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A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

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    A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

    Tickets are on sale now:

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/game5...ts_040524.html

    Now, let me first say I know alot of you live far away. I get that. I'm certainly not gonna ask anyone to fly in, and I know gas prices are gonna be a b!tch considering it's Memorial Day weekend.

    However, I beg anyone here to please get tickets if they can. That's including any Piston fans (I'll get to that in a minute.) Seriously, I cannot stress this enough. The reason why I'm on my knees typing this right now:

    In my six years of having season tickets, tonight was the WORST crowd I have ever seen in an important game.

    I am dead serious. The only game I can think of that even comes close was Game 1 of the ECF against NY in '99. But after I think about it, that game was still better, because, a) it was in MSA, and b) I do remember times throughout the game that the crowd would get it together and implore the team to play better. Not tonight.

    As for why the crowd was so bad, I don't know. Maybe the crowd inheritantly feeds on offense, which you aren't gonna see in this series. But then, the offense wasn't a whole lot better in Game 1, and that was one of the best crowds I've seen at Conseco. So, again, I don't know.

    What I do know is that anyone on this board is die hard enough to cheer more than the vast majority of people I saw tonight. And, if Piston fans want to come down, I welcome them, because I know their presence just eggs the crowd on. I never thought I'd wish for those idiots we had in section 225 to be back, but at least people would of responded in kind.

    As I've said before, I lost my voice after Game 1, and it was dicey going to the game tonight. Maybe my adrenline got it going, but I was surprised that I was able to cheer resonably okay. Not great, but servicable, and it did get pretty bad in the 4th (just like Reb's, if anyone noticed.) Still, I was the loudest guy I heard around me. I had to implore people to stand up and cheer a couple times in the middle of the 4th, which, if you knew me, is an absurd image. Yes, the crowd did finally wake up after Rip's three straight buckets, but that was still too little, too late.

    Anyway, that's enough. I know if anyone were to come to town, there's no way they'll be able to find a hotel room, because of the 500. I wish I were in a position to offer housing, but sadly, I'm not.

    ----

    Okay, on to my other thoughts.

    Before the game, they played a clip of, I **** you not, dancing bananas, with the logo "Go Bananas". I've seen it before, but I never made the connection to , so when I did I figured it was a sign we'd win for sure. They even replayed it in the 4th, but alas, maybe they should have gone with the far superior .

    :

    As for the game play, I was ready to crucify Austin after how bad I felt he played in Game 1, but after tonight, I've changed my mind. He should get Al's minutes. That's painful for me to say, because I'm certainly not Austin's biggest fan, and Al's still a better defender, but it's just too painful watching Al play right now. Fred looked like he's back to being healthy, so he should get more run, too.

    I finally see what K-Stat sees in Prince. He played impressive D tonight, something I felt long before the block.

    Also, I have to give major props to Detroit for how they played without Ben. Frankly, that's when we lost the game, IMO, when we didn't take advantage of his absense.

    That said, we all know why we didn't take advantage. No Tinsley. Jamaal getting that 4th foul, what was it, 4 seconds into the 3rd quarter, was physically painful to me. Now, granted, I haven't watched a replay of the game tonight, but from my vantage point, more than a couple of those fouls seemed like advertisements for Tic Tacs, the freshmaker.

    Which brings us to the officating. Granted, again, I haven't seen the tape, but, ohhhhh nelly. There was a time where they called a jump ball on Johnny that was just stupifying. As my sister said, "Would you rather they called travelling." To which I replied, "Yea, at least they would of gotten one call right!!!" Though, they also could of called a foul or just not called anything.

    Now, I've heard alot of b!tching about Bennett Salvatore the last couple years, and at first, I didn't really see it. A long time ago I thought he was pretty good, then he started screwing us on calls, but nothing that really affected a game. As time went by, he got worse and worse in my eyes, but he still wasn't awful. My sister hated him, but not me. Until tonight.

    Tonight, Bennett Salvatore ascended to the patheon, the Richard Bavetta Memorial Officating Hall of Shame, a lifelong dream, I'm sure. And I've lost all respect for Jim Clark, which is someone I had alot of respect for, not as a lead official, but as a secondary. Putrid officiating tonight. Absolutely awful. Yes, it went both ways. But when one team gets 10 more FT's and wins by 5 it's still a factor. The fact that Ben didn't get another foul after his first two is criminal. Reminds me of the time Shaq played the entire 4th in game 4 of the Finals with 5 fouls, while 3 Pacers got their 4th, 5th and 6th fouls.

    As for the future, I'm fairly optimistic. We were the best road team in the regular season, and Milwaukee and NJ have already beaten Detroit at home (two losses is two losses K-Stat, save your excuses.) I'm pretty confident we'll win 1 of 2. Which, brings me back to the babbling at the beginning of my post. Game 5 will be pivotal, and we need real fans who will cheer their asses off.

    But then, I thought we'd win 1 in Boston last year, so what the hell do I know.
    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!
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    Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

    yeah I posted a link to tickets on sale but it got kicked down pretty quick with all the other post ...hehe

    btw I already got my game 5 tickets

    Direct Link to buy Tickets for Game 5
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    • #3
      Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

      yeah it sounded not to loud on tv ...
      fred healthy? he had a wide open 3 and airballed it. I donno about that :-/
      PACK THE HOUSE! If we are tied or down it will need to be!

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      • #4
        Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

        Kegboy I agree with you. The crowd tonight was not like a ECF crowd should be. Sure, the crowd got loud when we hit a 3, or when we asked them to in timeouts, but where were they when we were playing D. I maybe heard 3 "defense" chants all night, while Sat I heard the d chants all night. I was also amazed at the lack of noise when Detroit was at the line. ****, even if you cant yell cuz your voice is gone the least you can do is wave the balloon. I dont care if were down 20 or up 20, it's the ECF in our house and tonight the crowd was not effective.

        All I know is this: when Game 5 goes down this Sunday - the crowd better be loud as **** from jump. This is a war and our guys feed off of us...

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        • #5
          Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

          Where there ALOT of Piston fans there? I sure did sound like it!! Every time the Pistons scored cheers ranged down.

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          • #6
            Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

            Where there ALOT of Piston fans there? I sure did sound like it!! Every time the Pistons scored cheers ranged down.
            That's bad when you hear the D fans over the Pacers fans in Conseco.

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            • #7
              Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

              Where there ALOT of Piston fans there? I sure did sound like it!! Every time the Pistons scored cheers ranged down.
              I didn't see many. I saw a couple in my section, but they weren't up cheering. Maybe if they had people would of responded in kind.
              Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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              • #8
                Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                I saw a few.

                My least favorite was the stoner-looking dude in a Grant Hill jersey taking a leak by my car in the parking lot........
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                • #9
                  Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                  Where there ALOT of Piston fans there? I sure did sound like it!! Every time the Pistons scored cheers ranged down.
                  That's bad when you hear the D fans over the Pacers fans in Conseco.
                  I remember one game the Palace bused down like 2 or 3,000 people to Cleveland for a Cavs game. Man it was so funny!! That Cavs were getting blown out and all the Piston fans were cheering for the Stones!!

                  They also bused a 1,000 or so employees to the last game in Toronto. So funny

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                  • #10
                    Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                    One more thing about the officiating. There is nothing worse than when refs pull what I call the bait and switch. It's where at the beginning of the game, the other team is fouling you left and right, and they call it. Your opponent is in early foul trouble, and you're rolling. But then, they realize for whatever reason they can't call the game like this the whole way, so they start compensating. They stop calling fouls on your opponent, and start calling ticky-tack stuff on you.

                    When things were going great in the first I just knew the refs were gonna more than make up for it later. It got so bad, I was convinced they were gonna make up for Billups double-dribbling by giving Tinsley his 6th.

                    Does anyone else see stuff like this, or am I just crazy?
                    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                    • #11
                      Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                      One more thing about the officiating. There is nothing worse than when refs pull what I call the bait and switch. It's where at the beginning of the game, the other team is fouling you left and right, and they call it. Your opponent is in early foul trouble, and you're rolling. But then, they realize for whatever reason they can't call the game like this the whole way, so they start compensating. They stop calling fouls on your opponent, and start calling ticky-tack stuff on you.

                      When things were going great in the first I just knew the refs were gonna more than make up for it later. It got so bad, I was convinced they were gonna make up for Billups double-dribbling by giving Tinsley his 6th.

                      Does anyone else see stuff like this, or am I just crazy?
                      Yeah, I noticed early in the first half that the Pacers were getting a lot of calls their way. In the second half I noticed the opposite.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                        My *** is gonna be there. In game 1, I was screamin the whole time. I'm not gonna stop for this game.


                        I'm takin signs too! Especially one for this website...

                        I'm pumped and ready for right now!

                        COME ON EVERYONE!



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                        • #13
                          Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                          Got mine, Section 224.

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                          • #14
                            Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                            One more thing about the officiating. There is nothing worse than when refs pull what I call the bait and switch. It's where at the beginning of the game, the other team is fouling you left and right, and they call it. Your opponent is in early foul trouble, and you're rolling. But then, they realize for whatever reason they can't call the game like this the whole way, so they start compensating. They stop calling fouls on your opponent, and start calling ticky-tack stuff on you.

                            When things were going great in the first I just knew the refs were gonna more than make up for it later. It got so bad, I was convinced they were gonna make up for Billups double-dribbling by giving Tinsley his 6th.

                            Does anyone else see stuff like this, or am I just crazy?
                            I see it all the time, which is why I get worried when I see bogus calls in our favor during the first half.

                            In this case, though, I think everybody got screwed equally. That doesn't make it right.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #15
                              Re: A plea to all without tickets for Game 5

                              Does anyone else see stuff like this, or am I just crazy?
                              You've described it the way I feel about it too.

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