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Jose Slaughter
08-29-2007, 03:17 AM
& thats not our friend in Iraq!

The fantasy league that we've had on here for 7 years or so is just about done.

The Sports.ws site has given no clue as to weather they will be open for the 07-08 season. In the past they have either been open by now or had a sign on thier main page saying the site would be open on what-ever date.

So far nothing.

On top of that, their help desk has not responded to my e-mails. I also found an e-mail address for the founder of the site. That was a dead end too.

I have not had any updates from Able on the site he was working on. It was a long shot at best & knowing how busy he is I really can't see him pulling to much time & energy away from projects that pay the bills.

I have searched the web but nothing comes close to what we had with the old site. The NBA.com league we did last year just wasn't the same & even thou we could go back to it. Why bother, it wasn't that much fun & most of us lost interest rather quickly.

Unless some one has a site that they've found that looks promising it looks like the only things left to do are pull the plug & switch off the lights.

Barring a sudden rise from the dead for Sports.ws it pretty much looks like the end.

Thanks to everyone past & present that made the league work.

Shade
08-29-2007, 02:00 PM
That sucks. I was looking forward to it. I actually didn't mind the NBA.com setup, once I got used to how it worked. Too bad I punted a few games before I figured it out, though. :(

Thanks for your hard work, Jose.

Los Angeles
08-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Bummer.

Hicks
08-29-2007, 04:15 PM
What's wrong with Yahoo's?

JayRedd
08-30-2007, 11:12 AM
What's wrong with Yahoo's?

It's better than that NBA one. I thought that interface was horrible.

Gyron
08-30-2007, 11:15 AM
If you continue on, and there are any openings this year, I'd be willing to give it a shot again, things haven't really slowed down, but I don't have the birth of a son putting things in flux this year.....

I'd be ok with Yahoo, it's not as nice as the WS, but it still works.

tnt09
08-30-2007, 11:46 AM
we're not alone, read this blog

http://ltdhoops.blogspot.com/2007/08/sportsws-where-are-you.html

kerosene
08-31-2007, 12:30 AM
maybe we should try to contact this person who said they may be able to help that blogger:

Anonymous said...

contact me on backboard@hotmail.co.uk and I may be able to help.
August 28, 2007 9:05 PM

Jose Slaughter
08-31-2007, 12:48 AM
I've already sent an e-mail.

I'll let you know what I find out ASAP.

As far as Yahoo is concerned, if I remember correctly there were several members of the board that had played there in the past & not thought too highly of the site. I also think they limited the size of their leagues to 16. Since our league was larger I don't think it was considered for that reason as well.

With the state that we find our league in now, I would consider almost any site that the majority could agree to play on.

Jose Slaughter
09-01-2007, 12:12 AM
The guy at the backboard@hotmail.co.uk address has set up his own Pacers Digests style web site.

Within that site are a series of fantasy basketball boards that require a password. I'm working on getting a password & once in, I'm sure to have more info.

The only thing I can tell you now is that they have a keeper league that has been around 5 years & they play on a system based on a 240 minute game.

Sounds very familiar & I hope just as promising.

More, as I know it.

kerosene
09-01-2007, 04:16 AM
That's great Jose!

I've never played at Yahoo so I can't comment on how it is.

Jose Slaughter
09-01-2007, 09:08 PM
The latest is that the site is running several different leagues & might form another. There could be openings for a few of us but I doubt we could bring in enough for either the ABA or the KL.

Thats not written in stone but its the impression I get.

Once again, I'll pass along more when I know it.

GO!!!!!
09-02-2007, 11:12 PM
This is tragic news and I have already half completed my draft plan, I hope your workings Jose come to realism as I'm just not ready to give up on my team yet.........

NO QUITING NO.... as much as i disliked nba.com I will go back if it's the last option..... Howard, Harrington, Kirelenko, Bogut... you will live to see another day..

able
09-03-2007, 05:09 AM
Well I got no reply at all form that email addie, so for now I assume he chooses not to answer me :D

The total project of building the site for future comm purposes has been in a slump when I had a hard time getting the additional coders, however it is something that is still on my "todo" list.

I will wait a few more days/weeks (yes I know when the season starts) and then simply work out a dbase solution myself, have a chat with Doug to do the parsing and write a routine that will update the db every day, it will be nowhere near as functional as sports.ws, but I can guarantee you the same scoring system and a "simple" webpage to view results and standings.

It may be more "difficult" (I.e. not drag and drop) to change line-ups but it will work.

it would however only be for the ABA league

Any help from people with dbase experience is welcome btw

able
09-03-2007, 06:01 AM
I can now say with 100% certainty we will have a site, within the next 4 weeks.

cheers

Jose Slaughter
09-03-2007, 11:01 AM
Thanks Able

Thats GREAT to hear, if you can, try to keep us upto date on how all this is going?

Since we can only have the one league, how 'bout we just run with the KL.

The owners commitment is proven & they're already in place. Also, teams were constructed based on that scoring system.

If Sports.ws does open up then we can try to get the ABA back up & running.

able
09-03-2007, 02:35 PM
Well when I said one, I meant the KL but perhaps we can run two, I am checking out some open-source stuff that is used for football and I can most likely adept that handily.

DisplacedKnick
09-04-2007, 10:29 AM
Well when I said one, I meant the KL but perhaps we can run two, I am checking out some open-source stuff that is used for football and I can most likely adept that handily.

Thanks able - I'd reply in more depth but I have the weekend of Sept 15 penciled in as when I'll put some serious KL work in. I'll drop you a PM then once I start wrapping my brain around fantasy bball again.

able
09-04-2007, 11:16 AM
OK now you all could make my life a little bit easier if there were one or two ppl available that are good in php/mysql, is so then pls email me, as I am about 35 pm's behind on here and really have no time to look at them

abel@netwidesolutions.net

GO!!!!!
09-04-2007, 07:06 PM
Thats awesome news Able.... awesome...

I'd love to help if there is anyway i can...... not really good with PHP or SQL but any routine figures matching or etc etc, just let me know

very excited....

Doug
09-05-2007, 09:13 AM
Not a PHP guy, plus I'm swamped right now anyway.

able
09-05-2007, 01:14 PM
still the guy I was looking for Doug :D

I don't need that much help and I have two options atm, which I will discuss later tonight but I might need your parser and some adeptions if possible but we have 8 weeks for that :D

Also the draft will have to be done manual, as I see that as rather unimportant for the functionality of the program in this stage

It looks like I will be using Oracle after all, and the other option is to adept a football game in PHP/MySql but for future purposes I prefer Oracle as it is more sturdy

Anyway, will post about it later tonight

DisplacedKnick
09-05-2007, 04:23 PM
still the guy I was looking for Doug :D

I don't need that much help and I have two options atm, which I will discuss later tonight but I might need your parser and some adeptions if possible but we have 8 weeks for that :D

Also the draft will have to be done manual, as I see that as rather unimportant for the functionality of the program in this stage

It looks like I will be using Oracle after all, and the other option is to adept a football game in PHP/MySql but for future purposes I prefer Oracle as it is more sturdy

Anyway, will post about it later tonight

Manual Draft isn't a problem - we've done that before with the KL anyway.

We could even enter trades in manually if we had to.

able
09-05-2007, 10:41 PM
Ok as I said, I ahve two horses in this race atm, 1 is adepting an open-source football game, which means about 100 hours of work (or 200) to change a lot, advantage, the base is there, beit that all the algo's need changing, ut it looks a million bucks, has draft etc and some hooks for parsers.

the laternative is to use some new oracle tools, learn rapid and bukld it from scratch with some help from a friend, advantage it will work better, is more scaleable and can do a gazillion leagues in the future.
Negative on that one is that it will look **** ni the early days and there are no draft/trade options to start off with.

Ideally I would like to to the Oracle one, because it is scaleable and I can use the algo's used by (or likewise, you nay need to be a math genius to work them out) sports.ws.

either way it will be done, but as I said, count on the draft and trades for the time being outside of the program and perhaps in the early days some scores may have to be put in by hand as well, but we'll see :)

Jose Slaughter
09-06-2007, 01:06 AM
Thanks for all the work.

Sounds like option 2 is our best bet.

As Displaced Knick mentione above, the KL draft will be no biggie. Its just 3 rounds anyway. Theres seldom a trade in the KL but if we have one I'm sure it can be figured out.

If we don't get the ABA back up this fall at least we'll have something to build on down the road.

DisplacedKnick
09-06-2007, 07:08 AM
Thanks for all the work.

Sounds like option 2 is our best bet.

As Displaced Knick mentione above, the KL draft will be no biggie. Its just 3 rounds anyway. Theres seldom a trade in the KL but if we have one I'm sure it can be figured out.

If we don't get the ABA back up this fall at least we'll have something to build on down the road.

Yeah - IMO there are only 2 things the league itself has to do - set up matchups and calculate game scores. We can use this board as our trash talk page (be nice if we could get a special dispensation for 4-letter words but that's OK - I'll be nice to Scott if I HAVE to). :D

The KL is a different breed of cat - I can't tell you how impressed I am with the owners. The ABA's very good but the KL owners go a step above.

I don't think owners will be terribly upset if there isn't a player stats page - sports.ws didn't have one for a year or two. I think we're all able to calculate stats when considering trade deals/waiver pickups.

I do think we should have 3-4 people willing to enter trades and even manually update standings if we have to. Simple fact of from time to time I'll need to be gone for a few days at a time, particularly around Thanksgiving and this coming spring looks like several days in March. We'll have to figure out a schedule for who is "on duty" and a time for owners to expect those updates to be put in.

Unfortunately, I'm for crap when it comes to database management and scripting/coding. I can do simple html so if standings was a matter of updating and uploading a page I'm good - same for trade and roster pages. And teaching others, or putting together a template page for those wouldn't be a big deal.

I'm sure we'll talk details down the road but I am psyched - we can make this work.

Hicks
09-06-2007, 07:14 AM
What the **** are you talking about? ;)

DisplacedKnick
09-06-2007, 08:28 AM
What the **** are you talking about? ;)

:laugh:

sweabs
09-07-2007, 10:29 AM
**** ****ity **** ****.

Cool!

Mourning
09-07-2007, 11:07 AM
mother****er?


EDIT: :woohoo: it works!!! :yay:

DrBadd01
09-09-2007, 04:12 PM
This is Great news. :)

I look forward to the draft.

P.S. Able, I am not a coder ( don't even know HTML that well) but please let me know if I can do anything to help.

able
09-10-2007, 12:39 PM
OK for those of you wanting to stay in the loop, the downtime and outages announced on the front page are so I can make some system alterations and disksize alterations for the setup of the oracle database software.

just so you know :P

SycamoreKen
09-10-2007, 11:01 PM
This is really great news. I'm looking forward to getting the old system back. Could do without the swearing, but I guess I'll have to look past it.

burnzone
09-10-2007, 11:05 PM
Thanks for the update Able, your hard work is always appreciated.

Hicks
09-11-2007, 12:14 AM
This is really great news. I'm looking forward to getting the old system back. Could do without the swearing, but I guess I'll have to look past it.

Don't be such a school teacher. :tongue: ;)

SycamoreKen
09-11-2007, 11:39 PM
Don't be such a school teacher. :tongue: ;)

It actually has to do with the calling I have just answered, which is to go into the ministry. I start classes in November. I am having to do a lot of evaluation about what priority I give things in life now, but I should be able to give this the attention it deserves. If not, I will let Rim know and step away from it if that is what needs to happen.

That decision would not be because of all of you, but rather how I have to prioritize my time. I will still be around, I'm just not sure how much yet.

able
09-12-2007, 10:44 AM
tuut tuut is there anyone here who has a database of A: players and B:teams ?

(i.e. all players in the nba and all teams though the latter is less important)

(and players pref with pos, but that is not a "need")

the sooner the better : ) when this is in the databse I can start working on the algorythms :)

Doug
09-13-2007, 11:26 AM
tuut tuut is there anyone here who has a database of A: players and B:teams ?

(i.e. all players in the nba and all teams though the latter is less important)

(and players pref with pos, but that is not a "need")

the sooner the better : ) when this is in the databse I can start working on the algorythms :)

I don't anything current. Well, I could probably dump my "teams" table. That hasn't changed.

I can dump my players table, but that won't match what the NBA has. I had to do a fair bit of "work" to match what nba.com uses with what sports.ws used.

The best solution is to pull the player list from the site you are planning on pulling the stats from. That way it's a little easier to match the stats to the right player.

Pulling the XML from http://www.nba.com/players/ and extracting all elements with class="thePlayers" will give you the players and their names. The text of the node looks like "Last, First" and the href attribute contains the URL of the players information page.

Alternatively you can spin through the roster pages for each team http://www.nba.com/teamname/roster looking for elements with class=gSGPlayerLink which will give you the player URL and their name in "First Last". Their position is in the same HTML row, so you could probably get those, too.


I don't know if I will have time to do all of that myself - I know you need help and would help if I could. I'm still swamped though, mainly with football right now.

able
09-15-2007, 01:24 PM
I got all players/teams/pos from nba.com so for now what is settled :)

able
09-15-2007, 01:32 PM
Jose, are we continuing ABA as 2nd KL ?

if so send me roster/members/email :D (please)


(by email)

Hicks
09-15-2007, 01:40 PM
Isn't it always 1 keeper league and 1 "fresh" ABA league?

able
09-15-2007, 01:50 PM
afaik we have the DK KPL and the ABA with Jose, but I thought there was talk making that a KL as well :)

jost hope either he or DK send me their stuff today, as I am currently working up a sweat on that dbase setup :D

able
09-15-2007, 08:09 PM
Status report:

input page ready, nba_teams ready
nba_players ready
input page players ready
input page teams ready
change team ready

except for the data asked above most of the "base" is done.
We are now thinking about the schedule (formula to create that) and the input of the NBA schedule (which I have complete)

once that is done we can create the score pages, for which the formula's are worked out.

leaves the parsing of the records after that

Looks like we will be good for dummy run in about 2 weeks

GO!!!!!
09-18-2007, 06:57 PM
Awesome, I am very excited...