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DisplacedKnick
10-22-2007, 10:47 AM
Shareef Abdur-Rahim is listed as a center on NBA.com. Last year he started at center when Brad Miller was injured. However this year Miller is healthy and projected to start at C. I'm requesting that SAR be switched from straight center to C-F.

Here is ESPN.com's Sacramento depth chart where he's projected to start at F: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/depth?team=sac

Here is Sportsline's: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/teams/depth-chart/SAC

Here is Sacramento's team roster page on NBA.com where he's listed as a forward: http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/roster.html

I can come up with more if you like - he's listed as a CF on espn.com: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=0003

and as a forward on sportsline where they say "he also has center eligibility in most leagues.": http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/6455

edit: Not saying this should or should not pass (actually I think it should which is why I put it up) but it's the general format. Also, once the season starts, quotes from local news media (in this case the Sacramento Bee) supporting the position change can be useful.

able
10-22-2007, 11:43 AM
I don't care that fantasy sites call him a guard or a wedgy, but if his team's site has him as a F then that is what he is IMO
so I vote yes

Slick Pinkham
10-22-2007, 12:30 PM
I found the site that statistically evaluates what positions players are used. I don't know how they get their information, but from the guys I looked up, it seems to make sense.

It is hoopsstats.com

Not that you need any help for this vote, but just as an example, they list Abdur-Rahim as playing 59 games at Center and 21 games at PF, and I am assuming that they are analyzing last season.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/sacramento-kings/players/shareef-abdur-rahim/profile/07/25/355

This site is interesting for a number of reasons. They analyze whether or not a player won his positional matchup for each game. For example, Tinsley lost 16 of 19 matchups vs. top 10 point guards (he is ranked #21).
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/indiana-pacers/players/jamaal-tinsley/profile/07/11/163

DisplacedKnick
10-22-2007, 12:41 PM
I don't care that fantasy sites call him a guard or a wedgy, but if his team's site has him as a F then that is what he is IMO
so I vote yes

For these votes, would it help you if I started a thread titled "Vote Results" or something like that or is it just as easy to pick them up as we go?

Los Angeles
10-22-2007, 01:59 PM
I found the site that statistically evaluates what positions players are used. I don't know how they get their information, but from the guys I looked up, it seems to make sense.

It is hoopsstats.com

Not that you need any help for this vote, but just as an example, they list Abdur-Rahim as playing 59 games at Center and 21 games at PF, and I am assuming that they are analyzing last season.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/sacramento-kings/players/shareef-abdur-rahim/profile/07/25/355

This site is interesting for a number of reasons. They analyze whether or not a player won his positional matchup for each game. For example, Tinsley lost 16 of 19 matchups vs. top 10 point guards (he is ranked #21).
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/indiana-pacers/players/jamaal-tinsley/profile/07/11/163

Thanks!

Mistachill
10-22-2007, 02:45 PM
I need some clarification on Rahim:

NBA.com list him as a center on his bio page: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shareef_abdur-rahim/index.html?nav=page

But on the actual NBA.com roster he is listed as strictly a forward: http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/roster.html

Then on the NBA.com depth chart he is listed as a PF/C: http://www.nba.com/fantasy/depthcharts_wc2.html

My question is, what is the source of our initial player positions?

It was my understanding that NBA.com was the source, but here's an example of where he's listed three different ways on their site.

DisplacedKnick
10-22-2007, 03:41 PM
I need some clarification on Rahim:

NBA.com list him as a center on his bio page: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shareef_abdur-rahim/index.html?nav=page

But on the actual NBA.com roster he is listed as strictly a forward: http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/roster.html

Then on the NBA.com depth chart he is listed as a PF/C: http://www.nba.com/fantasy/depthcharts_wc2.html

My question is, what is the source of our initial player positions?

It was my understanding that NBA.com was the source, but here's an example of where he's listed three different ways on their site.

I took his current position from his player page - the fantasy depth charts are definitely out according to able.

Good question though - part of this reason for an early vote thread is to figure things out (and hopefully it's pretty much a no-brainer so the questions don't get lost in the rest of the discussion).

Mistachill
10-24-2007, 08:13 AM
Rim, you mentioned where you pulled his initial position from, but what I'm not clear on is what is the official source of a players initial position designation in what ever system we're using. The roster page or the bio page? To me that is actually very important.

Take Rahim for example. On the roster page he is listed as a F, on the bio page he's a C.

Personally I think it would have been more difficult to get him voted from a F (his natural position) to F/C than it would from a C to F/C.

If someone could post a link as an example of where we starting from on this initial position designations that would clear up a lot for me.

SycamoreKen
10-24-2007, 11:00 PM
I understand wanting to use NBA,com as the source for this information, but I don't think what they have is really realistic. I pulled up the Nuggets, not sure why, and looked at their rosters, not fantasy but regular team pages, on 4 different sites.

http://www.nba.com/nuggets/roster/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/roster;_ylt=AmgwZFf5b7iiLYAnVGgHAvB70bYF

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=den

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/rosters/nuggets.html

As you can see, NBA.com had the least amount of multi position listings. In fact, the other 3 sites seem to have almost identical listings. Steven Hunter not a F/C? Only on the NBA site. When you look at Toronto's roster they only have one center listed on NBA.com.

I'm not saying this to change the site we use for initial position selections, but if I am like everyone else, it would be nice not to have to vote on 80% of the players that actually play more than one position.

DisplacedKnick
10-25-2007, 06:50 AM
I'm not saying this to change the site we use for initial position selections, but if I am like everyone else, it would be nice not to have to vote on 80% of the players that actually play more than one position.

I'm not sure we'll have to vote so often as much as have to give up getting gifts from the site we use.

I don't know about anyone else but from my roster, in the past I've had these 2-position players:

G-F
Lebron
Josh Smith
Joe Johnson

F-C
Boozer
Okur

Honestly, I don't think any of the above 3 are true 2-position players - or have been for some time. Lebron and JJ play SG, Josh Smith plays at SF and PF, Boozer plays at F and Okur at C. Smith has played SG when JJ started at PG or was injured (like last year). It's been a nice benefit and one I've built my team around but I can't scream too much at the fact that I probably can't justify a vote right now for any of the above players.

Mistachill
10-25-2007, 11:09 AM
So is it safe to assume based on the following link, Al Horford is going to be identified as a F/C from day one without a vote?

http://www.nba.com/hawks/roster/

Excuse my ignorance and maybe it was clearly posted somewhere and I missed it, where do I need to go to determine my player's current position designations absent any voting.

I apologize for being so confused about this issue.