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edc
06-12-2007, 12:19 PM
If the Pacers got the 19 pick from the Lakers trade.............Marco Belinelli anyone?

NapTonius Monk
06-12-2007, 01:29 PM
If he's there, I would consider him, but I would prefer Morris Almond, or Rudy Fernandez.

avoidingtheclowns
06-12-2007, 01:31 PM
if we're really in the market for a shooter we could get telfair or try to find jayson williams

Young
06-12-2007, 01:45 PM
Well I agree that we need a shooter badly but I don't think that Belinelli is it. Bad bad defense.

Give me Morris Almond, Daequan Cook, or Rudy Fernandez if we are talking about drafting one.

Or we could probably sign one or trade for one. Jarvis Hayes and Mike James may be avaliable. Matt Carroll and Jason Kaponno are free agents I believe.

DisplacedKnick
06-12-2007, 01:45 PM
if we're really in the market for a shooter we could get telfair or try to find jayson williams

Makes trading Jax away kind of senseless too ...

avoidingtheclowns
06-12-2007, 01:54 PM
Makes trading Jax away kind of senseless too ...

not exactly, having a shooter is kind of pointless if he's going to miss all the time, firing stuff every which way into the air. now jayson williams, theres a guy that could land a shot. i wonder what robert blake is doing...

pwee31
06-12-2007, 02:07 PM
Belinelli, Rudy Fernandez, or Almond in the draft. Otherwise trade/free agency for a shooter, and draft at another position

Evan_The_Dude
06-12-2007, 02:11 PM
I'd want Matt Carroll just so we don't have to worry about him killing us every time he plays us. But I think Granger and Shawne Williams will be better from outside this coming season, especially Williams because he shoots with so much confidence. Remember, players can become better shooters. When we got Al Harrington back last offseason, we had no idea we were getting a guy that would hit well above 40% from beyond the arc for the majority of his stint here. I'd make it a point to get a point guard that can shoot, but I don't think he needs to be the starter... Though I'd love for us to try to get Mike Bibby here.

LG33
06-12-2007, 02:18 PM
I'd make it a point to get a point guard that can shoot, but I don't think he needs to be the starter...

Travis Diener...? You watch those Orlando games again! You'll all see! Muahahahah...

Frank Slade
06-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Crittendon, if we are drafting a shooter and not a PG/Scorer. He would be the best available if still there at 19. ,IMO at that pick.
I can't tell if Law is going to be gone by that point ,probably but it seems lately he's all over the place when it comes to the "mock drafts"

Kstat
06-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Law canceled his workouts with everyone past the LA Clippers. He probably got a guarantee at #14.

Naptown_Seth
06-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Makes trading Jax away kind of senseless too ...
Forget that even, what about letting James Jones go. That was horrible and I stand by that opinion still. Limited game is fine if the one thing he does great is something no one else really does.

In Reggie's last year JJ came in and ran the same plays as Reg for the same kinds of jumpers. Then the Pacers went cheap and let him go.

Oh for Troy and Dun they have a few extra million, but for James Jones nothing. :mad:

Slick Pinkham
06-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Forget that even, what about letting James Jones go.

He was talking about SJax being a "shooter" as in a well-armed felon ready to fire at handicapped persons who give him grief.

Anthem
06-12-2007, 06:10 PM
I do miss James Jones.

DisplacedKnick
06-12-2007, 06:22 PM
He was talking about SJax being a "shooter" as in a well-armed felon ready to fire at handicapped persons who give him grief.

I probably should have thrown a smiley in but I was taking my lead from the non-smiley instigator. ;)

bellisimo
06-12-2007, 06:49 PM
I do miss James Jones.

JJ could definitely hit some Js....

SoupIsGood
06-12-2007, 07:00 PM
I do miss James Jones.

I miss him too, but that's just because I liked the guy. He wasn't worth keeping, and letting him go wasn't a mistake. Why would we need him? The only thing he does well is 3PT'ers, and he's never even shot 40% for a season. His overall FG% is always scary low, and he plays SF, a position we remain stacked at.

BTW, Danny was a better three point shooter than James last year.

diamonddave00
06-12-2007, 07:07 PM
James Jones shot 36.8% on his field goals this season. He shot 37.8% on his 3pointers . This is with wide open shots from Nash penetrating , he'd do even worse here guarded.

For his career he is a 39.5% over all shooter and 38.5% from 3's. No idea what James Jones you people have been watching.

Lets put it in perpective even Tinsley at 38.9 % out shot JJ % wise from the field. Danny Granger and Troy Murphy shot better % from 3's than JJ.

How James Jones is ever thought of as this great shooter is beyond me.

Anthem
06-12-2007, 07:08 PM
I've wondered if the Suns system isn't a little too fast for JJ. He never seemed as at home there as he did here, his percentages (and form) have been worse, and he just never seemed as heady.

I agree that we don't need more SFs, and I'd rather have Shawne than JJ. I'm fine with the fact that we let him go, I just liked him.

Anthem
06-12-2007, 07:12 PM
Lets put it in perpective even Tinsley at 38.9 % out shot JJ % wise from the field.
Tinsley shot .316 from three, compared to .378 by JJ. That's a big difference.

Overall, I agree with your point. JJ's a nice third-stringer, or a second-stringer in a limited role.

Doesn't mean I can't like him.

bellisimo
06-12-2007, 07:34 PM
Tinsley shot .316 from three, compared to .378 by JJ. That's a big difference.

Overall, I agree with your point. JJ's a nice third-stringer, or a second-stringer in a limited role.

Doesn't mean I can't like him.

exactly...I thought he was good as someone that can come off from the bench and be in a position to knock down some shots. Sure he can't light it up like a starter...but its JJ we're talking about!

Evan_The_Dude
06-12-2007, 10:06 PM
James Jones shot 36.8% on his field goals this season. He shot 37.8% on his 3pointers . This is with wide open shots from Nash penetrating , he'd do even worse here guarded.

For his career he is a 39.5% over all shooter and 38.5% from 3's. No idea what James Jones you people have been watching.

Lets put it in perpective even Tinsley at 38.9 % out shot JJ % wise from the field. Danny Granger and Troy Murphy shot better % from 3's than JJ.

How James Jones is ever thought of as this great shooter is beyond me.


Good Lord. Thank you for posting that and saving me some time. If there's ever been an overrated former Pacer, James Jones would be first mention.

Kegboy
06-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Yep, James Jones has not done well in Phoenix. But, he still did more than James White. So did Alexander Johnson. And whomever Portland drafts with our 2nd probably will too.

(IOW, I hate Larry.)

Kegboy
06-12-2007, 10:17 PM
As for the topic at hand, I'd prefer Almond, if only because there's an infinitesimal chance that Shawn Respert body-swapped with him while at Rice, and he now has the size and health he never had to make it in the NBA.

:disturbed

owl
06-12-2007, 10:33 PM
Morris Almond is who I would take at 19. If you can get higher get Young.
Pacers greatest need is shooting guard with point running neck and neck
for number one need.

pwee31
06-12-2007, 10:39 PM
I would also look at undrafted guys who might be able to come cheap, and make a roster spot, like a Lee Humphrey type

Kegboy
06-12-2007, 10:56 PM
I would also look at undrafted guys who might be able to come cheap, and make a roster spot, like a Lee Humphrey type

I've said it before, Ron Lewis.

avoidingtheclowns
06-12-2007, 11:00 PM
i can't believe i forgot to mention lonnie baxter earlier in this thread.

pwee31
06-12-2007, 11:15 PM
I've said it before, Ron Lewis.

I personally think Ron Lewis will get drafted, but yeah he's a guy I would put in the mix as well.... though he has a strange looking shot! :)

wintermute
06-12-2007, 11:31 PM
I would also look at undrafted guys who might be able to come cheap, and make a roster spot, like a Lee Humphrey type

dan nwaelele - 6'5" sg, past season stats: 14.3ppg, 51.6% fg%, 45% 3pt%

http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1206

will probably go undrafted, but possibly has a nba future as a shooting specialist, and even has some athletic upside to boot

Young
06-13-2007, 12:12 AM
Zabian Dowdell should be the guy we look at as far as second rounders. Row Lewis might be alright as well but I like Dowdell in the second round if we wanted to trade for one.

NapTonius Monk
06-13-2007, 02:10 PM
I've said it before, Ron Lewis.

You know, I agree with you. I can't understand why the mock drafts have him barely getting drafted. I thought he was much better than Daequan Cook.

Peck
06-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Yep, James Jones has not done well in Phoenix. But, he still did more than James White. So did Alexander Johnson. And whomever Portland drafts with our 2nd probably will too.

(IOW, I hate Larry.)

What about his boss who signed off on that trade? Or for all we know made the trade himself?

Peck
06-13-2007, 02:18 PM
Forget that even, what about letting James Jones go. That was horrible and I stand by that opinion still. Limited game is fine if the one thing he does great is something no one else really does.

In Reggie's last year JJ came in and ran the same plays as Reg for the same kinds of jumpers. Then the Pacers went cheap and let him go.

Oh for Troy and Dun they have a few extra million, but for James Jones nothing. :mad:

The really stupid part of that is that they banked on Ron Artest (even after knowing all of the problems) and let Jones go. Keeping Danny and James behind Ron didn't make sense, until you stopped to think that we were keeping Ron Artest.

James would have been a real nice backup and at a decent price as well.

Also for those who think that James only is a shooter, I always thought he was a pretty good defender and rebounder in our system as well.

But that's just me.

ChicagoJ
06-13-2007, 02:51 PM
James Jones is an undersized "four" with a nice, but not spectacular, shooting stroke.

I wouldn't have minded keeping him, but so many of the James Jones fanboys (can I say that?) wanted to try him at SG.

I don't know whether to :laugh: or :puke: at that idea.

idioteque
06-13-2007, 03:23 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/demetrisnichols.html

I like this guy if we are able to acquire an early-mid second round pick. He's been mentioned before on this board as someone who looks like Reggie coming out of college, and while I fully believe that of course there will never be another Reggie in pure form, this guy could end up being a pretty decent third or so option in the league.

LG33
06-13-2007, 03:31 PM
Kareem Rush...will work for peanuts. A little JO'B discipline, and we're set for the year.

pwee31
06-13-2007, 03:35 PM
Where's Mike Gansey from WVU at these days?

Anthem
06-13-2007, 05:01 PM
James Jones is an undersized "four" with a nice, but not spectacular, shooting stroke.

I wouldn't have minded keeping him, but so many of the James Jones fanboys (can I say that?) wanted to try him at SG.
He wouldn't be much worse at the 2 than Dunleavy, and he gets paid, what, a quarter of what Dun makes?

He defends much better than Dun, that's for sure. He did fairly well against Rip Hamilton.

CableKC
06-13-2007, 05:06 PM
The pizza place that I was having lunch was showing highlights from the 2001 NBA finals with the Lakers and the Pacers.

I sat there and began to miss the good old days of Reggie draining 3pt shot after 3pt shot.

That's what I miss now....we need.....as this thread suggests....a shooter on the team. I know that its a stretch.....but if we have a 19th pick...I really would consider picking up Morris Almond. I could care less that he's not a great defender....I just want a very solid shooter that can hit both the mid and long range shot.

LG33
06-13-2007, 07:13 PM
I'm telling you, Kareem Rush would be a good choice now. He's got experience in the NBA, he's been doing well overseas. Give the kid a chance. He was a pretty good shooter as far as I can remember, and he can't be that old now. Give him an invite to camp at least.

Edit: We should ask our Latvian friends if he's performing up to par to be sure.

BoomBaby31
06-13-2007, 07:18 PM
I would also look at undrafted guys who might be able to come cheap, and make a roster spot, like a Lee Humphrey type

Dude if Humphrey didn't get drafted we better at least give him a work out. That kid can shoot, defended undefended pressure no pressure.

Young
06-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Lets not overrate Humphrey here.

He did a great job the past couple of years for the Gators. He did his job very well and helped the Gators win two national titles.

But Humphrey doesn't belong in the NBA. He isn't an NBA calibar player. If he had been on about any other team in the country he wouldn't be talked about. He did a great job for Donovan and the Gators but just isn't an NBA calibar player.

sig
06-13-2007, 08:28 PM
Because of issues with coaches and his recent accident, I suspect that I know what the general feeling here will be but JR Smith is only 21 and can shoot lights out. He has some issues but drugs, brawls and guns haven't been a reported part of his past. Just immaturity and stupidity.

With the Nuggets trying to unload Camby, Harrison for Smith might work for the nuggets. I think Smith is a quite a bit better than Harrison so maybe Denver would not be interested. Harrison played for Colorado in college if that means anything.

Smith losing his apparent best friend might be what wakes the guy up in the maturity department. He can step in and average close to 20 points instead of waiting for a rookie to develop by acquiring a draft pick.

pwee31
06-13-2007, 09:03 PM
Lets not overrate Humphrey here.

He did a great job the past couple of years for the Gators. He did his job very well and helped the Gators win two national titles.

But Humphrey doesn't belong in the NBA. He isn't an NBA calibar player. If he had been on about any other team in the country he wouldn't be talked about. He did a great job for Donovan and the Gators but just isn't an NBA calibar player.

That's been said about so many players that are now in the NBA

edc
06-27-2007, 05:36 AM
Bird priority right now is a shooter.

I hope we can get two shooters.

Belinelli? Kapono? Humprey? Mo Williams?

Michael Redd?????