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pianoman
07-26-2007, 12:02 PM
If there aren't any major moves in the EC, here is what I think of the teams.

Detroit Pistons- plain and simple:getting weaker every offseason. If C-web is not returning, they will only have Mcdyess. I think they will be a 4 seed in the playoffs.

Chicago bulls- will win the confrence. #1 seed. This group is coming together and will challenge any WC team.

Cleveland Cavs- Still a good team, but I think LeBron is in JO's position. He is carrying the team. Without him, they would be a 20 win team. He has had ankle probrlems and it could prove to be a problem. I see them as a 5 seed.

Milwaulkee Bucks- still very weak. Not a playoff team. Even though Redd will be one of the highest scoring players in the league, they need another star next to him to really do some damage. 10'th in the East.

Philedelphia 76'ers- will be a better team, yet, they probrably will get 9'th place in the East.

Miami Heat- Weak. I would put them in 3'rd. Shaq is getting weaker and DW is the only other guy on the team that is really good, but they will make a playoff push.

Charolette bobcats- Finally Playoffs for them. i give them the 8 seed. they will definately be over .500.

New York Knicks- I see in the 6'th seed. they will be a dangerous team this season.

atlanta Hawks- still very weak. 11'th place.

Orlando Magic-#2 seed. Very great and dangerous team. their cap space in the next 3-4 years will really suck.

New Jersey nets- Will not make the playoffs but they will look good this year.

Boston Celtics- will be much better this year with Ray allen but still need a healthy PP.

Toronto Raptors- 7'th seed. pretty healthy.

Indiana Pacers- 5'th place. Will shock everyone and Obrien will win COY.:dance:

so it this was true, the playoffs would turn out to be

Chicago vs. Charolette
Orlando vs. Raptors
Heat vs. Knicks
Detroit vs. Pacers

Chicago vs. Orlando
Pacers vs. Heat:)
Chicago vs. pacers:happydanc

Yeah I think the P's can be in the 5 seed and ECF. Just watch. I like Raps vs pacers because it really comes down to JO vs CB. and we match up really well to Miami.

This is just my prediction. It might sound unrealistic to some, but I can hope can't I??

Kstat
07-26-2007, 12:06 PM
so it this was true, the playoffs would turn out to be

Chicago vs. Charolette
Orlando vs. New Jersey
Heat vs. Knicks
Raptors vs. Pacers



Sweet...we don't even make the playoffs. :laugh:

hopes and dreams, baby!

indyman37
07-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Milwaulkee Bucks- still very weak. Not a playoff team. Even though Redd will be one of the highest scoring players in the league, they need another star next to him to really do some damage. 10'th in the East.
I really think Milwaukee will be in the playoffs. Michael Redd coming back, Maurice Williams has emerged as a legit starting pg, and they just added Desmond Mason. Andrew Bogut and Charlie V. continue to get better. So I see no reason why they shouldn't make the playoffs or at least make 7th seed.

But all in all, the Indiana Pacers will be at the bottom of the division once again.

pianoman
07-26-2007, 12:27 PM
missed that. they will be in the playoffs.

pianoman
07-26-2007, 12:28 PM
how do you see the pacers being at the bottom of the EC. We were just not together last year. This year will be different

Mourning
07-26-2007, 12:30 PM
I think the Hawks might actually be decent for sometime this year and IF the Bucks don't suffer from the same injury bonanza and keep Patterson they might surprise aswell. The Magic will be better, absolutely and the Bobcats will also certainly be quite stronger... still a very young team though.

Unclebuck
07-26-2007, 12:37 PM
I really haven't given it much thought, except to say the Bucks will be better than the Bobcats, and the pacers will be the worst team in their division

avoidingtheclowns
07-26-2007, 12:39 PM
1) Pistons - no one else has made a move to truly challenge them... they've always been a great regular season team under flip. no reason for that to change losing CWebb (possibly), Delfino and adding rookie depth.

2) Raptors - were it not for injuries, i think they would have destroyed the nets. they've added a sharp shooter in kapono, depth in delfino and baston. they've got bosh who now has playoff experience, bargnani who will be in year two, nice backcourt with ford, parker, calderon and dixon... dangerous team methinks.

3) Bulls - going to struggle at times during the regular season but will always come on strong at the end. won't be enough to top detroit, but they'll be close.

4) Wizards - unless miami makes some major moves they're in trouble. orlando has improved but has a weak frontline. i think the wiz and magic slug it out and that the wiz come out on top.

5) Cavs - haven't made any major moves when they needed something else to get them over the hump. they disappointed in the finals but at least they got there. they'll have bad stretches during the season to go along with the good ones. enough for #5.

6) Magic - like i said above, certainly have made improvements, but have weak frontline depth and have JJ Reddick as their lone true SG. Van Gundy will help certainly but i think they've got too many questions at the moment to pencil in at #1 in the SE

7) Nets - Always seem to wind up in the playoffs regardless of their quality of play or injuries.

8) Celtics - I think they squeak in adding allen to the lineup and with the maturing of jefferson and rondo.

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9) Bobcats - i want to put them in, but i think at this point they'll just miss out. they've improved on paper quite a bit and with emeka maturing this could be a team to watch.

10) Pacers - will have ups and downs, better defense but take a ton of 3s and few rebounds. not sure if we have the offensive talent to win with this style in year one. health is also a concern

11) Heat - wade may not be enough. who knows how much shaq will play. they've lost kapono, they're a mess at SF and PG. how long until riles bails?

12) Knicks - at times will be unstoppable up front with zach and eddy offensively dominating. other times will be a disaster with too many people wanting to score too much of the time. add to that they are two of the worst defending bigs in the league and all of the other chemistry issues...

13) Bucks - health is always an issue. if healthy they could sneak into the playoffs but who knows. mason was a nice pick up but enough?

14) Hawks - will improve this year but not enough to contend, still quite young

15) Sixers - young team mostly, will struggle for a while.

Roy Munson
07-26-2007, 12:39 PM
Pacers in 5th? I don't think you're even close.

What the optimists are banking on is that JOB will be a big upgrade over Rick Carlisle. My opinion is that it will be just the opposite. I believe the Pacers are going from one of the very best NBA coaches to an average coach.

Carlisle took the heat and most of the blame last year, but the reality is that the Pacers had a very poor team. I'll be surprised if they win 35 games in 2007-2008. Especially if they hang on to Jermaine "Over-inflated opinion of himself" O'Neal.

pianoman
07-26-2007, 01:05 PM
RC was a pushover in the locker room. He didn't lay down rules to the players. something Obrien will bring.

ABADays
07-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Oops - misread the title. I thought is said Broken Down Eastern Conference.

Will Galen
07-26-2007, 01:30 PM
I know this was just done in fun, but I think I'm going to wait until I know who's going to be on the team before making any predictions on where the Pacers will wind up in the standings.

As of right now I think they would make the playoffs.

Oneal07
07-28-2007, 10:37 AM
Doesnt make sense. . .Raps or NJ can be 3rd or 4th in the east because they are in the Atlantic. And Raptors have a better team than Miami at this point!!! New Jersey will be in the playoffs, you don't have that Big 3 and they don't get to the playoffs!!! Pacers could finish 7th but I think they will suprise people if they are healthy and make JOB's system work. The east will be very competitive this year for sure

denyfizle
07-28-2007, 03:16 PM
I strongly disagree with the thread poster. I don't see how the addition of Rashard Lewis and losing Grant Hill and Darko will make the Magic shoot up to the number 2 spot. What happened to the Wizards? Did they get sucked in an Arenas black hole or something... anyhow, I also think they will still be in the thick of the playoffs. Here's my take on things:


Standingswise...
#1 Cavs
#2 Pistons
#3 Bulls
#4 Nets
#5 Wizards
#6 Magic
#7 Knicks
#8 Pacers

I picked us for the 8th pick with a little bit of bias. But realistically it would be tough for us to get that spot. The Hawks, 76ers, Bucks, Celtics and Bobcats have as decent of a chance at it as we do. Take away JO- either by injury or dumb trade- we are about as good, if at that, as the Hawks.

I just don't see LBJ slowing down. He has arrived and he will hold fort on the EC like MJ used to, regardless of the people around him. Yeah, he's that good! Barring injuries, I can't see them drop any lower than 3rd in the standings of the EC.

Detroit is a given. They got great picks this year, and with a team like them, little moves like that are really all you need. Doubting them would be foolish.

Bulls still need to fix their offense and inside scoring in particular. Ty Thomas will play a bigger role this season.

Nets can be filthy good. May even get the 2nd best record. Health is always the issue with any NBA team's success but this bunch has been together for a while and with Kristic back plus Magloire helping in the middle they can be very dangerous.

Wizards and Magic pretty much will do what they did last season.

Knicks finally get back to playoffs. One more blockbuster Isiah trade may even push their record higher. And I really think there will be one before the year ends.

Robertmto
07-28-2007, 03:24 PM
If there aren't any major moves in the EC, here is what I think of the teams.

Detroit Pistons- plain and simple:getting weaker every offseason. If C-web is not returning, they will only have Mcdyess. I think they will be a 4 seed in the playoffs.

Chicago bulls- will win the confrence. #1 seed. This group is coming together and will challenge any WC team.

Cleveland Cavs- Still a good team, but I think LeBron is in JO's position. He is carrying the team. Without him, they would be a 20 win team. He has had ankle probrlems and it could prove to be a problem. I see them as a 5 seed.

Milwaulkee Bucks- still very weak. Not a playoff team. Even though Redd will be one of the highest scoring players in the league, they need another star next to him to really do some damage. 10'th in the East.

Philedelphia 76'ers- will be a better team, yet, they probrably will get 9'th place in the East.

Miami Heat- Weak. I would put them in 3'rd. Shaq is getting weaker and DW is the only other guy on the team that is really good, but they will make a playoff push.

Charolette bobcats- Finally Playoffs for them. i give them the 8 seed. they will definately be over .500.

New York Knicks- I see in the 6'th seed. they will be a dangerous team this season.

atlanta Hawks- still very weak. 11'th place.

Orlando Magic-#2 seed. Very great and dangerous team. their cap space in the next 3-4 years will really suck.

New Jersey nets- Will not make the playoffs but they will look good this year.

Boston Celtics- will be much better this year with Ray allen but still need a healthy PP.

Toronto Raptors- 7'th seed. pretty healthy.

Indiana Pacers- 5'th place. Will shock everyone and Obrien will win COY.:dance:

so it this was true, the playoffs would turn out to be

Chicago vs. Charolette
Orlando vs. Raptors
Heat vs. Knicks
Detroit vs. Pacers

Chicago vs. Orlando
Pacers vs. Heat:)
Chicago vs. pacers:happydanc

Yeah I think the P's can be in the 5 seed and ECF. Just watch. I like Raps vs pacers because it really comes down to JO vs CB. and we match up really well to Miami.

This is just my prediction. It might sound unrealistic to some, but I can hope can't I??

I guess we moved to the West??

Oneal07
07-28-2007, 03:40 PM
I strongly disagree with the thread poster. I don't see how the addition of Rashard Lewis and losing Grant Hill and Darko will make the Magic shoot up to the number 2 spot. What happened to the Wizards? Did they get sucked in an Arenas black hole or something... anyhow, I also think they will still be in the thick of the playoffs. Here's my take on things:


Standingswise...
#1 Cavs
#2 Pistons
#3 Bulls
#4 Nets
#5 Wizards
#6 Magic
#7 Knicks
#8 Pacers

I picked us for the 8th pick with a little bit of bias. But realistically it would be tough for us to get that spot. The Hawks, 76ers, Bucks, Celtics and Bobcats have as decent of a chance at it as we do. Take away JO- either by injury or dumb trade- we are about as good, if at that, as the Hawks.

I just don't see LBJ slowing down. He has arrived and he will hold fort on the EC like MJ used to, regardless of the people around him. Yeah, he's that good! Barring injuries, I can't see them drop any lower than 3rd in the standings of the EC.

Detroit is a given. They got great picks this year, and with a team like them, little moves like that are really all you need. Doubting them would be foolish.

Bulls still need to fix their offense and inside scoring in particular. Ty Thomas will play a bigger role this season.

Nets can be filthy good. May even get the 2nd best record. Health is always the issue with any NBA team's success but this bunch has been together for a while and with Kristic back plus Magloire helping in the middle they can be very dangerous.

Wizards and Magic pretty much will do what they did last season.

Knicks finally get back to playoffs. One more blockbuster Isiah trade may even push their record higher. And I really think there will be one before the year ends.


Wow I don't even see the Raptors in your standings. They are way better than the Magic and the Knicks. Your saying the Atlantic Division champs that won 47 games last year won't make the playoffs this year? I also don't see the Cavs winning the East, they haven't even done anything to improve their team in this offseason

denyfizle
07-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Wow I don't even see the Raptors in your standings. They are way better than the Magic and the Knicks. Your saying the Atlantic Division champs that won 47 games last year won't make the playoffs this year? I also don't see the Cavs winning the East, they haven't even done anything to improve their team in this offseason

I'm really not sold on the Raptors. Last year was a fluke. Like I said I had our Pacers at 8 for my personal bias but that can go to the Raps. But still, I'm not sold on them. Chances are they won't make the playoffs.

Jose Slaughter
07-28-2007, 05:39 PM
I'm not going to rank the teams 1 - 8 but I think the divisions will break down like this. The Raptors & Nets get in, the Knicks will be on the fence.

Toronto
New Jersey
New York
Boston
Phily

The Pistons, Bulls & Cavs make it. The Bucks, like the Knicks, will be close.

Detroit
Chicago
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indiana

The Atlantic is a mess. Orlando gets in, the Wiz could if Arenas wills them there. I'm on the fence about the last 3 teams. Wade isn't 100% yet & Shaq will be starting his 16th year & has only played more than 67 games in 1 out of the last 6 seasons, so I have them slipping to 4th. The Hawks & Hornets will be pushing them all year.

Orlando
Washington
Atlanta
Miami
Charlotte

So I guess the teams I have in are....

Toronto
New Jersey
Detroit
Chicago
Cleveland
Orlando

The last 2 spots will go to New York, Milwaukee, Washington, Atlanta or Miami.

If I had to pick the final 2, it would be New York & Milwaukee.

There! now I can sleep better tonight..... I hope.

bulldog
07-28-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm really not sold on the Raptors. Last year was a fluke. Like I said I had our Pacers at 8 for my personal bias but that can go to the Raps. But still, I'm not sold on them. Chances are they won't make the playoffs.

Whatever "not sold on them" means, I think that's a pretty lonely opinion right now. They're young, they played well last year, I'm not as high on them as others but I definitely see them making the playoffs.

I also like the prediction of a Miami meltdown. They're a Shaq mid-season vacation away from totally falling apart at the seems. And Wade knows it, he's been campaigning as hard as anyone to get someone to come down there, but it hasn't worked (despite the allure of Miami Beach and no state taxes, seems surprising).

DgR
07-28-2007, 07:08 PM
My prediction (assuming JO stays of course)

#1- Chicago: I strongly believe that you have to fail in order to succeed- they showed they could handle the Pistons last year (even though they lost)- this year they will be the team to beat in the East.

#2- Cleveland: LeBron James.

#3- Detroit: I think the start of their decline will start this year- they have been together for too long to become any better than they were. teams will start catching up to them this year.

#4- Toronto: Another team that will continue to improve. Colangelo is a genius. you wait and see...

#5- New Jersey: They're a very good team and were unlucky to lose Krstic last season. They will give Toronto a good fight for fourth best record in the East.

#6- Washington: Arenas will continue to dominate which will only get them this far since he's in his prime- they won't be better than last year while teams around them will play better.

#7- Boston: I think this team will be very dangerous- next year's black horse. Ray Allen is a great player and good guy to have- he can only have a positive influence on that team. AJ will continue to improve together with the rest of their youth.

#8- Indiana: What can I say? I have faith in them and JOB. The coaching change will give this team a spark. I think the defence will be better and so will the consistency and the youngsters will improve. Plus, I think we'll be pleasently surprised by our new players who will compliment JO perfectly.

#9- Orlando: I dont believe in this team. Any minor injury will set them off. DH is a very young star.

#10- New York: I think the Knicks is a team that will shoot itself in the foot. They'll be too inconsistent to make the PO and will have major chemistry problems.

#11- Miami: They only have Wade. Stick a fork in Shaq, he's done

#12-Charlotte: they will be better- but only a minor improvement.

#13- Milwakee: Another team that will be better but I just cant see them being better than the teams above.

#14- Philadelphia: I like Iguodala (did I spell it right) but they overachieved at the end of last year- I expect the same from them this year.

#15- Atlanta: Still the worst team in the conference. Will show promise for the future though.

Kstat
07-28-2007, 07:19 PM
My prediction (assuming JO stays of course)

#1- Chicago: I strongly believe that you have to fail in order to succeed- they showed they could handle the Pistons last year (even though they lost)- this year they will be the team to beat in the East.



...they proved they could handle us by losing the first 3 games of the series?



#3- Detroit: I think the start of their decline will start this year- they have been together for too long to become any better than they were. teams will start catching up to them this year

...and THERE it is, the annual, "this is the year the pistons finally decline" prediction! :laugh:

Yeah, it's not like we have a chance to be better than last year, or anything....

DgR
07-28-2007, 07:29 PM
...they proved they could handle us by losing the first 3 games of the series?



...and THERE it is, the annual, "this is the year the pistons finally decline" prediction! :laugh:

Yeah, it's not like we have a chance to be better than last year, or anything....

No need to take it personally, but this DET team will fall apart at some point and start over like every other team- it could very likely start this year. It doesn't happen at once- it took us three years . Maybe I wouldn't say this if they seemed at all motivated. They're too arrogant, they think they can win the East without breaking a sweat- or have been for the last 2 years. Who knows? maybe next year will be different. I personally dont think so.

(plus I dont rate Flip very highly- he's only riding the teams' former coaches' success- I think he was didn't handle the Cavs series well at all)

Kstat
07-28-2007, 07:49 PM
No need to take it personally, but this DET team will fall apart at some point and start over like every other team

...except someone always says it every...single...year...

this has been going on since 2002. we were supposed to be a 1-year fluke and "decline" put of the playoffs the next year. I'm used to hearing it. It's just funny now.


- it could very likely start this year. It doesn't happen at once- it took us three years .

The pacers voluntarily dismantled their 2000 team. We did not. And that team was a lot older than this Pistons nucleus anyway.


Maybe I wouldn't say this if they seemed at all motivated. They're too arrogant, they think they can win the East without breaking a sweat- or have been for the last 2 years. Who knows? maybe next year will be different. I personally dont think so.

The young guys (Maxiell, Johnson, Stuckey, Afflalo) are all self-motivated players. Dumars made a point of loading the team with energy guys around the big 5. The starters haven't just lost the ability to play all of a sudden, nor have they lost their skills due to age. They won't suddenly become all stars this year, but theyre good enough to push the starters.




(plus I dont rate Flip very highly- he's only riding the teams' former coaches' success- I think he was didn't handle the Cavs series well at all)

I'm not sure what Flip could have done. People want to blame him, but nobody can pinpoint the reason he was at fault. No coach was winning that series with a bench that played that badly that long. The fact he has a bench that completely crapped the bed was the biggest factor by far.

bulldog
07-28-2007, 07:56 PM
Detroit could be in their decline phase (and I think it started last year) and still wind up with the best record in the East. I like Chicago, but at best you can say that they will be neck and neck with Detroit for the regular season, and have a shot at beating them in the playoffs. Cleveland, Toronto, nobody really inspires much confidence. I'm pretty sure Detroit would easily be #5 in the west though, if not lower.

While I understand Chicago doesn't want to mortgage their future, the time to pull a move is now (considered an IMHO gawdawful Cleveland team ended up in the finals, it was last year). I can't imagine the East being this weak in the future, LeBron, Wade, or Howard are bound to get some talent around them eventually. Hold out for Kobe to force his way out of LA, but at the trading deadline if nothing has happened it might be time to move key pieces (even Deng) for Garnett or Gasol. Then, once you get to the finals, whatever, you got a shot at it.

Honestly, it's a shame we're in such a rut now. If only the Artest, O'neal, Jackson team had peaked like two years later, we'd be playing for a championship yearly.

denyfizle
07-28-2007, 08:05 PM
Whatever "not sold on them" means, I think that's a pretty lonely opinion right now. They're young, they played well last year, I'm not as high on them as others but I definitely see them making the playoffs.

I also like the prediction of a Miami meltdown. They're a Shaq mid-season vacation away from totally falling apart at the seems. And Wade knows it, he's been campaigning as hard as anyone to get someone to come down there, but it hasn't worked (despite the allure of Miami Beach and no state taxes, seems surprising).

That's fine. Like I sad, they might make the playoffs but they won't be as impressive as last season. Last year teams took them lightly; they are not surprising anyone this year. I will not be surprised if they don't make the playoffs. I just think the Raps have gone way over their heads with their international theme. Bosh is solid but I really believe they just got lucky last season. A lot of the EAST teams were hurting and this year almost everyone improved. The sole reason I put em below us is because o fmy bias, but for my money, if they were to make the playoffs it would be via the last 2 seeds. The Knicks and Nets will have better records than them. We'll see doggy... we'll see.

bulldog
07-28-2007, 08:59 PM
I just think the Raps have gone way over their heads with their international theme.

You want me to be honest? I think that's the problem you have with them; and I don't mean to pick on you, it's an attitude I've seen among many fans. It kills some people to have a "European strategy" work not only when the lanes are trapezoidal and the refs are French, but in the NBA as well. Well, have no fear, unless they trade Bosh for Gasol they are not exactly a European team, American pride is safe.

There's no particular problem with having a team stocked with foreign players (and again, their best player is an American). It's not as though they've brought over only your stereotypical tall, unathletic, offense only European shooters, they have guys like Garbajosa (an extremely tough player), Parker (who can get to the rim) and Baston (top-notch athleticism).

Kudos to their management for realizing that with American players distaste for high Canadian taxes and living outside the US, Toronto is a perfect place to bring over a bunch of guys from outside the states and give it a shot.

And again, they're in the East, I don't think they're in the top 10 teams in the NBA but they could still get into the finals. :shakehead

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Oh, and since everyone else has thrown in their two cents:

1) Chicago - playing hard, tough defense every night = regular season wins, and expect to see improvement from the young(ish) guys (Ty Thomas, Deng becomes better night in night out scorer); however, still think they'd lose to Detroit over seven games
8) Boston - If Jefferson blows up I wouldn't be surprised to see them as high as 5, but they are still really weak after Pierce, Allen, Jefferson

4) Cleveland - as we've seen, LBJ is prone to take months off early in the regular season, think it'll hurt them a little bit this year
5) New Jersey - even though Krstic isn't that talented, I think he means a lot for the team, he really feeds well off the big three and they're thin up front, seems like their last hurrah

2) Detroit - still think they're more talented than Cleveland
7) Orlando - best case scenario they get ahead of Washington and NJ, was that worth $130 million?

3) Toronto - win Atlantic by a hair over NJ
6) Washington - this feels low for them, but I think New Jersey just barely is ahead of them with Krstic back and they're still thin on the bench unless the rooks really step up

It's interesting, as I do the ranking I realize the East isn't really horrible, it's just there's a lot of teams in the middle (it was tough leaving the bobcats and bucks out, and the heat do have wade, they're all still decent) and not that much at the top. In any case, bodes poorly for us.

BlueNGold
07-28-2007, 09:07 PM
The young guys (Maxiell, Johnson, Stuckey, Afflalo) are all self-motivated players. Dumars made a point of loading the team with energy guys around the big 5. The starters haven't just lost the ability to play all of a sudden, nor have they lost their skills due to age. They won't suddenly become all stars this year, but theyre good enough to push the starters.



As long as you have Billups, Hamilton, Sheed, Dice and Tay, you will be a threat in the East...at least for 2 more years. If your new guys pan out, you might stay a threat for awhile, but I doubt many of the new guys are at the level of your starting 5.

Rip, Sheed and Billups are very, very talented players...and fit on the court together like a glove. Losing Sheed or Billups would take a huge bite. I think with losing Big Ben, the descent already started...but again, Detroit is still head and shoulders over most of the East. Only maybe 3 other teams are arguably better IMO.

Kstat
07-28-2007, 09:12 PM
You want me to be honest? I think that's the problem you have with them; and I don't mean to pick on you, it's an attitude I've seen among many fans. It kills some people to have a "European strategy" work not only when the lanes are trapezoidal and the refs are French, but in the NBA as well. Well, have no fear, unless they trade Bosh for Gasol they are not exactly a European team, American pride is safe.

dude...Toronto got outclassed by NEW JERSEY....

It's very, very hard to get all excited over a team that couldn't even win one playoff series in the eastern conference...

And no, as long as they continue to decide that they don't need any post players, their jump shooting roster is not going to beat anybody noteworthy.

bulldog
07-28-2007, 09:22 PM
dude...Toronto got outclassed by NEW JERSEY....

It's very, very hard to get all excited over a team that couldn't even win one playoff series in the eastern conference...

Nod no, as long as they continue to decide that they don't need any post players, their jump shooting roster is not going to beat anybody noteworthy.

First off, four games does not make a season. It's not surprising to me a young team like Toronto making their first playoff appearance as a favorite got outclassed by a solid, veteran team like NJ. They lost several very close games, again, not surprising for a young team going against a veteran squad.

Secondly, Garbajosa is a big part of that team, losing him late absolutely killed them. I watched them last season and they just absolutely weren't the same team afterwards, not to mention they didn't really have time to adjust and find momentum.

Yes, their major weakness is they can't score inside (Bosh appears to be watching JO tapes), but Parker can get to the rim and Andrea showed flashes of being more than a jumpshooter, we'll see if any of that develops this season. And they do have other strengths, including one of the best pg rotations in the league, a great player in Bosh, solid defense, and good shooting all around.

Again, my defense of them makes it seem like I think they're a much stronger team than they are. I only think they're decent and shouldn't be underestimated.

denyfizle
07-28-2007, 10:09 PM
You want me to be honest? I think that's the problem you have with them; and I don't mean to pick on you, it's an attitude I've seen among many fans. It kills some people to have a "European strategy" work not only when the lanes are trapezoidal and the refs are French, but in the NBA as well. Well, have no fear, unless they trade Bosh for Gasol they are not exactly a European team, American pride is safe.



I am sorry to disappoint you but your assumption is wrong. I have nothing against "Euro" players. I was one to put my foot in my mouth when I proclaimed Runi the next great thing for our team. I don't know where you got this whole "American Pride" thing but matterfact, I am an immigrant myself. I've been in America for 5 years and have been an NBA fan for 4 times longer than that. With that said I have no bias on where a player comes from. On the contrary I think this just validates the "little man complex" or paranoia from most Euro posters everytime NBA fans criticize their play. For the record I am banking on Belinelli to make the All-Rookie team.

I just really think Toronto is a weak team. Last year was an anomaly. A lot of the EC teams were limping all year and most of Toronto's 47 wins were close and arguably attributed to opponents underestimating them based on their recent losing history. This year, nobody will take them lightly and I think their acquisitions didn't really make them better. No defense, all perimeter finesse players and just look at how New York and Jersey improved. Had the Nets not have all the injuries they had last season on top of a lot of last minute buzzer-beating losses, they would've had a better record than the Raps. (they ended up with just 6 lesser wins) Milwaukee if healthy may be even better than them. Well maybe not, but that just goes to show how unimpressed I am of the Raptors. Sam Mitchell has sucked as a head coach for years, and all of a sudden they make the playoffs he's a genius. Last year was a great year for the Raps, but if they stick to the group they have now they will have a hard time repeating last year's dream season. They have ashot at the 7th or 8th seed but it's hard to put them on top of the other teams I had on my list.

Oneal07
07-29-2007, 12:11 PM
I am sorry to disappoint you but your assumption is wrong. I have nothing against "Euro" players. I was one to put my foot in my mouth when I proclaimed Runi the next great thing for our team. I don't know where you got this whole "American Pride" thing but matterfact, I am an immigrant myself. I've been in America for 5 years and have been an NBA fan for 4 times longer than that. With that said I have no bias on where a player comes from. On the contrary I think this just validates the "little man complex" or paranoia from most Euro posters everytime NBA fans criticize their play. For the record I am banking on Belinelli to make the All-Rookie team.

I just really think Toronto is a weak team. Last year was an anomaly. A lot of the EC teams were limping all year and most of Toronto's 47 wins were close and arguably attributed to opponents underestimating them based on their recent losing history. This year, nobody will take them lightly and I think their acquisitions didn't really make them better. No defense, all perimeter finesse players and just look at how New York and Jersey improved. Had the Nets not have all the injuries they had last season on top of a lot of last minute buzzer-beating losses, they would've had a better record than the Raps. (they ended up with just 6 lesser wins) Milwaukee if healthy may be even better than them. Well maybe not, but that just goes to show how unimpressed I am of the Raptors. Sam Mitchell has sucked as a head coach for years, and all of a sudden they make the playoffs he's a genius. Last year was a great year for the Raps, but if they stick to the group they have now they will have a hard time repeating last year's dream season. They have ashot at the 7th or 8th seed but it's hard to put them on top of the other teams I had on my list.


LOL, THe Raptors were pretty much injured a lot of the season too last year, they still had the skill to blow out teams even without Bosh on the floor They also had an alright Westcoast record also. I had doubts too when he brought in those Euro players, but they actually made it fun to watch. Teams couldn't even guard them.

While I somewhat agree with your statement (About teams taking them lightly last year) Raptors always played hard regardless. And next year it's still gonna be hard to guard them in the regular season!! Raps don't have Mr Clutch Mo Pete anymore so it'll be interestng to see how they pan out!! Mo has won a lot of games for them

JayRedd
07-29-2007, 05:55 PM
dude...Toronto got outclassed by NEW JERSEY....

It's very, very hard to get all excited over a team that couldn't even win one playoff series in the eastern conference...

And no, as long as they continue to decide that they don't need any post players, their jump shooting roster is not going to beat anybody noteworthy.

First off, New Jersey has the 1st or 2nd best perimeter personnel in the League (yes, yall are probably first) and Toronto is a perimeter team. Clearly, it was gonna be a tough matchup for them. Meanwhile, JKidd is a Hall of Famer, RJ has played in multiple NBA/NCAA Finals and Vince, no matter how you feel about him, has scored more than 1000 playoff points in his career. As for the Raps, outside of Mo Pete, their main rotation guys had played a combined 5 playoff games (all by lil' TJ) in their NBA careers.

Second, they lost Game 6 on the road by one point on basically the last play of the game. Yes, they got pounded a few games in that series, but it wasn't a steam roll or anything.

I'm not huge on the Raps chances next year myself, but let's be fair.