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Anthem
07-18-2007, 12:11 AM
Man, what a steaming pile. I'd be ashamed to put this on my resume if I were a programmer. I'll admit, I'm a Linux user. So I'm a little spoiled. But I use Windows XP at work, so it's not like I'm out of the loop on what it's like to use Windows.

I had to borrow my wife's computer and boot up Vista in order to run Adobe Illustrator (she normally runs Linux as well). This is the worst operating system I've used since Windows ME. And I mean overall, not just worst for its time. ME at least had some cool factor to it before the problems showed up, but this is just plain awful from the get-go.

I literally have nothing nice to say about this operating system. Everything about it bothers me, from the security (terrible) to the look (awful) to the p e r f o r m a n c e .

At least I'm a computer person, and know enough to get by. How the average person survives I'll never know.

Anthem
07-18-2007, 12:13 AM
Seriously. If you can find your way around a computer at all, and aren't afraid of reinstalling your operating system (and if you have backed up your data recently) you should give Ubuntu a try. It will set up a dual-boot so every time you turn on your computer it gives you a chance to choose which OS to use. I guarantee you'll be using Linux most of the time.

Trader Joe
07-18-2007, 12:14 AM
Vista is a pile. There is no doubt about that. IU doesn't even use it. They stick with XP or 2000.

cramerica
07-18-2007, 12:47 AM
Vista is a pile. There is no doubt about that. IU doesn't even use it. They stick with XP or 2000.
The military doesn't even use it. Well not yet anyways. I've never been on it but I have not heard one good thing about it.

rexnom
07-18-2007, 01:26 AM
MIT uses UNIX and it pretty much keeps crap clean around campus. I personally use Vista but that's because I'm too afraid to have a UNIX-based OS on my computer and I like bells and whistles.

Lord Helmet
07-18-2007, 02:19 AM
I'm using Windows XP Media Center and I'm fine with that for now. Maybe after a while I'll upgrade to Vista, if it ever gets improved.

bellisimo
07-18-2007, 07:16 AM
just don't become like this guy....



German police excuse angry computer user for outburst

BERLIN (Reuters) - A German man who startled his neighbours when he hurled his computer out of the window in the middle of the night, was let off for disturbing the peace by police who sympathised with his technical frustrations.


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Police in the northern city of Hanover said they would not press charges after responding to calls made by residents in an apartment block who were woken by a loud crash in the early hours of Saturday.
Officers found the street and pavement covered in electronic parts and discovered who the culprit was.


Asked what had driven him to the night-time outburst, the 51-year-old man said he had simply got annoyed with his computer.


"Who hasn't felt like doing that?" said a police spokesman.
While escaping any official sanction the man was made to clear up the debris.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070717/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_germany_computer

Anthem
07-18-2007, 09:04 AM
MIT uses UNIX and it pretty much keeps crap clean around campus. I personally use Vista but that's because I'm too afraid to have a UNIX-based OS on my computer and I like bells and whistles.
Like what?

My laptop has all the bells an whistles I could ask for.

D23
07-18-2007, 11:07 AM
Vista is a pile. There is no doubt about that. IU doesn't even use it. They stick with XP or 2000.

Yeah, but much of IU will be moving to it by next summer :/ I'm starting to get used to Vista since I've been using it for almost a year but wow it still has problems. I've been on IU's Vista Readiness core team since then and it's been... fun.. At least they finally got VPN to work with it. And yeah, you need a beast of a computer to run it smoothly.

Kegboy
07-18-2007, 11:19 AM
Vista sucks. I've been running it exclusively since October. As I've talked about before, the network stops working for no reason, and if I give it long enough it'll start up again, and it's not a hardware issue because I've used different interfaces. Lately it's been locking up on me to where I have to do a hard reset. And lastly, I just found out yesterday that my Windows Mail hasn't actually been sending mail for the last couple weeks, even though there are no errors and it copies everything to sent items (I switched to Outlook and it seems to be working fine.)

For the past month or so I've been running Ubuntu on a very cheap computer (if anybody remembers the Walmart $200 PCs from 5 years ago.) It's extremely slow, thanks to the hardware, but it works. I use it when the Vista craps out.

Trader Joe
07-18-2007, 11:49 AM
Yeah, but much of IU will be moving to it by next summer :/ I'm starting to get used to Vista since I've been using it for almost a year but wow it still has problems. I've been on IU's Vista Readiness core team since then and it's been... fun.. At least they finally got VPN to work with it. And yeah, you need a beast of a computer to run it smoothly.

This is the most depressing news I've had in weeks.

Hicks
07-18-2007, 03:55 PM
I was able to obtain Vista Ultimate through Ball State before I graduated, and I feel sorry for anyone who paid hundreds of dollars for their copy. I don't hate it. I like the interface, I like some of the new things they added, but a few weeks ago I got fed up and formatted my C: drive and re-installed XP. Why? Stability. XP works, all the programs I want to use are compatible (a bit irritant on Vista; developments are SLOOOOOOOOOOOW coming for that system, which turns it into a joke). While I never had issues connecting to the internet, I have had other issues. It comes with Windows Media Center. WMC decided it didn't work anymore and I have no idea why and I could not get it to work again. It still has "random" hiccups and glitches to make you have to restart. Did I mention yet that a lot of common programs aren't fully Vista-ready yet?

I plan to re-install my copy of Vista eventually. But not until I hear about major updates/patches/fixes for the OS. Probably whenever their SP1 comes out. I DID like it when it worked. What gives me optimism (and keep in mind that I already like it enough to give it an eventual second chance) is that back when XP came out people *****ed about it too. Things didn't work. Eventually, it got better. It just takes a (ridiculous?) amount of time.

I've become more and more curious about Linux, but I know nothing about it (other than occasionally hearing those nerdier than myself drooling about it), and it sounds like there are multiple "kinds" of OSes that are called "Linux" out there, so it's confusing me a bit too.

Plus, I'm not hot to go through another formatting session right now. But I do want to at least get on a PC that already has it installed to see if it interests me.

Anthem
07-18-2007, 07:33 PM
Basically, "Linux" is the kernel of an operating system. Because it's all open source (think Firefox), anybody can tweak it to make it just the way they like. These people/companies release "distributions," which are a collection of open-source software (based on the linux kernel) that work well together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution

I recommend Ubuntu. The install CD also acts as a LiveCD, which means you can test the whole thing without needing to alter your hard drive at all. Just stick the CD in, boot from CD, and you'll have a fully-functional Linux desktop that will disappear as soon as you reboot.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

Hicks
07-18-2007, 07:55 PM
I'm downloading now out of curiosity. The screenshots make it look like "Apple and Microsoft's greatest hits!" Can I install this OS on my C: drive without uninstalling Windows? If it helps answer the question, I have a second internal D: drive. Could I at least install it there with Win on my C: ?

Hicks
07-18-2007, 10:21 PM
Well, I tried to download Ubuntu, but after a dozen attempts with it freezing mid-download every time (regardless of the fact that I try different mirrors), I'm out.

Anthem
07-18-2007, 11:38 PM
Suck. Sorry man. I always use BitTorrent (http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent). But you can also just click here (https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login) and they'll send you a CD for free.

You can install it on the same physical drive as Windows, but it will require a re-partition. You can also install it on your second drive; it should set up a dual-boot setup automatically.

I wouldn't even try installing it until you're sure you want to make the switch or have a second computer. Just try the LiveCD and see what you think.

Hicks
07-19-2007, 01:20 AM
I have a laptop if something shuts down (though why would it?).

I finally got it trying later in the evening. I haven't burnt the iso yet.

So does that mean (responding to your post) that I can install it on my D drive right now without uninstalling WindowsXP?

Anthem
07-19-2007, 12:03 PM
I have a laptop if something shuts down (though why would it?).

I finally got it trying later in the evening. I haven't burnt the iso yet.

So does that mean (responding to your post) that I can install it on my D drive right now without uninstalling WindowsXP?
It uses a different filesystem than Windows. So if you install it on D, you have to either reformat your D drive or repartition it.

I'm telling you, just use the LiveCD for a little while to get a feel for it.

Los Angeles
07-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Looks like I switched to OsX at the exact perfect time. I'm also running Parallels with XP, and the world seems to be my oyster at least for a little while.

Hicks
07-19-2007, 04:00 PM
I got crazy/stupid late last night. I did a quick backup of some files on D: and ended up formatting the whole damn thing just to install this Ubuntu (the CD version was slow and lacking in drivers and the like).

I couldn't help but laugh my *** off when the first time I booted up the installed Ubuntu, I got severe errors while downloading/installing updates, and the entire OS froze and I had to reboot. :laugh: Yeah, damn that dirty Microsoft. ;)

I'll give it a shot to see if I like it, but after last night, I un-surprisingly chose XP at startup.

Hicks
07-19-2007, 07:06 PM
OK, I also downloaded ATI's latest drivers for Linux, and when I double-clicked the file it said it couldn't run or something along those lines. Is there no ATI driver for Ubuntu?

Also, what is THE most popular Linux OS? Is it Ubuntu? Is it something else? Is there an OS specifically called just Linux?

Hicks
07-19-2007, 11:47 PM
Well, that didn't take long. The errors kept racking up when I tried to install or update anything. It was overly difficult (compared to what I'm used to with Win or MacOS) to install even basic graphic drivers. The final kicker on top of all of these things was when I played with mouse settings, temporarily set the speed to slow, and when I tried to set it back it didn't even work and I was stuck swiping the mouse 6+ times in one direction just to get it across the screen. I had it, so I removed it. You'll just LOVE what I installed on that drive in its place to go along with my XP install.... :devil:

Anthem
07-20-2007, 12:24 AM
That's weird. I've never had errors like that. But then I generally don't rush into things either.

Sorry it didn't work for you. Your experience was pretty far away from mine, and I didn't do anything special. All I can figure is differences in hardware.

The way you do stuff in Unix/Linux is different from the ways you do it in Windows. The best way to get ATI's drivers isn't to go to ATI's website, it's to get the ones packaged for Ubuntu from Ubuntu's repositories. ATI's Linux support is notoriously bad and has been for years, while nVidia and Intel's are quite good. I never buy ATI for just that reason. That was part of the reason I was pushing you to only use the LiveCD, to see how the hardware stacks up.

Doug
07-20-2007, 10:31 AM
Hicks: This article might be helpful.

This is the first install of what will be a periodic, ongoing series on how migrate from Microsoft's Windows to other Operating systems. This first article provides insight in the much discussed Ubuntu Linux.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32967/113/

Raskolnikov
07-21-2007, 03:56 AM
Seriously. If you can find your way around a computer at all, and aren't afraid of reinstalling your operating system (and if you have backed up your data recently) you should give Ubuntu a try. It will set up a dual-boot so every time you turn on your computer it gives you a chance to choose which OS to use. I guarantee you'll be using Linux most of the time.
For 6 months now, I've been using Ubuntu at work, no complaints thus far. Ubuntu is a lot more user friendly than the average UNIX OS, but it's still better if you know how to handle the command line. Took me a while to learn it, but once you get the hang of it, you truly feel like you know what you're doing.

Most of the time at least.

bellisimo
07-25-2007, 09:27 AM
http://www.afrotechmods.com/submitted/gCube/DCP_0806.jpg

Kegboy
07-25-2007, 09:48 PM
What does Btown's PC have to do with this?

Hoop
07-26-2007, 12:19 AM
I have tested every beta version and the final release of Vista and I can say that I agree with everyone else, it's a steaming pile all right. Eye candy is all it is, everything about XP works better IMO. Linux can do 3D desktops with half the horsepower, I have no idea why Vista is such a resource hog. You can make XP look like Vista with Window Blinds, if you want, with no loss of function.

Microsoft has extended support for XP through 2014. Service pack 3 is suppose to come out some time in 08. XP on a new PC will end Jan 08, that really sucks when customers still want XP. The next new PC I buy will have Linux installed, even if I wipe it out and put XP on it later.