come off their rookie deals. malik rose, szerbiak, & lafrentz are a few names that come to mind.

Jerry Buss and the Lakers don't want to pay the luxury tax. Just as you want to clear room for Granger and Ike, the Lakers want to clear enough room to sign Bynum (or the high priced superstar Bynum could fetch in a trade).

Replace Kwame's expiring deal with Murphy $10M, and the Lakers will be paying the tax next year. I'm sure the Lakers would consider going into luxury tax territory for Jason Kidd, but I'm not so sure they'd do it for Troy Murphy.

Even the Knicks are showing a bit more fiscal restraint than they used to. And they have a better version of Murphy in David Lee, who himself will be asking for a big contract soon. Why pay nearly $40M for a poor man's David Lee when you already have the real thing who's still on a rookie deal?

Seattle is a rebulding team. We're talking straight from the ground up building around a guy who still hasn't turned 19 years old. They have no need for a middling, middle-aged player like Murphy with that kind of deal, especially when they already have younger, cheaper, better players at the PF position (Wilcox and Collison). Portland might consider Murphy if you're willing to take on Darius Miles.

If you're looking to unload Muphy for a short contract, be prepared to sweeten that deal with at least a draft pick or a young player like Shawne Williams (and no, David Harrison doesn't count).

OakMoses
12-05-2007, 05:28 PM
Jerry Buss and the Lakers don't want to pay the luxury tax. Just as you want to clear room for Granger and Ike, the Lakers want to clear enough room to sign Bynum (or the high priced superstar Bynum could fetch in a trade).

Replace Kwame's expiring deal with Murphy $10M, and the Lakers will be paying the tax next year. I'm sure the Lakers would consider going into luxury tax territory for Jason Kidd, but I'm not so sure they'd do it for Troy Murphy.

Even the Knicks are showing a bit more fiscal restraint than they used to. And they have a better version of Murphy in David Lee, who himself will be asking for a big contract soon. Why pay nearly $40M for a poor man's David Lee when you already have the real thing who's still on a rookie deal?

Seattle is a rebulding team. We're talking straight from the ground up building around a guy who still hasn't turned 19 years old. They have no need for a middling, middle-aged player like Murphy with that kind of deal, especially when they already have younger, cheaper, better players at the PF position (Wilcox and Collison). Portland might consider Murphy if you're willing to take on Darius Miles.

If you're looking to unload Muphy for a short contract, be prepared to sweeten that deal with at least a draft pick or a young player like Shawne Williams (and no, David Harrison doesn't count).

So what you're saying is that Murphy's going to be here for the duration. I'm inclined to agree.

The silver lining is that we just may be able to trade his $12 million expiring contract for a good player in 2010/2011.

I don't think Murphy is a terrible player. If you cut his contract in half, we'd have absolutely no problem moving him.

Anthem
12-05-2007, 05:33 PM
If you're looking to unload Muphy for a short contract, be prepared to sweeten that deal with at least a draft pick or a young player like Shawne Williams (and no, David Harrison doesn't count).
Somebody like Ike. After all, that was the only reason we traded Al for him.

The sad truth is that the league is running out of bad contracts. Used to be every team had a Murphy-like contract on its roster, but no longer. That's good for the league, but bad for the Pacers.

We're likely stuck with Murphy for the next four years.

Roaming Gnome
12-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Apparently last night was the first DNP-CD of Troy's career.

Thoughts?

Sounds like he better get use to it...

Troy Murphy meet Glen Robinson, Glen Robinson meet Troy Murphy! You may ask what those two have in common, well G. Robinson was the last high paid stiff not able to crack Obie's rotation when he was in Philadelphia. Looks like Troy is following in Big Dogs "pawprints"!

Anthem
12-05-2007, 06:33 PM
Sounds like he better get use to it...

Troy Murphy meet Glen Robinson, Glen Robinson meet Troy Murphy! You may ask what those two have in common, well G. Robinson was the last high paid stiff not able to crack Obie's rotation when he was in Philadelphia. Looks like Troy is following in Big Dogs footprints!
And Ike's not even back yet.

I called it, but it still makes me sad. This was supposed to be perfect for Murphy's career... a coach who likes big men to shoot the 3. If he can't play for Obie, there's no way anybody else takes him.

Moses
12-05-2007, 07:04 PM
Basically, you're asking Murphy to grow longer arms, become a better athlete and cut his body fat in half.
All things that can easily be coached. :p

NuffSaid
12-05-2007, 07:21 PM
IMO, Murphy received a DNP-CD because:

1) he lacks the ability to play strong interior defense

2) his shot has been very inconsistent of late

3) he prefers to play along the perimeter and for a so-called "big" that's just not acceptable

The odd thing is initially JOB was willing to give Murphy a starting role at PF because the assumption was that JO would play at Center and Murphy could shag out along the perimeter to clear space underneath to allow JO to work. It was a good strategy as long as JO was in top form and Murphy was draining 3's. But Murphy wasn't draining 3's and JO, though he played decent at less than 75% health, wasn't able to be that 20/10 player due to his knee/leg injury. But now that JO's back and Harrison and Foster has shown improvements (or in Foster's case he's been far more consistent in his play/contributions on the floor), it made sense (to me atleast) to oust Murphy and sub in Williams behind JO at PF and let Foster and Harrison take the lion's share of minutes at Center moving in JO as necessary for rotation purposes until the right mix of players could be on the floor.

I'd never thought we'd every have the problem we now face w/too many bigs, but with Williams and Harrison improving, Ike due to return within the next 2 weeks and JO seemingly back 90-100% healthy, Murphy now becomes the odd man out.

avoidingtheclowns
12-05-2007, 07:49 PM
IMO, Murphy received a DNP-CD because:

1) he lacks the ability to play strong interior defense

2) his shot has been very inconsistent of late

3) he prefers to play along the perimeter and for a so-called "big" that's just not acceptable

did you just suggest that obrien may have benched troy for not liking 3pt shooting big?

d_c
12-05-2007, 08:16 PM
Somebody like Ike. After all, that was the only reason we traded Al for him.

The sad truth is that the league is running out of bad contracts. Used to be every team had a Murphy-like contract on its roster, but no longer. That's good for the league, but bad for the Pacers.

We're likely stuck with Murphy for the next four years.

Like you said, Murphy can be traded for something of value under the right circumstances. The Warriors traded him less than a year ago, afterall.

But consider what they had to do to unload him: They had to attach an asset which was the previous year's lottery pick (Ike) and they had to take back what was considered a piece of poison (Stephen Jackson).

Going by that, you'd have to come up with scenarios where you package either Ike or Shawne Williams along with Murphy and you'd probably be looking to get back the contract of a player another team is looking to unload along with an asset that could help you (like a PG).

Pacerized
12-05-2007, 10:03 PM
We always seem to have a big injured, but if we ever get them all healthy Murphy had better get used to the dnp by his name. With the odds of that being thin, I guess Murphy will have plenty of chances to earn playing time. Ike most likely won't be back to form until late Jan. at best. With Harrison, Ike, and Shawne improving I'd say Murphy falls to the 6th. spot on the 4/5 rotation.

Anthem
12-05-2007, 10:29 PM
Like you said, Murphy can be traded for something of value under the right circumstances. The Warriors traded him less than a year ago, afterall.

But consider what they had to do to unload him: They had to attach an asset which was the previous year's lottery pick (Ike) and they had to take back what was considered a piece of poison (Stephen Jackson).
Well, Jack for Dun was considered to be a 1-for-1 trade, and it was then expanded to include Ike/Murphy for Al. So we probably wouldn't have to take back poison, but we would have to include Shawne or Ike.

BlueNGold
12-05-2007, 10:31 PM
No, Murph is not good and should never be considered a starter. Yes, Foster is a much better player and it became obvious who the better player was pretty quickly. Yes, Troy has a big fat contract that the Simons will need to eat...and that will hinder development of this team.

...and yes, Rasheed Wallace's mother could beat Troy with a stick in the post.

However, he does make a decent backup as long as Dunleavy is not on the floor at the same time. He is a good enough rebounder and scorer to be effective in spurts of 5 or 10 minutes a game IMO. Stamina seems to be an issue with him, so perhaps that's the best use to make of his abilities. Otherwise, we need to hand over talent to get out of the contract. I say sit his high paid booty on the bench and use him sparingly.

McKeyFan
12-05-2007, 10:51 PM
What we really need is another point guard.

I just did the trade checker and Murphy for Tony Parker works straight up!






Just kidding. And I didn't do the trade checker.

:D

dohman
12-05-2007, 11:06 PM
I wonder if there is a PG out there that is not fitting in with his current team quite so well. We need a good backup PG more than anything in the world right now.

d_c
12-05-2007, 11:11 PM
I wonder if there is a PG out there that is not fitting in with his current team quite so well. We need a good backup PG more than anything in the world right now.

Carlos Arroyo.

He's been a poor fit in slow tempo offenses for years now, though I haven't bothered to see how he's fitting in under SVG in Orlando. But with what they're already paying Dwight and Rashard, they can't handle Murphy's salary.

Hicks
12-05-2007, 11:15 PM
Carlos wouldn't offend me in general, but then again isn't he also a prima donna in his own right? Do we want to bring that in?

Doddage
12-06-2007, 01:35 AM
Carlos Arroyo = no

wintermute
12-06-2007, 01:53 AM
i'd trade murphy for just about anything.

arroyo has an expiring contract remember, so there's not much risk in trying him out for half a season.

troy for arroyo and battie? battie is out for the season and has 2 more years on his contract, but it's too much to expect orlando to send us expirings only for troy

Young
12-06-2007, 02:09 AM
Troy can play.

He is a good player. Defiantly not perfect but he can shoot, and rebound.

He is slow. As pointed out it is a huge negative.

However Murphy can't defend. I don't care if your tall, short, slow, fast you can either defend or you can't. Murphy has shown that he can't.

Hopefully Murphy picks it up. I don't see any way we can get rid of his contract so we are likely stuck with him.

Like I said I really hope that Troy can step up and help this team win games.

I really think that the team is better without Troy. As I like our other opitions and I feel we play better as a team overall without Troy. However his contract is hard to sell to teams and so we might as well get use to seeing Troy where a Pacers jersey.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-06-2007, 03:47 AM
There are plenty of bad contracts out there.

Troy Murphy 9.2, 10.1, 11.0 & 12.0

Philly has:
Sam Dalembert 9.7, 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2

New York has:
Quentin Richardson 8.1, 8.8 & 9.4

Toronto has:
Radoslav Nestrovic 7.8 & 8.4

Chicago has:
Ben Wallace 15.5, 14.5 & 14.0

Cleveland has:
Larry Hughes 12.0, 12.8 & 13.7

Milwaukee has:
Bobby Simmons 9.3, 9.9 & 10.6

Miami has:
Mark Blount 6.7, 7.4 & 7.9

Dallas has:
Erick Dampier 8.6, 9.6, 10.1 &13.1

Denver has:
Nene 8.8, 9.7, 10.5, 11.4 & 11.6

Portland has:
Raef Lafrentz 11.8 & 12.7

Seattle has:
Wally 12.0 & 13.0

Sacramento has:
Brad Miller 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2


The point is there are a number of players not earning their paychecks. There are even more mid-level guys like Brian Cardinal, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Nazr Mohammed, Juwan Howard & Speedy Claxton. The Pacers could probably find a taker for a 27 year old upstanding 6-11 Notre Dame grad with career averages of 11 & 8 who shoots the three at a 36% clip.

Anthem
12-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Sacramento has:
Brad Miller 10.5, 11.4 & 12.2
If Larry was able to trade Trophy for Brad Miller (even today's brad miller) I would dance a jig, record it, and put it on youtube.

EDIT: Ok, working through the list more systematically: Ben Wallace is no way. Over my dead body. Other than that, I'd make most of these trades. But the other teams wouldn't. Dalembert? Dampier? Nene? Miller? These guys are pipe dreams. Rasho and Blount give more production for less money, those teams aren't trading for Murphy. Portland's not trading Raef for a longer contract, since they need the money. Ditto Seattle and Wally.

That leaves Q-Rich, Larry Hughes, and Bobby Simmons. I'd happily trade Murphy for any of those guys, but I can't imagine that the other teams would unless we included some bait.

McClintic Sphere
12-06-2007, 10:37 AM
Didn't I read that Bird had urged Murphy to bulk up in the offseason so that he could be more physical? It seems that has backfired. I don't know if it's Murphy's fault if they told him to get bigger and now he's in no man's land playingwise.

Anthem
12-06-2007, 10:50 AM
I don't know if it's Murphy's fault if they told him to get bigger and now he's in no man's land playingwise.
If Murphy was 15 pounds lighter and a step quicker, I'd still rather David/Shawne/Ike get his minutes.

McClintic Sphere
12-06-2007, 10:55 AM
If Murphy was 15 pounds lighter and a step quicker, I'd still rather David/Shawne/Ike get his minutes.

Yeah, except then maybe he would still be tradeable.

Anthem
12-06-2007, 12:23 PM
Yeah, except then maybe he would be tradeable.
Maybe... or maybe less so. Not a lot of teams looking for underweight big men.

OakMoses
12-06-2007, 12:49 PM
I see Portland and Atlanta as trade possibilities. Both are young teams, but both are trying to shift from rebuild mode to "win now" mode. There are minutes available for Murphy on both teams, and both would be very happy about his character. Both also have a bad contract or two to get rid of: Darius Miles, Raef LaFrentz, Speedy Claxton.

I wonder if Portland would consider Murphy for Miles (whom I hope we would buy out) and Sergio Rodriguez or Petteri Koponnen.

Atlanta could give us Speedy Claxton (backup PG) and Lorenzen Wright (expiring contract).

Anthem
12-06-2007, 12:52 PM
I see Portland and Atlanta as trade possibilities. Both are young teams, but both are trying to shift from rebuild mode to "win now" mode. There are minutes available for Murphy on both teams, and both would be very happy about his character. Both also have a bad contract or two to get rid of: Darius Miles, Raef LaFrentz, Speedy Claxton.
Raef's contract is better than Murphy's. Taking Murph makes their situation worse.


I wonder if Portland would consider Murphy for Miles (whom I hope we would buy out) and Sergio Rodriguez or Petteri Koponnen.
If we're going to go that way, why not just buy Murphy out?


Atlanta could give us Speedy Claxton (backup PG) and Lorenzen Wright (expiring contract).
I'd do that, but there's no way Atlanta makes that trade unless they're getting a pick back. They were offered Murphy in exchange for Harrington, and refused.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-06-2007, 12:58 PM
I wasn't saying we should or even could trade for any of those guys. I was just revealing that other teams are sitting on pretty bad contracts too. Some of those guys are producing even less than Troy has been.

Imagine dishing out $52 million for Nene or another $41 million for Dampier. I don't see how Blount's 3.5 PPG and 2.3 RPG for $7.3 million a year is producing at a higher level or how Rasho's 5 & 5 for $8 million a year is any better than Troy's 11PPG & 6RPG for $10 million a year.

Again I wasn't trying to put together trade scenario's just pointing out some other pretty bad contracts. I wouldn't trade Troy for some of those guys.

Anthem
12-06-2007, 01:10 PM
Imagine dishing out $52 million for Nene or another $41 million for Dampier. . . I wouldn't trade Troy for some of those guys.
But Nene and Dampier can do two things Murphy can't do: play center and defend. You think Nene would be our fifth big man if he was here?

Other than Ben Wallace and Larry Hughes, I'd trade Murphy for any of those guys.

dohman
12-06-2007, 01:11 PM
I wouldnt just buy the guy out.. who knows when we may actually need him. IF we can trade him to another team that then great.

McKeyFan
12-06-2007, 01:17 PM
I'd trade him for Hughes.

Couldn't Hughes handle some backup point minutes?

Anthem
12-06-2007, 01:20 PM
I'd trade him for Hughes.

Couldn't Hughes handle some backup point minutes?
About like Quis.

Regardless, I don't want any more players that are always injured.

d_c
12-06-2007, 02:45 PM
I see Portland and Atlanta as trade possibilities. Both are young teams, but both are trying to shift from rebuild mode to "win now" mode. There are minutes available for Murphy on both teams, and both would be very happy about his character. Both also have a bad contract or two to get rid of: Darius Miles, Raef LaFrentz, Speedy Claxton.

I wonder if Portland would consider Murphy for Miles (whom I hope we would buy out) and Sergio Rodriguez or Petteri Koponnen.

Atlanta could give us Speedy Claxton (backup PG) and Lorenzen Wright (expiring contract).

The Warriors spent an entire summer trying to bait Atlanta into taking Murphy for Al Harrington (a free agent they were not going to bring back) in a sign and trade. They got turned down several times. They can't afford Murphy's deal, as they need to extend Josh Smith soon.

Murphy's hard working character is great, but Atlanta will probably choose to take Josh Smith and his somewhat questionable character over this.

Portland probably won't dump Miles for Murphy because Miles is injured and I read that insurance is covering for most of the contract. They trade Miles for Murphy and insurance will no longer be covering. And there is no reason to throw in one of their young PG prospects on top of this.

Portland doesn't need to do a thing. They just need to get rehab Oden and they are set. Let's be real. If they add Troy Murphy, does that make them any closer to a playoff team this year? No reason for them to spend $35M just to add a little bit of character when it won't really help them win, especially when Murphy plays the same position as their best player (Aldridge). They've already unloaded Stoudamire, Rasheed, Bonzi and other clowns. Brandon Roy, Aldridge and Steve Blake give them plenty of character.

MyFavMartin
12-06-2007, 03:36 PM
Murphy and filler for Wally?

How about Murphy for Garcia and Kenny Thomas?

Seattle needs some FC help and might do it. Adds a shooter to open lanes for Durant and frees up PT at SG/SF for Green/Durant/Wilkins.

Sac might pass, but I would think Murphy is an upgrade over Thomas.

Maybe see about one of Seattle's PG between West, Ridnour and Watson.

Didn't we have a trade exception? Has it expired?

d_c
12-06-2007, 03:48 PM
Seattle is a rebuilding team starting from the bottom. We're talking rock bottom. We're talking rebuilding around a guy who still hasn't turned 19 yet.

They want young guys closer to Durant's age who can grow with the team. Murphy is a middle aged player with a large contract. The only thing he's going to do is bottle up their manueverability for the next few seasons.

They would prefer to keep Wally, who expires 2 years sooner. Wally instead of Murphy gives them all sorts of options. Plus Seattle already has Collison and Wilcox, who play the same position as Murphy and are younger, better and cheaper.

naptownmenace
12-06-2007, 03:56 PM
Right now Shawne Williams can do everything that Murph can do and do it better plus he's a better ball handler, defender, and he's more athletic.

Once Ike gets back, he'll be the Raef LaFrentz of the east. Which means that he will be tradeable but only if you bundle him with young talent like Ike or Shawne or include future 1st round draft picks. Even so, he'll come in handy when we have injuries and he'll have a few games where he shoots and rebounds well.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-06-2007, 04:02 PM
I bet he starts one of the next three games and plays well and then nobody will remember wanting to trade him because we will have moved on to Kareem Rush by then. What can we get for him?

TheDon
12-06-2007, 04:20 PM
The silver lining is that we just may be able to trade his $12 million expiring contract for a good player in 2010/2011.

I think JO's contract leaves us about the same time as well as Tinsley and Dunleavy all around the same time. I looked around for a list of players that would be available around that time. Here's what I found.

LeBron isn't the only premier player whose contract is scheduled to expire at the end of 2009/2010. Check out this list:
Joe Johnson, Atlanta
Ben Wallace, Chicago
Larry Hughes, Cleveland
Zydrunas Ilgaukas, Cleveland
Josh Howard (Team Option for 2010/2011, very affordable, so unlikely to be free)
Dirk Nowitzki (player option for 2010/2011, for $21,513,524, unlikely to opt out)
Rip Hamilton, Detroit
Al Harrington, Golden State
Stephen Jackson, Golden State
Tracy McGrady, Houston
Rafer Alston, Houston
Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana
Cuttino Mobley, LAC
Tim Thomas, LAC
Kobe Bryant, LAL (player option for 2009/2010, 2010/2011)
Mike Miller, Memphis
Shaquille O'Neal, Miami
Dwayne Wade, Miami
Bobby Simmons, Milwaukee
Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
Charles Villanueva, Milwaukee
Chris Paul, New Orleans
Quentin Richardson, NYK
Jerome James, NYK
Hidayet Turkoglu, Orl
Amare Stoudemire (player option, underpaid)
Steve Nash
Raja Bell
Darius Miles
Brad Miller
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Kenny Thomas
Tim Duncan
Emanuel Ginobili
Ray Allen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Chris Bosh (player option, underpaid)
TJ Ford ($8,500,000 player option, hard to tell if that is a good deal for him or not)
Carlos Boozer (can opt out in 08/09)
Mehmet Okur (can opt out in 08/09)
Deron Williams
Marcus Camby
Marquis Daniels
Andrew Bynum
Udonis Haslem

Anthem
12-06-2007, 04:38 PM
I bet he starts one of the next three games and plays well and then nobody will remember wanting to trade him
I've been pretty consistent in my position... I've been saying this since the trade. It was the primary reason I didn't like the trade.

Dr. Goldfoot
12-06-2007, 04:44 PM
I don't like him either. I was just poking some fun at the "Let's trade this guy this week" brigade.

avoidingtheclowns
12-06-2007, 04:49 PM
I bet he starts one of the next three games and plays well and then nobody will remember wanting to trade him because we will have moved on to Kareem Rush by then. What can we get for him?

the nets are looking to move kidd....

Anthem
12-06-2007, 05:23 PM
I don't like him either. I was just poking some fun at the "Let's trade this guy this week" brigade.
I'd trade any of our guys if I thought we'd come out ahead, but Murphy is the only one I really want gone.

esabyrn333
12-06-2007, 06:16 PM
the nets are looking to move kidd....


Troy is from Jersey maybe they would want to bring their hometown boy back home :dance:

Anthem
12-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Troy is from Jersey maybe they would want to bring their hometown boy back home :dance:
I wonder how much sweetener it would take to trade Troy for RJeff...

Roaming Gnome
12-06-2007, 06:41 PM
The bottom line is, if you are seriously wanting to move Murphy, you are going to have to give up something that has value along with Murphy to get any deal done. We can suggest getting an expiring contract in return, but really.....That is pure nonsense and isn't going to happen. Why would another team give up an expiring contract for the long term contract of a guy that by all accounts has been underacheiving for years. To me, these suggestions are no different then some know nothing getting on a radio call in show suggesting that the Pacers trade the end of our bench for Dwayne Wade. Maddening, I tell you!!

Golden State had to give up something extra to move Murphy, so why do you think that it's going to be different for us? It took Golden State a good while to get rid of Murphy and it ended up costing them Diogu. Yeah, I know that you are going to tell me that Nelly had no plans for Ike, but believe you me, they could have gotten a great deal for Ike but still been stuck with Murphy's contract, so to move that contract....They had to sweeten the deal.

JUST LIKE WE WILL HAVE TO DO!!!

Personally, I'd rather just ride his contract out before doing anymore damage. He isn't a malcontent or a cancer. Best yet, he's there if either his game improves, or someone comes calling from a need/want position. I really don't care if the guy is paid to keep a seat warm. I just don't see us pulling the wool over anyone's eyes to move Murphy without it costing more then what it's worth.

Anthem
12-06-2007, 06:54 PM
I just don't see us pulling the wool over anyone's eyes to move Murphy without it costing more then what it's worth.
Sad but true.

Ragnar
12-06-2007, 06:58 PM
I would like to:deadhorse for a minute.

We are on the hook with Troy for another $42,349,205 had we kept the player we could not keep because the market just went crazy all of the sudden. We would be on the hook for $34,125,000 not to put too fine a point on it but thats a measly $8,224,205 LESS for a two time all star than for a scrub. :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored:




Excuse me while I go throw up a little.

d_c
12-06-2007, 07:17 PM
We can suggest getting an expiring contract in return, but really.....That is pure nonsense and isn't going to happen. Why would another team give up an expiring contract for the long term contract of a guy that by all accounts has been underacheiving for years.
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I just don't see us pulling the wool over anyone's eyes to move Murphy without it costing more then what it's worth.

Absolutley.

In the day of the luxury tax, it's kind of hard to sneak 4 years and $42M past another team's management. Yeah, Murphy is definitely a good guy and a hardworker, but if a team really wants to, they can find a hardworking good guy for a fraction of that price.

It's $42M for a guy who probably isn't going to push an NBA team over the hump that it's currently trying to get over. There are simply many cheaper alternatives when trying to acquire a Murphy type of player.