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Unclebuck
07-09-2007, 09:25 AM
A lot of encouraging things in this blog - allow me to highlight them



http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2007/07/a_good_early_re.htmlA good early review
Posted by Mike Wells



The Pacers wrapped up their rookie/free agent camp at Conseco Fieldhouse on Sunday.

You can tell things will be different around the Fieldhouse.

New coach Jim O’Brien let the media watch most of practice, which included a lot of scrimmaging. He even kept the curtains around the practice court open, allowing fans on the outside to get sneak peak at the team.

Shawne Williams walked by me after practice Saturday and said, “I’ve never worked this hard in my life.”

I can’t compare O’Brien’s style to Rick Carlisle’s because Carlisle only let the media watch them shoot free throws. I can say this, though, it may only be July, but I like what I see out of O'Brien.

O’Brien is real hands on with his players and preaches fundamental basketball like how to set a screen and where to have your hands positioned on defense. He is quick to praise a player when he does something good.

One, or I should say, a couple of the things that stood out over the weekend is that there is no doubt that O’Brien likes to run and shoot the 3-point shot.

O’Brien and his staff pointed out to players when they took long 2-point shots or had their foot on the 3-point line. O’Brien was constantly telling his players to get the ball up the court quick. He stopped a drill once to point out that the shot clock was down to 20 seconds and they hadn’t crossed half court yet.

Here are a couple of other tidbits

--The Pacers are still looking for a backup point guard.
They’ve talked to the agents of Chucky Atkins, Jason Hart, Mo Williams and Keith McLeod. Tony Delk, who O’Brien coached at Boston and the University of Kentucky, is also a possibility as a third point guard.

--Kareem Rush isn’t as good of a pure shooter as Jason Kapono, but I like his acquisition better because he’s not a one-dimensional player. Rush can put the ball on the ground and attack the basket. Kapono isn’t effective if you take away his shot.


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The_Showtime
07-09-2007, 09:32 AM
A lot of encouraginge things in this blog allow me to highlight them



http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2007/07/a_good_early_re.htmlA good early review
Posted by Mike Wells



The Pacers wrapped up their rookie/free agent camp at Conseco Fieldhouse on Sunday.

You can tell things will be different around the Fieldhouse.

New coach Jim O’Brien let the media watch most of practice, which included a lot of scrimmaging. He even kept the curtains around the practice court open, allowing fans on the outside to get sneak peak at the team.

Shawne Williams walked by me after practice Saturday and said, “I’ve never worked this hard in my life.”

I can’t compare O’Brien’s style to Rick Carlisle’s because Carlisle only let the media watch them shoot free throws. I can say this, though, it may only be July, but I like what I see out of O'Brien.

O’Brien is real hands on with his players and preaches fundamental basketball like how to set a screen and where to have your hands positioned on defense. He is quick to praise a player when he does something good.

One, or I should say, a couple of the things that stood out over the weekend is that there is no doubt that O’Brien likes to run and shoot the 3-point shot.

O’Brien and his staff pointed out to players when they took long 2-point shots or had their foot on the 3-point line. O’Brien was constantly telling his players to get the ball up the court quick. He stopped a drill once to point out that the shot clock was down to 20 seconds and they hadn’t crossed half court yet.

Here are a couple of other tidbits

--The Pacers are still looking for a backup point guard.
They’ve talked to the agents of Chucky Atkins, Jason Hart, Mo Williams and Keith McLeod. Tony Delk, who O’Brien coached at Boston and the University of Kentucky, is also a possibility as a third point guard.

--Kareem Rush isn’t as good of a pure shooter as Jason Kapono, but I like his acquisition better because he’s not a one-dimensional player. Rush can put the ball on the ground and attack the basket. Kapono isn’t effective if you take away his shot.


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LOL Hahaha OMG friggin Kareem "Wanna-be Kareem Adul Jabar" Rush is NOT a one-dimensional player. :laugh: The very same guy we dump on the friggin WHO? Bobcats? Who is the Bocats? :laugh: and end up with his lazy a$$ getting dump like trash again by the Cats. Wow KAREEM RUSH! :laugh:

naptownmenace
07-09-2007, 09:33 AM
That's certainly good to hear.

I previously said I didn't want Jason Hart but I was talking about having him as a starter. I wouldn't mind him as a backup though. Out of the list of players I saw though, Mo Williams is the best but if we can't move Tinsley there's no way he'll want to come play here. If we can't move Tinsley I'd prefer re-signing McLeod.

Robobtowncolt
07-09-2007, 09:33 AM
What just happened right after Buck's post?

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 09:41 AM
What just happened?

I think naptownmenace just said he wanted the Pacers to trade Tinsley, but if they can't he doesn't want Mo Williams. And he doesn't want Jason Hart as a starter. Not sure why that's confusing......

Unclebuck
07-09-2007, 09:49 AM
What just happened right after Buck's post?

I was abducted by Aliens?

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 09:51 AM
What just happened right after Buck's post?

Oops. Looks like somebody doesn't have somebody on Ignore. :tsk:

Trader Joe
07-09-2007, 09:52 AM
A lot of encouraging things in this blog - allow me to highlight them



http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2007/07/a_good_early_re.htmlA good early review
Posted by Mike Wells



The Pacers wrapped up their rookie/free agent camp at Conseco Fieldhouse on Sunday.

You can tell things will be different around the Fieldhouse.

New coach Jim O’Brien let the media watch most of practice, which included a lot of scrimmaging. He even kept the curtains around the practice court open, allowing fans on the outside to get sneak peak at the team.

Shawne Williams walked by me after practice Saturday and said, “I’ve never worked this hard in my life.”

I can’t compare O’Brien’s style to Rick Carlisle’s because Carlisle only let the media watch them shoot free throws. I can say this, though, it may only be July, but I like what I see out of O'Brien.

O’Brien is real hands on with his players and preaches fundamental basketball like how to set a screen and where to have your hands positioned on defense. He is quick to praise a player when he does something good.

One, or I should say, a couple of the things that stood out over the weekend is that there is no doubt that O’Brien likes to run and shoot the 3-point shot.

O’Brien and his staff pointed out to players when they took long 2-point shots or had their foot on the 3-point line. O’Brien was constantly telling his players to get the ball up the court quick. He stopped a drill once to point out that the shot clock was down to 20 seconds and they hadn’t crossed half court yet.

Here are a couple of other tidbits

--The Pacers are still looking for a backup point guard.
They’ve talked to the agents of Chucky Atkins, Jason Hart, Mo Williams and Keith McLeod. Tony Delk, who O’Brien coached at Boston and the University of Kentucky, is also a possibility as a third point guard.

--Kareem Rush isn’t as good of a pure shooter as Jason Kapono, but I like his acquisition better because he’s not a one-dimensional player. Rush can put the ball on the ground and attack the basket. Kapono isn’t effective if you take away his shot.


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I cried tears of joy at him stopping practice to correct them for taking more than 4 seconds to get the ball up the court. That, that deserves a banana dance or maybe even TWO banana dances. :dance::bananadan

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 09:53 AM
What just happened right after Buck's post?

Booooooo.....

Unclebuck
07-09-2007, 09:58 AM
What just happened right after Buck's post?

I know, I know. The Pacers just traded away Tinsley. And the whole earth rejoiced.

ChicagoJ
07-09-2007, 10:35 AM
LOL Hahaha OMG friggin Kareem "Wanna-be Kareem Adul Jabar" Rush is NOT a one-dimensional player. :laugh: The very same guy we dump on the friggin WHO? Bobcats? Who is the Bocats? :laugh: and end up with his lazy a$$ getting dump like trash again by the Cats. Wow KAREEM RUSH! :laugh:

By the way, who is the bocats? I looked them up, and I still can't imagine why Kareem Rush was traded to a three-piece cover band in Jacksonville. There isn't an NBA team for hundreds of miles.

http://www.thebocats.com/

To the rest of PD: Do not feed the trolls, and please do not bait them into coming here and littering up our board with garbage like the rest of this post.

The_Showtime
07-09-2007, 11:07 AM
By the way, who is the bocats? I looked them up, and I still can't imagine why Kareem Rush was traded to a three-piece cover band in Jacksonville. There isn't an NBA team for hundreds of miles.

http://www.thebocats.com/

To the rest of PD: Do not feed the trolls, and please do not bait them into coming here and littering up our board with garbage like the rest of this post.
You didn't even give an opportunity to explain. Like I said, I wasn't directing at the direction of the Pacers organization. I was laughing at the writer of the article who thinks Kareem Rush is more important to a team than Jason Kapono.

C'com, are you guys really this sensitive from a fan who just expressed his honesty about certain players who he knew because he once played for us? The writer hyped up and put too much hope in Kareem. From my opinion, when he played for the Lakers, he is a team cancer. Why? because he is lazy and he thinks he has the skill and talent to be a Lakers starter. But in what position he wants? he can't play PG because he has no playmaker or passing ability. He wants to replace Kobe which are one of the reasons he got shipped out of LA.

The guy is a streaky shooter as hell. When he's hot, he can makes 3 with the best of them. But when he's not, don't be surprise of him having a 10-20 game of lackluster performance, while probably not showing up ready for practice.

That is just my 2 cents btw. :happydanc

RWB
07-09-2007, 11:35 AM
C'com, are you guys really this sensitive from a fan who just expressed his honesty about certain players who he knew because he once played for us?

Showtime, not at all. Your last post was great and exactly what PD strives for. Your first post on the subject had that troll feel to it and something this site avoids.

The_Showtime
07-09-2007, 11:53 AM
...what? Replace what?

Bitter table for one, bitter table for one (isn't bitter always a table for ONE)

Anyway he's not the league MVP that Crittenden will clearly be, but hopefully a solid bench guy.

Anyway again, Rush is a shooter on a team that needs shooters, playing for a coach who wants you to shoot. Not and allstar, but like any team if you can find a niche you can be very valuable, now Kapono is as one dimensional as they come, imho, so if Rush can do anything else besides shoot, I can see the argument.

The other side is Rush may never see the court, it's too early to make determinations on any of these guys. It would be as ridiculous as comparing a mid/late first round pick to Chauncy Billups/Baron Davis after one summer league game.

Otherwise, that teacher in Obie and the optimism will go a loooonnnnnngggg way with this group, I think.
Kareem Rush is not a shooter. He's not a consistent shooter like Kapono. You want a guy who is a master of what he's doing rather than a guy who is mediocre with everything he does. Kareem Rush is that guy. He's not good with anything. And his attitude is not something you want on a team.


Showtime, not at all. Your last post was great and exactly what PD strives for. Your first post on the subject had that troll feel to it and something this site avoids.
Okay...I'm not a troll by any mean. I don't how you can't see that. I even bolded the part in the article as a mean to why I inserted the :laugh: icon. If you are talking about troll, looks at MagicRat's post (I don't mean to attack him btw, just an example I want to show). How is a post consist of "boo...." is any better than mine?

It seems to me I got hate because I'm a Lakers fan, and not a Pacers fan in a Pacers forum. :rolleyes:

wintermute
07-09-2007, 11:53 AM
--The Pacers are still looking for a backup point guard.
They’ve talked to the agents of Chucky Atkins, Jason Hart, Mo Williams and Keith McLeod. Tony Delk, who O’Brien coached at Boston and the University of Kentucky, is also a possibility as a third point guard.


what? we're asking mo williams to come play backup pg for us? and to take less money too? no wonder we're not finding success in free agency :-p

it's pretty weird seeing mike wells write sunshiny articles.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 11:53 AM
He even kept the curtains around the practice court open, allowing fans on the outside to get sneak peak at the team.
Now he tells me. Guess I might have to check in there after summer league to see if anyone is around.

bulldog
07-09-2007, 11:58 AM
You know where Obie is much better than Carslisle? Dealing with the media.

Now, Rick was always nice and friendly and he's a good analyst, but he was very "protective" of his guys and kept his hand close to his chest.

Obie loves to set up photo ops, cultivate relationships, and talk to the media.

I guess we know why he's a survivor and keeps getting jobs.

317Kim
07-09-2007, 12:06 PM
what? we're asking mo williams to come play backup pg for us? and to take less money too? no wonder we're not finding success in free agency :-p

it's pretty weird seeing mike wells write sunshiny articles.

Indeed. I feel very :sunshine:.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 12:07 PM
You know where Obie is much better than Carslisle? Dealing with the media.

Now, Rick was always nice and friendly and he's a good analyst, but he was very "protective" of his guys and kept his hand close to his chest.

Obie loves to set up photo ops, cultivate relationships, and talk to the media.

I guess we know why he's a survivor and keeps getting jobs.
I don't think that's really accurate though. I mean he got the hard dump in Philly after a +500 season for team that was clearly in a tough spot, and was sitting out doing small writing jobs for ESPN. He hasn't even done as much with the NBA as Bob Hill. Until Bird pulled him out of nowhere off a couple of phone calls he wasn't in the coaching replacement buzz since the Philly job.


I don't know what to think about the open practice. I don't think it's inherently wrong, but unlike Wells I don't see it as inherently better either. Sure we like it but I'm sure plenty of coaches keep it closed and for good reasons.



On the Rush/Kapono comment, I actually think it's right to criticize Wells here a bit. Based on recent history Showtime's point is dead-on. Kapono is so good at his one dimension that he fits in an NBA plan, while Rush's streaky shooting wasn't compensated by anything else he did because none of it was good enough to have a major impact.

This MIGHT end up being a new Rush, but it will be a rebirth for him if it is, not a natural progression. We all hope it works out for both sides, but it's WAY too early to expect it to be this way. Right now Kapono remains the far better choice, especially considering who Rush is going off the dribble against.

When Rush shoots anywhere close to Kapono's rate AND can get by Billups from time to time, then I'll listen to that angle. Until then I'm very tenative on the acquisition.

Evan_The_Dude
07-09-2007, 12:13 PM
I think 07-08 is going to be a fun season for Pacers basketball. Regardless of wins and losses, it's definitely a new era here. We're finally going to see the kind of basketball we've been wanting to see here for some time. I think we'll be better for two reasons: 1. The players will have fun 2. Because the players will have fun playing, the fans will have fun watching and cheering.

RWB
07-09-2007, 12:22 PM
It seems to me I got hate because I'm a Lakers fan, and not a Pacers fan in a Pacers forum. :rolleyes:

Maybe so, let's ask PD members of other teams that post here like DisplacedKnick 5,972 posts, or Grace (Bulls fan) with 4,113 posts, or Kstat (dreaded Piston's fan) with 13, 431 posts, or Robertmto (Wiz fan) with 3,736 posts, etc.

Showtime, I didn't say you're a troll. I said your first post in this thread had a troll feel, but your second post is what makes this a good site. :buddies:

Robobtowncolt
07-09-2007, 12:24 PM
Booooooo.....

I'm not going to bait you.

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 12:25 PM
I'm not going to bait you.

If you ignore me, hopefully I'll go away....

NuffSaid
07-09-2007, 12:30 PM
"--Kareem Rush isn’t as good of a pure shooter as Jason Kapono, but I like his acquisition better because he’s not a one-dimensional player. Rush can put the ball on the ground and attack the basket. Kapono isn’t effective if you take away his shot."

I think when it's all said and done Pacers fans are going to like that TPTB got Rush at a bargain basement price over Kapono. Maybe we will start to see more options during crunch time instead of the old standard "toss up a 18-20 footer and pray that it's the game winner".

For my money, I'd much rather see a team force the defense to protect the basket from cutters and slasher in the final minutes of a game than I would a team just settle for jump shots. The only way you put a team back on its heals is if you force it to defend you. Having a few slashing options will do that because you're no longer just 1 or 2 dimentional. Add in a slasher when you already have a low-post presence, as well as a deep ball threat and you can throw a team so far off balance it ain't even funny! IMO, adding someone like Rush to the mix - someone who can shoot the deep ball as well as slash to the basket (provided he pans out, of course) - can be a dangerous weapon to have indeed.

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 12:31 PM
Resident Troll

Hey, just because we signed a Kareem means you can take down your avy.

BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I like the cotton candy hair, though.)

able
07-09-2007, 12:32 PM
Hey, just because we signed a Kareem means you can take down your avy.

BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I like the cotton candy hair, though.)

uh oh..... Now you've done it, that troll picture and yours make for a wicked mix, beware of who you try to scare!

QuickRelease
07-09-2007, 01:04 PM
You didn't even give an opportunity to explain. Like I said, I wasn't directing at the direction of the Pacers organization. I was laughing at the writer of the article who thinks Kareem Rush is more important to a team than Jason Kapono.

C'com, are you guys really this sensitive from a fan who just expressed his honesty about certain players who he knew because he once played for us? The writer hyped up and put too much hope in Kareem. From my opinion, when he played for the Lakers, he is a team cancer. Why? because he is lazy and he thinks he has the skill and talent to be a Lakers starter. But in what position he wants? he can't play PG because he has no playmaker or passing ability. He wants to replace Kobe which are one of the reasons he got shipped out of LA.

The guy is a streaky shooter as hell. When he's hot, he can makes 3 with the best of them. But when he's not, don't be surprise of him having a 10-20 game of lackluster performance, while probably not showing up ready for practice.

That is just my 2 cents btw. :happydanc
It's easy to take things for granted when they've been handed to you. But hopefully the time overseas will serve as a wakeup call, since he's had to work his way back. People don't have to be slaves to their past performance. What Rush was as a Laker and as a Bobcat will be as irrelevant as he wants it to be. But this could likely be the defining moment in his career. If there was ever a more tailor made situation than Indiana for him, I don't know where it would be. We are dreadfully thin at the 2, have been playing people out of position there about since Reggie retired, and he brings a skill set to the table that we sorely need. As to the Kapono comparison, I think it's valid from a talent perspective moreso than a past performance perspective. Kapono brings one thing to the table, and that's all. Rush has more all around game than he has, even if he's not the same shooter. I think this will work out as much as Rush allows it to.

cramerica
07-09-2007, 01:05 PM
I don't know what to think about the open practice. I don't think it's inherently wrong, but unlike Wells I don't see it as inherently better either. Sure we like it but I'm sure plenty of coaches keep it closed and for good reasons.

I'm glad he's having open practices. I think the fans will enjoy that more than the closed-door policy that alot of coaches have and right now, our organization needs all the positive pub that it can get.

Unclebuck
07-09-2007, 01:20 PM
I'd be surprised if all practices are open to the public or even the media. Larry Brown opened up training camp practices back when he coached the Pacers and one of my best memories was going to watch one of the practices in Larry's first season up at Purdue. That was one of the best things I ever did and wow Antonio Davis was a revelation at the time. But watching Larry Brown conduct practices was something I'll never forget.

Los Angeles
07-09-2007, 01:20 PM
A few points -

On open practices: don't expect open practices once the season begins.

On the article being "sunshiny": I don't believe that it is. It just seems like reporting to me. So why does it seem "sunshiny"? I think hearing the contrasts between O'Brien's style and Carlisle's style is making all of us giddy from the change. These changes may not equate to wins. It's just different and anything different is being interpreted as good right now.

Enjoy it while it lasts, but please don't get too excited. When we start the season 8-12, don't blow your top either. This will take a while.

We'll inevitably find out if pushing the ball up, stepping back for the 3, revealing methods and style to the press through open practices, and/or overworking your players in practice are good things. Every one of those things could be bad depending on the players you have to work with.

(Example: stepping back for the 3 ain't such a great idea if none of your players shoot above 40% from 3 and above 50% for wide open 3's.)

That said, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with emphasizing hand use on D. That's good all around.

Speed
07-09-2007, 01:24 PM
I'd be surprised if all practices are open to the public or even the media. Larry Brown opened up training camp practices back when he coached the Pacers and one of my best memories was going to watch one of the practices in Larry's first season up at Purdue. That was one of the best things I ever did and wow Antonio Davis was a revelation at the time. But watching Larry Brown conduct practices was something I'll never forget.


Not to be wistful, but I got to sneak a look through the curtains at BSU and see Majerus run a few practices, way cool.

bulldog
07-09-2007, 01:53 PM
Not to be wistful, but I got to sneak a look through the curtains at BSU and see Majerus run a few practices, way cool.

Majerus was a total nutcase. An effective nutcase, but a nutcase. :laugh:

At any time during practice, 3-4 players would be running windsprints for such offenses as shooting short (instead of long; he demanded that if you miss, you miss long) and not communicating. He was old school.

But the nutcase part: the famous incident in Utah where he brought out soiled tissue paper as a metaphor for how effectively his team had played.

Perhaps it would have been best if those practices had been closed to the public.


I don't think that's really accurate though. I mean he got the hard dump in Philly after a +500 season for team that was clearly in a tough spot, and was sitting out doing small writing jobs for ESPN. He hasn't even done as much with the NBA as Bob Hill. Until Bird pulled him out of nowhere off a couple of phone calls he wasn't in the coaching replacement buzz since the Philly job.

Good point. Perhaps then he's putting an emphasis on being more open to make good with the local media and avoid being run out of town again during what are sure to be some trying years for Pacers fans.

mike_D
07-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Kareem Rush is not a shooter. He's not a consistent shooter like Kapono. You want a guy who is a master of what he's doing rather than a guy who is mediocre with everything he does. Kareem Rush is that guy. He's not good with anything. And his attitude is not something you want on a team.


Okay...I'm not a troll by any mean. I don't how you can't see that. I even bolded the part in the article as a mean to why I inserted the :laugh: icon. If you are talking about troll, looks at MagicRat's post (I don't mean to attack him btw, just an example I want to show). How is a post consist of "boo...." is any better than mine?

It seems to me I got hate because I'm a Lakers fan, and not a Pacers fan in a Pacers forum. :rolleyes:



Can we also stop making Kapono out to be Reggie Miller or Ray Allan. The man is a spot up shooter(very good at what he does)If anything the guy is a bigger version of Steve Kerr.

Tom White
07-09-2007, 02:46 PM
I don't know what to think about the open practice. I don't think it's inherently wrong, but unlike Wells I don't see it as inherently better either. Sure we like it but I'm sure plenty of coaches keep it closed and for good reasons.



Well, here's one idea.

This is a team that needs to re-connect with the market. BADLY needs to re-connect. Warming up to the media, instead of shutting the practice doors in their faces may prove helpful in doing that. Let the media see how hard the team is working to get back to where it needs to be, and to report on that.

On the other hand, it is only rookie/free agent practice, so who knows what the regular season may bring in terms of open practices.

Speed
07-09-2007, 02:52 PM
Majerus was a total nutcase. An effective nutcase, but a nutcase. :laugh:

At any time during practice, 3-4 players would be running windsprints for such offenses as shooting short (instead of long; he demanded that if you miss, you miss long) and not communicating. He was old school.

But the nutcase part: the famous incident in Utah where he brought out soiled tissue paper as a metaphor for how effectively his team had played.

Perhaps it would have been best if those practices had been closed to the public.


Good point. Perhaps then he's putting an emphasis on being more open to make good with the local media and avoid being run out of town again during what are sure to be some trying years for Pacers fans.


I saw him scream for 15 minutes protecting and grabbing his "area" trying to show Paris McKurdy how to set a pick, his face was red and I thought he was going to pass out.

D23
07-09-2007, 02:53 PM
This MIGHT end up being a new Rush, but it will be a rebirth for him if it is, not a natural progression. We all hope it works out for both sides, but it's WAY too early to expect it to be this way. Right now Kapono remains the far better choice, especially considering who Rush is going off the dribble against.

When Rush shoots anywhere close to Kapono's rate AND can get by Billups from time to time, then I'll listen to that angle. Until then I'm very tenative on the acquisition.

I agree. But the important part that still hadn't been mentioned in this thread is the price we got Rush for. Kapono demanded a healthy chunk of cash and got it from the Raps. For the amount we're paying Rush, we can afford to take the risk and hope he pans out.

mike_D
07-09-2007, 05:16 PM
I agree. But the important part that still hadn't been mentioned in this thread is the price we got Rush for. Kapono demanded a healthy chunk of cash and got it from the Raps. For the amount we're paying Rush, we can afford to take the risk and hope he pans out.

We got great value for Rush who I believe will be in the rotation. Is he as good a shooter as Kapono? If you go by percentages absolutely not, and as a spot up shooter no way, its not even close.The thing about Rush is even when he was on the Lakers and Bobcats is he can create his own shot and you can use him to come off screens, he can hit shots off the dribble.Is a consistant dead eye Reggie Miller, Ray Allen shooter? Nope but he is somebody who should be able to score some points for us off the bench and he is somebody you can't really leave open.

Hicks
07-09-2007, 05:28 PM
I think Rush will do just fine hitting 3's if we can get him open looks, which seems to be one of the biggest focal points of our offense.

Also, was I the only one who thought "it sounds like Stephen Jackson" when I read the Laker fans' criticism of Rush's shooting?

And before I get flanked, I'm only comparing the shooting.

ChicagoJ
07-09-2007, 05:48 PM
Also, was I the only one who thought "it sounds like Stephen Jackson" when I read the Laker fans' criticism of Rush's shooting?


I noticed the comment. I don't know enough about Rush to have an opinion on this.

I just have a hard time believing that a veteran FA looking to use the summer league to get back into the league is going to get a lot of playing time once the regular season begins.

Right now, I look at Rush as Rawle Marshall's replacement. And he may be an upgrade, but right now I think we've got all this hubbub over a guy that's probably going to play less than 400 minutes.

(I hope he proves me wrong, I just can't come up with any reason why we're even spending so much cyber bandwidth - or why The Star is using this much ink - talking about this guy. Except, of course, that Bird promised "a shooter, one of the best in the league" and so far this is what we've been given...)

owl
07-09-2007, 06:07 PM
But the nutcase part: the famous incident in Utah where he brought out soiled tissue paper as a metaphor for how effectively his team had played.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++


Majerus did that? I always thought that was a BK thing. Well if he did'nt I am pretty sure he thought about it. :-)

Hicks
07-09-2007, 06:12 PM
Well, they used as much ink on a guy who isn't even here with guaranteed money, so where's the complaining about that?

ChicagoJ
07-09-2007, 06:51 PM
Well, they used as much ink on a guy who isn't even here with guaranteed money, so where's the complaining about that?

Not sure I follow you?

Hicks
07-09-2007, 06:55 PM
There's an article on that Owens guy and it looks about as long as the one on Kareem Rush. So clearly the Pacers are hyping him up too, right? By that logic, it seems to be the case.

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Actually, there's been two articles on Rush, plus a blog entry, plus one on Pacers.com, where Owens shared an article with David Logan.

[edit] As I remember, Rim is keeping a running total of the word count.

ChicagoJ
07-09-2007, 07:05 PM
Oh, I haven't even touched that thread/ article yet.

Who's Owens? :blush:

See - I don't really pay much attention to the summer league roster/ news/ whatever because its rare that one of those players even makes the roster. But there isn't anything else to write about this time of the year. In reality, there isn't anything at all to write about this time of year, but they (a) know we're hungry for whatever "news" they can give us, and (b) need to fill pages in order to sell ads on those pages, so they print stuff anyway.

JayRedd
07-09-2007, 07:10 PM
Actually, there's been two articles on Rush, plus a blog entry, plus one on Pacers.com, where Owens shared an article with David Logan.

[edit] As I remember, Rim is keeping a running total of the word count.


They're just giving the people what they want. Streets can't wait.

idioteque
07-09-2007, 07:51 PM
Hmm, in that article it says we're thinking about picking up Tony Delk as a 3rd PG, that really wouldn't bother me.

I know it sounds ridiculous to be harping on this but I think he's definately an above average 3rd PG that has backup PG talent. It's kind of like when we had Haywoode Workman as a third PG. Sure, his offense was terrible, but he was a nice defender and served his purpose. Delk doesn't have any particular redeeming quality, but he's solid all the way around.

If having good second and third string point guards is one of the more exciting things about this team, then I worry about my sanity for the upcoming year, however.

Oneal07
07-09-2007, 08:04 PM
Man, O'Brien is gonna make this team a winner!!! I'm glad to hear some positive stuff!!!

Anthem
07-09-2007, 10:42 PM
Tony Delk? These are our off-season moves?

Bizarre.

Raskolnikov
07-10-2007, 02:51 AM
I really don't like the "step back for a 3" philosophy. Imo you oughta take your shots in the flow of the offense.

Other than that, I've only read good things about our new coach thus far.

RWB
07-10-2007, 09:19 AM
Tony Delk? These are our off-season moves?

Bizarre.

Bizarre only if the Pacers are in rebuilding mode. Makes complete sense if their goal is to only make the playoffs. Veteran teams with little talent go no where in post season, but they do grab that 8 or 7 spot. :rolleyes:

JayRedd
07-10-2007, 10:34 AM
Tony Delk? These are our off-season moves?

Bizarre.

Well, we need 15 players.

If we aren't gonna re-sign McLeod, Delk works. He's a good, heady vet who played well under JO'B in Boston. He also seemed to be an "O'Brien-guy" and would was relied on quite a bit to get in there and run the team when Kenny Anderson was going through his less-graceful lapses as team general. I remember Delk often going over to the sidelines to talk up-close with JO'B and they always seemed to communicate well and see eye-to-eye.

That was 5-6 years ago, of course, and he's definitely lost some little foot-speed. If he's not able to go by anyone any more on the bounce, it will limit his effectiveness, but I still don't mind him on the bench as a classy vet who can help teach the other guards what they should be doing and where they should be standing and how they should space the floor on the break, all of which are pretty key to what JO'B will be trying to do.