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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

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    if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/harrison_070925.html


    Opportunity awaits
    confident Harrison



    By Conrad Brunner | Sept. 25, 2007

    David Harrison is aware of the Pacers' ongoing search for one more big man.


    He's been aware of it since he joined the team four years ago.

    This season, he's hoping to end that quest, once and for all.

    "This is year four of, 'We need a big guy,' " Harrison said Tuesday at the annual Pacers Foundation, Inc., golf outing at Brickyard Crossing. "My mentality going into camp is if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

    "I'm optimistic. I like the coaching staff. I think we're going to have a real competitive style."

    Largely because of a troublesome shoulder injury that required April surgery, Harrison posted career lows in games (24), minutes (190), scoring (3.0 per game) and rebounding (1.8) in his third NBA season. The former first-round pick from Colorado also averaged a career-high 11.8 fouls per 48 minutes. It was a major step back for a former first-round pick that appeared in 67 games and averaged 15.4 minutes, 5.7 points, 3.8 rebounds and 8.9 fouls per 48 minutes in 2005-06.

    After going through two months of post-surgery rehab, Harrison resumed full-scale basketball workouts in July and appears to have his conditioning where it needs to be heading into training camp, which begins Oct. 2 in Conseco Fieldhouse.

    "I had my opportunity my rookie year after the brawl and I thought I put up the numbers to prove I could perform in minutes," Harrison said. "I was inconsistent really bad my rookie year but my second year I thought I was more consistent with my minutes and trying to stay out there.

    "The biggest issue with me has always been foul trouble. That's what everybody has always said: 'You can't keep him on the floor with two fouls.' But if you're not going to put me back on the court, anyway, why does it matter that I have two fouls? It's a different coach, a different time. It might not be the same mentality. I'm just going to go do what I did last year. I'm going to put myself in the best shape I possibly can and try to do my job."


    With a new coaching staff headed by Jim O'Brien, Harrison could get something of a fresh start. On a team looking for big bodies, he has the biggest; Harrison is the only 7-footer on the roster. O'Brien said the young center's long-sought opportunity is in his hands.

    "I think it's totally up to David Harrison," said O'Brien. "It is for all of our players. I've been asked that question by fans constantly, as to what my plans are for David Harrison, and my plans are to put on the court the people that deserve to be on the court. If he deserves to be on the court, he'll be on the court."

    A capable shot-blocker with unusual athleticism for his size, Harrison could fit in well with O'Brien's more up-tempo offensive system. Though he looks forward to playing the new style, Harrison is taking a pragmatic approach to its implementation.
    "You can say you're going to run but to run you've got to have a team that knows each other very, very well," Harrison said. "You need to know this person's tendencies, this person does this, know where this person's going to be. I haven't played basketball with anyone on this team except Danny Granger, Jeff Foster, Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jermaine O'Neal. That's one-third of our roster. Cohesion's going to be a problem in the beginning but once that's gone, I see us as a very competitive team, top to bottom. It's going to be an interesting season."

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    Or he could shut up and earn that right to be even a viable option as a player, period. There is multiple reasons why he hasn't played at this point and almost all of them in his control.

    I'll predict right now he'll be moved and fail miserably there as well, but still blame someone else and will finish his career in Europe.
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  • #2
    Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

    remember when people were thinking that he would be a starter his 2nd year.

    lol

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    • #3
      Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

      First, I look at the game at the very end of last season when he got thrown out, when he really was going to be given as many minutes as he could handle that game. And he acted out like that in his 3rd year in the league.

      Secondly, 11.8 fouls per 48 mins, I think that speaks for itself.

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      • #4
        Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

        Bye bye.
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        • #5
          Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

          From a PR stand point what does this do for us fans?

          Horrible.

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          • #6
            Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

            I like O'Brien's approach, "if he deserves to be on the court, then he'll be on the court".

            Meaning he won't play any

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            • #7
              Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

              Originally posted by David Harrison
              "The biggest issue with me has always been foul trouble. That's what everybody has always said: 'You can't keep him on the floor with two fouls.' But if you're not going to put me back on the court, anyway, why does it matter that I have two fouls?
              He was often taken out of the game with two fouls, when the rules say a player can continue until he gets six fouls. The coach wasn't holding him in reserve or some special purpose. the coach was sitting him because he didn't play well.

              Originally posted by Harrison
              I'm just going to go do what I did last year.

              How can a player say this after having the year he did?
              And I won't be here to see the day
              It all dries up and blows away
              I'd hang around just to see
              But they never had much use for me
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              • #8
                Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                He was often taken out of the game with two fouls, when the rules say a player can continue until he gets six fouls. The coach wasn't holding him in reserve or some special purpose. the coach was sitting him because he didn't play well.




                How can a player say this after having the year he did?

                Alot of times he was on the verge of going all Hulked out, showing zero poise, so it was absolutely the right move to sit him down.

                Back to that game, I want to say Phillie, at the end of the season where he was allowed to worked through it and got thrown out. He balls up his fist, gives the murderous eye to the ref.. I won't go on, we've all seen him act foolish after getting that second foul in 3 mins.

                It all goes back to taking ownership in your actions and I'm afraid it so obvious to everyone but David what he needs to do, but he doesn't see it.

                And yes, gotta love Obie. If you earn it, you'll play. It seems Obie isn't going to have any of these shenanigans, nothing personal, but if David is going to pout about PT under these circumstances and wants to be coddled, I wouldn't be surprised if he's seeing his last days as a Pacer.

                Lastly, by him saying he's going to do what he did last year, is exactly saying none of this is on him, not his fault. Very sad, DH seems like a nice guy and he does have talent, but it all means nothing if he doesn't grow up.

                I'm guessing he lacks someone close to him to tell him the truth and they just pump his ego instead.

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                • #9
                  Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                  Originally posted by Hulk View Post
                  "You can say you're going to run but to run you've got to have a team that knows each other very, very well," Harrison said. "You need to know this person's tendencies, this person does this, know where this person's going to be. I haven't played basketball with anyone on this team except Danny Granger, Jeff Foster, Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jermaine O'Neal. That's one-third of our roster. Cohesion's going to be a problem in the beginning but once that's gone, I see us as a very competitive team, top to bottom. It's going to be an interesting season."
                  thats because you were too busy being ejected to get any minutes with murphy, dunleavy and ike.
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                  • #10
                    Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                    Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                    How can a player say this after having the year he did?
                    Nobody seems to remember or care, but he came into training camp much slimmer than he had been (maybe too skinny) and in very good shape. I'm assuming that's what he's talking about.


                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    thats because you were too busy being ejected to get any minutes with murphy, dunleavy and ike.
                    He was hurt.
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                    • #11
                      Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      I like O'Brien's approach, "if he deserves to be on the court, then he'll be on the court".

                      Meaning he won't play any
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                      • #12
                        Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                        The biggest question I have is how this article will affect team chemistry.
                        Will JO be PO'd when he realizes David has stolen his annual "If I'm not the guy....." preseason line?
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                        • #13
                          Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                          Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                          The biggest question I have is how this article will affect team chemistry.
                          Will JO be PO'd when he realizes David has stolen his annual "If I'm not the guy....." preseason line?
                          My guess is that JO will be more like: "David who said what now? Oh...the tall dude..right. No, yeah, I totally know who you mean. Do I have a comment about his comments? Umm...yeah..whatever."
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                          • #14
                            Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                            Did anybody else see the thread title and think it was JO speaking?
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                            • #15
                              Re: if I'm not that big guy, I think they should go get him and let me go somewhere else.

                              Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                              Did anybody else see the thread title and think it was JO speaking?



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