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Will Galen
11-24-2007, 04:01 AM
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November 24, 2007

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O'Neal might play versus Cavs
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Indiana Pacers (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071124/SPORTS04/711240470&theme=#) coach Jim O'Brien said he anticipates starting forward Jermaine O'Neal will be back in the lineup for Sunday's game (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071124/SPORTS04/711240470&theme=#) against the Cleveland Cavaliers at Conseco Fieldhouse.

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But a couple of things have to happen before O'Neal, who missed his second straight game with swelling in his left knee, returns. He has to be medically cleared and be ready to play at least at a 90 percent level. The Pacers will practice today.


"He has to be ready to practice," O'Brien said. "It's difficult to just play games (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071124/SPORTS04/711240470&theme=#) and not practice. Jermaine knows how important he is to our team on the practice floor and also in games. He also knows why having this swelling in this leg makes it hard to practice; you almost can't. If you're not practicing, you're not really playing to your capabilities."


O'Neal, who has missed three games this season, said he didn't have an MRI on Friday because the swelling in his knee has subsided. He got ice therapy treatment during Friday's game against the Dallas Mavericks.


Seeing an improvement


Center David Harrison, who has been foul prone during his career, has given the Pacers a key contribution off the bench over the past week.
He played 19 minutes in O'Neal's absence against New Orleans, totaling 12 points, four rebounds and a block.


O'Brien wants Harrison to string together a strong month.


"I have a lot of confidence (in him)," O'Brien said. "I think what he has done the last couple of games, he's stayed relatively foul free. He's starting to show the referees his hands on defense. That's good that he's letting referees know he's not going to be grabbing people . . . It's very important for this franchise that what we have seen over the last week we continue to see from David, because he's an extremely talented, athletic basketball player."


Harrison played almost 11 minutes Friday night, grabbing three rebounds and committing four fouls.


Harrison was benched the entire second half Nov. 10 against Denver after picking up a technical foul. O'Brien said Harrison has "no choice" but to be on his best behavior with the officials because the Pacers don't plan on "tolerating him being distracted" with the officials.


Walking around


Forward Ike Diogu, out since Nov. 6 with a torn left calf muscle, has started walking without his boot. He said he's doing some stretching and calf raises, but he still is not able to run.


"They don't know when that's going to happen yet," Diogu said. "They're still evaluating me."


Diogu was averaging nearly 14 points and four rebounds before he was injured.

BlueNGold
11-24-2007, 07:24 AM
...and in other News, the Pacers lose to the Cavs.

Pacemaker
11-24-2007, 07:43 AM
NoOoOoOOoOo!!! He will snap us out of our winning streak :cry:

indygeezer
11-24-2007, 07:50 AM
Well, I see my thoughts have already been posted, so I guess you can ignore this post.

Erik
11-24-2007, 08:06 AM
well, it's not televised, so if you don't go you will probably only miss a loss:( i hate to sound that way, really. but we just seem to be a better team without him. at least give him a longer rest:whoknows:

Speed
11-24-2007, 08:19 AM
All I can hear is the sound of screeching brakes in my head....

Evan_The_Dude
11-24-2007, 08:40 AM
I'm happy O'Brien is at least saying he has to be 90 percent and be able to practice. I like our coach.. a lot. I still wish we could move O'Neal. Good to see Ike making some progress too.

Bball
11-24-2007, 10:46 AM
With a recurring problem, and the swelling going down, wouldn't that be the PERFECT time for an MRI???

-Bball

Hicks
11-24-2007, 10:46 AM
I thought the plan was to sit JO until he was truly ready? Just because his knee stopped swelling yesterday and he might be 90%.... that doesn't sound anywhere near truly ready. Sounds like another set back waiting to happen.

BoomBaby33
11-24-2007, 11:01 AM
I thought the plan was to sit JO until he was truly ready? Just because his knee stopped swelling yesterday and he might be 90%.... that doesn't sound anywhere near truly ready. Sounds like another set back waiting to happen.

I'm bummed.

I thought I was going to see your pic of Darth Vader, exclaiming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" :D

Moses
11-24-2007, 11:05 AM
With a recurring problem, and the swelling going down, wouldn't that be the PERFECT time for an MRI???

-Bball
That would make way to much sense.

Evan_The_Dude
11-24-2007, 11:08 AM
I thought the plan was to sit JO until he was truly ready? Just because his knee stopped swelling yesterday and he might be 90%.... that doesn't sound anywhere near truly ready. Sounds like another set back waiting to happen.

I think that was just a suggested plan by some of us fans on this board. But yeah it's just a setback waiting to happen. Knees don't swell because they feel like it. He should have gotten the MRI.

NuffSaid
11-24-2007, 11:12 AM
Mal,

You, I agree with. All the others who think otherwise...:rolleyes:

I also think playing him on Sunday (11/25) might not be a good idea. I'd much rather wait until he's 100% and have some sort of assurance that whatever caused the swelling won't re-occur any time soon. Maybe it was just the result of two limbs colliding, but if there's a chance that it was something else that caused the problem, I think an MRI would show it or at the very least rule out any potential damage.

EDIT: Unlike the majority here, I would much rather see what a 100% health JO can do w/practise time under his belt than I would with him at only 90% or below. Perhaps the lack of practise time has affected his ability to truly fully gel with the offensive as much as the knee injury. For these reasons, I'd rather see him sit out and have the MRI to atleast rule out any furthe problems than to play him and have him go out again for yet another extended period and not know what caused the swelling in the first place.

The injury issue aside, I for one am tired of reading about all this "trade JO" BS. :mad: The guy still has value to the team even if most don't see it. So, to JO and JOB I say, just get the darn MRI and if necessary sit out Sunday's game and don't come back until you're 100%. Then let's see what a healthy JO can do out there.

Reeder
11-24-2007, 11:39 AM
It's kind of interesting that the feelings of anxiety and dread that used to accompany the news that JO was not able to play are now being kindled by the notion that he actually might play.

Claptonrocks
11-24-2007, 11:51 AM
I hope Oneal doesnt play agasint the Cavs..
the looked better without him.

Hicks
11-24-2007, 11:58 AM
Yes I think not having the MRI when you could rule out any potential problems is stupid and foolish.

Hicks
11-24-2007, 12:06 PM
As for all of the hot comments about "we're better without him", that's only partially true. JO is a better passer than Murphy, Jeff, Foster, Ike, or David. That alone makes him an interesting addition to the offense.

Past that, I'm with the "screw JO" group offensively. The dude is a jump shot machine and not a very good one. Even his true low post moves are all about fading away or avoiding collisions and I just don't care for it or think it's that wonderful. It's like I've said to Gnome and others I see at the games: If JO was just a cog in the machine, I wouldn't have a beef with him. I have a beef with him being the "franchise" "star" player who gets paid $20mm to do what he does. That label and that price tag are what "offends" me.

Still, the other thing to consider is JO blocks shots and takes charges on defense, and that's a good thing. However, I'd argue that it looks like others are stepping up to take charges whether JO is there or not (Dunleavy and Granger come to mind, but the way we play help D potentially anyone near the paint could do it). Personally I don't think JO scares people away from the basket (meaning driving guards/wings), so the shot blocking threat is merely "nice" to me. Beating your man to a spot is much more important than blocking 2 shots a game.

My point is that while JO is a good defender (I still don't see him as a better-than-good 1-on-1 defender), I don't think he's a vital piece to Harter's defense.

So that leads me back to the point I was originally trying to make, and by now I've partially talked myself out of it but here it goes: Jermaine O'Neal is more significant to this team than a lot of you want to admit..... but not too much.

Everyone keeps picking a side with either he's important or very important, or he's barely or not important at all. I think it's pretty much in the middle of those two realms of opinion. He's "sort of" important.

ABADays
11-24-2007, 12:33 PM
To some of the posters - JO will never be 100%. He's already too broken down for that to ever happen.

sweabs
11-24-2007, 12:42 PM
JO is a better passer than Murphy, Jeff, Foster, Ike, or David.
I've been really impressed with the passing I've seen from JO this year. But I still think Jeff is a better distributor overall. I think it's the most under-rated part of Jeff's game. Not only can he make the passes from the low post to guys who are cutting to the rim, but he's also very efficient at making passes from the high post (sometimes just squeaking by 3 or 4 players in the lane).

Rajah Brown
11-24-2007, 12:49 PM
And on a cost-per-good-pass basis, Jeff certainly has a distinct
advantage...

Naptown_Seth
11-24-2007, 12:53 PM
JO is the best player they have when he is healthy. He's already made plenty of driving to the lane post moves to say he's avoiding contact. His jump shot is part of his game and always was, even in his best seasons.

He can be healthy again because he's not "broken down". Or do we need to dig up posts on Tinsley from a few years ago proclaiming his career over due to perpetual injuries?


What I will agree with is that if the team is getting by without him, much like the Colts without Marvin Harrison, then what's the freaking rush. Maybe without him they can be this .500 or slightly better team. Get him properly ready to go so that he won't agitate whatever issue he has the first time he smacks knees with someone. That way you bump from sneaking into the playoffs to doing some real damage perhaps.


And if they aren't good enough to hang in there without him then this debate about his lack of value is moot.

CableKC
11-24-2007, 12:56 PM
I'm bummed.

I thought I was going to see your pic of Darth Vader, exclaiming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" :D
Since Mal won't do it....I will
:vaderno:
For those that have had a similiar injury to what JONeal has....even if your swelling appears to go down.....are you able to get your spring back into your knees?

I do miss JONeal's interior defense...and we will need it to defend against the Big Z.....but unless he is 100% and can jump...I don't see the need to rush him back.....especially against the Cavs at home.

Maybe that's why JO'B wants him back....to defend against Illgaukas and cuz we are playing a division rival.

avoidingtheclowns
11-24-2007, 01:02 PM
JO is the best player they have when he is healthy. He's already made plenty of driving to the lane post moves to say he's avoiding contact. His jump shot is part of his game and always was, even in his best seasons.

i think avoiding contact has a little bit to do with it, but i think right now it has more to do with having the lift of jabba the hut and the worry of allowing earl-boykins-sized players to block his shot.


What I will agree with is that if the team is getting by without him, much like the Colts without Marvin Harrison, then what's the freaking rush. Maybe without him they can be this .500 or slightly better team.

ditto... other than assists, i can't imagine people think (especially the coaching staff) JO has looked tremendously good out there. let him heal.

BlueNGold
11-24-2007, 01:03 PM
To some of the posters - JO will never be 100%. He's already too broken down for that to ever happen.

Yes, it's a shame. IMO, JO has given 100% effort and deserves respect, but it's time to stick a fork in him.

He actually hasn't been 100% since that night in Denver when he injured his shoulder several years ago. That injury happened several years before he would have reached his peak. With his quickness, size, length and talent he should have regularly been going up and dunking in traffic...a veritable 3pt play machine. We never saw much of that because his body just couldn't take it. Instead, we saw a low pct. fadeaway shot that continues to be inaccurate.

Now, this might not show much respect for him, but it's the best way I can put it. I think we need to put a thick layer of lipstick on this pig and wheel him onto the trading floor before the Feb. deadline. An auction would be the best format to ensure he is moved. That way, instead of simply cutting salary when he retires or walks we get a draft pick and perhaps a good young player in return. Just get the best deal you can. Teams in February will be looking for that extra to get them over the top...either in the playoffs or into contention.

Don't miss this train Pacers. Push that button!!!

CableKC
11-24-2007, 01:05 PM
JO is the best player they have when he is healthy. He's already made plenty of driving to the lane post moves to say he's avoiding contact. His jump shot is part of his game and always was, even in his best seasons.

He can be healthy again because he's not "broken down". Or do we need to dig up posts on Tinsley from a few years ago proclaiming his career over due to perpetual injuries?


What I will agree with is that if the team is getting by without him, much like the Colts without Marvin Harrison, then what's the freaking rush. Maybe without him they can be this .500 or slightly better team. Get him properly ready to go so that he won't agitate whatever issue he has the first time he smacks knees with someone. That way you bump from sneaking into the playoffs to doing some real damage perhaps.

And if they aren't good enough to hang in there without him then this debate about his lack of value is moot.
Aside from most of our sarcastic remarks about JONeal returning....it just seems that his athleticsm is so tied to his offensive and defensive game that when he is not 100% ( like he has been ever since the offseason ) it just affects his game too much to ignore.

I think that most of us just think that his return to the court seems rushed then prudent. Unless JONeal plays limited minutes, is only defending and making only 10 FGA a game.....then I would much rather wait for him to be 100% so that we can properly evaluate whether he truly does fit onto this team then not.

It may sound strange....but I would much rather have a 100% Murphy that can effectively hit his shots then a 75% JONeal where he can only hit 40% of his shots and doesn't have the lateral movement to properly defend the player he's supposed to defend.

Evan_The_Dude
11-24-2007, 01:10 PM
So that leads me back to the point I was originally trying to make, and by now I've partially talked myself out of it but here it goes: Jermaine O'Neal is more significant to this team than a lot of you want to admit..... but not too much.

Everyone keeps picking a side with either he's important or very important, or he's barely or not important at all. I think it's pretty much in the middle of those two realms of opinion. He's "sort of" important.

You're right. He's sort of important. But he doesn't realize that yet, and it seems that our coaching staff doesn't realize that yet (but it seems like they're starting to). It's not about Jermaine bogging down the offense, because I don't think that's the case (as much) anymore. It's about Jermaine not allowing us consistency with our rotations because he's always in and out of the lineup. For a player that is "so important" to this team, we just can't have him in and out of the lineup all the time like he is.

Right now Jermaine is on the line of helping us & being a burden to this team. This isn't like it's a new issue. We've been dealing with this for a number of seasons now with him. How much longer are we seriously supposed to let this drag on? I think I'm a bit different from the rest of the crowd here because I don't care about how we get Jermaine off the team, or what we get in return. I just want to see some true Pacers basketball, and I enjoy watching this type of team a whole lot more with Jermaine not playing many minutes or any minutes at all. By the look of things, the rest of the team seems to enjoy it too... Their actions speak that pretty loudly.

CableKC
11-24-2007, 01:12 PM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071124/SPORTS04/711240470&theme=
Seeing an improvement

Center David Harrison, who has been foul prone during his career, has given the Pacers a key contribution off the bench over the past week.
He played 19 minutes in O'Neal's absence against New Orleans, totaling 12 points, four rebounds and a block.

O'Brien wants Harrison to string together a strong month.

"I have a lot of confidence (in him)," O'Brien said. "I think what he has done the last couple of games, he's stayed relatively foul free. He's starting to show the referees his hands on defense. That's good that he's letting referees know he's not going to be grabbing people . . . It's very important for this franchise that what we have seen over the last week we continue to see from David, because he's an extremely talented, athletic basketball player."

Harrison played almost 11 minutes Friday night, grabbing three rebounds and committing four fouls.

Harrison was benched the entire second half Nov. 10 against Denver after picking up a technical foul. O'Brien said Harrison has "no choice" but to be on his best behavior with the officials because the Pacers don't plan on "tolerating him being distracted" with the officials.
If Harrison could learn to draw fouls the way that Dunleavy and JONeal can....he would be way more effective on the defensive end then he is now.

In fact....if he just clogs up the lane with his wide body and tries to avoid trying to block so many shots....then he would be pretty effective. He just needs to learn to be very solid on the defensive end and he would be a solid backup on the roster.

BlueNGold
11-24-2007, 01:24 PM
You're right. He's sort of important. But he doesn't realize that yet, and it seems that our coaching staff doesn't realize that yet (but it seems like they're starting to). It's not about Jermaine bogging down the offense, because I don't think that's the case (as much) anymore. It's about Jermaine not allowing us consistency with our rotations because he's always in and out of the lineup. For a player that is "so important" to this team, we just can't have him in and out of the lineup all the time like he is.

Right now Jermaine is on the line of helping us & being a burden to this team. This isn't like it's a new issue. We've been dealing with this for a number of seasons now with him. How much longer are we seriously supposed to let this drag on? I think I'm a bit different from the rest of the crowd here because I don't care about how we get Jermaine off the team, or what we get in return. I just want to see some true Pacers basketball, and I enjoy watching this type of team a whole lot more with Jermaine not playing many minutes or any minutes at all. By the look of things, the rest of the team seems to enjoy it too... Their actions speak that pretty loudly.

Excellent post, particularly the disruption in continuity he inevitably will cause by being in and out of the line-up. I made this point in another post and will make it here. One of the greatest strengths of the 1990's Pacer clubs was their depth and continuity in rotations.

Whether JO can regain some semblance of health is irrelevant if he is to stay on the team. The truth is, there is no doubt he will get injured once again and be out. If we are fortunate that he happens to be available for the playoffs, it will only be because he sat the previous month or two of games and practices. That is not a recipe for success.

Trader Joe
11-24-2007, 01:37 PM
Anybody consider that the rush to get back on the court isn't coming from the coaching staff but from JO himself?

imawhat
11-24-2007, 01:40 PM
"He has to be ready to practice," O'Brien said. "It's difficult to just play games (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071124/SPORTS04/711240470&theme=#) and not practice. Jermaine knows how important he is to our team on the practice floor and also in games. He also knows why having this swelling in this leg makes it hard to practice; you almost can't. If you're not practicing, you're not really playing to your capabilities."


Music to my ears. Jermaine's gotten a free pass to play without practicing for the last couple of years. They NEED to practice together. He can be our best and most important player when healthy, assuming his giant ego doesn't get in the way.

I don't want him to come back until he's 100%. If he doesn't, he'll have problems the rest of the year.

imawhat
11-24-2007, 01:43 PM
Anybody consider that the rush to get back on the court isn't coming from the coaching staff but from JO himself?


Very possible. Jermaine has done this in the past, several times, plus the sudden change of heart from Jim O'Brien (going from "not playing until he's healthy" to "if he practices and is at 90%") is a little suspicious. It's the only thing that makes sense.


And those who think Jermaine isn't competitive, read between the lines. He's competitive to a fault.

bnd45
11-24-2007, 01:44 PM
Anybody consider that the rush to get back on the court isn't coming from the coaching staff but from JO himself?


BINGO!!!! We have a winner. I couldn't believe it took this many posts to get to the answer. JO's pride is hurting way more than his knee right now. This team looks very legit without him and most of us would like him phased out entirely. Ike is the big guy that can inject some more life into this team when he comes back.

avoidingtheclowns
11-24-2007, 02:55 PM
Anybody consider that the rush to get back on the court isn't coming from the coaching staff but from JO himself?

yup. could be management too, to drive up his trade value. but hopefully the trainers and obie are the ones who will be calling the shots.

Pacemaker
11-24-2007, 04:11 PM
Trade JO and let the Granger, Diogu, Williams era begin! :dance:

bulldog
11-24-2007, 04:35 PM
BINGO!!!! We have a winner. I couldn't believe it took this many posts to get to the answer. JO's pride is hurting way more than his knee right now. This team looks very legit without him and most of us would like him phased out entirely. Ike is the big guy that can inject some more life into this team when he comes back.

I agree with this interpretation more than anything else. I dont' fault him for it, but the wins without him in the line-up have to sting just as much as the losses with him.

Trader Joe
11-24-2007, 04:38 PM
Very possible. Jermaine has done this in the past, several times, plus the sudden change of heart from Jim O'Brien (going from "not playing until he's healthy" to "if he practices and is at 90%") is a little suspicious. It's the only thing that makes sense.


And those who think Jermaine isn't competitive, read between the lines. He's competitive to a fault.

Yep, JO has never truely allowed his body to heal from that knee injury he suffered against the Pistons in the ECFs in 03-04. IMO, JO loves to play basketball and loves to compete, and that is what has kept him from getting healthy.

kester99
11-24-2007, 05:55 PM
Game notes do not list him as probable starter.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/notes.pdf


...and just for chucks, a funny pic from Dallas-area coverage of last game:

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/nov/24/indiana-pacers-111-dallas-mavericks-107/

Oneal07
11-24-2007, 05:56 PM
JO should just sit out and get healthy man. . it's best for him and the team. I personally think he should have sat out atleast the 1st 10 games

hoopsforlife
11-25-2007, 06:16 AM
Game notes do not list him as probable starter.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/notes.pdf


...and just for chucks, a funny pic from Dallas-area coverage of last game:

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/nov/24/indiana-pacers-111-dallas-mavericks-107/

That is a funny picture. Notice the one trailer is painted almost Colts blue. :lol:

MagicRat
11-25-2007, 07:41 AM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071125/SPORTS04/711250443



No O'Neal today


O'Brien said O'Neal will sit out this afternoon's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at Conseco Fieldhouse with a swollen left knee. This is the third straight game, and fourth of the season, that O'Neal has missed.

TheDon
11-25-2007, 08:51 AM
O'Neal, who has missed three games this season, said he didn't have an MRI on Friday because the swelling in his knee has subsided. (article from november 24th)



O'Brien said O'Neal will sit out this afternoon's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers at Conseco Fieldhouse with a swollen left knee (article from november 25th)


The mystery of the magic unswelling and swelling knee. Funny how Jermaine is quoted as saying the swelling subsided in the first article and JOB says "not so much" in the one the very next day. I'm glad JOB had the berries to make that call. I'm pretty sure Jermaine realizes just what the record is without him in the game or in limited minutes.

BoomBaby33
11-25-2007, 09:06 AM
The mystery of the magic unswelling and swelling knee. Funny how Jermaine is quoted as saying the swelling subsided in the first article and JOB says "not so much" in the one the very next day. I'm glad JOB had the berries to make that call. I'm pretty sure Jermaine realizes just what the record is without him in the game or in limited minutes.

Well, I'll at least give him that. He could easily just mail it in for a while. After all, he getting $20M this year (and next). Let his teammates do all the work to get them in a playoff run, then come back just in time to ruin it all. I digress. j/k I know JO is not that way.

But I do think he has to be sweating it a bit knowing and seeing how well they play without him. If he truely wants out if Indiana, this is the worst case scenario for him.

Hicks
11-25-2007, 11:19 AM
What? You mean the knee wasn't magically OK after the swelling went down? Why on Earth would anyone even consider getting an MRI while the knee was not swelled?

:rolleyes:

TheDon
11-25-2007, 11:27 AM
What? You mean the knee wasn't magically OK after the swelling went down? Why on Earth would anyone even consider getting an MRI while the knee was not swelled?

:rolleyes:

Yeah I mean this is one of those things where if you ignore it it will go away ;)

Tom White
11-25-2007, 11:34 AM
Can anyone else picture O'Brien saying to O'Neal "Go get the darned MRI done, THEN we'll talk about when you can play, but not until then. By the way, NO PRACTICE = NO PLAY!"

naptownmenace
11-25-2007, 01:55 PM
EDIT: Unlike the majority here, I would much rather see what a 100% health JO can do w/practise time under his belt than I would with him at only 90% or below. Perhaps the lack of practise time has affected his ability to truly fully gel with the offensive as much as the knee injury. For these reasons, I'd rather see him sit out and have the MRI to atleast rule out any furthe problems than to play him and have him go out again for yet another extended period and not know what caused the swelling in the first place.

The injury issue aside, I for one am tired of reading about all this "trade JO" BS. :mad: The guy still has value to the team even if most don't see it. So, to JO and JOB I say, just get the darn MRI and if necessary sit out Sunday's game and don't come back until you're 100%. Then let's see what a healthy JO can do out there.

I agree. JO plays at an All-Star level when he's 100% healthy so why not wait until he's 100% healthy? It's not like they are struggling without him and need to rush him back.

JO playing at 90% or less is not better than the combo of Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster at 100%.

Naptown_Seth
11-26-2007, 02:10 AM
Well JO clearly made the right call which led to that big victory I was promised if JO didn't play.

Good lord listen to yourselves. Now people are mad that players WANT to play. Guess you forgot your own outrage when Tinsley sat night after night (along with JO) a few seasons ago.



Luckily Murphy filled in brilliantly for JO in the Cleveland game. 1-10 from the field was way better than JO can do.

Trade JO now, maybe we can get 2 guys and make it a 2-20 night in a home loss to a struggling division rival.


JO playing at 90% or less is not better than the combo of Troy Murphy and Jeff Foster at 100%.
4-16, 12 rebounds, 2 assists in 59 minutes played? That's better than 90% JO? Since when? JO's averaging more assists than that in under 30 minutes a night, and even his bad shooting is above 25% right now.

Moses
11-26-2007, 02:14 AM
Yeah I mean this is one of those things where if you ignore it it will go away ;)
It seems like that's the approach that our medical staff has taken for the past 5 years.

Pacerized
11-26-2007, 02:26 AM
It may sound strange....but I would much rather have a 100% Murphy that can effectively hit his shots then a 75% JONeal where he can only hit 40% of his shots and doesn't have the lateral movement to properly defend the player he's supposed to defend.


I think J.O. at 10% is a better defender then Murphy, but I agree with your post. I hope J.O. sits until he's 100%. Then I hope he can be the 20/10 player he was for us last season. It's a real shame that Ike has to be out at the same time as J.O. Bringing our only 2 low post players back at the same time will be a big adjustment for the team.