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    Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

    I'm going to link Brunner's article from Pacers.com, but I want to comment first. One thing I have noticed ever since the Pacers acquired Mike Dunleavy last season. The Pacers are better with Mike on the court. Almost every game since he was acquired, whenver it seems like wow, the pacers have hit a little rough patch within a game - with rare exceptions - I notice it started when Dunleavy went to the bench. He makes things work - he might not score, he might not making the scoring pass, but he makes the team better. And isn't that what a player is supposed to do.

    As many of us have discussed, it reminds me of Derrick McKey.

    Why does Mike have this impact. He more than anything just knows how to play basketball and he knows what it takes to win.

    Obviously Mike isn't the most talented player in the NBA or on the Pacers team, but he is a facilitator and he helps teams win.


    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/dunleavy_071025.html


    Dunleavy quietly making bold statement



    Mike Dunleavy has been the most consistently productive Pacers player in the preseason. (NBAE/Getty Images)
    By Conrad Brunner | Oct. 25, 2007
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    Very quietly, Mike Dunleavy is making a bold statement.

    Notebook: With two cuts, roster appears set
    Pacers Preseason Central


    As the most consistently productive member of the team throughout the preseason, the versatile wing has made it clear he not only deserves his place in the starting lineup but a featured role in Coach Jim O'Brien's high-octane offense.

    "I think it's fun to play in," Dunleavy said. "You really get an opportunity to get out in the open court and make plays, and in the halfcourt to move around and cut. If you're a guy that knows how to play the game, has some skill, can shoot the ball, it's a good system to play in. I'm just trying to knock down open shots and always keep moving."

    When O'Brien designated Dunleavy a starter before the first practice of training camp, it surprised observers who anticipated challenges from a revitalized Marquis Daniels and motivated newcomer Kareem Rush. But Dunleavy has justified O'Brien's faith in a big way, averaging 15.3 points, 3.0 assists and 2.6 rebounds in 25.1 minutes through seven preseason games.

    He was at his best in Tuesday's 106-95 victory over the Timberwolves with 20 points, five assists, four rebounds and two steals, hitting seven-of-10 shots including all four of his 3-point attempts. Another number, however, was more illustrative to O'Brien.

    "Let's put it this way: he played in a game that we won by 11 and we keep a plus-minus on every player and he had a plus-34," O'Brien said. "I don’t think any of us have ever seen a plus-34 in an 11-point ballgame. That speaks to how valuable he is to every element of what we do. He leads our team in the preseason by a large margin in plus-minus.

    "That's exactly who I thought Mike Dunleavy was – exactly who I thought he was."

    Always a solid all-around player, Dunleavy has been deadly from the 3-point line in the preseason, hitting 61.9 percent (13 of 21). That's a particularly encouraging sign. Dunleavy entered the league with the reputation of a deadly long-range shooter and backed it up with a .372 percentage from the arc in his first two seasons. He slipped markedly, however, to .298 over the past two seasons, including .283 in 43 games with the Pacers.

    Whether it's the summer or work in the weightroom, the quality of shots in the system or the obvious confidence of his head coach, Dunleavy is back in the groove.

    "When I came here last year I just kind of stopped shooting threes; it was kind of sporadic," Dunleavy said. "I really concentrated back on it again this summer and especially when coach got the job. He said we wanted to shoot a lot of threes, so I put the time in and it's paying off."

    The two-year slip in accuracy remains as much a mystery to Dunleavy as to those around him who saw a shot so mechanically sound, they were surprised if he missed. The number of surprises was, well, surprising.

    "I don't know what it was," he said. "It was a combination of maybe being unsure about 3-point shots. They're an interesting shot in this league but when you have a coach who believes in them so much like (O'Brien) then you know you've got to let go. Just having that comfort level makes it a little bit easier."

    Having a head coach that fully believes in not only his skills but his importance to the team can't hurt. Dunleavy went through an emotional wringer in Golden State and appears to be recharged under O'Brien.

    "He really stresses certain things that I think complement my game," Dunleavy said. "In terms of shooting and confidence, one of the first things he said was, 'Don't worry about missed shots; I'm never going to take a guy out of a game for missed shots. I don't care if you miss 10 in a row, just play hard.' A lot of coaches say that but he actually believes it and means it. That makes it easier."
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-25-2007, 07:14 PM.
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    Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

    I second your contention, UB.

    I feel better about the team when Dunleavy is on the court. He's got poise and he's smooth. The comparison to McKey is interesting. He's less athletic and more offensive minded, but I always thought Derrick had a stratospheric BBall IQ. Dunleavy may not be far behind.

    I also like Marquis on the court. Going small with Granger at the 4 may be our best lineup.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

      I third your contention, UB. He's one of those guys that just does all the things that make the team and other players look better. I didn't notice it much last year, but I've really noticed it this preseason.

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        Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

        I've always held my criticisms of Dunleavy back, and he's proven worthy of such reservations thus far. He's a good player, one whose "breakout season" I look forward to watching this year via League Pass.

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          Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

          Go dun dun!

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            Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

            i knew dunleavy would come back strong this year. he's just been in a bad situation ever since he got into the league. this is his first real year of stability and defined role.

            IMO, we should start him at SF and trade danny for a very good guard.

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              Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

              I find it hard to believe that the Pacers have a player on their roster that is considered critical to the success of the team and has averaged 79 games a season over the course of his entire career.

              That just seems....very....out of place for anyone wearing the Blue and Gold.

              J/K....I totally agree.....ever since he came here.....most of us have given him a clean slate. I'm glad that he's panning out and solidly contributing to the team. When we return to play in Oakland...I really hope that he ( and Murphy ) can show the Warrior fans that booed him what he is made of.
              Last edited by CableKC; 10-25-2007, 11:46 PM.
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                Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                Dun was part of the Pacers best +/- five last year and I have no doubt that he is an important factor. I've never questioned his ability to help the offense flow. He had no 3 ball the last few years, isn't a strong defender and showed an inability to finish at the rim at least last year, but otherwise he's a solid player who makes the team better.

                Ball handling, passing, moving without the ball are all things he's good at. Transition offense too. I've never argued against that kind of assessment. I have been against the "he's great" or "he's a lot better than Jackson" type of comments, that's not the same as saying he's not solid.


                I do still strongly disagree that he's McKey-like, he's not nearly as quiet in the box score as 9. He'll shoot and you'll notice that he's out there, and while McKey was mainly a defensive guy who could still give you a nice shot of offense, Dun is not a guy who can still give you a nice shot of defense, not up till now.

                I still say that Quis is far more like McKey, a milder box output and the abilty to contribute well at both ends of the court, often just in spacing that makes everything else go better for guys defending the ball or scoring the ball while he gets nothing in the box for it.

                I always thought Derrick had a stratospheric BBall IQ. Dunleavy may not be far behind.
                This is where they are most similar, though I would also agree that McKey was a smarter player and add that the margin is a bit wider than you suggest. Mike's smart, but Derrick read the floor perfectly. The guy was just as crafty as all get out. When you look at Quis dance his way into the lane for a surprisingly easy looking shot out of nowhere that is much more reminiscent of how McKey worked the game, at least to me.


                IMO, we should start him at SF and trade danny for a very good guard.
                I really like Danny, but given Mike's contract length and style of play I have to agree at this point. Maybe they can make it work, and if so then great because I don't want to see Granger gone. It's just that such a move makes the most sense right now.

                Last year Dun's individual per48 +/- was -2.0, Danny's was -2.5 and Indy could really use a traditional SG.

                Then again if things go south then they start looking at being in the mix to get one of the promising young guards in the 08 draft, so maybe you hold on to Danny to pair him with another up and comer.
                Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 10-26-2007, 01:31 AM.

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                  Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                  If you had said quis I would agree

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                    Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                    I really like Danny, but given Mike's contract length and style of play I have to agree at this point. Maybe they can make it work, and if so then great because I don't want to see Granger gone. It's just that such a move makes the most sense right now.

                    Last year Dun's individual per48 +/- was -2.0, Danny's was -2.5 and Indy could really use a traditional SG.

                    Then again if things go south then they start looking at being in the mix to get one of the promising young guards in the 08 draft, so maybe you hold on to Danny to pair him with another up and comer.

                    I look at it this way. We have three (maybe even four if you include quis) core SF's on this team. Dunleavy is the best one right now. Shawne will be the best one in about 3 years. Danny is stuck in the middle. However, Danny has the most trade value. It only makes sense.

                    There is no doubt in my mind he could net us some really nice guard prospects.

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                      Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                      I agree with this article, not to be all sunshiney.

                      Dun makes people around him better, if the players around him know how to play too. Not to the extreme like a Kidd or Nash, but better. Everytime I say "know how to play" I mean that whole basketball instinct deal.

                      If you can cover up Duns one on one defensive deficiencies, which I truely believe Harter is going to make such a difference as AND he can be allowed to be that glue guy, not a 3rd pick/franchise guy. You have a player that is so important to a "team".

                      Detroit has a bunch of these guys and when they are winning Rasheed plays this way too. Cohesive, complimenatry, unselfish.... instinctive. I've always thought Detroit wasn't and isn't the most talented team, but man they were and are one of the most instinctive and smart teams. They are still very talented, but how they play exceeds their skill level, to me that is about a big as compliment you can give a team. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts saying. (Green, the cup thrower and his ilk are still Tools, just thought I'd throw that in there )

                      I 100% am not trying to go down the S Jackson road, so I'll say this instead, put Al Harrington in place of Tayshaun on Detroit and he'll stick out like a sore thumb, put Dun in place of Prince and they don't miss much of a beat.

                      I know I'll get blasted for this, just keep in mind I don't mean in a pure sense that Al is bad or Dun is awesome or that either is better or worse than Tayshaun, that is not the point.

                      Also, The Bulls are trying to build this way too, get a bunch of high IQ, high instinct guys from big time, well coached programs and try to build a winner. The Bulls are doing it the right way imho, too.

                      I'll also use an imaginary scenario. Bender is guarding me 22 feet away from the basket in a game of one on one. He's the most athletic guy on the planet, me.. not as much so. I pump fake Bender, awesomely jumps 42 inches vertically to block my jump shot, as I meandering dribble by him and lay it in. Wow Bender can jump, whats the outcome.

                      I mean to say that guys who understand how to play are really really valuable and guys (to steal from Larry Brown) who don't play the right way are overated and a dime a dozen.
                      Last edited by Speed; 10-26-2007, 09:41 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                        Originally posted by Speed View Post
                        I'll say this instead, put Al Harrington in place of Tayshaun on Detroit and he'll stick out like a sore thumb, put Dun in place of Prince and they don't miss much of a beat.

                        I know I'll get blasted for this, just keep in mind I don't mean in a pure sense that Al is bad or Dun is awesome or that either is better or worse than Tayshaun, that is not the point.

                        I won't blast you at all, in fact I agree with you 100%. Someone will surely suggest that Mike can't play one-on-one defense like Tay - and that is true -

                        Mike's team defense is always excellent. Overall I have never had a complaint about Mike's defense - as long as you don't expect him to defend Wade, James, Carter - Mike just doesn't have the lateral quickness necessary - but he has the smarts and instincts Which really shows up in the team stuff

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                          Dunleavy wouldn't have blocked Reggie's shot. Why couldn't it have been Dunleavy...?

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                            Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                            Trading Danny is a bad idea.

                            At first, I thought it was a good idea. Then I thought about it for ten seconds.

                            Character has killed us the past few years. If Danny goes, it's Shawne and Quis who fill the void. Are you ready to bet on them as good character guys? I'm not. While they may never be Artest and Jax, the past few years have just been too difficult in Indy to take the chance.

                            Danny is probably one of the top players in the league when combining character and talent. We best not screw this one up.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                              Re: Pacers are better with Dunleavy on the court. Pacers.com

                              You give Granger a well-deserved demotion to sixth man, and hopefully he responds by kicking ***.

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