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vali_31
08-08-2007, 05:28 PM
I really, really dont think this belongs in the JO speculation thread but If it needs to be moved, no problem.

Q&A: WEDNESDAY, AUG. 8, 2007
J.O.: "I Want to be Here"



Editor's Note: In the wake of reports implying he wants to be traded from the Pacers, Jermaine O'Neal sat down for this lengthy Q&A with Conrad Brunner of Pacers.com to clarify his intentions as well as express his thoughts on the moves made this summer and their potential impact on the 2007-08 team.


Q. Let's start with the big one: where do you want to be in 2007-08?

A. I want to be here. I want to be a Pacer. All along, my concern has been the well-being of the team. Obviously, we haven't had the type of years we would expect for quite a few reasons. We've had a lot of distractions. But I have a lot of respect for this city and I hear where they're coming from, as far as wanting a winner. My whole thing, and I had a long discussion with Donnie (Walsh) about it, and also Larry (Bird), is the future of the team. If we're thinking about going extremely young, it doesn't make any sense to keep me because if we go extremely young, as a fan and as an athlete you know it takes years to get back to that competitive level. Out of respect, I know my contract takes up a lot of cap space and, all along, that conversation was just in case we were rebuilding. Do I think we're rebuilding? No. We haven't made the blockbuster move a lot of people expected whether it was me being moved or bringing in somebody else. We made some subtle moves which I think are pretty good for the type of team we have.
Obviously, when you lose, you want to really come back and prove as a team that we're better than we showed. This year is intriguing because we have guys like Ike Diogu, Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy who were thrown into a very tough situation. They came into a very hostile environment and they were taken out of a difficult situation in Golden State. So they never really got comfortable. Now they've had a half a year last year, they've had the summer and they'll have training camp and the preseason and the start of a fresh season to show what they can do. I'm excited about the guys we have. Do we have a championship contender as of right now? No, probably not. But we have just as much chance as Boston, as Miami, as Detroit because the game is won on the court and once you get a team that feels like it's together, that's a very dangerous thing.

Q. It seems obvious this team is being built with chemistry in mind, rather than just assembling as much talent as possible. How do you feel about the change of culture?

A. With the way the cap is and the technicalities of trading and signing guys, it's very difficult. I think Donnie and Larry have done as much as possible as far as trying to go get people. From what I'm seeing on the court, everybody's preparing themselves to do whatever they need to do for this team to be successful.

Q. Every summer you like to either add something to your game or improve a certain facet of it, but that's been difficult the past couple of years because of injuries. Where are you physically and how do you feel about your prospects for the coming season?

A. This is me talking just about my physical standpoint, but I feel really excited about my chances this year to get back to being dominant, to really being considered in that top five again. That's where I want to be. I've trained really hard this summer. It started off slow because obviously when you have surgery you have to go through that rough time but, man, I've hired a skills coach, Jerry Powell, who has an academy in New York and has worked with Al Harrington on his ballhandling and one-on-one skills, and he's tough. I really have trained this year to dominate. I really have. I'm swimming, and I've never swum in my professional career. I'm boxing, which is something I've tried but didn't sit well, but I've really taken it to hear to accomplish that particular skill. We're shooting a lot of jumpers. We're doing a lot of ballhandling stuff. You'll be surprised. I've always tinkered with shooting threes but if you were to go out and watch me shoot threes right now, you'd be like, 'wow.' We make up to 100 threes a day, and we shoot them every day. We shoot a lot of mid-range and we do a lot of stuff off the dribble. For the first time in my career, I'm taking vitamins. I'm on a strict diet with no fried foods. I'm here every single day. I'm making sure every small thing that gets sore is getting treated.
I'm excited. I think the coaches are excited. I had a long conversation with Coach O'Brien and he's a change of speed for us. I like his demeanor, I like his attitude, I like his persona, I like everything about him. Obviously, he hasn't coached me yet but the consensus of the guys that have been here is that we like him. He demands that the team be a certain way and he won't accept less. Not to say anything bad about Rick (Carlisle) because I thought Rick was a pretty good coach but sometimes a change of speed is good for a team. Obviously, Rick was put in a difficult situation with so many off-the-court issues but it's almost like a new life around here, as players and coaches. I think everybody looks at this year as doing a new year and we're going to do our best to win as many games as possible.

Q. Not to disparage Rick in any way but often when a team changes a coach, can't that by itself have a significant impact on a team?


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A. Fans live it through the media but we live it in our environment. When so much negative stuff happens, it wears on you. Sometimes you think, 'Is it better in another situation?' You're human. You have those thoughts. Is the grass greener elsewhere? But when Coach O'Brien was hired he sat me down and we had a great conversation for maybe an hour, hour-and-a-half and he let me know he really wanted me to be here, that he was a fan of what I can do as a player. That alone helps you rejuvenate your thought process. Any time you get a staff that has that much confidence in you, it means a lot to a player. To us, it's a new year.
What we want is for the fans to forget about what happened last year. We had a bad year but there's nothing we can do about that. We'd like the support of our fans because we have a great fan base. We have a lot of new guys and we want to be able to go out and put on a show and win as many games as possible.

Q. Is that why it's particularly important to you that the events of the past few days not be misrepresented, misunderstood or misinterpreted?

A. I knew it was coming when I saw the media out there (Sunday in Los Angeles) because there's been a lot of conversation about me coming out there, but they said there's been a lot of speculation about you coming to L.A. or New Jersey and would you allow that trade to happen? I said if the Pacers were to go in another direction and move me to either one of those teams, I would accept a trade with L.A. or New Jersey, if that's what they wanted to do. What they did was dissect it and say, 'Jermaine wants out of Indy.' I don't want out of Indy. I've told them time and time again I want the best situation for the Pacers. I want to be here. I want to be able to retire here, and I want to retire here as a champion. Obviously, everything isn't going to be good all the time. It just doesn't happen like that. You're going to have some tough years, and we've had some. I was blessed to come into a great situation where Reggie had really schooled myself and other young guys in a system that had been pretty well established. When he left, it was in the midst of two of the worst years probably in Pacers history in terms of off-the-court situations. But things happen and you try to be better people about it but we don't have those things going on anymore. It's a new situation.
Normally, when you hear players say something was taken out of context, it really wasn't. But in this case it really was and that's why I want to let people know my mind isn't anywhere else. When the summer first started, I may have gotten a little bothered by some comments about being shopped. I've always accepted that as a professional athlete; it's part of the business. But when you continuously hear it not only nationally but from your own backyard, that bothers you a little bit and you have to really sit back and say, 'This could be a reality.' I took it to Donnie, I took it Larry and I said, 'Let's talk about this. What direction are we going in?' And they said they didn't want to rebuild, they wanted to make the roster better and they made it clear if there was a deal out there that was going to make the team that much better and they had to use me, they would. I was OK with that because I want this organization to succeed, I want this city to be happy. This city, this organization, has given me the opportunity, the Simons, I can't say enough about those guys and Donnie came and got me from Portland, and this city gave me a chance. When I go anywhere in the world, people know me as an Indiana Pacer and that means a lot to me. I would never do anything in a negative way to cause embarrassment to this organization, or to throw dirt in this city's face.

Q. Looking at the roster moves that have been made, bringing in shooters like Kareem Rush and Travis Diener, it appears the intent has been to build around you, to find pieces that better complement you. How do you perceive those moves?


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A. I see it that way. When you look at the makeup of our team, with Mike Dunleavy who can come off screens or get his own shot; with Marquis Daniels coming back healthy as one of the few guys that can play multiple positions at his size; with Danny Granger, who can put the ball on the floor or post up or shoot the three; and with Shawne Williams, who can do pretty much the same thing. And when you see the additions of Kareem Rush, who's a perimeter shooter, Diener, who's a shooter, (Stephen) Graham, who's solid on both ends of the floor and Andre (Owens) is a pretty good shooter and a defensive specialist, we patched areas we just didn't have the previous year. If the guys who were here last year come in and do the necessary things for us to win, we'll be fine. From what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing from guys I haven't seen, guys are really working hard.
To me, there's going to be no more discussion about any trades. I've pretty much stayed quiet all summer about it. I don't want to be talking about it because if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. I want to concentrate on the guys we have. As of today, I'm a Pacer. Come Oct. 2, if I'm still here, I'm happy to be here. If I'm not here, it's because the organization has found another situation that can better the team, which is the bigger picture. I don't want this to be about whether Jermaine's going to be here or not. Ultimately, this organization has had a history of really good history of good players and they're going to have a history of even more good players. It's not going to stop with me. I'm comfortable where I am, my family's comfortable and I'm excited about the opportunity we have.
One thing that's been missing – and I think we had a great locker room before the trade because we had a lot of personality and guys were really funny – but the key thing when I look at that losing streak last year is that it never affected the locker room. Guys sat around and talked about what we needed to do and what we needed to stop doing but beyond that, guys stayed friendly with each other. It wasn't one guy over here, two guys over here, three guys over there. Sometimes, losing divides a locker room but we still did stuff together and that's a key sign. Maybe our time wasn't last year. This year, everybody feels like we're going to get the opportunity to do some things and when you bring in a new coach, everybody feels like they have a chance.

Q. You've said for the past few years, when the discussion has turned to running more, that there's a perception that style would not fit you well. But haven't you always welcomed the idea because it would allow you to better exploit your athleticism?

A. The biggest misconception about me running is that we have played in a very structured system over the last four years. When we take the ball out, the first thing we do is look over to the sideline for the play. You cannot run and there's no need to run if they're calling every play. And I was always designated to take the ball out. So when I get downcourt, everybody's already there. Those are two significant things. If we run more, the defense can't set up on me. If we walk the ball down and run set plays, it's easier to guard me, it's easier to beat up on me, to double- and triple-team me. I don't want to be in that position. I want to be in the position where we can get easy transition points. Our fast-break points were so low last year it was unbelievable. If we can get 18 to 20 points a game off transition, that'd be great. That'd be big for us.

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And then you look at a situation like Jamaal Tinsley's. As a point guard, he hasn't been given the reins to call the plays and that's one thing that has disappointed him a lot. He's a point guard that can really push it up and get guys the ball. We all know he can really pass the ball. But it really affects his game when he has to walk it down. He's never, ever been given the reins to just come out and call the play. We've talked about it but it just hasn't been that way.
I would definitely say to fans, there is a reason to be optimistic about this year. There's a big reason to be optimistic about this year. Everybody's into a new situation. We're out of a situation, and I'm not saying it was terrible, where it became predictable. All in all, I know people want to know whether I want to be here. Absolutely – especially after losing last year. That was the first time in my career I had to watch the entire postseason and you sit there and you think about that. It's like putting salt on a wound. You feel like you've failed and to a point you have failed. I have no problem taking the criticism. If you're the leader of the team and your team doesn't make it to the postseason, you deserve to take the criticism. No problem. But I'm going to go out and work harder.
The only thing I've asked of my organization is to keep putting pieces together. We would still like to add another big guy. Jeff Foster will run through a wall for us. We've got to have him. David Harrison is still working hard, rehabbing. But we still need one other guy. If we can get a group of three or four of us, I have no problem playing the four spot, especially if we're getting up and down because that's going to force teams to go smaller. But when we get into situations where we have to play halfcourt sets and I'm playing more minutes at the five than the four, then I'd rather have another big guy in there that can absorb those blows. I took a lot of charges last year, I blocked a lot of shots, I led the team in rebounding and I had to score a lot. That takes a toll. But all in all I'm healthy, finally. Do I think I'm going to get hurt this year? No. I've never walked into the season with the goal of playing 82 games the last three years because I knew what I was dealing with and I knew it was going to be a process of me getting my body together. A couple of times I walked into camp and I was still rehabbing. But this year, it's totally different. I've stayed around here – quietly – every single day. I only leave on the weekends. I'm here, I'm focused and I'm ready. For the critics out there, I appreciate them. I hear what they say. I criticize myself, too. Even though the last six or seven years I've been one of the most consistent 20-nine (points-rebounds) guys in the league, maybe in the top five. To me, that's not good enough. I take it personally when I hear other people being talked about on that elite level and all of a sudden I'm being pushed out of it. That is a major issue to me. This year, I'll be back. So bear with us, support us. Even if you don't want to support me, support the team because the team needs it. Everybody wants support from their friends and family. When you've got that support, the sky's the limit. When you come out and root loudly for us, that's really going to push us to the next level.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/oneal_qna_070808.html

Ok thats it Im a :sunshine: all the way from now on... Man this really feels great it feels different.:dance:

LAKERERIC
08-08-2007, 05:45 PM
Well, your boy is staying. Your front office obviously does not want young players for JO. They want him to lead the young core they have already. Obviously, this could drag into the season. Most likely, the Pacers will not make the playoffs. When Diener and Rush is your offseason and your GM is bragging, you know there are problems. I think JO feels a certain sense of obligation to the fans there following the whole Detroit thing. If he wanted out, he could push harder. But he is backing off. Will he opt out? If the Pacers are a non-playoff team, this could mean a deadline deal. Obviously, that will depend on how your team looks and how Bynum and Crittenton look. Maybe the Lakers will completely balk at the deal if they are playing well and Bynum makes a nice leap. Maybe the Pacers feel even better that they did not make the deal because JO is mixing with the youth and they are right in the hunt. Maybe he gets traded after next year, which would probably knock the Lakers out because of the salaries involved. Or maybe he does leave some money on the table, opts out, and hopes to obtain some of that money down the road to go to a team that has a chance to win a ring. That possibility has to at least be on the minds of Bird and Walsh as it was with McHale and Taylor.

2Cleva
08-08-2007, 05:48 PM
JO should be a politician.

avoidingtheclowns
08-08-2007, 05:53 PM
i think JO was the mysterious 3pt shooter larry was talking about

LoneGranger33
08-08-2007, 05:55 PM
i think JO was the mysterious 3pt shooter larry was talking about

Hahahahah, nice...
Great interview by the way. JO said all the right things, even if he did get a little cheesy at the end...

31andonly
08-08-2007, 05:58 PM
Yes, nice interview. JO's a classy guy!

Hicks
08-08-2007, 06:01 PM
I enjoyed that.

Oneal07
08-08-2007, 06:08 PM
That's my boy right there. . I know he will be here next year and run teams outta the gym!! That interview had me smiling, Can't wait for the season!!

Roy Munson
08-08-2007, 06:10 PM
Same old Big-Talk JO. His biggest problem is that he's so full of himself. So now, after being pretty ordinary the past couple years, he declares that he is again one of the top 5 players in the league!!!!

Based on WHAT?? Cuz he said so???

I gotta say, that interview was a real load of BS.

CableKC
08-08-2007, 06:10 PM
I don't know about you...but IMHO, this media blitz with JONeal since the CNNsi/ESPN article seems more like damage control to help restore the PR image of JONeal and ( indirectly ) the Pacers FO to the Pacer fanbase.

It's good to hear and all...but I guess it's needed given the uproar over all this.

I guess we can thank ESPN and CNNsi for that.

Roy Munson
08-08-2007, 06:12 PM
Yes, nice interview. JO's a classy guy!

If by Classy, you mean he's good at bragging about himself, and making declarations that he rarely backs up, then yes, I supposed he's kind of classy.

ChicagoJ
08-08-2007, 06:15 PM
Be careful....



:sunshine:

Trader Joe
08-08-2007, 06:24 PM
I can't be happy about anything until Reggie sticks his butt firmly back in a TNT seat.

NuffSaid
08-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Three things to add:

1. JO hasn't said anything in the interview concerning how he'd like to leave IF he were to be traded that he hasn't said before.

2. This may be damage control, but it's damned good damage control. :laugh: He sold me that the media spun the mess out of the initial interview, and after listening to the audio version, his interview on AM 1260 (http://www.wnde.com/pages/jmv.html) and reading his interview w/Bruno, I'm convinced JO was and has been sincere about wanting to stay here, win a championship and if not and "the wheels do fall off" cement a deal (trade) that would be a win-win for himself and the Pacers. I see nothing wrong with that.

3. If Bird/DW were smart they'd back off any trade involving JO at this point; save any "deals" until the trade deadline at the very least. To trade him now would turn out to be a slap in the face on the heals of a players who basically just kissed butt big time w/o selling his soul. :D Way to go, JO!

EDIT - (Sidenote: I know one other poster pointed it out in another thread, but I wanted to highlight the same observation just in case it didn't get noticed. Has anyone noticed that ESPN.com still has the original "JO trade demand" article along with a "JO Backpedals" article, but they have yet to post JO's "clarification" article. NBA.com (through the Pacers' website) has, though. Interesting...

Can you say, "that's our story and we're sticking to it" then laugh your **tt off?! )

Oneal07
08-08-2007, 06:32 PM
Yeah . . .NUFF SAID

blanket
08-08-2007, 06:42 PM
Same old Big-Talk JO. His biggest problem is that he's so full of himself. So now, after being pretty ordinary the past couple years, he declares that he is again one of the top 5 players in the league!!!!

Based on WHAT?? Cuz he said so???

I gotta say, that interview was a real load of BS.

Whoa.

Read it again:


Even though the last six or seven years I've been one of the most consistent 20-nine (points-rebounds) guys in the league, maybe in the top five.

He didn't claim to be among the top 5 players in the league; he's speculating that he's among the top 5 of players averaging 20/9.

And the fact is, he's right.

Only 4 players in the league have averaged 19/9/2 since 2000: Shaq, Duncan, Brand, and JO.

Doddage
08-08-2007, 07:04 PM
Only 4 players in the league have averaged 19/9/2 since 2000: Shaq, Duncan, Brand, and JO.
Don't forget about KG...

317Kim
08-08-2007, 07:09 PM
Oh, that's good to hear. I'm glad to hear JO speak and not the media for once.

:sunshine: fo' sho'.

blanket
08-08-2007, 07:23 PM
Don't forget about KG...

:blush:

I knew I was forgetting one. Still, top 5.

TheSauceMaster
08-08-2007, 08:25 PM
JO should be a politician.

Pretty much how I feel. He loves to spin the spin.

This article is about as fluffy as this rabbit.:bunny:

TheSauceMaster
08-08-2007, 08:27 PM
If by Classy, you mean he's good at bragging about himself, and making declarations that he rarely backs up, then yes, I supposed he's kind of classy.

So :censored: true.

Suaveness
08-08-2007, 08:31 PM
I'm glad he's swimming and boxing. That's really going to help him.

cramerica
08-08-2007, 08:38 PM
As much as I want to believe him, it's hard too. It does seem incredibly fluffified.

But I'll take the wait and see approach.

OnlyPacersLeft
08-08-2007, 08:43 PM
Well, your boy is staying. Your front office obviously does not want young players for JO. They want him to lead the young core they have already. Obviously, this could drag into the season. Most likely, the Pacers will not make the playoffs. When Diener and Rush is your offseason and your GM is bragging, you know there are problems. I think JO feels a certain sense of obligation to the fans there following the whole Detroit thing. If he wanted out, he could push harder. But he is backing off. Will he opt out? If the Pacers are a non-playoff team, this could mean a deadline deal. Obviously, that will depend on how your team looks and how Bynum and Crittenton look. Maybe the Lakers will completely balk at the deal if they are playing well and Bynum makes a nice leap. Maybe the Pacers feel even better that they did not make the deal because JO is mixing with the youth and they are right in the hunt. Maybe he gets traded after next year, which would probably knock the Lakers out because of the salaries involved. Or maybe he does leave some money on the table, opts out, and hopes to obtain some of that money down the road to go to a team that has a chance to win a ring. That possibility has to at least be on the minds of Bird and Walsh as it was with McHale and Taylor.

Please don't hide your dissapointment....:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
anyways I donno if i believe JO... I WANT TO...but i really don't know if he's being honest...:-/ *shrugs*

OnlyPacersLeft
08-08-2007, 08:46 PM
uhg why do i get the feeling that if the pacers start winning next year with this team we would be stupid and THEN trade him?

TheSauceMaster
08-08-2007, 09:07 PM
Really I don't see this team being better than .500 at the end of this season. Unless everyone else can take the weight off J.O. If J.O has to carry this team then he's just gonna be injured again.

Trading him may not be the ideal thing to do but at least their would be no expectations or disappointment. I just don't see J.O's trade value going any higher than it is right now. Unless he starts doing 20pointts , 20 Rebounds , a night and consistently on a nightly basis. Not just a few games here and there and then sputter , sputter.

madison
08-08-2007, 09:12 PM
The interview is welcome and well done. It seems sincere. Even if it's just damage control. For me, the interesting thing is that JO believes the Pacers of last season are better than their record, and wonders to behold, he thinks the moves made in the off-season for second tier players actually matter. I'm still in the skeptical camp. I don't think a team can be competitive without chemistry, but I don't think it's enough. Talent matters, too, and outside of JO and DG, we're not competitive at any other position. Oh, yes. Our bench is not a repository of hidden talent, either. JO says the new coach is going to make a big difference. Really? It seems a bit much to expect that a guy who's well into his third decade of coaching with a mediocre record has a style to unleash that converts below average talent into a conference champion. Miracles do happen, of course. But it seems to me we already had our big day last February with the Colts. Our luck may be all used up for awhile.

Shade
08-08-2007, 09:22 PM
Fantastic interview.

Btw, reading this...


The biggest misconception about me running is that we have played in a very structured system over the last four years. When we take the ball out, the first thing we do is look over to the sideline for the play. You cannot run and there's no need to run if they're calling every play. And I was always designated to take the ball out. So when I get downcourt, everybody's already there. Those are two significant things. If we run more, the defense can't set up on me. If we walk the ball down and run set plays, it's easier to guard me, it's easier to beat up on me, to double- and triple-team me. I don't want to be in that position. I want to be in the position where we can get easy transition points. Our fast-break points were so low last year it was unbelievable. If we can get 18 to 20 points a game off transition, that'd be great. That'd be big for us.

Could this explain the infamous "8 games in" situation from last season?

Shade
08-08-2007, 09:25 PM
Well, your boy is staying. Your front office obviously does not want young players for JO. They want him to lead the young core they have already. Obviously, this could drag into the season. Most likely, the Pacers will not make the playoffs. When Diener and Rush is your offseason and your GM is bragging, you know there are problems. I think JO feels a certain sense of obligation to the fans there following the whole Detroit thing. If he wanted out, he could push harder. But he is backing off. Will he opt out? If the Pacers are a non-playoff team, this could mean a deadline deal. Obviously, that will depend on how your team looks and how Bynum and Crittenton look. Maybe the Lakers will completely balk at the deal if they are playing well and Bynum makes a nice leap. Maybe the Pacers feel even better that they did not make the deal because JO is mixing with the youth and they are right in the hunt. Maybe he gets traded after next year, which would probably knock the Lakers out because of the salaries involved. Or maybe he does leave some money on the table, opts out, and hopes to obtain some of that money down the road to go to a team that has a chance to win a ring. That possibility has to at least be on the minds of Bird and Walsh as it was with McHale and Taylor.

Well, one thing that a lot of people seem to miss is that we were a pretty decent team post-trade until Quis went down, and it all fell apart from there. Part of my pessimism stems from the belief that Quis will not be able to stay healthy. But, if he can, I think we'll be better than people expect.

madison
08-08-2007, 09:34 PM
Wasn't Quis unhealthy his last season in Dallas, also?

Shade
08-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Wasn't Quis unhealthy his last season in Dallas, also?

Yes, which is why I'm pessimistic about his ability to stay healthy. But you never know.

Major Cold
08-08-2007, 09:55 PM
Wow. Some of you are trying to find a reason to hate on the Pacers.

Here have anotherhttp://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2416000-2416999/2416491_129_full.gif

LoneGranger33
08-08-2007, 09:57 PM
Does Haterade make a Lemon Ice flavor, because I was heart-broken when I found out that Gatorade had discontinued it...?

But seriously, you have to be a bit skeptical at this point. I mean, I try not to be, but I am.

TheSauceMaster
08-08-2007, 10:16 PM
Actions speak louder than words. Something J.O still hasn't learn after all these years. ;)

Major Cold
08-08-2007, 10:16 PM
I am a facts guy. So far there are no facts that said that JO wants out. But there are facts that he would like to stay. Damage control or He wants to stay?

You people are taking the side of a reporter who was an intern last year over Donnie, Bird, and JO. Are you Pacer fans? Or absolute skeptics anything the Pacers come up with. Everything is a Conspiracy Theory. Now ever since that idiot ref got caught betting.

Just because the Pacers had their first non-playoff season in over a decade doesn't mean that everything rumor or transaction is an attempt by Bird to destroy the earth. Stanko, Diener, and Rush are not the only changes we have had this summer. Do you remember that we got a new coach? 11 years olds think that it is only players that make the team.

Pop, Riley, Brown, Jackson are coaches that made differences for their teams with the right players. We may be far off player and even coach wise. But you have to agree that we are in a better situation that mid-season last year. JOB is the difference this year. A rejuvenated JO is the difference this year. The lack of off court issues may be the difference this year (unless Tinsley decides to pull off a Pacman Jones triad of off court issues).

You can suspect failure all you want. But it is beginning to look like people are looking for reasons to b1t(*.

Shade
08-08-2007, 11:10 PM
Wow. Some of you are trying to find a reason to hate on the Pacers.

Here have anotherhttp://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2416000-2416999/2416491_129_full.gif

Why would I want Haterade? Will I get a snazzy hat if I drink it?

jeffg-body
08-08-2007, 11:17 PM
I have to agree with the old Hatorade feeling we have gotten lately about JO. I hope he retires a Pacer and think he is a good team leader, just not a vocal one. Reggie was a great leader and those are a very rare once in a 20 year time find. JO is a good leader, but it is unfair to compare leadership skills to him right now. I have to harp on the "that we need another shooter" and Reggie has not been contacted? Would he rather play in Boston or where he would be treated like a God.

Rumor that JO is not a team player and has attitude issues? I was like WTH!JO does thing for our franchise and team that few others do. He takes the double and triple teams every night only to pass it out to the perimeter so he can hear a brick clank. Half of the time he gets the ball in a bad spot and with no time after our perimeter guy has lost his confidence. He then has to heave up a fade away jumper from 17 feet away. He gets to have to try to cover the slashing guard who just got by our o`le defense. Bottom line this guy is the best player we have and would be the best player on 75% of the other teams in the league.

The last thing I wish we would quit letting that haterade spill on him about is his salary. Professional atheletes understand that their window to make money is a very small one indeed. The FO offered him the deal and he accepted it. I look at it like my job. They pay me a yearly salary and I do real well and get a nice raise. I get into a workplace accident that sidelines me for a few months, like a broken leg. I still get paid and when I come back I am treated the same. Shouldn't the same amount of respect be given for JO? Everyone says he is way overpaid, but I don't see it. He is not that far under KG, but his game is different. JO is a great scoring, defending, shot blocking, rebounding PF. KG is a great scoring, average defending, average shot blocking, atheletic in jumping and finishing, a little bit of o`le defense on the perimeter. They both are top 10 PF'd in the league right now, but they do very different things on the court. Is a perfect Apple taste any worse than a perfect orange?

Major Cold
08-08-2007, 11:21 PM
as much as I would like less hating, lets not swing the pendulum 100% the other way.

JO is not God. JO is not crap. He is somewhere in the middle.

Shade
08-08-2007, 11:40 PM
as much as I would like less hating, lets not swing the pendulum 100% the other way.

JO is not God. JO is not crap. He is somewhere in the middle.

Maybe he's a crappy god? :shrug:

LoneGranger33
08-08-2007, 11:43 PM
as much as I would like less hating, lets not swing the pendulum 100% the other way.

JO is not God. JO is not crap. He is somewhere in the middle.

Isn't every human being? It's a large spectrum is what I'm saying here.

Naptown_Seth
08-08-2007, 11:54 PM
as much as I would like less hating, lets not swing the pendulum 100% the other way.

JO is not God. JO is not crap. He is somewhere in the middle.
Off to ignore. I have no use for any opinion not positioned well off the center, let alone laced with the slightest taint of reason. Disgusting.


I just don't see how a guy like me who thinks this team is high lottery talent can hear this stuff and say "hmmm, perhaps" while other people remain livid. I mean I really did think I was the most pessimisstic person at PD after last season, but I'm not even in the ballpark I guess.


I'm sure the 8 game rant was "this crap ain't working". Why? Because it wasn't, it was awful and sloppy and just a mess. Now after that they went back to "normal" rather than letting JO run more and not having to check with Rick, etc.

So from his comments here it doesn't sound like he really got what he wanted after his rant, other than perhaps "if we are going to play your way then we shouldn't run at all, don't mix 2 different styles and waste our time".

He does have a very legit opinion regarding his own running, he NEVER was the breakout guy. Of course there is a reason, it's called 2-3 blocks plus 1-2 charges taken every game because you are constantly asked to defend at the rim after someone gets beat. I do think that can change with Harter/JOB. If it does, if they can get stops without JO sitting deeper than anyone else on the court at the point of possession change (meaning closest to the Pacer baseline) then you could see some interesting, aggressive offense from JO.


Shade - I agree on Quis. I have more faith in Dun finding his 3 ball than I do of Quis going 75 games next year. I would freaking love to be wrong on both counts because that would be a huge lift to the team.

naptownmenace
08-09-2007, 12:12 AM
Fantastic interview.

Btw, reading this...



Could this explain the infamous "8 games in" situation from last season?
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You know I always thought that having your best player take the ball in after made shots made no sense.

I'm really eager to see this team play and they deserve to at least have up to the All-Star break before we render judgement. I think that with the additions of Rush and coach O'Brian coupled with a healthy JO and Daniels, the Pacers should be able to win at least 45 games. They'll definitely be more competitive this year than last.

Major Cold
08-09-2007, 01:58 AM
Shade your avatar is the best ever.

Please do not quote me just on tat post alone. If you read my other (#35) you would understand that I am saying.....forget it

bellisimo
08-09-2007, 04:54 AM
I'm just more interested to see TINSLEY and how he performs this year...from the interview that was the one thing that caught my eye the most...

able
08-09-2007, 06:04 AM
I'm just more interested to see TINSLEY and how he performs this year...from the interview that was the one thing that caught my eye the most...

After reading that interview, which I felt confirmed what I was thinking and reading anyway, I was amazed that no one latched on to the "beating" RC gets here, and most amazingly; the faith in Jamal Tinsley.

Jo's words are almost a token of friendship and most certainly insight into JT's performance under RC and paint a totally different picture some here want to see.

I hope they both stay and show us why some of us (MR, me) still have high hopes for them.

31andonly
08-09-2007, 06:05 AM
I'm just more interested to see TINSLEY and how he performs this year...from the interview that was the one thing that caught my eye the most...

Exactly, I think / hope / believe that he does well under a new coach and new system!
He definitely has the talent to be one of the better point guards in the league..at least I think so from what I've seen in his first years in the NBA.

bellisimo
08-09-2007, 07:36 AM
Exactly, I think / hope / believe that he does well under a new coach and new system!
He definitely has the talent to be one of the better point guards in the league..at least I think so from what I've seen in his first years in the NBA.


thats why he drove me insane the last season! he has the talent - but sometimes gets a bit too caught up with things and just loses it!

As long as he doesn't turn the game into a one-on-one with the opposing point guard and gets his teammates involved - I like how he plays...

Doug
08-09-2007, 09:25 AM
as much as I would like less hating, lets not swing the pendulum 100% the other way.

JO is not God. JO is not crap. He is somewhere in the middle.

By 'middle', is that the mean or the median?

Hopefully, mean.




// this is one of those jokes that was much funnier in my head...
// You see, if JO is near the average (mean) between God and crap, he's
// much, much closer to God, assuming God's infinite powers extend to the
// basketball court -and that's pretty much what infinite powers do.
// But if he's the median, he's right where he was.

// See, I told you it was funnier in my head. I gotta stop posting
// once I realize that.

Oneal07
08-09-2007, 09:34 AM
It's funny how people would trade JO for LO and Bynum. . I'm sure they are better leaders thn Jermaine!!

/Note sarcasm

I mean this guy plays hurt and gets no love from these fans onthe board!!! Some of you guys are ungrateful

ChicagoJ
08-09-2007, 11:38 AM
After reading that interview, which I felt confirmed what I was thinking and reading anyway, I was amazed that no one latched on to the "beating" RC gets here, and most amazingly; the faith in Jamal Tinsley.

Jo's words are almost a token of friendship and most certainly insight into JT's performance under RC and paint a totally different picture some here want to see.

I hope they both stay and show us why some of us (MR, me) still have high hopes for them.

I had a lot of thoughts about those comments (:sunshine: ) but figured that PD would have a collective heart attack if I went after them.

That certainly sounded like the #1 reason I had wanted Carlisle fired for a long time - that's no way to have a relationship with your PG.

Naptown_Seth
08-09-2007, 12:35 PM
I had a lot of thoughts about those comments (:sunshine: ) but figured that PD would have a collective heart attack if I went after them.

That certainly sounded like the #1 reason I had wanted Carlisle fired for a long time - that's no way to have a relationship with your PG.
I can agree actually, but the results just paint a totally different picture.

If JO was my kid telling me a story about how the lamp got broke I'd need some proof still since the story doesn't match the results. I'm sure he's very favorable in his views of Isiah, but somehow the worse coaching by Rick got them farther? Something doesn't add up.

JO's angle will look a lot better if this team rolls along fairly well under JOB...but then since I hold things to results that is obviously true. If JOB wins at a much better rate with this group then I'd quickly concede that at least for these players he's a better coach and it's good they moved Rick.

But if this is more 30-35 wins stuff then it proves that it wasn't Rick after all, despite JO's POV on the subject.


The good news is that it can get a definite answer one way or the other, at least IMO.

And I noted that some of what JO has said made sense so I'm not discounting that he's correct in the least. Just that 61 wins doing things "the wrong way" is hard for me to understand.

Kegboy
08-09-2007, 12:51 PM
Does Haterade make a Lemon Ice flavor, because I was heart-broken when I found out that Gatorade had discontinued it...?

No!!!! ****, good thing I don't march anymore.

Anyway, this article was very enjoyable, right up until Jermaine trotted out his same-old song-and-dance about needing another Big. God, why does he have to be such a ****ing pussy about playing the 5? Maybe our Mystery PF can teach him to man-up.

I want to believe everything will magically be better under Dick and Jimmy, but when I objectively look at the roster, I don't see it. The only player I see it really impacting (thanks Jay) is Tinsley. If he steps up and plays great, that's wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that a team with Jamaal Tinsley as it's second-best player isn't going anywhere.

ChicagoJ
08-09-2007, 12:54 PM
I don't think Jamaal has ever been our second best player. Granger and Dunleavy ARE better. But that's why I would cringe when he'd be used as the #2 scoring option, even post-trade.

jeffg-body
08-09-2007, 12:56 PM
The Q&A did make me feel a ton better about JO and the team in general. JO is starting to take that leadership role and run with it. Hopefully this will be the year he takes control. I have been thinking about JT and I agree that he should do better next year with some freedom to be creative and flexible. RC did take a bit of a beating in general, but in my opinion some was justified.

When the trade rumors first came out I was right there with a lot of people thinking the LO/Bynum trade was a great deal, but now I am less infatuated with the idea. LO=attitude/Bynum= a maybe good one day. Right now we have a healthy and working hard JO; a JT who will have some imput on what type of play he has to do; a year older, stronger and better DG, Ike, Shawn, Quis and DH and a Dun and Murph who has worked all off season to improve their games. We have a good deal of talent and depth. We may not have a big three, but what happens if 2 of those guys go down.

Everyone is acting like we are Memphis or Atlanta. Remember we were fighting for the 4th seed before the trade. JOB has brought a lot of enthusiasm and excitement to the players and you can see they are buying into his plan which is the most important thing.

Since86
08-09-2007, 01:52 PM
He had the questions to this interview long before it actually happened, or it didn't take place in person.

JO has always said the right thing. Remember when he talked about how him and Ron were getting along great and how Ron started to go bowling with him and stuff? Painted it like they were the best of pals and the chemistry would be great. :bs:

Some of you are recognizing that's its damage control, yet getting wrapped up in what he said. You know it's supposed to be a fluff piece and for him to say what you want to hear. It's not his true beliefs if it's a spin piece.

One major problem I've had is all this talk about how he was saying "if the Pacers rebuild, I want traded." Well now he's saying he believes that they aren't rebuilding, but retooling with guys that compliment his skill set.

Then why in the freaking world would you even need to say anything about rebuilding? Obviously you know it's not happening this offseason, and there's no point in starting to talk about next offseason, so what's the point?

I think he just wants out of Indiana, and using the rebuilding excuse was the easiest to come up with. I think he sees this team as a #7 seed or lower and doesn't want to fight tooth and nail to just get into the playoffs.

I just can't get all brightened up to read something I could have predicted he would say. He's just spinning the situation, and isn't being truthful (IMHO).

DisplacedKnick
08-09-2007, 02:45 PM
I'm very glad that JO was able to withstand the withering, hard-hitting investigative journalism of Conrad Brunner. That he was able to do so against such an antagonist would certainly make me feel better if I was a Pacers fan.

BTW - what are the odds that JO's agent sent Conrad the questions in advance?

ChicagoJ
08-09-2007, 02:47 PM
I think it was more of TPTB sent JO and Conrad both the questions and answers in advance.

I don't care that it was a PR piece. The Pacers haven't even been good at PR in recent years.

Kegboy
08-09-2007, 03:06 PM
I think it was more of TPTB sent JO and Conrad both the questions and answers in advance.

I don't care that it was a PR piece. The Pacers haven't even been good at PR in recent years.

What was the thing about PS&E hiring a branding firm a couple weeks back? Maybe the last few days have all been their handiwork.

Roy Munson
08-09-2007, 04:06 PM
The Q&A did make me feel a ton better about JO and the team in general. JO is starting to take that leadership role and run with it.

STARTING???!!!

Where have you been?

JO has been tooting his horn and thumping his chest for four years about what a great leader he is and how he's going to this, and how he's going to do that...blah blah blah blah blah....

I'm so sick of hearing his hollow boasts I'm about to stick a fork in my eye.

Note to JO: Just SHOW me how great you are, cuz I'm not interested in hearing you TELL me.

SparkyPacer
08-09-2007, 04:21 PM
What else can he do but talk during the off-season? There would have been hell to paid if he hadn't said anything after that damning espn article.

JayRedd
08-09-2007, 04:32 PM
As a wise, wise man once told me: Some stay dry and others feel the pain.

docpaul
08-09-2007, 04:48 PM
Heh... after reading the various responses to this whole fiasco over the past couple of days, I'm convinced that there's nothing leadership or the team could do at this point to satisfy some fans. For those of you out there just ticked with the team, why not wait and allow the games to be played? I suspect that the bar has been set so low with some of you, that they could do nothing but pleasantly surprise. :)

Me personally? I'm actually happy that this incident happened. In the backlash (and responses) to all of this, we've actually learned quite a lot about what's been going on in the off season, which is good to hear about. It should be abundantly clear that we're not moving JO any time soon, and that the leadership (and team for that matter) believes they are better than they appeared last year. Everyone acts like all of the responses and what is said in public is a large conspiracy to hide the fact that noone wants to be here in Indianapolis to play for the poor, miserable Pacers.

Do some of you have that much of an inferiority complex for your team and city? :)