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Kegboy
07-07-2007, 05:05 PM
Figured I should just start a generic thread for stuff that's not worth it's own.

Anyway, just checked the GS/NO game, and Belinelli has 24 points at half on 9/11 shooting.

Here's the game: http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/11562/500_nba-liveevent_060611.asx

The Hustler
07-07-2007, 05:34 PM
Bellinelli is shooting lights out ... but lets be honest, thats all he does!
He doesnt rebound, pass or handle particularly well and his defending is modest! .... as a sharpshooter, spot up or off screens he looks good, but from what i've watched him do in the game, i cant say any of the rest of his game even slightly inspires me!

Kegboy
07-07-2007, 05:38 PM
Actually, from the little I've seen here, I've been impressed with his speed, and he's got 5 boards.

And One!

The Hustler
07-07-2007, 05:47 PM
yeah that and 1 was sweet i will give him that .... his movement is good ... hes very eagar to run on a fast break... i've spent most of this game just watching him, very few of the other players interest me at all.

I dont expect him to get 5 boards very often! i think most of those have been long boards but i cant be sure.



just seeing that transition dunk kinda solidifies the quick to get out! ...

Kegboy
07-07-2007, 05:50 PM
37 points on 14/20 shooting, 5/7 from the arc, 4/6 FTs :blush:. Played all 40 minutes, too. Very impressive.

DeS
07-07-2007, 07:49 PM
Thanks for the link Kegboy!
BTW, I'd exchange Bellinelli with any guard from our roster.

The Hustler
07-07-2007, 07:56 PM
anyone watching the sixers pistons

been an ok match so far but tis 85 - 83 with 24 left!

pistons ball 2 points down!

idioteque
07-07-2007, 08:00 PM
If the first thing you can ***** about in regards to Belinelli, a 2 guard who can shoot the lights out, is that he is a poor rebounder, than well, I think he is definately doing something right.

Kstat
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
anyone watching the sixers pistons

been an ok match so far but tis 85 - 83 with 24 left!

pistons ball 2 points down!

Stuckey is CLUTCH.

The Hustler
07-07-2007, 08:13 PM
If the first thing you can ***** about in regards to Belinelli, a 2 guard who can shoot the lights out, is that he is a poor rebounder, than well, I think he is definately doing something right.

woooooh! .... my view was that he had little in his game other than his shooting and movement.

Dont get me wrong ... i think hes very good at what he does and could be a good scorer! ... but what im saying is that is the only part of his game that impresses me. His Defense, passing etc isnt all that good. In no way did i intend to B***h about his game ... I agree he did something right, just a lot of people will look at that boxscore and think it was an amzing all round performance but in my opinion, from watching the game, was it wasnt quite that, just a very good shooting display.


As for Pistons Sixers .. Stuckey came up big! ... as far as pressure free throws in the summer league (what a comment!) they dont get much bigger than that!

Kstat
07-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Stuckey to Meija for threeeeeeee!

Pistons win at the buzzer! :dance:

Kstat
07-07-2007, 08:14 PM
in all seriousness, that was a great game from the last 5 minutes on.

idioteque
07-07-2007, 08:17 PM
woooooh! .... my view was that he had little in his game other than his shooting and movement.

Dont get me wrong ... i think hes very good at what he does and could be a good scorer! ... but what im saying is that is the only part of his game that impresses me. His Defense, passing etc isnt all that good. In no way did i intend to B***h about his game ... I agree he did something right, just a lot of people will look at that boxscore and think it was an amzing all round performance but in my opinion, from watching the game, was it wasnt quite that, just a very good shooting display.


As for Pistons Sixers .. Stuckey came up big! ... as far as pressure free throws in the summer league (what a comment!) they dont get much bigger than that!

For some reason I really like players who roam around the arc and just can pour in shots, and I can get a bit angry sometimes when they're ridiculed for other things, it's kinda unfair and it's my bad. :blush:

I am just sayin that for the 18th pick in the draft Belinelli looks like he'll be pretty good. He's already got a nice touch and good court awareness and he'll probably be at least okay at taking it to the basket in the 2nd-5th seasons or so of his career, when he's in his prime.

When he's older he can roam the arc or come off screens and just rain in 3's.

He's not the next superstar of the league by any means, but I think he'll make GS pretty happy since they really lack good shooting.

The Hustler
07-07-2007, 08:28 PM
For some reason I really like players who roam around the arc and just can pour in shots, and I can get a bit angry sometimes when they're ridiculed for other things, it's kinda unfair and it's my bad. :blush:

I am just sayin that for the 18th pick in the draft Belinelli looks like he'll be pretty good. He's already got a nice touch and good court awareness and he'll probably be at least okay at taking it to the basket in the 2nd-5th seasons or so of his career, when he's in his prime.

When he's older he can roam the arc or come off screens and just rain in 3's.

He's not the next superstar of the league by any means, but I think he'll make GS pretty happy since they really lack good shooting.


Agreed!

I hope for them that his shooting continues to be good enough to make up for the turnovers a Defence!



In the pistons game, the last 5 mins in regulation and the OT period was very good basketball! i hate to say it, but the pistons came up big when it mattered! and the sixers when they needed the baskets either to win or tie didnt get good shots, and again, hate to say it, cause of very good defence ...

Spurs Vs Cavs next ... even if it is 1 30 am!

idioteque
07-07-2007, 08:30 PM
Agreed!

I hope for them that his shooting continues to be good enough to make up for the turnovers a Defence!




You'd hope that GSW would at least be able to turn him into a decent perimeter defender since he's so young and good at other things already. It's something that they could concentrate on with him.

And with the turnovers, he shouldn't really be handling the ball that much anyway in real games since GSW has plenty of slashers, but I agree that his ability to take care of the ball needs to be improved.

aero
07-07-2007, 09:20 PM
so whos getting ready to play right now ?

kellogg
07-07-2007, 11:17 PM
There was a time when I would get all hyped over summer league scores, too...but that all went down the drain 2 years ago when i watched Harrison dominate the summer league and schooled Bogut, who was the #1 pick then. But then Harrison did nothing during the last two seasons.

Likewise, at the same summer league, Nikoloz Tskitishvili looked like an All-Star, only to flop that season.

Basically, these summer leagues are nice and fun to watch, but the level of competition is pretty mediocre. Guys can score a lot because they're either playing against guys who are NBDL/ABA/Euro/Playground-lifers, or fellow rookie draftees.

I don't lose a lot of sleep that the Pacers didn't get one of these guys...after all, we're waiting on the 'emergence' of Stanko in 3-4 years. Remember, Larry likes to bring these guys over here when they're 25-26-27...they've been through it all by then, playing against the top notch players over there like Sarunas, Maceo, and Lorbek.

pwee31
07-08-2007, 12:50 PM
And a few people were complaining about international players, when I was calling for the Pacers to draft Belinelli! Of course it's just a summer league, but you guys are getting a taste!

NapTonius Monk
07-08-2007, 02:15 PM
Belinelli is awesome. I wish we could have gotten him. Also, I wish the Pacers would've gone after Darius Rice. That guy is a lights out 3 point shooter. It's unreal.

idioteque
07-08-2007, 03:33 PM
Today at 4pm is Greg Oden vs. Desagana Diop, who is a serviceable NBA center for the Mavericks.

Should be an interesting matchup.

And if Diop is somehow cut by the Mavs, the Pacers should consider signing him because he's actually a true center.

NapTonius Monk
07-08-2007, 04:36 PM
Today at 4pm is Greg Oden vs. Desagana Diop, who is a serviceable NBA center for the Mavericks.

Should be an interesting matchup.

And if Diop is somehow cut by the Mavs, the Pacers should consider signing him because he's actually a true center.

If we keep Jermaine, we should look at picking up Jamaal Magloire.

Robertmto
07-08-2007, 04:37 PM
WTF.... does anybody have a link to watch the games??

spreedom
07-08-2007, 04:54 PM
WTF.... does anybody have a link to watch the games??

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

Here's Dallas/Portland.. opens in windows media player.

And whoever mentioned Diop possibly getting cut by the Mavs -- I wouldn't count on it. The guy is in a contract year, playing the best ball of his career, and well on his way to a fat contract extension courtesy of one of the NBA's elite. He ain't goin nowhere.

Robertmto
07-08-2007, 05:15 PM
http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9912/500_nba-league_pass_dallas_051201.asx

Here's Dallas/Portland.. opens in windows media player.

:dance::dance:

bulldog
07-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Anyone watching the Dal/Por game?

Oden has his second stinker, looked just awful and in foul trouble again, and then apparently Stern called in a favor and the refs let him take about 7 steps on the way to a clutch bucket.

I know its way too early and I won't really take any conclusions from this, but Oden has looked just horrible.

Rodgriguez and Aldridge look great though.

addition: I particularly dislike how Oden attempts to break the backboard with every dunk. There were 2 seconds left, the game was over and everyone stopped playing, but he throws it down like he's filming a Sprite commercial, hanging on the rim and stuff. You just lost, Greggy.

Eh, I'm sure he'll get it together, he's too much of a specimen not to, and apparently he has a great work ethic, but there may be a bit of a journey ahead for him.

JayRedd
07-08-2007, 06:11 PM
Today at 4pm is Greg Oden vs. Desagana Diop, who is a serviceable NBA center for the Mavericks.

Should be an interesting matchup.

And if Diop is somehow cut by the Mavs, the Pacers should consider signing him because he's actually a true center.

I believe they're pretty high on Diop. They would never cut him. In fact, I believe they're trying to unload Dampier because of his contract and would be fine starting Diop.

Rajah Brown
07-08-2007, 06:17 PM
Anyone have a MILW-LAL link ? Wonder if Bynum is playing...

Hicks
07-08-2007, 06:26 PM
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/scoreboard.jsp

I clicked WATCH and it worked for me. I logged in with the account that has my NBA League Pass account entered in, so that may have something to do with it, but it shouldn't.

bellisimo
07-08-2007, 06:54 PM
Bellinelli is shooting lights out ... but lets be honest, thats all he does!
He doesnt rebound, pass or handle particularly well and his defending is modest! .... as a sharpshooter, spot up or off screens he looks good, but from what i've watched him do in the game, i cant say any of the rest of his game even slightly inspires me!

sounds like a young Reggie to me ;)

Trader Joe
07-08-2007, 08:38 PM
Anyone watching the Dal/Por game?

Oden has his second stinker, looked just awful and in foul trouble again, and then apparently Stern called in a favor and the refs let him take about 7 steps on the way to a clutch bucket.

I know its way too early and I won't really take any conclusions from this, but Oden has looked just horrible.

Rodgriguez and Aldridge look great though.

addition: I particularly dislike how Oden attempts to break the backboard with every dunk. There were 2 seconds left, the game was over and everyone stopped playing, but he throws it down like he's filming a Sprite commercial, hanging on the rim and stuff. You just lost, Greggy.

Eh, I'm sure he'll get it together, he's too much of a specimen not to, and apparently he has a great work ethic, but there may be a bit of a journey ahead for him.

A couple technical fouls will stop the rim hanging thing. Its one of the things I really hate about him though. Its become such a habit for him now though.

bulldog
07-08-2007, 08:49 PM
Yi moves his feet pretty well for his size.

...and Holy Shannon Brown, Batman! Someone get me a youtube link. Damn!

Also, Rick is commentating the Cavs/China game. And he loves Boobie Gibson.

idioteque
07-08-2007, 10:11 PM
I believe they're pretty high on Diop. They would never cut him. In fact, I believe they're trying to unload Dampier because of his contract and would be fine starting Diop.

You're probably right, like I'd say there is a 99% chance you are.

But I gotta let the homerism seep through sometimes in these trying times. :cool:

pwee31
07-08-2007, 11:38 PM
Rudy G. seems to be using the Summer League to work on his dunks!

Anthem
07-09-2007, 12:46 AM
...and Holy Shannon Brown, Batman! Someone get me a youtube link. Damn!
What was this in regards to?

underwave
07-09-2007, 04:49 AM
i read an article and it says that oden is not in good condition due to his pre-draft events which obviously made him unable to maintain good condition. i hope he gets better and show all nba fans what he got.

in the other hand belinelli rocked my world.:rockon2:i saw the game on nba.com. whew. he really shoots the hell out of him. despite the poor defense level the summer league have, he moved fast and shot fast. it reminded me of reggie, too. after watching the game i thought ' the shooter bird was trying to, which failed, obtain on the draft 07 belinelli?'. past thoughts but worth dreaming for a slight second.:)

hope shawne and kareem show us some positive plays in the pepsi summer league:happydanc

Frantz
07-09-2007, 06:36 AM
I'm italian end of course I'm very happy for Belinelli.

I always say that Belinelli was THE guy for the Pacers...a player who we need a lot!

bulldog
07-09-2007, 08:21 AM
What was this in regards to?

Amazing dunk he threw down over approximately half of the Chinese National Team.

Check out http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/, then play of the day on the right.

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 09:09 AM
George Galante and Dante Marchitelli return to call the action again this year.......:woohoo:

Orien Greene and John Edwards are on the Miami roster. Hopefully they aren't too angry at being released and don't take it out on the Pacers poor summer leaguers......:arrgh:

naptownmenace
07-09-2007, 10:39 AM
So none of the Pacers games are being shown on NBA.com? That sux. :grumble:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/scoreboard.jsp?date=07/09/2007

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 10:46 AM
They're supposedly gonna show them here:

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/07summerleague.html

Kinda wierd that NBA.com is all over the Vegas league, but they act like Orlando and Utah's don't exist.

317Kim
07-09-2007, 10:52 AM
Well, today's the big day. Get hype!

I'm excited to see Kareem and Shawne out there together.

JayRedd
07-09-2007, 12:05 PM
Amazing dunk he threw down over approximately half of the Chinese National Team.

Check out http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/, then play of the day on the right.

I know this guy is gonna be good in the NBA some day.

Meanwhile, the 2006 Draft is starting to look a lot better. In terms of guard depth anyway.

Look at 20-30:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft

Rondo, Marcus Williams, Lowry, Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez and Maurice Ager.

JayRedd
07-09-2007, 12:43 PM
Yahoo's take so far. Critteton and Farmar both show up. As does Hilton Armstrong, who I think is gonna be a defensive beast in this League.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-summerleague070807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Summer league report


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July 8, 2007

LAS VEGAS – Here is who shined and struggled in NBA summer league play Saturday and Sunday, according to various front-office personnel and scouts around the league.

SHINING
1. LaMarcus Aldridge (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4130/;_ylt=Ao0pnUvyzI1eRaLcSBzzZsgQmNIF), Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/;_ylt=AlXt9ppcAcbqfvAl1L2.QB0QmNIF) – Aldridge continued his impressive play in Vegas. He is shooting well from the outside and has a nice turnaround baseline jumper. He finished Sunday's game with 16 points and 11 rebounds in a 72-68 loss to Dallas.

2. Spencer Hawes (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4288/;_ylt=AufnJ_p42.AC4gqwPBdXAmoQmNIF), Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/;_ylt=At4uFB9olij68Q23ThTW9dMQmNIF) – Hawes played well with his back to the basket, displaying good footwork and showing a variety of low-post moves, including a turnaround jumper. He also stepped out and hit a couple of jump shots. He finished with 19 points (on 9-for-14 shooting) and seven rebounds as Sacramento defeated Team China 73-47.

3. Greg Oden (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4243/;_ylt=Ap0OJAbdbJNmz72utlO5BOcQmNIF), Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/;_ylt=AkXPcJufLRsnDLQYUMbU5_4QmNIF) – Oden still was not great (anything was going to be an improvement over Friday's debacle in which he committed 10 fouls and scored six points), but he played much better on Sunday. He was much more active both offensively and defensively, soaring way above the rim to throw down a thunderous dunk as well as blocking four shots. He finished Sunday's game with 13 points and five rebounds in a losing effort.

4. Jose Juan Barea (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4203/;_ylt=Ai0rkJ2cKSSHI8wHOQoGB20QmNIF), Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/;_ylt=AgRlg6lz8Qnb0G2a2nVBEIcQmNIF) – He has played solidly in both of the Mavs' victories. On Friday, Barea finished with 14 points and nine assists and followed that up with 17 points and three assists on Sunday. He is strong with the basketball, gets into the lane and makes good decisions.

5. Marco Belinelli (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4296/;_ylt=As3r32PRcmDgl2GvSvcIpt8QmNIF), Golden State Warriors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/;_ylt=AvKbytT2fw8Nxn_ucom4u6sQmNIF) – If he consistently shoots like he did on Saturday, then Golden State got the steal of last month's draft. Belinelli hit from anywhere and everywhere, making 14 of 20 shots from the floor and five of seven on three-pointers as he led the Warriors with 37 points in a 110-102 win over New Orleans.

6. Hilton Armstrong (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4140/;_ylt=AnluU3snkNxD3.07jobV.7IQmNIF), New Orleans Hornets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nor/;_ylt=AhL51IU1BcJSgpXRNnI4meUQmNIF) – Armstrong could be a low-post presence in his second season. On Saturday against Golden State, he showed decent moves around the basket and was active defensively and on the boards, finishing with 17 points, five rebounds and two blocks in only 19 minutes.

7. Jason Maxiell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3952/;_ylt=AvtX8OZc3hQbqV5bkIx2.t0QmNIF), Detroit Pistons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/det/;_ylt=Apgdbki4cfbjqygtrsaIbOgQmNIF) – Maxiell played very well Saturday in displaying a solid low-post game and a nice touch on his jumper. Obviously, he is taking summer league very seriously, having lost all the excess fat he had in college. Maxiell finished Saturday's 91-89 victory over Philadelphia with 22 points on 7-for-10 shooting.

8. Javaris Crittenton (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4297/;_ylt=AtOTzRPHe9AE6Os1Q2KwcwsQmNIF), Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/;_ylt=AlLenmt3AUNPFi2zssTLQu8QmNIF) – He might be the answer for the Lakers at the point guard position. Crittenton displayed nice poise and shot the ball well (8-for-13 for 18 points) in a 66-64 win over Milwaukee. He is very good at changing speeds while handling the basketball, making one move where he hesitated at the top of the key and then exploded to the basket for a resounding dunk.

STRUGGLING
1. Francisco Garcia (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3949/;_ylt=AnsGLuQacAVhp9bLIS3cJw8QmNIF), Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/;_ylt=ArLxBKpObVKud26H8Uw5AKsQmNIF) – Garcia continues to have trouble with consistency. He shot a poor 6-for-18 from the field on Saturday and had five turnovers. He did, however, mix in some nice passes. Unfortunately, the Kings do not need flash next season; they need a reliable contributor.

2. Yi Jianlian (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4284/;_ylt=AqhsMHrytxW7nbin9qslq8oQmNIF), Milwaukee Bucks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mil/;_ylt=AnjHsfO3qWxqQQm1IXPDaIAQmNIF) – Yi really struggled in his second game, and, as a result, Team China labored to score in its blowout loss to Sacramento. He had difficulty being guarded by a more athletic forward, winding up only 2-for-14 from the floor with nine points. He also committed five turnovers.

3. Jordan Farmar (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4154/;_ylt=AunXbRMBbj5DgsAJjy0TAAEQmNIF), Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/;_ylt=AuqTsBCU7gmXBQaMTd11nsQQmNIF) – Farmar had a tough time in almost every aspect Sunday. His decision making was terrible, resulting in six turnovers, and he shot poorly (1-for-8 from the floor). Farmar's ability to fill the Lakers' gaping hole at point guard has never been more in doubt.
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JayRedd
07-09-2007, 12:52 PM
And here's Sheridan's report from today.

The best news of the day is obviously that Ron Artest has a younger brother playing in Vegas. I really, really, really, really hope this guy makes the League someday.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2930125


News and notes: Futures of Yi, Varejao, Kobe remain in doubt

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<!-- end page tools --><!-- begin story body --><!-- template inline -->LAS VEGAS -- It took three days for Yi Jianlian (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4284) to do something that impressed me, and he finally came through Sunday by scoring 17 fourth-quarter points and hitting a 10-foot bank shot at the buzzer that gave the Chinese National Team an 85-84 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle).
Granted, Yi was matched up primarily against undrafted rookie free agent Ryvon Covile during the fourth quarter, but he played his best ball of the summer league over the final 10 minutes after entering the final quarter 0-for-7 from the field with five fouls and three turnovers.

On Saturday, Yi shot just 2-for-14 in a 26-point loss to Sacramento, and on Friday he had seven fouls and five turnovers in the first half of a loss to Memphis before playing better in the second half and finishing with 23 points.

After three games, Yi is averaging 17.3 points per game on 30 percent shooting with far more fouls (20) than field goals (12).
Meanwhile, there have been only the faintest signs of a thaw between Yi's camp and the Milwaukee Bucks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil), whose general manager, Larry Harris, is vowing to do anything and everything he can to convince Yi to come to Milwaukee.

If the stalemate continues, the only way Yi could make himself eligible for the 2008 draft would be to sit out an entire season. If he were to return to his pro team in China for the 2007-08 season, the Bucks would retain his NBA rights.

At this point, if I had to say whether I thought Yi will ever play a game for the Bucks, I'd have to say no. Yi's camp seems extremely determined to force the Bucks to trade his rights, and at a certain point I believe Harris and the Bucks owner, Sen. Herb Kohl, will simply throw their hands up and decide they don't want the headache anymore.

Here's a bunch more of what I'm seeing and hearing out here:

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• The single most impressive single-game performance by any player, rookie or veteran, was Golden State's Marco Belinelli pouring in 37 points on 14-for-20 shooting Saturday against New Orleans. Belinelli has a superb quick release on his jumper and an uncanny ability to create space using screens. There's already talk among the Warriors' contingent that he could beat out Monta Ellis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3966) for the starting 2-guard spot that opened up with the trade of Jason Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3515) to Charlotte.

• Golden State's other first-round draft pick, Brandan Wright (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4286), has not yet practiced or played due to a strained hip flexor. It's questionable whether he'll see any summer league action.

• Cleveland's Anderson Varejao (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3847) flew into Las Vegas and was meeting late Sunday with the Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mem), who appear to have made him their new No. 1 free-agent target after they failed to acquire Chicago's Andres Nocioni (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3882).

Cleveland has not yet made Varejao a long-term contract offer, although general manager Danny Ferry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=110) told me that Cleveland would match any offer Varejao receives. Reading the tea leaves, I see this one getting somewhat contentious.

• There were also rumblings Sunday that the Grizzlies were mulling going after Darko Milicic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3705), who went from being a restricted free agent to an unrestricted free agent when the Orlando Magic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=orl) withdrew their qualifying offer to him to clear salary-cap space to sign Rashard Lewis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3275).

• Lakers rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4297) had a very strong debut Sunday, scoring 18 points on 8-for-13 shooting and hitting the game-winning 3-pointer to defeat the Bucks. Crittenton came off the bench behind Jordan Farmar (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4154), who shot just 1-for-8 with seven fouls, six turnovers and just one assist.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak told me the team was still looking to sign a free-agent point guard after the signing moratorium ends July 11, but I'm hearing the Lakers -- and the Heat, too -- are unwilling to commit their full midlevel extension to unrestricted free agent Steve Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3741).

• Kupchak, by the way, ignored a vocal group of hecklers (Lakers fans), one of whom had a handmade sign reading "Mitch ... What Now?"
I also asked Kupchak where things stood between the Lakers and Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118), and whether Bryant had withdrawn his trade request, but the only answer I got was, "Those types of discussions regarding Kobe and management, we won't disclose that type of strategic information."

• The word circulating around the arena Sunday regarding Greek guard Theo Papaloukas was that he had agreed to a three-year extension with CSKA Moscow for 10 million Euros, equal to about $4.5 million per season. I'm told Toronto, Miami and one other NBA team were seriously in the running for the 6-foot-7 combo guard, but Papaloukas opted to take a deal that ultimately will net him more money because his salary with CSKA is not taxed -- not to mention that he also gets an apartment, a car, a driver and countless other perks.

• Unrestricted free-agent point guard Mo Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3750) is going to meet with Milwaukee's Kohl on Monday, presumably to hear what the Bucks are willing to pay him. Williams was wined and dined by Pat Riley in Miami on Saturday night, but the Heat have only the midlevel exception to offer, and Williams is seeking a salary equal to what other starting NBA point guards are earning.

• I was surprised to run into Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339) at the end of Sacramento's inaugural game late Saturday night, and when I asked him what he was doing there, he said he came to see his little brother play.

"Excuse me?" I said. "Yeah, he's on the Kings," said Artest.

Sure enough, there was his brother Danny walking over in a full Kings summer league uniform -- although the younger Artest did not play in Sacramento's 73-47 victory over China. Local scribe Steve Carp of the Las Vegas Review-Journal later told me that the younger Artest played a year of community college ball here in Vegas and was coached by Jerry Tarkanian's son.

• Sebastian Telfair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3830) has been practicing with the Celtics' summer league team, trying to get himself back in the team's good graces.
• Greg Oden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4243) is 1-for-8 at the foul line and has committed 19 fouls in two games. The referees, almost all of whom regularly work in the D-League, have been particularly tough on him.


• The contest for the most tattooed player appears to be a dead heat between Kevin Pittsnogle, who is playing for Cleveland, and Robert Swift (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3829), who is still rehabbing his surgically reconstructed knee but is in town with the Sonics. Swift has also grown his hair long and is wearing it in a ponytail, and he appears to be quite a bit thicker.

• Quite a few NBA veterans have shown up on various rosters. Among them: Daniel Santiago (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3491) (Clippers), Rodney White (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3519) (Lakers), Zendon Hamilton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3505) (Trail Blazers), Donnell Harvey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3421) (Spurs) Wang Zhizhi (China), Boniface N'Dong (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2841) and Darius Rice (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3901) (Cavaliers), Brandon Bass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3959) (Mavericks), Cezary Trybanski (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3658) (Kings), Lamond Murray (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=2630), Jelani McCoy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3276) and Nikoloz Tskitishvili (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3603) (Nuggets), Laron Profit (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3361) (Pistons), Randy Livingston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3097) and Awvee Storey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3903) (Bucks), and Milt Palacio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3392) (Hornets).

Also, Pape Sow (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3864) and Michael Bradley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3529) are on the roster for the Suns, who have not yet played, and Luke Schenscher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4000), Mateen Cleaves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3413) and Ryan Bowen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3298) are on the roster for the as-yet-unseen Timberwolves.

• There still has not been a decision from Kevin Durant's camp about what company he'll sign with for his shoe deal. When adidas executive Travis Gonzolez saw Durant's agent, Aaron Goodwin, walking around clad completely in Nike gear on Friday, he thought the swoosh folks had won. But Goodwin told him that wasn't the case, so the adidas rep sent Goodwin an outfit of adidas clothing. And on Saturday, Goodwin was spotted walking through the arena wearing adidas gear head-to-toe.

• One last item, before Henry Abbott (who arrives Monday) beats me to it: The games during the first three days have been played at the Cox Pavilion, next to the Thomas and Mack Center, and there are no locker-room facilities for the teams. So whenever one of the players needs to answer nature's call, he must use the same men's room (there is only one in the building) that the fans are using.

Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 01:03 PM
Boy, watching the replay of DAL/POR (NBA.com) and Oden looks slow, he's just not reacting very quickly to the game at this point. He might have a real adjustment period ahead of him.


Yi showed why he was a legit top 10 pick in the CLE game. He's got polished looking post moves and puts the single-dribble big man moves down like a vet. He clears space on his post moves with quick, effective leans and seems capable of shooting whichever shot the defense leaves him with (ie, fades, hooks, leaners) And that's not even getting to his face up game and dribble drives.

Like Oden I think some of the game is just coming at him fast right now but I think both will adjust with playing time. Let's see where they are at after playing a few months this season (if Yi is signed of course).

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 01:14 PM
Boo Davis is listed on both the Chicago and Indiana summer league rosters. Oddly the listings are slightly different (one uses his full name, one has UW-MIL as his college, the other MIL-WIS).

Finally the age old question will be answered, is Boo so fast that even Boo himself can't stop him? ;)

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 01:19 PM
Boy, watching the replay of DAL/POR (NBA.com) and Oden looks slow, he's just not reacting very quickly to the game at this point. He might have a real adjustment period ahead of him.


I'd heard this before I started watching. At the beginning of the game I thought he looked fine, but he slowed down quite dramatically. I think fatigue has got to have something to do with it.

LG33
07-09-2007, 01:21 PM
George Galante and Dante Marchitelli return to call the action again this year.......:woohoo:

Are you serious? Because I liked them too, but everyone else around here seems to disagree...

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 01:28 PM
Yes he's serious.

Hicks
07-09-2007, 02:34 PM
It asked me to log in as a Magic Member or what. We don't have to do that to watch the games, do we?

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 02:45 PM
I got on no problem. Bulls layup line on video and my summer league announcing boys saying "Check..Check..Check..Check..Check..Check..Check.."

All is good......

317Kim
07-09-2007, 02:48 PM
I'm watching the pregame shootaround and it looks pretty good. It hasn't skipped, froze, or anything.

Very interesting mic check :laugh:

avoidingtheclowns
07-09-2007, 02:54 PM
something tells me the discussion of 'nip slips' might earn this guy a "talking to."

rel
07-09-2007, 02:54 PM
stopped working for me...:(

hopefully it'll be up and working by the start of the game

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 02:55 PM
The guys are already on a roll. They were talking about a girl that had on a tight shirt, went home and put on a tighter shirt and now has on a tank top and questioning whether anything slipped out......

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 02:55 PM
something tells me the discussion of 'nip slips' might earn this guy a "talking to."

There are probably about 10 people in the world that actually heard it.

Plus later he mentioned that his wife told him to tone it down.....

317Kim
07-09-2007, 02:56 PM
These announcers are weird. :crazy:

Wow, I'm glad that's done with. I like how they don't know how to work the microphones.

"Check, check, check, check." - Guy 1
"I hear you fine ... " - Guy 2
"Are we on now?" - Guy 1
"Please don't say we're on live." - Guy 2

Currently laughing at the "Good Morning Vietnam".

indyman37
07-09-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm actually finding their conversation quite comical.

indyman37
07-09-2007, 02:57 PM
About how long do the summer league games last?

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 02:58 PM
Does this mean we're on right now?
Don't put us on yet.
I don't think anybody's paying attention.

Whoops......

Somebody's going to need to send an e-mail asking about the girl in the tank top.....

Hicks
07-09-2007, 03:05 PM
Shawne hesitated on that open 3 because of Rick's brainwashing. :hypno:

ajbry
07-09-2007, 03:06 PM
I can't find the game anywhere on NBA.com, can anyone help me out?

Hicks
07-09-2007, 03:07 PM
Boo! Cuts to the hoop and throwing it to the post! MORE THREES! ;)

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:08 PM
I can't find the game anywhere on NBA.com, can anyone help me out?

http://www.nba.com/magic/multimedia/07sl_video.html

Click WATCH NOW on the bottom left :)

OOh, nice drive by S. Graham.

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 03:09 PM
I'm even less prepared now than I was 10 minutes ago.

Hicks
07-09-2007, 03:09 PM
Watch now. (http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/11191/300_nba-orlandmagic_060502.asx)

ajbry
07-09-2007, 03:09 PM
http://www.nba.com/magic/multimedia/07sl_video.html

Click WATCH NOW on the bottom left :)

Thanks PG, appreciate it. :dance:

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:10 PM
Thanks PG, appreciate it. :dance:
No problem.

I wish I could take these guys place for play by plays. :shakehead

They're making fun of Andre Owens and JamesOn Curry.

pwee31
07-09-2007, 03:18 PM
They're dogging Andre Owens! haha

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 03:18 PM
Kareem rush is a great shooter.....

tadscout
07-09-2007, 03:19 PM
The video feed isn't working for me :cry: :sadbanana

indyman37
07-09-2007, 03:22 PM
The video feed isn't working for me :cry: :sadbanana
Mine keeps cutting in and out and it is ****ing me off.

The announcers need to shut up about "is it JamesOn or Jamison?"

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Are they swearing?

Were the announcers this bad last year? I don't remember being so annoyed. At least the broadcast is good.

At the end of the 1st Quarter, we're tied at 24.

pwee31
07-09-2007, 03:26 PM
Rashaad Anderson is on the Summer League Roster? He shot pretty well for UCONN

ajbry
07-09-2007, 03:30 PM
These refs are as bad as the announcers. Damn, it's the summer league, let them play.

indyman37
07-09-2007, 03:30 PM
I wonder if we'll get a 100 points. I think it'd be a good start.

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:34 PM
These refs are as bad as the announcers. Damn, it's the summer league, let them play.

No kidding. They're calling all these little touch touchy fouls.

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 03:37 PM
I guess I should've gone to Orlando for the games. Apparently I have the necessary credentials and I didn't even know it....

I smell like aftershave and taco meat!

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 03:38 PM
Aftershave and taco meat. Nice.

[edit] And while I was typing that, I missed Kareem's 3.

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 03:42 PM
My god, I've listened to these asshats for 5 minutes and I'm ready to shoot myself.

Speed
07-09-2007, 03:42 PM
are we white or blue, I have to watch it on a lil baby screen at work?

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:43 PM
I was going to type the same thing (aftershave and taco meat), but saw that you and MR had posted it earlier and that made me miss Kareem's 3 too. :kickcan:


are we white or blue, I have to watch it on a lil baby screen at work?

We're white. :)

Speed
07-09-2007, 03:44 PM
I was going to type the same thing (aftershave and taco meat), but saw that you and MR had posted it earlier and that made me miss Kareem's 3 too. :kickcan:



We're white. :)


ty very much!

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 03:44 PM
So much for those FTs Shawne was shooting as he misses the and-1.

Rush looks perhaps Fred Jones caliber and that could help the Pacers off the bench.

Shawne's been a mix so far to me but I do like his defensive instincts. He reads the ball movement and floor position pretty well. Doesn't seem as strong getting rebounding position.

Shawne passes up the wide open 3. Clearly he's not with the JOB program yet. ;)

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 03:45 PM
We're white. :)

He now, there's no reason to bring that up.

Robobtowncolt
07-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Score? a/s/l?

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 03:47 PM
I can't believe they're playing on a non-regulation court....

Kegboy
07-09-2007, 03:47 PM
My god, I can't take it anymore.

:wave:

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Shawne swoops in. I like the dribble portion, not so keen on that 1 armed reach finish attempt.

Score 39-36

indyman37
07-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Is there anywhere that you can find a box score?

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 03:48 PM
My god, I can't take it anymore.

:wave:
It's the volume button. Stream some talk radio over top of it.

317Kim
07-09-2007, 03:49 PM
He now, there's no reason to bring that up.

Hah. Actually, I'm yellow, but it's all good.

Shawne knocks down 2 FTs. If you just listen to the game, it seems like the Bulls are up 10, but it's just 39-36 Bulls with 2:31 left in the first half.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 03:49 PM
Is there anywhere that you can find a box score?
Last year they put the official box score in PDF format a few hours after the game, at the Magic/Summer League site...perhaps Pacers.com too.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 03:52 PM
I like that defensive FT miss rebound and outlet by Shawne. Led to a layup/foul for 2 FT.

Coop
07-09-2007, 04:01 PM
These are the same guys that did the broadcasting last year. I remember them trashing James White and talking about how Adam Morrison was the NBA's savior. I couldn't stand them then and I can't stand them now. :suicide4:

Unclebuck
07-09-2007, 04:04 PM
This guy isn't quite as good as Mark Boyle - not by a long shot

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 04:05 PM
Well they just screwed up the Rio story, getting Boo Davis confused with Snap Hunter. Bah!

317Kim
07-09-2007, 04:07 PM
Kareem Rush with another 3. His third.

:boombaby:

The Mute button. It does wonders.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 04:10 PM
What I've liked today - Rush, Shawne

Everything else has been horrible, not even Snap caliber stuff.

Rush naturally is set up on the arc much of the time (designed), Shawne has been playing the JO role often out at the FT line or elbow. Don't recall him in that role on offense last year. Doesn't seem like a comfortable fit at this point.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 04:11 PM
Bird and Harter sighting!

naptownmenace
07-09-2007, 04:12 PM
Nice 'D' by Rush as he forces the 24 shot clock violation.

Hicks
07-09-2007, 04:15 PM
This video is stuttering like crazy and freezing on me now.

Hicks
07-09-2007, 04:22 PM
Too many people must be connected to this feed; it went from silk to unwatchable.

avoidingtheclowns
07-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Too many people must be connected to this feed; it went from unlistenable to unwatchable.

fixed :)

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 04:23 PM
This video is stuttering like crazy and freezing on me now.
Me too. Maybe people popping on to catch the next game and sucking up b/width.

Good ball movement to get that last Rush 3 about a minute ago, though it also looked tenative, as in "I don't want to shoot". Seemed a little forced to get the ball back to Rush, clearly they game planned to see Rush in action.

Robertmto
07-09-2007, 04:42 PM
do any of ya'll have the link for the las vegas league???

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 04:43 PM
My feed went to crap and locked a couple of times.

At one point I lost the connection right as Dan Grunfeld slammed his head on the court. Anyone see the whole thing and know if he was okay? Dan was about the only other guy out there making an impression today (ie, not just slop).

Oneal07
07-09-2007, 04:44 PM
If we keep Jermaine, we should look at picking up Jamaal Magloire.


R U SERIIOOOUSS??

diamonddave00
07-09-2007, 04:58 PM
Last I knew Kareem Rush had 19 points had hit 5-3's and only taken 9 shots.

mike_D
07-09-2007, 05:05 PM
Last I knew Kareem Rush had 19 points had hit 5-3's and only taken 9 shots.

This really shouldn't shock anybody, the guy is a NBA talent. Now whether he becomes a middle of a rotation guy who capable of starting here and there or basically becomes a 12th man for us thats another question.

Naptown_Seth
07-09-2007, 05:15 PM
Well my connection died for good about the time Rush got to 19 points. Oh well, mostly I saw what I needed to.

Rush can play well enough to make the team, he looks more capable than Rawle at the very least. As I said before, he strikes me as Fred Jones level talent which could help a team lacking an SG talent really (in terms of shooters, unlike Quis).

Shawne looked good on some things, a bit rusty elsewhere. I don't expect a fast start from him this year, he'll probably develop a little over the course of the season. Year 3 is where I expect a HS/FRSH player to start finding it, at least a guy picked outside the lottery (even sub-10 you can expect development time).

avoidingtheclowns
07-09-2007, 05:28 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/magic/070907_chiind.pdf

here's the boxscore. pacers won 93-89.

we outshot chicago 23-9 from the arc.

andre owens somehow ended up with eight assists.

shawne's stat line is less than impressive.

kyle davis had all four blocks for the pacers.

Trader Joe
07-09-2007, 05:31 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/magic/070907_chiind.pdf

here's the boxscore. pacers won 93-89.

we outshot chicago 23-9 from the arc.

andre owens somehow ended up with eight assists.

shawne's stat line is less than impressive.

kyle davis had all four blocks for the pacers.

I don't like Shawne being listed as a guard, not one bit.

avoidingtheclowns
07-09-2007, 05:43 PM
Anthony Miles and Shawne are both 6'9" forwards, they're just listed on the boxscore like that. Andre Owens is a 6'4" guard, Rush is a 6'6" guard. Graham is a 6'6" forward - not a center. don't flip out... just essentially a scorekeeping mistake

cramerica
07-09-2007, 05:47 PM
Why didn't Jo-Kim play?

Y2J
07-09-2007, 06:00 PM
Stephen Graham had a nice game. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up better than his twin, although I guess that's not saying much really since Joey has been a dud thus far.

sweabs
07-09-2007, 06:15 PM
Stephen Graham had a nice game. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up better than his twin, although I guess that's not saying much really since Joey has been a dud thus far.
No kidding.

I've always thought that the two of them have very similar games and are almost on par with each other from a talent standpoint. Sure, Joey is better in some areas...but really - by how much?

I'll be forever grateful to the Raptors for taking Graham over Granger. Suddenly the Vince Carter trade doesn't look AS bad if they take Danny with that pick.

I watched Stephen play a few games in Portland and Cleveland and think he's no more than an end of the bench player...but a capable one at least. I think if he were given some of the chances/time that his brother has been awarded, he'd be near a similar level (which isn't saying that much based on what I think of Joey as a player).

LG33
07-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Rcarey lives!

Kstat
07-09-2007, 06:20 PM
Feels a little unfair having Jason Maxiell out there. he's destroying Rudy Gay and anyone else in his way....

Not paying much attention to the stats, but I'm very pleased with our two first round picks. Their style of play fits in very well with what we have.

NapTonius Monk
07-09-2007, 07:01 PM
R U SERIIOOOUSS??

Absolutely. I think anything that allows Jermaine to play primarily the 4 on both ends of the court will allow him to return to form, and in less wear and tear on his body. Okay, so maybe not Magloire, but a true big man with some talent would be nice.

NapTonius Monk
07-09-2007, 07:23 PM
Why didn't Jo-Kim play?

I think he's hurt, if I'm not mistaken.

Kstat
07-09-2007, 07:40 PM
Well, I'm comfortable with the rest of our summer league. I've seen all I need to see.

Stuckey and Afflalo are quality players, and Samb will finally be brough over this year to be our annual minor league player.

MagicRat
07-09-2007, 10:06 PM
Why didn't Jo-Kim play?

I believe my favorite announcers mentioned something about a rotator cuff injury.......

GrangerRanger
07-09-2007, 10:53 PM
From Pacers.com

The Indiana Pacers opened the 2007 Pepsi Pro Summer League with a 93-89 victory over the Chicago Bulls Monday afternoon at the RDV Sportsplex.
The Pacers trailed much of the first half and third quarter before taking a 65-59 lead into the fourth quarter on back-to-back baskets by Kasib Powell. After building a 78-73 lead on back-to-back 3-pointers by Shawne Williams, the Bulls went on a 7-0 run. But Powell, a 6-7 forward who played in Russia last season scored the next six Pacers’ points and Indiana never trailed after.

“I think the first half we had jitters,” said Powell. “In the second half, we settled down defensively which helped our offense. I got a lot of good looks because my teammates were hitting me when I was open.”

“We saw he was a good shooter in the rookie/free agent camp,” said assistant coach Lester Conner, who is coaching the team here. “At the end, when we needed baskets, we spread the floor and got it to the open man. I’ve been around summer leagues for a lot of years and that’s as good as I’ve seen a summer league team execute down the stretch. I thought our bench played well and overall we had good contributions from all the guys, good hustle plays.”

Kareem Rush led the Pacers with 20 points, hitting 7 of 11 shots from the floor, including 5 of 6 from 3-point range. Stephen Graham added 19 with six rebounds, Powell has 13 off the bench (11 in the second half), Williams 10 points and Andre Owens had eight points along with eight assists.

The Pacers resume play today when they meet Orlando (5:00 p.m.).

I actually look for this Stephen guy to make the team. But, 5 of 6 three pointers is bad a$$. I think he'll defiantely make the team that so desperately needs all the shooting they can find.

LG33
07-10-2007, 12:46 AM
Kareem Rush performed tonight. When Bird said we'd get a shooter, my first thought was Kareem, and here he is. Now it's time for Stage 2: Move Tinsley to PF to make room for Travis Diener. Bring Stanko over and the stage is set for one of the most improbable stories in sports, almost like the 1980 Olympic Hockey team but this time the Eastern European monster (in our case, "the All-Star from Mostar") is on our side!

aero
07-10-2007, 06:30 AM
if anyone knows where i can get a video of the game in mpg format, avi or what have you shoot me a PM. Id really like to check it out...had to work so i missed it :(

Hoop
07-10-2007, 01:12 PM
Can anyone connect to the games today? I watched a lot last year, I can't even connect at all now. Firefox or IE.

avoidingtheclowns
07-10-2007, 01:14 PM
Can anyone connect to the games today? I watched a lot last year, I can't even connect at all now. Firefox or IE.

if you're talking the orlando summer league... first game starts @ 3 EST so maybe hold your horses until then, fellar

Hoop
07-10-2007, 01:19 PM
if you're talking the orlando summer league... first game starts @ 3 EST so maybe hold your horses until then, fellar:laugh: That would explain it then. I thought they started at Noon.

CableKC
07-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Is there a Summer league game today online for us to watch?

I took a quick look at the Box score ( I know...it's a Summer League Box Score against what amounts to NBDL level scrubs )....but it looks like we took 23 3pt Attempts. On average...( at least compared to last season ), that's about 6 additional 3pt Attempts a game.

In a regular season games against real NBA players.....we aren't going to be lucky enough to be shooting 39% from the 3pt line. Was there alot of good 3pt shots that were taken ( as in shots with a good look to the basket )?

Did we have good ball movement?

I know that things will look different with players like Dunleavy, Marquis, Tinsley and JONeal on the floor.....but what we see now maybe an inkling of what we are in store for.

Is that a good or bad thing?

PaceBalls
07-10-2007, 02:12 PM
Kareem Rush performed tonight. When Bird said we'd get a shooter, my first thought was Kareem, and here he is. Now it's time for Stage 2: Move Tinsley to PF to make room for Travis Diener. Bring Stanko over and the stage is set for one of the most improbable stories in sports, almost like the 1980 Olympic Hockey team but this time the Eastern European monster (in our case, "the All-Star from Mostar") is on our side!

You know... I also think that Tinsley might play power forward better than the point guard position. He really does have a great post game! Not to mention his low-post defense is far superior than his perimiter defense.

I think you may be on to something here.

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Cable, IMO Rush was setting up in a normal fashion. He often was put into the corner waiting for a kick-out. These would come from a high PnR or sometimes his own drive, ball rotation and then him moving back out for the catch and shoot.

I don't think he ever really shot a 3 off the dribble, though he often did dribble drive. Team shooting off the dribble happened overall a few times, but mostly these were catch and shoot situations. He shot mostly from the corner, others were out top or 3/4 angle (off the top but not the wing).

The main issue was some REALLY sloppy dribble drives, lots of turnovers off that or nearly losing the ball, etc. Shawne couldn't get much going out of the high post either, and while I watched he almost never was put out on the arc like you saw last year (with him and Granger).

That surprised me, but then I think some of that had to do with them needing a true PF and having a relatively small summer roster. The Bulls clearly had size on them most of the game.

The volume of 3s didn't seem excessive in the situations, they tried to work inside more than I expected, they just didn't do it very well. Rush was perhaps being forced to get the 3/jumper more than you MIGHT see (but with JOB who knows) but the rest of the team looked to be in what I would describe as a generic offensive scheme made up of basic PnR, post-ups and simple screens, with the occassional iso thrown in. There was a TON of passing by the Pacers. It wasn't always pretty, but the ball did touch a lot of hands.

It played like a "let's just see what we've got" game, with the exception of Rush for whom they had a very specific goal.

CableKC
07-10-2007, 02:43 PM
Cable, IMO Rush was setting up in a normal fashion. He often was put into the corner waiting for a kick-out. These would come from a high PnR or sometimes his own drive, ball rotation and then him moving back out for the catch and shoot.

I don't think he ever really shot a 3 off the dribble, though he often did dribble drive. Team shooting off the dribble happened overall a few times, but mostly these were catch and shoot situations. He shot mostly from the corner, others were out top or 3/4 angle (off the top but not the wing).

The main issue was some REALLY sloppy dribble drives, lots of turnovers off that or nearly losing the ball, etc. Shawne couldn't get much going out of the high post either, and while I watched he almost never was put out on the arc like you saw last year (with him and Granger).

That surprised me, but then I think some of that had to do with them needing a true PF and having a relatively small summer roster. The Bulls clearly had size on them most of the game.

The volume of 3s didn't seem excessive in the situations, they tried to work inside more than I expected, they just didn't do it very well. Rush was perhaps being forced to get the 3/jumper more than you MIGHT see (but with JOB who knows) but the rest of the team looked to be in what I would describe as a generic offensive scheme made up of basic PnR, post-ups and simple screens, with the occassional iso thrown in. There was a TON of passing by the Pacers. It wasn't always pretty, but the ball did touch a lot of hands.

It played like a "let's just see what we've got" game, with the exception of Rush for whom they had a very specific goal.
Tx....that's good to here. Who was our PF in this game?

I really wonder whether this Ball-movement stuff will carry over when we use a real low-post scorer like JONeal or Ike in the lineup that will dominate the ball alot more. It sounds like we would need a Low-post scorer that can kick the ball out to the perimeter on a regular basis.

Was there alot of "off the ball" movement among the perimeter players?

One of the things that I hated seeing last year ( I don't know if its simply a result of playing "dump the ball to JONeal and watch him do whatever he does" ) was that once the ball got into the hands of the Low-post PF scoring threat ( JONeal or Ike ), the rest of the team would simply stand there and watch. There was no attempt to rotate and get good position near JONeal or Ike so that they can get that easy outlet to the perimeter player. This is crucial...especially for a shorter Low-Post threat like Ike that will likely be double-teamed on a regular basis.

Speed
07-10-2007, 03:56 PM
I bet K Powell gets some major run today, I can't wait to see what he does.

CableKC
07-10-2007, 04:07 PM
Is there a game that is online today?

Anyone have a link?

spazzxb
07-10-2007, 04:10 PM
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/07summerleague.html

put it on your favorites, same one tommorrow

CableKC
07-10-2007, 04:15 PM
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/07summerleague.html

put it on your favorites, same one tommorrow
tx. No wonder I couldn't find any games....the game doesn't start for another 45 minutes.

Hoop
07-10-2007, 04:27 PM
I'm watching New Jersey vs Miami right now.

http://www.nba.com/magic/multimedia/07sl_video.html

Click "Watch Now" at the bottom. Allow the PopUp.

317Kim
07-10-2007, 04:30 PM
I'm excited for today's game. Yesterday's win was very nice if I do say so myself :)

About 30 mins until Tipoff. :boomer:

Kegboy
07-10-2007, 04:32 PM
I can't wait to hear what our illustrious co-hosts smell like tonight!

CableKC
07-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Home - 5 points
Away - 12 points

I have no clue as to which team is Home and which is away.

CableKC
07-10-2007, 05:14 PM
Reddick is lighting us up. The Pacers can't hit any shots.

3:30 left in 1st.......Magic are up by 9 points.

20-11 for Magic.

avoidingtheclowns
07-10-2007, 05:14 PM
we reached double digits!!!!!

CableKC
07-10-2007, 05:18 PM
We're losing simply can't hit any shots.

CableKC
07-10-2007, 05:22 PM
End of 1st QTR.

Pacers - 16
Magic - 28

LG33
07-10-2007, 05:23 PM
No Kareem Rush, eh?

JayRedd
07-10-2007, 05:25 PM
No Kareem Rush, eh?

I think he had to miss the game for his inauguration ceremony in Springfield today.

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:28 PM
Charles Gaines was with the Pacers summer team last year IIRC.

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Boy Shawne is having the same ball handling issues he had yesterday. Shawne has yet to show a solid post game in summer ball.

JBones19
07-10-2007, 05:38 PM
nice shout out! PD reprezent

Hicks
07-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Who from Pacers Digest? Did you hear that?

Taco-smelling people know about a site I made!

Shaggy
07-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Nice PD shout out by the two uber-nerds.

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:38 PM
w00t ROB get the Pacers Digest mention on-air

who's rob?

Pingu
07-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Who sent an e-mail to these two dumbasses?

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 05:39 PM
That was my shout out to ya'll

317Kim
07-10-2007, 05:39 PM
PD just got a shout out :)

Thanks tinsley#11

Hoop
07-10-2007, 05:39 PM
COOL, A Shout Out To Pacers Digest!

avoidingtheclowns
07-10-2007, 05:39 PM
43-25


awesome



!

LG33
07-10-2007, 05:39 PM
Yay! Finally! I was looking for a reason to keep watching...

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:40 PM
BTW, gamewise Kyle Davis has been about the only interesting thing I've seen so far.

I am interested in Grunfeld today after what he showed yesterday before cracking his skull on the floor.


Shawne back in btw.

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:44 PM
They just keep putting Shawne in the high post or even farther out for PnRs. He still isn't looking very smooth on those.

Is this how they really plan on using Shawne, as a true PF type? How long before they see him as a spot-up SF instead?

pwee31
07-10-2007, 05:45 PM
Grunfeld from Stanford? hmm that's interesting

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 05:47 PM
down 13 at half.....shawne needs to step up his game

pwee31
07-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Aww I missed the shout out, b/c I had it on mute! way to be though!

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 05:49 PM
is it just me or are these announcers trying to quote the movie Anchorman waaaaayyyyyy too much

The Hustler
07-10-2007, 05:50 PM
well to stay positive ... the last 2 minutes of play we were the better team, good solid rotating team defence and a few decent offences. At least we are getting a look at some of the play we will use kicking out of dribble penetration for 3s etc. ... to be fair we are getting some pretty decent looks!

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 05:50 PM
Grunfeld from Stanford? hmm that's interesting
Yep, Ernie's kid. He didn't play much yesterday but I thought he actually looked competent. Just when he looked to getting it going he got caught in the air, went horz, and then landed on his back, cracking his head hard.

I liked that touch on his shot, that's for sure. Beats the heck out of Farmer or Owens or whomever it is that has to push the ball at the rim from 3 ala Armstrong.

Hoop
07-10-2007, 05:51 PM
is it just me or are these announcers trying to quote the movie Anchorman waaaaayyyyyy too muchYep, they stink. Like a turd covered with burnt hair.

LG33
07-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Well, if you like Grunfeld, you'd love Diener. More information to follow.

Speed
07-10-2007, 05:56 PM
is there a way to get full screen of the game?

Pingu
07-10-2007, 05:58 PM
Just double click on the video
or
right-click, zoom, full-screen

pwee31
07-10-2007, 05:59 PM
Yep, Ernie's kid. He didn't play much yesterday but I thought he actually looked competent. Just when he looked to getting it going he got caught in the air, went horz, and then landed on his back, cracking his head hard.

I liked that touch on his shot, that's for sure. Beats the heck out of Farmer or Owens or whomever it is that has to push the ball at the rim from 3 ala Armstrong.

Ah I only caught a small portion of the game yesterday. I had the game on mute, so I was curious which team was which b/c I didn't see the pigment challenged Grunfeld yesterday! haha j/k

He was a pretty good shooter for Stanford, injury sounds like it was bad. Glad to see him on the court!

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 05:59 PM
double click it to get full

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 06:02 PM
is there a way to get full screen of the game?
Not with any more resolution. But a double-click on the screen should do the trick on most players I think.

Checked on Dan's German team last year - 55% FG, not really a 3pt guy, few takes or makes, drew tons of fouls though and put them in at 80%.
http://www.ewe-baskets.de/ewe_baskets_287.php


Here comes Shawne again...

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 06:08 PM
You know I'm starting to think this is what the Pacers are going to play like, look at the 3PAs again today. They've got to be on pace for another 20+ takes I think, maybe more like 30. Keep in mind these are only 40 minute games too.

Finally Shawne gets to spot up for a 3.

Can we trade for Kruger. :)

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 06:11 PM
seems like FT's have been a problem for us

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 06:13 PM
More on the 3PA thing, I have the 2005 totals at hand (Ron, Snap, Harrison, Bender for 1 game). As a team they shot 8 3PAs per game that summer, so it's not just a summer thing I don't think.


Now we see Shawne as a SF type. Couple of drives (one blocked, one made). Then a catch and shoot 3 miss from up top.

Then ran a low screen and then weave on the wing to get Shawne a 3 look, fake to dribble drive.

Well then they put him right back in the low post so I don't know.

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Stanko sent an e-mail!!! hahaha

Pingu
07-10-2007, 06:20 PM
LOL @ Stanko from Bosnia

LG33
07-10-2007, 06:20 PM
HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION! LOL!

Naptown_Seth
07-10-2007, 06:21 PM
I knew it was you when I heard STANKO! :D


Naturally they are clueless that he was drafted by the Pacers.

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 06:21 PM
LG33, nice touch with the stanko bit

LG33
07-10-2007, 06:22 PM
LG33, nice touch with the stanko bit

That makes it two of us from Pacers Digest.

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 06:25 PM
that make 3 pingu?

Pingu
07-10-2007, 06:27 PM
Yep. Desperately trying to make this game interesting.

dgranger
07-10-2007, 06:30 PM
OK...Has the game started. My Computer is slow, so I won't bother watching it.

LG33
07-10-2007, 06:43 PM
Not a Boston College fan, eh?

tinsley#11
07-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Got another email answered

CableKC
07-10-2007, 06:52 PM
You know I'm starting to think this is what the Pacers are going to play like, look at the 3PAs again today. They've got to be on pace for another 20+ takes I think, maybe more like 30. Keep in mind these are only 40 minute games too.

Finally Shawne gets to spot up for a 3.

Can we trade for Kruger. :)
That's the concern I brought up about the 1st game. Although Shawne and Kareem are the only players that will probably be on the roster on the first day of training camp.......I'm concerned that we will hit coldspells like this where we can't hit the side of a barn....especially if we have to rely on our perimeter game to win games.

dgranger
07-10-2007, 07:26 PM
Is Kareem playing good.
Could we call him Kareem "The Dream" Rushhh!!!!!

Trader Joe
07-10-2007, 07:31 PM
Is Kareem playing good.
Could we call him Kareem "The Dream" Rushhh!!!!!

Uhhh, no.

Pacemaker
07-10-2007, 08:06 PM
Does anyone has a link for the Las Vegas Summer League? I can't access it from nba.com it says it's unavailable :(

dgranger
07-10-2007, 08:26 PM
Uhhh, no.
Are you sure?

Trader Joe
07-10-2007, 08:32 PM
Are you sure?

Yes, yes I am.

Robertmto
07-10-2007, 08:35 PM
does anyone have the summer league link???

OnlyPacersLeft
07-10-2007, 08:48 PM
that game has 2 be over now doesn't it?

Robertmto
07-10-2007, 08:50 PM
i'm talkin bout the warriors game

Hicks
07-10-2007, 08:54 PM
It was posted on this thread yesterday. Try page 2 or 3.

Naptown_Seth
07-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Well 22 takes from 3 for 40%. That part was just fine. Inside the arc - terrible. Rebounding and FTs, terrible.

Shawne is clearly not ready and will probably be limited in minutes till he gets things locked in. Reminds me a bit of Danny last summer, should dominate some of these guys but doesn't. Danny got the minutes and at times was solid, but clearly he was still a long way off last season overall.

I guess this makes me expect the same for Shawne, lots more learning and confidence building to come. Off the dribble still non-existent. He does look good on defense though.

In the end Kyle Davis and Dan Grunfeld didn't put up the numbers to impress anyone, so much for that interest I suppose. Obviously you're right Cable, we know that it's very unlikely that anyone not named Rush or Williams is making the roster. Honestly I haven't seen any of these other guys even outplay Rawle IMO.

IMO this was Graham's tryout game, much like Rush had. He played a similar role but with far less success. Really killed his chances at making the roster.

I wonder what the camp mix will look like? How many new faces will be out there that we aren't seeing right now. I mean the Pacers can send out invites to guys that look good for other summer teams but won't make those rosters.

The Hustler
07-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Pacers Vs Nets .. 2 mins till tip off

http://www.nba.com/magic/multimedia/07sl_video.html
Should be an interesting game, get a look at both Marcus Williams who im still undecided on weather hes a good enough true PG and Sean Williams, who few can argue about talent but has Artest like attitude!

Hopefully be a good game, at least better than yesterdays show!

Hoop
07-11-2007, 05:24 PM
36 points in 10 minutes, that's pretty darn good.

denyfizle
07-11-2007, 05:25 PM
wow 36 points in the first quarter... Rush and Shawne making the 3s rain...

pwee31
07-11-2007, 05:34 PM
absolute pacers dot com? HA! whatever

pwee31
07-11-2007, 05:38 PM
Boonesfarm in a box? Ha that **** is gross in a bottle! How bout some MD 20/20!

Frantz
07-11-2007, 06:01 PM
Kareem Rush don't miss anything from 3 points...I love this guy!

The Hustler
07-11-2007, 06:16 PM
Well Andre Owens is kinda lighting it up! ... couple of nice plays! and you can tell he really wants he, full on every second on D ... im actually starting to like this guy! :S

GrangerRanger
07-11-2007, 06:29 PM
He's a dud. :p He won't make our training camp. Anyway, who are these guys commentating? There annoying as hell.

PR07
07-11-2007, 06:32 PM
If anyone heard the Girl scout comment, that was me.

The Hustler
07-11-2007, 06:34 PM
He's a dud. :p He won't make our training camp. Anyway, who are these guys commentating? There annoying as hell.


I dont think he will make the roster, i think only Shawne and Rush will, but i think if he keeps this up then i wouldnt cry at him getting a contact, if for example, we only have 12 players under contract and need a 13th!!! at the moment he his no. 3 on this summer league team, not that that means a thing!


As for the commentators, if you wanna hear about bball, they are useless, but at times they are kinda funny, at least they realise they are terrible!

Good timing for Andre with the midrange jumper and drive to shoot 2 :D

GrangerRanger
07-11-2007, 06:38 PM
I have no problem with signing him and sending him up to Fort Wayne. It's a possibility.

317Kim
07-11-2007, 06:47 PM
Wow, I just got back from playing ball at the Y. So far, this game is the exact opposite of yesterday's. We're up 27. :happydanc

Edit - Wrapped this one up. The final is 90-65 :thepacers2-1 in Summer League.

denyfizle
07-11-2007, 06:52 PM
If anyone heard the Girl scout comment, that was me.

hahaha I threw in the Shaq vs Yao UFC match-up and whether Larry is Sue Bird's dad. lol

dgranger
07-11-2007, 07:11 PM
How many did Kareem and Shawne score? Denyfizle said they were dropping 3's like crazy.

The Hustler
07-11-2007, 07:45 PM
Rush got 16 with 6/10 FG and 3/4 from 3 pt
Shawne had 17 with 5/11 and 2/6 from 3 pt
Owens lead scoring with 23 on 8/11 ... and i think he played very well pn both ends!


EDIT: Also worth mentioning ... Graham had 15 points on 5/11 FG with 6 boards and 2 steals

Box score if your interested!

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/07sl_scores.htm

Now where is KStat ... the 3 pistons are tearing it up against washington ... Maxiell, Afflalo and Stuckey! quality 4th quarter!

Adrian
07-11-2007, 08:17 PM
Is now Bulls against Miami. Is that John Edwards playing fior Miami the same Edwards that was with Pacers and then with hawks?

avoidingtheclowns
07-11-2007, 08:26 PM
^^^ same edwards ... same orien too

The Hustler
07-11-2007, 08:28 PM
Is now Bulls against Miami. Is that John Edwards playing fior Miami the same Edwards that was with Pacers and then with hawks?

Yes it is

averaging a brilliant 7 ppg and 4.5 rpg in just over 20 mpg this summer league!

denyfizle
07-11-2007, 10:12 PM
I'm starting to really like Owens. I wasn't sold on him simply because my brother is from Perry and I've never seen quality high school players from there (no offense) but I like how he's playing both sides and his control. Hopefully he keeps playing better. He was able to latch onto Utah so that says a lot I guess.

LG33
07-11-2007, 10:14 PM
I'm starting to really like Owens. I wasn't sold on him simply because my brother is from Perry and I've never seen quality high school players from there (no offense) but I like how he's playing both sides and his control. Hopefully he keeps playing better. He was able to latch onto Utah so that says a lot I guess.

I wasn't impressed from what I saw, but if Jerry Sloan took him, I'm up for giving him a chance.

Kstat
07-11-2007, 10:34 PM
Andre Owens+Chieck Samb=NBDL title?

denyfizle
07-12-2007, 12:13 AM
Yea, it is probably premature but heck, Owens schooled Marcus Williams today though.

Naptown_Seth
07-12-2007, 02:58 PM
Well apart from Rush and Shawne it seems like they put a halt to the 3pt bombing finally. Doesn't mean much because the 2 guys that will be on the team for sure (it seems) did shoot plenty of them, so it might have been that they just wanted to find out more about what the other players could do besides simply hoisting 3s.

MagicRat
07-12-2007, 07:34 PM
I have no idea who's who.....

Smooth_for_Pres.
07-12-2007, 07:45 PM
Kareem Rush should go into the stands after these commentators...

LG33
07-12-2007, 09:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=orlandosummerleaguesday3

MOST IMPRESSIVE: Kareem Rush (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3618), Pacers -- That the sharpshooting guard has been one of the best players in this summer league isn't a big surprise. The basketball part of it has never been a problem for Rush, whose left-handed shooting stroke is still a thing of beauty.

It's staying in the good graces of an organization off the court that has always been a point of contention with Rush.
Out of the NBA last season after getting waived 47 games into the 2005-06 season by the Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha), Rush is trying to prove he can fit in again. His game certainly fits, what with his averaging 19 points a game and making 80 percent (eight of 10) of his 3-pointers in the summer league.

"There was never a question about my ability to play basketball," said Rush, 26. "It was just the off-the-court stuff. As long as I can prove that that's not the person who I am, the basketball stuff will take care of itself. I know I belong in this league. I keep my stuff straight off the court and I'll do just fine."

He did just fine Wednesday in the rout of New Jersey, scoring 16 points and hitting three 3-pointers. He most certainly will get an invite to training camp in October with the Pacers -- that is, if he stays out of trouble.

Kegboy
07-12-2007, 09:40 PM
Uh, I would sure hope he'll get invited to training camp with a guaranteed contract.

LG33
07-12-2007, 09:42 PM
Uh, I would sure hope he'll get invited to training camp with a guaranteed contract.

Indiana Pacers 07-08: "We'll Never Fail to Surprise You" or "For Us, Nothing is a Sure Thing"

indyman37
07-12-2007, 10:42 PM
Heat beat the Pacers 78-66. I didn't know that Miami had Orien Greene and John Edwards on their summer team though.

JayRedd
07-12-2007, 11:06 PM
Heat beat the Pacers 78-66. I didn't know that Miami had...John Edwards on their summer team though.

Presidential candidate, Crossing Over star/dead talker, or former Hawk/Pacer?

indyman37
07-12-2007, 11:07 PM
Presidential candidate, Crossing Over star/dead talker, or former Hawk/Pacer?
Does it matter, none of them can play basketball.

LG33
07-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Does it matter, none of them can play basketball.

Burn! Although I think the former Senator from North Carolina has a pretty good jumpshot.

JayRedd
07-12-2007, 11:22 PM
Burn! Although I think the former Senator from North Carolina has a pretty good jumpshot.

Maybe he's our mystery shooter?

Will Galen
07-13-2007, 01:17 AM
Stats of note.

Shawnee had 19 points and 10 rebounds, 1 steal and 2 blocked shots. He hit 6 of 13 shots but was only 1 of 5 from the 3 point line. Fact is the whole team was a lousy 1 for 14.

Owens had 4 steals.

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/07sl_scores.html

LG33
07-13-2007, 11:43 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=orlandosummerleaguesday4

MOST IMPRESSIVE: Shawne Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4145), Pacers -- He was admittedly thrown for a loop when Rick Carlisle stepped down as head coach and Jim O'Brien took the reins. Just as Williams, 21, was starting to get the hang of the NBA and the Pacers' style of play, things were flipped upside down with the coaching switch.


"It's kind of shocking to me now and it's like starting all over again," Williams said. "You have to learn all the sets all over. It's like my rookie year all over again."

Williams seems to be getting the hang of it, and broke out Thursday with his finest game of the summer league. He had 19 points, 10 rebounds and two blocked shots in Indiana's loss 78-66 loss to Miami.

Williams' rookie season with Indiana was mostly filled with frustration. He was left inactive for the first 22 games of the season and played only sparingly after scoring 13 points in his NBA debut.

Now, the 6-foot-9, 225-pound physical specimen knows this is his summer to shine.

"It's a big summer for me to develop," he said. "No telling what might happen in the Pacers' organization with the trades and we might have a bunch of new players, so I have to be ready to step up."

Raskolnikov
07-13-2007, 02:54 PM
Game is on within ten minutes or something. Here's the link again: http://www.nba.com/magic/multimedia/07sl_video.html

I think I might watch, although the last time I did it was pretty boring...I actually kinda liked the commentators, they made it more entertaining.

Raskolnikov
07-13-2007, 03:13 PM
No Shawne, no Kareem.

Pacers lead by 5.

Nobody cares about this game.

Raskolnikov
07-13-2007, 03:29 PM
29-22 Pacers at the half

MagicRat
07-13-2007, 03:38 PM
Another shout-out for PD. Gotta love those announcers....

And somebody needs to straighten him out about Boo Davis being out with Stephen Jackson. It wasn't Boo, it was Snap.....

Raskolnikov
07-13-2007, 03:48 PM
Another shout-out for PD. Gotta love those announcers....
When did that happen? I must've missed it....

MagicRat
07-13-2007, 04:01 PM
And somebody needs to straighten him out about Boo Davis being out with Stephen Jackson. It wasn't Boo, it was Snap.....

Thanks, Stanko!

StankoLover216
07-13-2007, 04:05 PM
I THANKS YOU WELCOME! STANKO KNOW HISTORY PACERS! STANKO AGAIN STRIKE! AM NO FOOL!

bambam
07-13-2007, 04:59 PM
cant watch the game
there is no link

The Hustler
07-13-2007, 05:01 PM
cant watch the game
there is no link



The games over, the Pepsi Pro summer league has finished for this year! Sorry to disapoint!

avoidingtheclowns
07-13-2007, 08:22 PM
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="8" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="wiretap_key_header">All-Leaguers From Orlando Released</td> </tr> <tr> <td>July 13, 2007 - 8:12 pm</td> </tr> <tr> <td>http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Redick_JJ_orl.jpgRealGM Staff Report -
The Orlando (http://magic.realgm.com/) Summer League released their all-league teams on Friday afternoon.

1st Team

G – J.J. Redick (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/666/jj_redick/), Orlando (http://magic.realgm.com/)
G – Marcus Williams (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1342/marcus_williams/), New Jersey (http://nets.realgm.com/)
F – Tyrus Thomas (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/659/tyrus_thomas/), Chicago (http://bulls.realgm.com/)
F – Thabo Sefolosha (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/668/thabo_sefolosha/), Chicago (http://bulls.realgm.com/)
C – Marcin Gortat (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1135/marcin_gortat/), Orlando (http://magic.realgm.com/)

2nd Team

G – Chris Quinn (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1249/chris_quinn/), Miami (http://heat.realgm.com/)
G – Hassan Adams (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1241/hassan_adams/), New Jersey (http://nets.realgm.com/)
F – Jared Dudley (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1331/jared_dudley/), Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/)
F – James Augustine (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1228/james_augustine/), Orlando (http://magic.realgm.com/)
C – Jermareo Davidson (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/1345/jermareo_davidson/), Charlotte (http://bobcats.realgm.com/)</td></tr></tbody></table>
RealGM LINK (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/47120/20070713/all_leaguers_from_orlando_released/)
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MagicRat
07-13-2007, 09:30 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/summer_game5_070713.html

“This was good for the guys we know who will be coming back,” said O’Brien Friday as the Pacers concluded the Pepsi Pro Summer League with a 3-2 record after beating Charlotte, 55-47. “It was good for Kareem (Rush) to get a couple games under his belt and it was good because it gave Stephen (Graham), Shawne (Williams) and Andre (Owens) a chance to play together.