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07-07-2007, 04:04 AM
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July 7, 2007

Starting over
Trying to overcome a bad reputation and work his way back into the NBA, Rush might be a good fit for Pacers
<!--PRINTER FRIENDLY ARTICLE--> By Mark Montieth
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July 7, 2007

On the surface, Kareem Rush seems a perfect fit for the Indiana Pacers.

They need a 3-point threat. He is a good 3-point shooter.

They are making a fresh start. Rush needs one too.

They aren't in position to award a major free agent contract. He wasn't in position to receive one.

They have been dogged by controversies in recent seasons. So has he.

"It's a new start for me," Rush said. "Hopefully I can have a long career here."

He will have just a short time to prove himself, having signed a one-year contract that makes him a low-risk acquisition for the Pacers. He should, however, have plenty of opportunities to contribute in coach Jim O'Brien's offense, which places a high premium on 3-point shooters.
Rush shouldn't lack for motivation, given the curious detour his career took two seasons ago. In what must have struck him like an April Fool's prank at first, Charlotte released him on April 1, 2006, with nine games left in the season.

He had averaged 10.1 points in 47 games that season for the Bobcats, 25 as a starter. He had hit 35 percent of his 3-point shots, scored a career-high 35 points against the Pacers in November, and had scored 21 points and grabbed five rebounds in a game at Memphis just six days prior to his release.

Contrary to normal protocol, Bobcats coach Bernie Bickerstaff didn't simply release Rush. Bickerstaff threw in an insult as well.

"The Bobcats are about two things -- hard work and maximum effort," Bickerstaff said in a released statement. "With that in mind, we think that it is best to go in a different direction with Kareem."

Rush found a supporter in Phil Jackson, the Lakers coach for whom he had played his first two-plus NBA seasons. Jackson called Bickerstaff's move "vindictive." Bickerstaff fired back, sarcastically noting that Jackson hadn't been in Charlotte's locker room and adding that Jackson had "no credibility" because he had written a book that revealed confidences in the Lakers' organization.

Bickerstaff could not be reached to reflect on the episode. Rush remains bewildered by it.

"I'm still confused," he said. "If you look back at my career, you never see any of my coaches say I was a problem. I've never been that type of guy.

"Something like that has to be personal. He could have just sat me down. There were only nine games left in the season."

Rush had to go to great lengths to regain his footing in the NBA. All the way to Lithuania, in fact.

Seattle released Rush in training camp last fall after he suffered a torn left groin muscle and the Sonics needed to sign a center to replace the injured Robert Swift.

That left Rush with the option of signing with Lietuvos Rytas from Lithuania's capital city of Vilnius. Rush was named Most Valuable Player of the Lithuanian Basketball League All-Star Game in February, and was named Final Four MVP when his team won the Baltic League championship in April.

Jackson showed interest in bringing Rush back to the Lakers late in the regular season, but his European contract wouldn't allow it. He had tryouts with Denver, Miami and the Pacers upon returning to the U.S., ultimately accepting the Pacers' offer because of the fit with O'Brien's offense and the opportunity for playing time.

Five years after he was the 20th selection in the NBA draft, Rush returns to the league with something to prove. He recognizes the pressure he faces to salvage his NBA career, calling it a "career-defining moment."

"I didn't deserve to be out of the league, but I'm fighting my way to get back in," he said. "Hopefully I can show everybody all those rumors weren't true."
The Pacers are betting they're not -- or at least that Rush can prove to be a good value by filling a glaring need.

"I don't know what the situation was (in Charlotte)," O'Brien said. "It really doesn't matter too much to me, because we do a thorough check on who we sign. I can assure you that in checking into Kareem, we're very pleased with who he is as a person.

"(Team president Larry Bird) and I both have a pretty good understanding of him. We're confident he has what's necessary to help our team."

Rush thought he was going to join the Pacers five years ago, when they held the 14th pick and brought him in for two workouts. He thought they would have been a good fit for him then, and still does.

"I thought I was going to be here," he said. "It kind of threw me off when they took Fred Jones.
"But I'm a Midwest boy (from Missouri) and my family is close, so I'm excited about this opportunity."

It's the opportunity to play. And the opportunity to prove a point.
Pacers trim camp roster
The Pacers waived Giorgos Diamantopoulos, Jamel Staten and Guillaume Yango on Friday from their rookie/free agent camp roster, which now stands at 15.

Kareem Rush
• Born: Oct. 30, 1980, in Kansas City, Mo.
• Height/weight: 6-6/215.
• College: Averaged 18.9 points over three seasons at Missouri. Named Big 12 Freshman of the Year and first-team all-conference as a sophomore and junior.
• NBA: Drafted with 20th selection by Toronto, then traded with Tracy Murray to L.A. Lakers for Lindsey Hunter and draft rights to Chris Jeffries. Played two-plus seasons for Lakers. Hit 6-of-7 3-pointers to lead victory over Minnesota in Game 6 of the 2004 Western Conference finals. Traded to Charlotte for two second-round draft picks in December 2004. Averaged 11.5 points for Bobcats remainder of season, and 10.1 points in 47 games in 2005-06.
• Personal: Older brother Jaron averaged 11.4 points and 7.3 rebounds as a freshman at UCLA, but left during his sophomore season after he acknowledged taking money from an AAU coach. He went undrafted in 2000. Younger brother Brandon will be a junior at Kansas. He planned to enter the NBA draft this year but tore a knee ligament in a pickup game and will return to school.

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There's a nice little picture to accompany this article:

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Dato=20070707&Kategori=SPORTS04&Lopenr=707070436&Ref=AR&Q=80&MaxW=500&MaxH=400&Site=BG&Q=80&Border=0&Title=0

I don't care what anyone else says, I love to read this kind of stuff. Charges me up a bit.

SoupIsGood
07-07-2007, 04:15 AM
I've always sort of liked Rush, mainly because of that Lakers game, and also because on one of the version of Live I was awesome with him.

But man has he got a chance to succeed here. OB will give him all the 3PT looks he wants if he plays some decent D.

Everyone seems to be waiting for our next big move, but IMO the little moves are just as important as the big moves, in terms of hopefully becoming competitive again. For example, the Spurs picking up Bruce Bowen. Obviously he's better than the average role-player, but still, finding inexpensive guys who fit your team is important.

Eindar
07-07-2007, 05:16 AM
Yep, this is a really good situation for him. Not only does he fit well into JOBs style of play, we're also horribly thin at shooting guard. I hate to say it, but if he plays as well as he did as a Laker/Bobcat, he could well end up the starting SG for this team. Marquis doesn't fit into the system as well except as a slasher, which Rush can also do.

I also find it ironic that the team that "snubbed" him on draft night is also the team that could be his "salvation". We know he'll have a vendetta against the Bobcats. Any chance he'll transfer his vendetta against the Pacers to Isiah Thomas/Fred Jones and the Knicks??

Evan_The_Dude
07-07-2007, 06:00 AM
Well, at least we do have a guy that isn't afraid to take a shot in the playoffs. I seriously hope he has a huge year here. The Bickerstaff thing is pretty suspicious [on Bernie's end].

DisplacedKnick
07-07-2007, 06:21 AM
Yeesh!

Not satisfied with a nearly 400 word article about what a great acquisition Rush is, we have just been graced by one of over 1,000 words!

Congratulations Pacer fans, you have your shooter.

Eindar
07-07-2007, 06:23 AM
Yeesh!

Not satisfied with a nearly 400 word article about what a great acquisition Rush is, we have just been graced by one of over 1,000 words!

Congratulations Pacer fans, you have your shooter.


I think when we whiffed on both Kapono and Carroll, Bird sent his press corps into full spin mode :)

DisplacedKnick
07-07-2007, 06:25 AM
I think when we whiffed on both Kapono and Carroll, Bird sent his press corps into full spin mode :)

I'm dizzy so it worked.

This keeps up I'll be even madder at Isiah than I already am - we need shooters - how could he pass up a future all-star like Kareem Rush?

Eindar
07-07-2007, 06:35 AM
I'm dizzy so it worked.

This keeps up I'll be even madder at Isiah than I already am - we need shooters - how could he pass up a future all-star like Kareem Rush?

Especially after you dealt away Steve Francis for a headcase!

indygeezer
07-07-2007, 06:54 AM
Yeesh!

Not satisfied with a nearly 400 word article about what a great acquisition Rush is, we have just been graced by one of over 1,000 words!

Congratulations Pacer fans, you have your shooter.

What amazes me is that you counted them! You really DO care don't you....Pacers fans in Spikes clothing, ain't they cute? ;)

DeS
07-07-2007, 06:59 AM
The optimistic tone hurt my eyes and i would like to respond to some optimistic comments, but let me just wish Kareem luck to prove himself :) There's nothing more exciting than a shooter getting hot.

Speed
07-07-2007, 07:23 AM
We all know he's not an allstar, but put a guy with a needed skill and a type of skill you have almost none of, with a coach that really values that skill, in your line up and it really can make a difference or at least seem better than he is.

D Armstrong was a similar player last year, ya he was DA, but he was quick and could semi guard quick guards, he was such an anomaly he stood out and seemed much better than he really was.

It's like being average looking, but in a room of ugly people, you seem much better looking that way.

Think if the Knicks didn't have anyone who ever shot, I mean like if everyone always passed, over passed because they were so unselfish and didn't shoot.... then add a Nate Robinson who shot the ball like everytime he touched it and was a guard who only would like accidentally get an assist when he shot an airball and it landed in some guys hand or if he had to inbound the ball and had no choice but to pass, well that guy would really stand out as something completely different and unique... hypothetically speaking :)

aero
07-07-2007, 07:29 AM
lets keep everything positive and optimistic today since its my birthday :D

Speed
07-07-2007, 07:51 AM
lets keep everything positive and optimistic today since its my birthday :D


Happy Birthday, I was jut kidding, not trying to get something going, honest!

Smooth_for_Pres.
07-07-2007, 08:11 AM
It would definately help take the edge off all our recent trials if Kareem turned out to be our Stephen-Jackson-gone-to-GSW. A good player with a blemished history that has a second chance and something to prove.
That sounds like a good pitch for a sitcom...

Kareem Rush stars as Bonnie Franklin in the new "ONE DAY AT A TIME"!

Unclebuck
07-07-2007, 08:22 AM
I don't care what anyone else says, I love to read this kind of stuff. Charges me up a bit.


I agree with you 100%

Thinking about it now it does seem a little vindictive for Bernie to cut him at that stage of the season (now maybe he did something that was out of line and maybe he deserved it - I don't know) However I think the statement the Bobcats released after cutting Rush was over the line I mean it was in April - what did they just find out he wasn't a hard worker. I'm glad he gets a fresh start here and he'll have a real opportunity to play significant minutes.

I would love to know the story behind why the Pacers took Jones instead of Rush

Rajah Brown
07-07-2007, 08:35 AM
UncleBuck, I think the Jones over Rush draft decision was a matter
of Isiah begging Donnie to do so until he finally relented and chose FJ.

Freddie was gonna be Isiah's second coming of 'the Microwave' !

Unclebuck
07-07-2007, 08:47 AM
UncleBuck, I think the Jones over Rush draft decision was a matter
of Isiah begging Donnie to do so until he finally relented and chose FJ.

Freddie was gonna be Isiah's second coming of 'the Microwave' !

In my very vague memory, I seem to remember that Isiah wanted Jones - but I could be wrong about that

Smooth_for_Pres.
07-07-2007, 08:50 AM
In my very vague memory, I seem to remember that Isiah wanted Jones - but I could be wrong about that

You are correct, sir...

rexnom
07-07-2007, 09:14 AM
Didn't Isiah call Freddie his "Vinnie Johnson but with hops"?

Kegboy
07-07-2007, 09:45 AM
It's like being average looking, but in a room of ugly people, you seem much better looking that way.

Lord isn't that the truth here.

I was gonna keep my mouth shut and let the sunshiners have their thread, but I sense the argument forming that we should have taken Rush over Jones. However, in deference to the ostriches, I'll use the spoiler button.


As I've harped on before, Rush has shot .345 from the arc for his career. Fred Jones shot .349 from 3 as a Pacer. :blush:

speakout4
07-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Lord isn't that the truth here.

I was gonna keep my mouth shut and let the sunshiners have their thread, but I sense the argument forming that we should have taken Rush over Jones. However, in deference to the ostriches, I'll use the spoiler button.


As I've harped on before, Rush has shot .345 from the arc for his career. Fred Jones shot .349 from 3 as a Pacer. :blush:
Haven't both been on more than two nba teams so neither is exactly top notch nba material. I wanted Rush at the time but he didn't even last as long as Freddie. I thought that he would be the new Reggie.

Speed
07-07-2007, 10:19 AM
I remember Rush being who every one had the Pacers taking, like every expert. I actually followed him for awhile to see how he panned out because I fully expected him to be taken by the Pacers. However, I remember thinking at the time that it was another Donnie smoke screen, like every other draft.

Cobol Sam
07-07-2007, 11:01 AM
Okay something in that article strikes me wrong.

Rush was released and insulted with 9 games left in the season by the Bobcats. That clearly doesn't happen for no reason and it also doesn't happen out of the blue.

So then why is Rush trying to convince us that he was innocent and clueless is the ordeal.

I'd be more optimistic if the guy came in and said "here was the problem, my fault" and then talked to us about wanting to be a Pacer.

DisplacedKnick
07-07-2007, 11:10 AM
What amazes me is that you counted them! You really DO care don't you....Pacers fans in Spikes clothing, ain't they cute? ;)

LOL - I was so taken with the backflips the Press is doing over Kareem Rush that I copied and pasted it into word, went to tools, word count ...

Came up with 1,053.

We've often talked about the value a player gives you per point or rebound (or team salary per win). How about per word?

never has so much been written about someone who is paid so little

Or something like that.

idioteque
07-07-2007, 12:35 PM
Nothing wrong with Kareem Rush. I loved the way he played in college and like others I thought that he could be the next Reggie. I remember chanting "Kareem Rush Kareem Rush" during the draft because I thought we would/wanted us to pick the guy up.

Although he has turned out just to be a decent player at best I think he fills a good, often unsung role for us. He may not be the best at putting the team on his back and driving to the basket every play, but if you set this guy a screen at any point in the game and give him a wide open three, he'll be your gamebreaker.

We haven't had anything even resembling that since Reggie. Jackson wanted to be that kind of player, but he just plain couldn't shoot from outside too well.

Oneal07
07-07-2007, 01:07 PM
I've always like Kareem's game. . .I hope to see him in a PAcers Unform this season

Anthem
07-07-2007, 01:40 PM
I'm thrilled. Rush is everything I'd want in a third-string shooting guard.

Now if we only had a starter, we'd be perfect.

JayRedd
07-07-2007, 02:43 PM
Is this really another thread about Kareem Rush?

Must be July.

DisplacedKnick
07-07-2007, 02:53 PM
Nothing wrong with Kareem Rush. I loved the way he played in college and like others I thought that he could be the next Reggie. I remember chanting "Kareem Rush Kareem Rush" during the draft because I thought we would/wanted us to pick the guy up.


Rush is just a perfect example of a very good college player without enough game to be an impact player in the NBA. There are a ton of these guys. For a while Duke specialized in 'em - Ferry & Laettner.

BTW - can we start using "Rusharrific" in the thread titles when posting articles that talk about him like he's a feature player?

idioteque
07-07-2007, 08:10 PM
Rush is just a perfect example of a very good college player without enough game to be an impact player in the NBA. There are a ton of these guys. For a while Duke specialized in 'em - Ferry & Laettner.

BTW - can we start using "Rusharrific" in the thread titles when posting articles that talk about him like he's a feature player?

Not every signing has to be a headliner. You have to get certain players to play certain roles.

Like in my last post, I will say again that I think Rush is a decent NBA player, but probably nothing else. If OB can somehow get this guy open to shoot 3's, then he'll be alright. I think that's all we really expect from this guy: to make a couple of shots while the rest of our team is chronically cold like they always seem to be 10 minutes out of every game.

Danny Ferry and Christian Laettner were serviceable NBA players. They provided decent depth and played their roles, especially Ferry. Laettner was more ridiculed because more was expected of him, but in reality he was a pretty solid player who averaged more than 15 pgg for 6 of his NBA seasons. His rebounding and toughness were suspect, but he was a good 6th man during his prime.

Anthem
07-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Not every signing has to be a headliner. You have to get certain players to play certain roles.
Agreed. But the front office seems to be claiming that this signing is a headliner. And it's not.

idioteque
07-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Agreed. But the front office seems to be claiming that this signing is a headliner. And it's not.

I can agree with you there. I don't think the presses stopped in San Antonio when they signed Horry or even in Indiana when we signed Smooth. And Rush won't ever do anymore than play an Horry-like role for us, although I do like those kind of players alot.

I agree with you though, TPTB needs to act like they've been there before and not make a big deal about this. This is supposed to be one of those quiet, low risk moves that can either make you better or the player just goes away and the fans mostly forget about it.

But the way TPTB are hyping this, if Rush doesn't pan out TPTB are going to be further ridiculed for their ineptitude, when in reality this should be a low risk thing for them.

Anthem
07-07-2007, 11:19 PM
I agree with you though, TPTB needs to act like they've been there before and not make a big deal about this. This is supposed to be one of those quiet, low risk moves that can either make you better or the player just goes away and the fans mostly forget about it.

But the way TPTB are hyping this, if Rush doesn't pan out TPTB are going to be further ridiculed for their ineptitude, when in reality this should be a low risk thing for them.
Yup. I'm with you on that.

Kegboy
07-07-2007, 11:25 PM
I agree with you though, TPTB needs to act like they've been there before and not make a big deal about this. This is supposed to be one of those quiet, low risk moves that can either make you better or the player just goes away and the fans mostly forget about it.

But the way TPTB are hyping this, if Rush doesn't pan out TPTB are going to be further ridiculed for their ineptitude, when in reality this should be a low risk thing for them.

I'm concerned that Larry might have hung himself out to dry with that "I'm gonna get a great shooter" stuff, and when Almond fell through and he couldn't get Carroll (we were reportedly after him) they decided to make a bigger deal out of it then it is.

Or, Kareem really has been the guy all along, just like with Shawne Williams and Jim O'Brien before him, which comes off as a little odd.

idioteque
07-08-2007, 12:19 AM
I'm concerned that Larry might have hung himself out to dry with that "I'm gonna get a great shooter" stuff, and when Almond fell through and he couldn't get Carroll (we were reportedly after him) they decided to make a bigger deal out of it then it is.

Or, Kareem really has been the guy all along, just like with Shawne Williams and Jim O'Brien before him, which comes off as a little odd.

I share your concern and this actually brings me to another point.

Larry is not playing his cards too well with fans sometimes, hinting that we are going to get a shooter (whether this shooter was really high profile or not makes no difference, if you're going to tell the fans you're going to do something, the fans are probably going to assume it's a big move no matter what) and also that we were going to get in the first round of the draft, only to be burned later on both remarks.

I think we can all agree this is the case.

Which leads me to wonder: If Larry is doing this poorly in playing his cards with the fans, how are his negotiation skills with other NBA GM's? I think that a lot of trade negotiation and the signing of players is made up of bluffling, some lying, and other forms of deception in order to get the best deal for your team. If Larry can't keep face with the fans, are other GM's secretly laughing about how poor of a deal maker and negotiator he is?

Jose Slaughter
07-08-2007, 12:45 AM
What are the odds that the next time Tinsley is involved with the police, Rush will be with him?

Anthem
07-08-2007, 01:01 AM
I'd say Rush's odds are better than Daniels'.

Hicks
07-08-2007, 01:07 AM
Because he may or may not have been a slacker in Charlotte?

Jose Slaughter
07-08-2007, 01:28 AM
While we're talking "feel good" stories, heres one for the "feel good" HOF

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/jackson_q&a_060913.html?rss=true

larry
07-08-2007, 01:36 AM
UncleBuck, I think the Jones over Rush draft decision was a matter
of Isiah begging Donnie to do so until he finally relented and chose FJ.

Freddie was gonna be Isiah's second coming of 'the Microwave' !

The "Microwave" is 1 of the coolest nicknames I've heard.
Rush does make sense. I like the signing.
I would of enjoyed J.O. & Allen.
That would of made a better match than Peirce & Allen, but oh well.
But maybe a big isn't needed. I think it is, but we can't become a team making blockbuster deals every few months.

DisplacedKnick
07-08-2007, 08:04 AM
The issue with this isn't whether Rush is a good signing or not - IMO it is. But he's not the second coming and shouldn't be hyped that way.

There are three issues with this.

First, to intelligent fans it smells like some sort of snow job. Of course I don't think management has helped iteself in the trust department the last couple of years anyway.

Second, it gives an impression that this is it - this is "the shooter" Bird was harping about. If I'm a Pacers fan, that's pretty depressing.

And last but not least, the fact that they've decided to pull this hype job indicates to me that TPTB don't think Pacer fans are very bright. I don't know where that comes from - most Pacer fans I know are smart enough to figure out that putting frosting on a dog turd doesn't make it a birthday cake but all the Kareem Rush promo's must mean that management thinks fans will buy it.

This is one of those nothing deals that deserves a paragraph and IF Rush becomes the first guard off the bench averaging 10 ppg while shooting 40% from 3 THEN you pat yourselves on the back for it - and if he doesn't work out you let him drift quietly off into the sunset.

Los Angeles
07-08-2007, 01:30 PM
While we're talking "feel good" stories, heres one for the "feel good" HOF

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/jackson_q&a_060913.html?rss=true

For posterity:




Pacers.com Q&A: Sept. 13, 2006
Refreshed Jackson Eager
To Show Positive Attitude

He's been durable (missing just one game due to injury in two seasons) and productive (averaging 17.3 points, 3.6 rebounds, 2.6 assists and 1.27 steals) and yet Stephen Jackson has become a target for fan criticism because of his occasional bursts of erratic behavior. Upon his arrival in Indianapolis this week to begin preparations for the 2006-07 season, Jackson sporting a beard after a summer of soul-searching pledged to adjust his attitude and win back the fans in an exclusive question-and-answer session with Conrad Brunner of Pacers.com.

Q. What was your approach to the offseason?
A. I had a lot of soul-searching to do this summer. The last two years was probably not the best years but the biggest learning years of my career. Everything we've been through as far as me stepping up and being a leader on a team, me basically taking a lot of heat from the team and me having the most ups and downs I've ever had, I think this year I'm approaching it trying to be more positive in my game, getting back to the San Antonio Steve Jackson. A lot of the stuff the last two years, it was hard for everybody to deal with. All the negative stuff that was going on took a toll on everybody in the organization and it showed in our play a lot. My biggest thing this summer was being more focused on the positive things, helping other people and helping my game and staying on the court.

Q. With other teams, particularly so in San Antonio, you've been a fan favorite but it hasn't worked out that way here. Do you feel the need to turn that around?
A. I definitely have to turn that around because a lot of that was me and a lot of it was the way we were playing. I can't blame the fans because I catch myself booing guys on TV when I'm watching football or baseball. So I know what the fans feel like. And at times they had the right to do that because I was being immature out there and I wasn't being professional. I wasn't being the guy they brought me here to be. I'm going to get back to doing what I'm supposed to do, handling it the way I'm supposed to handle it and also letting the fans know I'm out here for them, I'm going to give them 110 percent and I'm going to be more positive. This organization has been known as a great group of professionals who go out there and play the game and have fun and win and not be, shall I say, (jerks). I plan on going out there and fixing that my situation with the referees, the league and the fans. I definitely owe that to them.

Q. What was the genesis of your new outlook?
A. It's just me growing up, me understanding I'm definitely blessed to be here. I have another opportunity to win a championship, an opportunity to play with a great group of guys, and have another opportunity to better myself, my family and this organization. The confidence that Rick (Carlisle) and Larry (Bird) and Donnie (Walsh) have showed in me, and also my teammates, is something no other organization has showed in me since I've been in the league. I have to take advantage of that and show them I appreciate it.

Q. When you left Conseco Fieldhouse after the postseason meetings after the first-round loss to New Jersey, did you suspect you might not be back?
A. I didn't feel like I was but I didn't feel like I wasn't, either. It was a 50-50 situation. I think that was the best thing for me because I approached this summer not worrying about where I'm going to be and not worrying about the last two seasons. My whole summer was focused on me getting better as a person, as a player and as a father. Spending a lot of time with my kids and being focused on how they're doing in their situations has helped me be more positive in my life. It's helping me out.

Q. It sounds like you're glad you are back.
A. I am glad. I don't want to leave. I've got a chance to show people why they (traded for) me. This is my year to show it.

Q. As you look around the locker room, you can't help but notice all the tape with new players' names scribbled in ink over the lockers. In fact, they outnumber the nameplates of those that return from last year. How do you feel about all the changes the team has made?
A. It's good because we needed a change. The last two years were definitely hard. I don't think any team in this league has ever experienced what this organization has been through the last two years. I think it was time for new change even if it was me, it was time for new change. But I thank God it wasn't. I'm thankful the team still has confidence in me and wants me to be part of this new change. It was definitely needed.

Q. Even with the changes, most of the nucleus of the team has returned intact. As part of that group, do you feel increased responsibility to carry things forward?
A. Definitely. Me, J.T. (Jamaal Tinsley) and J.O. (Jermaine O'Neal) definitely have to step up and be leaders but not only by talking, we've got to lead by example. We've got a lot of young guys and we also have got Al (Harrington) back, so we have everything we need to get the job done. More than us playing hard and being young guys with a lot of energy, we've got to be smart. We've got to make smart decisions on the court and off the court. We've got to be smarter as far as leading the young guys and watching what we do. I can't be out there not letting Rick (Carlisle) get on me, because if I feel like I can curse him out and not let him get on me, then other guys are going to feel like they can do the same thing. A lot of this stuff I owe to me spending time with my kids and focusing on being a father because it's making me grow up.

Q. You brought all six of your children (ages 1 to 9) from their homes in California, Texas and New York to your home in Atlanta this summer. What impact did that time together have on you?
A. To see all my kids playing together in one house and seeing I brought six lives onto this Earth at times it actually brought tears to my eyes to see all my kids growing up, you know?

BlueNGold
07-08-2007, 04:30 PM
I thank God that Jack is no longer a Pacer and Rick and his no backbone approach to coaching is history. What an incredibly bad combination!!!

This particular quote stands out to me:

"I can't be out there not letting Rick (Carlisle) get on me, because if I feel like I can curse him out and not let him get on me, then other guys are going to feel like they can do the same thing."

McKeyFan
07-08-2007, 07:44 PM
I thank God that Jack is no longer a Pacer and Rick and his no backbone approach to coaching is history. What an incredibly bad combination!!!

This particular quote stands out to me:

"I can't be out there not letting Rick (Carlisle) get on me, because if I feel like I can curse him out and not let him get on me, then other guys are going to feel like they can do the same thing."

Never did one quote better sum up two year's of chaos.

Bball
07-08-2007, 09:49 PM
The issue with this isn't whether Rush is a good signing or not - IMO it is. But he's not the second coming and shouldn't be hyped that way.

There are three issues with this.

First, to intelligent fans it smells like some sort of snow job. Of course I don't think management has helped iteself in the trust department the last couple of years anyway.

Second, it gives an impression that this is it - this is "the shooter" Bird was harping about. If I'm a Pacers fan, that's pretty depressing.

And last but not least, the fact that they've decided to pull this hype job indicates to me that TPTB don't think Pacer fans are very bright. I don't know where that comes from - most Pacer fans I know are smart enough to figure out that putting frosting on a dog turd doesn't make it a birthday cake but all the Kareem Rush promo's must mean that management thinks fans will buy it.

This is one of those nothing deals that deserves a paragraph and IF Rush becomes the first guard off the bench averaging 10 ppg while shooting 40% from 3 THEN you pat yourselves on the back for it - and if he doesn't work out you let him drift quietly off into the sunset.


This perfectly sums up the situation.

-Bball

Young
07-08-2007, 10:27 PM
Kareem should turn out alright.

He played well with the Lakers and Bobcats, we know he can play.

Is he going to come in and start and average 15 points? No, I highly doubt it. But with OB wanting a lot of 3 pointers Rush is really a good fit.

It's a low risk move. We added a solid role player that fits with what our coach wants.

As far as what Bernie had to say, I question how much it means. Phil stood up for Kareem, Phil has 9 championships to Bernie's 0 I believe, gotta believe Phil that Kareem is not a problem on this one. And what Bernie said to me just indicates it as personel. I'm not worried about Rush as a person or worker.