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Kstat
07-26-2007, 12:03 PM
http://www.nysun.com/article/59194


New Orleans owner George Shinn just sold 25% of his franchise to Louisiana investors, and a Michigan-based group is looking to buy the Portland Trail Blazers.

This brings to mind Gordon Gund's sale of the Cavs after they drafted LeBron.

After being such an unattractive franchise for years, is Paul Allen simply spending now to cut his long-term losses and increase the selling price of his franchise?

Meanwhile, I think Shinn selling even a fraction of his power over the Hornets has to be greeted with applause.

Gyron
07-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Shinn just got full control over them last year. He had to borrow $70 Million to buy his partner that wanted out so bad. Now he's having money problems and had to find someone to bail him out of that $70 Million loan. I don't think its going to improve anything for them though. Pretty much anything that Shinn touches turns to crap.

Naptown_Seth
07-26-2007, 12:47 PM
Meanwhile, I think Shinn selling even a fraction of his power over the Hornets has to be greeted with applause.
Anyone that follows the NBA closely knows that the main reason the Hornets were sent packing from Charlotte was Shinn and his awful behavior. The fans refused to support him as his screwing over of people kept making headlines.

This guy being removed from the NBA would be a huge benefit to the league. One of the great scumbags of our era.

RWB
07-26-2007, 01:11 PM
Anyone that follows the NBA closely knows that the main reason the Hornets were sent packing from Charlotte was Shinn and his awful behavior. The fans refused to support him as his screwing over of people kept making headlines.

This guy being removed from the NBA would be a huge benefit to the league. One of the great scumbags of our era.

I don't pay attention to other teams much, but I have to ask was/is Shinn as bad as the Colts Tiger Bob?

TripleThreat
07-26-2007, 02:03 PM
Anyone that follows the NBA closely knows that the main reason the Hornets were sent packing from Charlotte was Shinn and his awful behavior. The fans refused to support him as his screwing over of people kept making headlines.

This guy being removed from the NBA would be a huge benefit to the league. One of the great scumbags of our era.
Talking with friends of mine in Charlotte...Shinn was also wearing thin on the locals being out hustling and bustling with young hot babes, while his wife was at home.

You jes don't pull dat stuff in the bible belt, man!!!

owl
07-26-2007, 02:55 PM
Talking with friends of mine in Charlotte...Shinn was also wearing thin on the locals being out hustling and bustling with young hot babes, while his wife was at home.

You jes don't pull dat stuff in the bible belt, man!!!

I don't think that would go over well most anywhere, but certainly not there.

Gyron
07-26-2007, 03:01 PM
I live in Charlotte. They practically ran the man out of town with torches.

Pretty much everyone in town hated the man. He not only was running around wiht them, he was brought up on rape and harrassment charges here in Charlotte by one of the Carolina Panthers Cheerleaders I believe. He got off on th charges, but it was not helpful to them trying to get funding to the new stadium.

Naptown_Seth
07-26-2007, 03:53 PM
He also fired Dick Harter the day his brother died from cancer.

People didn't exactly respect his business practices either, though I don't recall any actual legal issues in that regard.

Here's a good RealGM article on Shinn just before he moved the team to NO.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/12191/20020207/the_rise_and_fall_of_george_shinn_and_the_hornets/

A sample detailing some of his issues

Despite a charitable side of Shinn that now gets overlooked, it was through a series of both personal and public actions by him and his team that prompted their dramatic drop in popularity.

The most damaging was a charge of sexual assault against Shinn in 1997. Although he never officially was charged criminally, and he prevailed in a civil trial, the incident angered fans and community leaders.

It became a messy dispute that became popular viewing for two weeks on Court TV. And it remained front-page news for almost two years in Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/). During the civil trial, two other women -- a Hornets (http://hornets.realgm.com/) dancer and a Hornets (http://hornets.realgm.com/) office worker -- also claimed Shinn had sexually harassed them.

After Shinn had painted himself as a religious man with high moral character, after he portrayed himself as a family man, his flaws were accentuated.

"Had that happened in New York (http://knicks.realgm.com/), or some other place, people would not have taken it so seriously," said Kenny Gattison, former Hornets (http://hornets.realgm.com/) player and front-office employee now coaching at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va. "But this is the Bible Belt, and people took it personally."

There were many other factors in his fall from grace through his years as the owner. Among them:


A lawsuit he won against his original limited partners -- to force them out -- allowing him to take total control.


The firing of his first coach, Dick Harter, on the same day that Harter's brother died of cancer.


The hiring of a past team president and attorney who had been accused of smuggling marijuana and representing mob clients in Florida.


Losing Mourning and several other of his best players because he was unwilling to pay market value to keep them in Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/).


His first threat to move the team to Fort Mill, S.C., when he was trying to renegotiate his original lease with the city.


His refusal to put up just $13 million so that a new arena could be built five years ago with mostly public money.


His rejection of the enormously popular Jordan, which would have assured that the new arena would be built in Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/).


The legal problems of his players, five of which were charged with various crimes over a two-year period. The most serious came when Hornets (http://hornets.realgm.com/) player Bobby Phills (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/403/bobby_phills/) was killed in a wreck while drag racing.

"I am hard-pressed to believe that there is an ownership group more despised in any market than the Hornets (http://hornets.realgm.com/) owners are here," said Mark Packer, a popular sports radio host in Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/). "Every single PR move they could possibly have made has been a disaster."

Gyron
07-26-2007, 04:09 PM
There was also the illegal Rave for teens that the hornets allowed to happen in their practice facility just before the vote for the New Arena. It got busted of course....

There were just so many things that he did or allowed to happen while here in Charlotte that ensured that they would be leaving. A huge group of business people here in Charlotte even got together and offered Shinn more than market value to purchase the Hornets so they could stay in Charlotte, and the city would have backed them for the new arena, but Shinn flat out refused.

He burned so many bridges for the NBA in this city its not even funny.

Now with Bob Johnson and the Bobcats, he's made a mess of things here too, which is sad because they have a beautiful arena, and decent players with decent reputations. They are well known in the city to be the worst professional sports organization business wise in the state. They continue to step on their own dicks year after year here. So unless the bobcats become ultra successful, don't look for a huge NBA backing in Charlotte anytime soon.

Naptown_Seth
07-26-2007, 04:15 PM
Didn't realize the Bobcats were having those issues. I have yet to go to the new arena. I'm only in town for holidays with relatives since my dad passed away a few years ago. I do really like what's been done with downtown, including adding the inner loop highway. I've been wanting to check out the new arena since they built it.

I'll have to get in a Pacers road trip at some point. Hey, only 9 hours driving for a game, not so bad. :)

Gyron
07-26-2007, 04:55 PM
Its a beautiful arena that was based upon the design on Conseco Fieldhouse. They did a really good job with it. I love their club level seating that has essentially desks for you to sit at with your own flat screen monitor that you can look at the stats and replays on.

The suites are awesome. I really like their arena and have been to several games there.

Their business side and commmunity relations not so good.

I also do some markeitng work for one of the large charities in Charlotte. But unless you are a charity for african americans you can almost forget getting any local support out of the Bobcats. Not that it surprises me because of the ownership, but they are complaining about attendance and their community perception and they don't do much at all to change it. Last I heard they were also hemmoraging money as well. The local ownership partners have been asked to pony up additional funds several times now to keep the team afloat. So if something doesn't change for them in the future, I would look for them to be for sale. It'll be interesting to see how the team does this year.

ABADays
07-26-2007, 05:33 PM
Wow - that's not good. Especially for future potential black owners. Man, I remember being so jealous of the huge crowds the Hornets drew there for a while.