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Will Galen
07-11-2007, 07:46 AM
EDIT; Updated 09-21-07.

This is the Pacers payroll for the coming year as of this moment. It will change because NBA teams must have 13 players on their roster, so Owens contract will be honored or we will pick up someone else.

The salary figures are taken from ESPN, and Storyteller's sites which agree at this time. However, sites don't always agree, so last year I started keeping track of Pacer's salary's myself. Last year the Indy Star and another newspaper reported James White received first round money. All the salary sites reported him getting the minimum. I had him getting the same salary as the last pick in the first round.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/07-08salaries.htm

Pacer Payroll of 09-16-07.
Player.....................2007-08
Jermaine O'Neal........$19,728,000
Troy Murphy.............$9,206,349
Mike Dunleavy..........$8,219,008
Marquis Daniels.........$6,373,900
Jamaal Tinsley............$6,300,000
Jeff Foster.................$5,500,000
Ike Diogu..................$2,286,360
Danny Granger..........$1,516,800
Travis Diener............$1,500,000(a)
Shawne Williams........$1,470,360
David Harrison...........$1,734,316
Kareem Rush.............$770,610 (b)
Stephen Graham.........$770,610
Guaranteed................$100,000 (c)
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Total................$65,476,313..........($2,388, 687) under the luxury tax as of this date.

The NBA salary cap for 2006-07 is $55,630,000.
The luxury tax threshold is $67,865,000
The Mid-level exception is $5,356,000
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(a) Has not signed contract yet.

Travis Diener according to fdlreporter.com will make $4.9 million over three years. My guess is that works out thus;

$1,500,000
$1,657,500
$1,815,000
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$4,972,500

http://www.fdlreporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070720/FON01/707200685/1310/FONsports


(b) When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league office actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. Rush signed a one year contract for $826,046. The Pacers are responsible for $770,610. See (c) for an example.

(c) Andre Owens.............$687,456
Last year Snap Hunter received $100,000 guaranteed of a most likely minimum contract. Andre Owen's is also partially guaranteed, so it's likely the same. To keep him the Pacers would add $597,456 to their above payroll.

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(c) Darrell Armstrong......$770,610
Darrell Armstrong's numbers if he is brought back. This following language is taken from http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#10 However, I updated Larry's example using the Pacer's Darrell Armstrong's number's for this year.

When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league office actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2007-08 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $770,610 so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,219,590 the league would reimburse the team $448,980. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive when filling out their last few roster spots.

Ragnar
07-11-2007, 08:52 AM
They are over the cap they are under the luxury tax.

Pacersin2033
07-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Whats horrible is I look at that list, and I see one person thats not overpaid, only 2 that aren't grossly overpaid.

JayRedd
07-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Whats horrible is I look at that list, and I see one person thats not overpaid, only 2 that aren't grossly overpaid.

Only JO, Murphy and Dunleavy can really be considered overpaid.

All the guys on rookie deals are obviously at fair market value, as are Jeff and Marquis pretty much. And the only real problem with Tinsley is the years. $6-7 million per isn't the issue, it's the fact that he's signed through 2011.

naptownmenace
07-11-2007, 11:03 AM
Only JO, Murphy and Dunleavy can really be considered overpaid.

All the guys on rookie deals are obviously at fair market value, as are Jeff and Marquis pretty much. And the only real problem with Tinsley is the years. $6-7 million per isn't the issue, it's the fact that he's signed through 2011.

I'd even say that Dunleavey isn't that overpaid. Austin Croshere, Bender, and Scott Pollard were paid nearly as much when they were here and he's clearly better than each of them. Murphy on par with other centers isn't that over paid, yet. Bigmen always make more money. Like with Tinsley it's the years left on the contract that's a problem.

Will Galen
07-15-2007, 04:57 AM
Bump

Figures updated.

NPFII
07-15-2007, 08:38 AM
EDIT; Updated 09-15-07.

Troy Murphy.............$9,206,349
Mike Dunleavy..........$8,219,008
Marquis Daniels.........$6,373,900
Jamaal Tinsley............$6,300,000
Jeff Foster.................$5,500,000


About $35,500,000 of borderline starting-caliber players, with no future potential (maybe maybe maybe Quis - maybe). What a waste!

Bball
07-15-2007, 11:34 PM
EDIT; Updated 09-15-07.


Wow, time flies! It seems only a couple of days ago this thread was posted and it's Sept already!


-Bball

Kegboy
07-15-2007, 11:39 PM
Wow, time flies! It seems only a couple of days ago this thread was posted and it's Sept already!


-Bball

Thank god. Summer was driving me nuts.

I do feel pretty stupid for missing 2 Colts games, though. :dunce:

Fool
07-15-2007, 11:48 PM
I'd even say that Dunleavey isn't that overpaid. Austin Croshere, Bender, and Scott Pollard were paid nearly as much when they were here and he's clearly better than each of them. Murphy on par with other centers isn't that over paid, yet. Bigmen always make more money. Like with Tinsley it's the years left on the contract that's a problem.

Comparing them to previously overpaid players doesn't mean they aren't overpaid.

Will Galen
07-16-2007, 03:06 AM
Wow, time flies! It seems only a couple of days ago this thread was posted and it's Sept already!


-Bball

I keep the Pacer's salary chart as up to date as possible, thus I update with each change. Sometimes it's not the Pacers acquiring new players, but new information on current players. Once the season starts you won't see this unless someone else bumps it.

ps. It was four days. (grin)

Naptown_Seth
07-16-2007, 03:41 AM
Everett: Damn! We're in a tight spot!

Will Galen
07-16-2007, 04:47 AM
Here's a fantasy payroll I did for the Pacers if they traded JO to the Lakers for the rumored deal. That deal being Brown, Bynum, Crittenton, a 2,008 #1, and the Lakers resigning Aaron McKie for $4,340,200 million and then the Laker's including $3 million in cash to offset McKie's salary. Signing McKie for $3 million doesn't work because he would be BYC. McKie would then retire or the Pacers would cut him.

Pacer Payroll of 09-16-07.
Player.....................2007-08
Troy Murphy.............$9,206,349
Kwame Brown...........$9,075,000
Mike Dunleavy..........$8,219,008
Marquis Daniels.........$6,373,900
Jamaal Tinsley............$6,300,000
Jeff Foster.................$5,500,000
Ike Diogu..................$2,286,360
Andrew Bynum..........$2,172,000
David Harrison...........$1,734,316
Danny Granger..........$1,516,800
Shawne Williams........$1,470,360
Javaris Crittenton........$1,285,200
Kareem Rush.............$770,610
Stephen Graham.........$770,610
Andre Owens.............$687,456
Aaron McKie............$4,340,400 (cut) Pacer's receive $3 million in cash.
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Total................$61,708,369..........($6,156, 631) under the lux tax.

Interestingly since the Pacers receive $3 million in cash they could go $1.5 million over the lux tax and remain even. Thus they could trade for someone for $7,656,631 and it not cost them 2 for 1 dollars that going over the tax normally costs.

NPFII
07-16-2007, 02:21 PM
Troy Murphy.............$9,206,349
Kwame Brown...........$9,075,000
Mike Dunleavy..........$8,219,008
Marquis Daniels.........$6,373,900
Jamaal Tinsley............$6,300,000
Jeff Foster.................$5,500,000


So that's $44,500,00 in borderline starting-caliber players, for the next 3 years. Hang on. Prepare to royally SUCK for a long-long time!

The Hustler
07-16-2007, 03:26 PM
So that's $44,500,00 in borderline starting-caliber players, for the next 3 years. Hang on. Prepare to royally SUCK for a long-long time!

Well Kwame's contract ends this summer so u dont need to include that (assuming and praying we wouldnt resign him for a similar contract after!)

And Jeffs is only 2 more years (although out of all of them Jeffs is probably the best contract, infact for such a superb rebounder, a skill in shortage in the NBA, he has a very reasonable price

Marquis Daniels also has a team option on that 3rd year, so if we dont want to pay him we dont have to! but if we do its $7, 350, 000 in 09/10


That leaves 2009/10 salarys...
<table style="width: 25px; height: 15px;" border="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody> </tbody></table>Troy Murphy .............$11, 047, 619
Mike Dunleavy Jnr ......$9, 780, 992
Jamaal Tinsley ..........$7,200, 000

so thats a minimum (assuming we dont trade any of them) of $28, 028, 611 in the 3rd year and $35, 378, 611 if we have Marquis ...

Its still bad ...but not as bad as you said!

The only thing is ... the following year we still have thos 3 players and there salarys all rise! Totaling a beatiful .... $30, 030, 237 ... yes ... that is 30 million on just those 3 players!