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Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

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  • #1

    Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

    Decent read. I like the note at the end

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_23015.shtml


    By Adrian Lawhorn
    for HOOPSWORLD.com
    Aug 13, 2007, 13:28


    Jamaal Tinsley has been wildly inconsistent and he has a long history of injuries. How much longer should the team stick with their enigmatic point guard?

    Tinsley was drafted by the Vancouver Grizzlies (they moved to Memphis later that summer) with the 27th overall pick in the 2001 NBA Draft (All-Star and NBA Finals MVP Tony Parker was the next player chosen). His rights were dealt three weeks later to Atlanta, who then traded his rights to Indiana for a future first round pick. Jamaal was the first rookie to start on opening night for the Pacers since Vern Fleming in 1984 and his NBA career started off well. A prime example of this was a dazzling triple-double performance against Michael Jordan and the Washington Wizards on November 22, 2001. Jamaal tallied 19 points, 11 rebounds and 23 assists on that magical night.

    The point guard's hot start led to high expectations, but over the years those expectations have only been met in short spurts. After a solid rookie year, Tinsley's play has become increasingly erratic and various injuries/illnesses began to dog him. After playing 80 of 82 regular season games in 2001-02, Jamaal has now missed a total of 133 games over his six-year career. Going into 2007-08, Jamaal Tinsley's NBA career is at a crossroads. Now 29 years old, one has to question if JT will ever become the consistent floor leader the Pacers need.

    There have been numerous media reports in recent years indicating the Pacers have had discussions about dealing Tinsley, but according to those accounts there was not much interest around the league. Aside from the deficiencies already mentioned, he comes with a long-term commitment - he's scheduled to make nearly $28 million over the next four years. Few teams are willing to take on that size of a contract, particularly if the player comes with baggage.

    In addition to his issues on the court, Tinsley has had some off the court as well. Included in this have been two separate incidents at bars/nightclubs where he was allegedly involved in physical confrontations. He was also once found in a nightclub parking lot with marijuana inside his vehicle, although no arrests were made as a result.

    When scouting Jamaal Tinsley, you realize he brings a mixed bag of pros and cons when he steps on the basketball floor. Tinsley is an excellent ball handler, one of the best in the league. He is so good with the basketball he can break a full-court press by himself, making that defensive strategy virtually useless when he has the ball in his hands. Jamaal is a clever penetrator and is equally adept at setting up teammates or shooting a runner in the lane once he gets into the paint. He's strong in the open court running the fast break. Generally, JT is a good and willing passer.

    Despite his skill level in some areas, Tinsley certainly has his flaws. He is not a good shooter. He's pretty effective when he shoots floaters/runners in the lane, but his shot outside of 15 feet is suspect at best. Despite this, he goes through periods where he takes far too many long-range two-point shots and three-pointers. His decision-making is poor at times, as he doesn't always know "when to do what" on the court. He can be solid defensively when he is focused on that end of the floor, but far too often he simply isn't. He always shows up for training camp in good shape but oddly lets himself get out of shape during the season, leading to endurance problems and nagging injuries.

    What should Indiana do with Jamaal Tinsley? He can be brilliant one moment, clueless the next. He'll suffer from various minor injuries mixed in with sinus infections and other annoying maladies that impact his availability. His trade value is very low, because despite his talent and flashes of excellence, other teams are not willing to take a chance on a player with his history who also comes with a 4-year contract obligation. If Indiana is not willing to trade Jamaal for less than market value, their only other option is to keep him and see how he performs in his seventh NBA campaign.

    Hanging onto JT may not sound like a great plan on the surface, but there is reason to be optimistic. Jim O'Brien becoming the head coach could do wonders for Tinsley's career. According to Pacers.com, Larry Bird recently stated, "I think Jimmy O'Brien will be the best coach for Jamaal, I really do. I know the working relationship they have will be the type of relationship Jamaal will buy into."

    In his brief time in Indiana, O'Brien has demonstrated good communication with his team and the ability to relate to players, which will help not only Jamaal Tinsley but the team as a whole. The style O'Brien wants to play should also suit Jamaal well - an open court, fast-paced style with great freedom to shoot the '3'. Tinsley is not a great three-point shooter, but his ability to deliver the ball to shooters and his ability to penetrate when the floor is spread do fit that style well. The more freedom JT is given on the floor, the better he tends to play. Jamaal will have much more freedom to run the team under O'Brien than he did under his previous coach, Rick Carlisle.

    Keeping Jamaal Tinsley around for at least one more season may happen out of necessity. Giving him one more chance to fulfill his potential may be forced upon the Pacers by circumstance. However, by this time next year, the team and its fans may look back and view this scenario as a blessing in disguise - and perhaps leave them just a little less frustrated they didn't end up with Tony Parker.

    On the rumor front, posters on several Pacers message boards are stating they have seen Richard Jefferson and Nenad Krstic over the weekend in various locations around Indianapolis. This information may be of the unconfirmed second-hand variety, but nonetheless will fuel speculation the Jermaine O'Neal to New Jersey trade is far from dead.
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    Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

    Who's Adrian Lawhorn? The bulk of thisarticle has been written several times over on every Pacer related message board. I still question how other GM's view Jamaal's contract. He's being paid an average amount for an above average player. It's not like he's "The Candy Man", Bender or Jared Jefferies making ridiculous money with nothing to show for it.I still question his off-court behavioral problems. I don't consider being present at a nightclub when another team member shoots a gun in what the legal system deemed a misdemeanor and allegedly being involved in another club squirmish over a six year period to be all that daunting. Jamaal's three point shot improved considerably over a two year span (.372) and then curiously dropped again last season. Another "sinus infection" sighting, those must have been the two most important games of the last decade with all the attention they get.
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    • #3
      Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
      Decent read. I like the note at the end

      http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_23015.shtml

      On the rumor front, posters on several Pacers message boards are stating they have seen Richard Jefferson and Nenad Krstic over the weekend in various locations around Indianapolis. This information may be of the unconfirmed second-hand variety, but nonetheless will fuel speculation the Jermaine O'Neal to New Jersey trade is far from dead.
      No kidding.......I think that timid should be listed as the informed source here.
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        Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
        Decent read.

        Decent?

        An absolute waste of my time, badly written, facts are not that and I can make a case that 50% of the posters on PD are better writers.
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          Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

          I just saw Shawn Kemp, Spreewell and Rodman all shooting around at Conseco in case any other writers need some exclusives.
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            Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

            Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
            I just saw Shawn Kemp, Spreewell and Rodman all shooting around at Conseco in case any other writers need some exclusives.
            I can just see the ESPN article now.
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              Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

              Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
              I just saw Shawn Kemp, Spreewell and Rodman all shooting around at Conseco in case any other writers need some exclusives.
              Don't forget that Chris Mullin was babysitting Kemp's kids...


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                Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                now i see why no one gives credit to hoopsworld.com - they just jock the message boards!

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                • #9
                  Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                  I stopped reading after their incorrect description of how we acquired Jamaal. Christ, is it that hard to go to NBA.com or wikipedia and look it up? Obviously, the interns at Hoopsworld weren't working hard enough for this one...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                    Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                    I stopped reading after their incorrect description of how we acquired Jamaal. Christ, is it that hard to go to NBA.com or wikipedia and look it up? Obviously, the interns at Hoopsworld weren't working hard enough for this one...
                    and here I thought I was losing my mind for thinking that we drafted him ourselves on draft night!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                      Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                      I stopped reading after their incorrect description of how we acquired Jamaal. Christ, is it that hard to go to NBA.com or wikipedia and look it up? Obviously, the interns at Hoopsworld weren't working hard enough for this one...
                      I thought we acquired him in a manner similar to what they describe? We didn't just draft him flat out, it was a trade that as I recall involved the Hawks and Grizzlies...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                        I think they did get it right.

                        Altanta drafted him with Vancouver's pick in a pre-arranged three-team trade. Shareef was involved, I think, which is why it wasn't official for a while.
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                          Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                          The pick orig. belonged to the Lakers who traded it to the Knicks in a 4 team trade who traded it to the Grizz with other players for Othello Harrington. Somehow the Hawks ended up with it and we traded with them.
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                            Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                            Originally posted by Hoopsworld

                            Tinsley was drafted by the Vancouver Grizzlies (they moved to Memphis later that summer) with the 27th overall pick in the 2001 NBA Draft (All-Star and NBA Finals MVP Tony Parker was the next player chosen). His rights were dealt three weeks later to Atlanta, who then traded his rights to Indiana for a future first round pick.
                            Here's my issue with it. They make it seem as if there was any doubt that Jamaal was going to play with any team but the Pacers. We wanted Tinsley and we wanted him bad. Anybody familiar with the situation should know that. We didn't just trade for his rights...we traded for that pick where Tinsley was drafted for us. The official announcements are another matter.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Should Pacers jettison Jamaal?

                              Atlanta traded the draft rights to Tinsley to the Indiana Pacers for a future first-round selection.
                              Vancouver chose Tinsley on behalf of Atlanta as part of a trade agreement.

                              It all went down on draftnight.
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