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NPFII
06-11-2007, 05:10 AM
Was offered a 3-year deal by the Raptors. He can opt out of his final year in Indiana. The offer is probably around the $1mil/year.

No link, heard it on TV.

Mourning
06-11-2007, 06:02 AM
Nothing disastrous for us IF that were to happen. I wouldn't like it, because I like Maceo, his game and his professionalism and would prefer to keep him here, but it's not something that could be covered this summer either.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Alpolloloco
06-11-2007, 06:26 AM
There was already a rumor that the Raptors were interested in Jasikevicius, so if both guys get reunited with Anthony Parker I think I'm going to adept Toronto as my 2nd favourite NBA team!

Will Galen
06-11-2007, 06:47 AM
Was offered a 3-year deal by the Raptors. He can opt out of his final year in Indiana. The offer is probably around the $1mil/year.

No link, heard it on TV.

Until he opts out of his deal, no one can talk to him. That would be tampering.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#92
91. What is tampering?

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team to negotiate for their services. The NBA takes tampering very seriously and may impose stiff penalties if it is discovered, however the league will not investigate unless another team files tampering charges. Here are some examples:

* The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was still head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
* After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering.

diamonddave00
06-11-2007, 07:30 AM
I have heard the same that Maceo Baston will sign with the Raptors.

NPFII
06-11-2007, 07:45 AM
Until he opts out of his deal, no one can talk to him. That would be tampering.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#92
91. What is tampering?

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team to negotiate for their services. The NBA takes tampering very seriously and may impose stiff penalties if it is discovered, however the league will not investigate unless another team files tampering charges. Here are some examples:

* The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was still head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.
* After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering.

Well I dunno anything about that - I just heard on TV that Mace is probably headed to join his former Maccabi teammate (again, but this time it's Parker). For his sake I hope Sam Mitchell plays him more consistently than Carlisle did.

I'm guessing here that "tampering" happens all the time. I'm also guessing that the "tampered" teams probably know about it most of the times, and I'll continue by guessing that they hardly ever do anything about it, cause well - they've "tampered" as well.

Specifically speaking - Maceo doesn't earn much in NBA terms - under $1mil/year. He has a serious career decision coming up where he can opt out and maybe get a raise, or a longer contract. But he isnt allowed to check it, according to the letter of the law. He's got to opt out first, and then feel the waters. That's demanding a lot from a guy who's not sure of his place in the NBA. Checking with other teams thru "back-channels" like friends and family, and old acquaintances seems like a pretty good option for Baston. In this case, Toronto can't be charged of "tampering" cause they never actually talked to Baston, and surely noone in Indiana can ever prove anything...

Unclebuck
06-11-2007, 08:22 AM
I hope they did offer him a contract because that would be a huge tampering violation and the penalties would be so huge the Raptors franchise for all intents and purporses would be shut down

Kegboy
06-11-2007, 08:49 AM
I hope they did offer him a contract because that would be a huge tampering violation and the penalties would be so huge the Raptors franchise for all intents and purporses would be shut down

Yes, since we're the wronged party, instead of their draft picks disappearing like Minny's, I think we should get them instead.

:dance:

2Cleva
06-11-2007, 08:57 AM
Things like this happen all the time in the NBA. Talk is made to agents ahead of time, with deals decided later. As long as its not in writing, the league will turn the other way.

Unclebuck
06-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Things like this happen all the time in the NBA. Talk is made to agents ahead of time, with deals decided later. As long as its not in writing, the league will turn the other way.

Even if I agree with your statement that is happens al the time. Do you really think the Raptors want Baston that badly that they would take such a risk.

I'm not buying this "TV report" for a second

sixthman
06-11-2007, 09:12 AM
Maceo is one of my favorite Pacers; I enjoy watching him play. However, with our current roster we sure don't need Maceo. Of course, by the end of the summer who knows?

My guess is he will move on to a team where he has a better chance for PT.

pwee31
06-11-2007, 09:22 AM
His agent has said that Maceo will probably opt out of his contract!

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2007/06/a_few_tidbits.html

Trader Joe
06-11-2007, 09:34 AM
There was already a rumor that the Raptors were interested in Jasikevicius, so if both guys get reunited with Anthony Parker I think I'm going to adept Toronto as my 2nd favourite NBA team!

If you keep the Pacers as your favorite NBA team with Runi, Parker, and Maceo on the same team, I'll never question your loyalty again.

Anthem
06-11-2007, 09:52 AM
A shame. He was one of the few guys I really hoped would be back next season.

Toronto's going to get more out of him than we did, that's for sure.

Alpolloloco
06-11-2007, 10:05 AM
I hope Baston will get more playing time in Toronto but that team also has a glut of big man (Bosh/Rasho/Andrea/Garbo/Kris) so let's wait and see how many minutes are available for him.

Trader Joe
06-11-2007, 10:16 AM
I hope Baston will get more playing time in Toronto but that team also has a glut of big man (Bosh/Rasho/Andrea/Garbo/Kris) so let's wait and see how many minutes are available for him.

Rasho and Humphries are garbage.

NuffSaid
06-11-2007, 10:18 AM
I hope they did offer him a contract because that would be a huge tampering violation and the penalties would be so huge the Raptors franchise for all intents and purporses would be shut down
Do I detect alittle hatred for our northern NBA brothern? :hmm:

Go on, UB. Tell us how you really feel. :laugh:

NuffSaid
06-11-2007, 10:22 AM
There was already a rumor that the Raptors were interested in Jasikevicius, so if both guys get reunited with Anthony Parker I think I'm going to adept Toronto as my 2nd favourite NBA team!

A shame. He was one of the few guys I really hoped would be back next season.

Toronto's going to get more out of him than we did, that's for sure.
Agreed. And if he's partnered w/two of his former teammates again where all three have had success, Toronto could be one very interesting team to watch in the East next season.

NPFII
06-11-2007, 10:23 AM
Even if I agree with your statement that is happens al the time. Do you really think the Raptors want Baston that badly that they would take such a risk.

I'm not buying this "TV report" for a second

Yes, cause it's a no-risk. There's no real way to prove injustice. Agents and 3rd parties can manipulate the media for all we know.

As much as I dont buy "TV reports" myself - well waddayaknow - this one may just turn out...

idioteque
06-11-2007, 10:41 AM
Baston would be crazy not to take it, tampering reports aside.

He did show something last year, albiet he showed it in INCREDIBLY limited time. I think that Baston has the ability to be a solid contributor off the bench next year for whomever he plays. If I were him I'd be wanting the year of my basketball life back that Carly stole last year. Maceo's lack of consistent PT and complete under utilization was one of the things that bothered me about RC the most last year.

Oneal07
06-11-2007, 11:28 AM
I have heard the same that Maceo Baston will sign with the Raptors.


That's good news for the Raptors!!! PAcers are stupid if they lt him go. . .He will succeed over there

Hicks
06-11-2007, 11:29 AM
I'll not be happy to see him go.

avoidingtheclowns
06-11-2007, 11:45 AM
I'll not be happy to see him go.

ditto.

Shade
06-11-2007, 12:07 PM
Yes! More minutes for Troy Murphy! :rolleyes: :suicide:

PaceBalls
06-11-2007, 12:42 PM
Yes! More minutes for Troy Murphy! :rolleyes: :suicide:

yeah no doubt... uhg..

Here is the thing, If they are really gonna get rid of JO, we need to keep Baston. Not only that he needs to be playing big minutes. Some of the positive memories I had of the Pacers this year was with Jeff and Maceo on the floor together. And the dude always played hard. Big mistake letting him go. He could play a big part with the Pacers next year. Maybe even be a starter.

And that always bugged me too about Rick. why the hell wouldn't he play Maceo?

CableKC
06-11-2007, 01:27 PM
A shame. He was one of the few guys I really hoped would be back next season.

Toronto's going to get more out of him than we did, that's for sure.
I totally agree......I really wanted to have Baston, McLeod and Greene back on the team.

With Parker in the lineup and the liklihood that Ike will see increased minutes at the Frontcourt rotation....I can see Baston deciding to go to Toronto.

With Toronto's European style of play....Baston can probably fit in there better. Too bad.....with all the talk about JO'B going with players that work hard, are fairly athletic and can play defense.....Baston probably would have seen more minutes in a JO'B lineup.

Naptown_Seth
06-11-2007, 04:46 PM
I hope they did offer him a contract because that would be a huge tampering violation and the penalties would be so huge the Raptors franchise for all intents and purporses would be shut down
Um, can we not rattle the sabers so loudly considering Rick's post-season comments about possible coaches the Pacers were interested in.

ABADays
06-11-2007, 06:02 PM
I'll not be happy to see him go.

Me either.

Kstat
06-11-2007, 06:04 PM
Well, you guys have to figure that with Saras gone there isn't much reason for him to stay in Indy, especially with him not playing much anyway.

LoneGranger33
06-11-2007, 06:36 PM
Well, you guys have to figure that with Saras gone there isn't much reason for him to stay in Indy, especially with him not playing much anyway.

What about the sights and sounds? Same reason VC wants to stay in New Jersey! :)

We could always bring Sarunas back...

...

...

nahhhh...

blanket
06-29-2007, 07:51 PM
*BUMP*

Now that Free Agency period is almost here, if Toronto really wants Baston I think we should be opportunistic about it.

Last year, we basically gave Fred Jones to the Raptors after they lost out on the backup SG they were after (John Salmons?) by renouncing our rights to match -- even though he was our Restricted Free Agent. I know this was a financial decision, but it's time to start getting something out of our assets.

Since Baston is also our RFA this summer, I propose that we tell Toronto we will match any reasonable contract offer to him, so if they want him they'll have to work out a sign and trade with us. If they want him badly enough, we should be able to get a player back (Graham? Dixon? Humphries?), or at least a 2nd round pick.

btowncolt
06-29-2007, 07:55 PM
Last year, we basically gave Fred Jones to the Raptors after they lost out on the backup SG they were after (John Salmons?) by renouncing our rights to match -- even though he was our Restricted Free Agent. I know this was a financial decision, but it's time to start getting something out of our assets.

It was more of a basketball decision. And from the looks of last year (and him being traded AGAIN), it was a good one.

Not to get this off topic, sorry.

SoupIsGood
06-29-2007, 07:58 PM
:(

Bird's one good Euro addition...

blanket
06-29-2007, 08:03 PM
It was more of a basketball decision. And from the looks of last year (and him being traded AGAIN), it was a good one.

Not to get this off topic, sorry.

We might not have intended to keep him, but renouncing our rights to match after FA period has already started (which almost never happens) is definitely a financial decision.

btowncolt
06-29-2007, 08:08 PM
We might not have intended to keep him, but renouncing our rights to match after FA period has already started (which almost never happens) is definitely a financial decision.

Nah, we'd made the decision to not have him on the team at any cost. And they were giving him the opportunity to hit unrestricted free agency without any snags. They had decided to get rid of him long before they did that, and it wasn't financial. We went over all this here when it happened though, so there's no point in me re-hashing old history. My bad.

NPFII
06-30-2007, 04:35 PM
If I understood correctly Baston can opt-out, and thus become unrestricted. I'm not sure of the deadline date for this... Correct me if I'm wrong.

He's also been reported to be heavily courted by Maccabi, and several other European teams.


The Raptors offer is rumoured to be in the range of 1-1.5mil/3yrs, which is practically doubling his current salary.

Kegboy
06-30-2007, 04:52 PM
If they want him badly enough, we should be able to get a player back (Graham? Dixon? Humphries?), or at least a 2nd round pick.

Uh, no. Not happening.

Oneal07
06-30-2007, 05:05 PM
Baston said he would love to come back and play for Indiana!!! But I think Colangelo is targeting Baston, I just have that gut feeling. Who else on the FA market is an international player? If Raps get him, They are gonna be a complete team!!

Shade
06-30-2007, 05:18 PM
Baston said he would love to come back and play for Indiana!!! But I think Colangelo is targeting Baston, I just have that gut feeling. Who else on the FA market is an international player? If Raps get him, They are gonna be a complete team!!

Do you have a quote from Baston somewhere?

I hope we retain him, which means matching an offer if it's reasonable.

Oneal07
06-30-2007, 05:40 PM
I thought it was on Pacers.com where they were recaping the season,but I was wrong, I'll find it somewhere

indyman37
06-30-2007, 08:59 PM
I really want to keep Baston, but if we can't, I want a sign-and-trade!

blanket
07-03-2007, 09:28 AM
So since the Raptors used the entirety of their MLE on Kapono, presumably they only have a minimum contract to throw at Baston (which is what he got from us last year). Unless we sign-and-trade him to Toronto, I see us matching any offer he receives from them.

Robobtowncolt
07-03-2007, 09:54 AM
He became a restricted free agent when he opted out. Can you sign and trade a restricted free agent?

Anthem
07-03-2007, 10:01 AM
If I understood correctly Baston can opt-out, and thus become unrestricted. I'm not sure of the deadline date for this... Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's my understanding as well. There's no reason for him to be an RFA... it's his option.

Robobtowncolt
07-03-2007, 11:23 AM
That's my understanding as well. There's no reason for him to be an RFA... it's his option.

Uh, unless we put a clause in his contract saying he can opt out after one year to become a restricted free agent. Like that Spurs center who just opted out.

RWB
07-03-2007, 11:33 AM
Baston said he would love to come back and play for Indiana!!!

The Mrs. was able to talk with Baston and family a few times during the season. Even with all the turmoil going on with the team they were pretty happy being in Indy. Apparently it's a good place to raise a family and for some guys that is an important aspect. Of course that doesn't mean he's not on the first train out tomorrow, but after hearing all the negatives about playing for the PAcers it was nice to hear something positive.

NuffSaid
07-03-2007, 01:28 PM
I had hoped that with the renewed emphasis on an uptempo offense that JOB would consider finding room in the rotation for Baston. I think he'd fit right in. But I also figured that because of his low salary the Pacers probably wouldn't pick up his option this year (meaning that as a RFA the Pacers wouldn't attempt to match another team's offer for him, and if he did opt'd out and became a FA they'd simply let him walk). Pity...

Baston was one of the few new faces from last year I would have liked to have seen more of on the hardwood. He was doing pretty good until that injury to his toe.