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FrenchConnection
06-10-2007, 11:44 AM
Well at least according to this article, this is the case:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070610/COL08/706100649/1051/SPORTS03

I really hope that the Pistons hire Isiah. I reallllllly do!

Unclebuck
06-10-2007, 12:03 PM
Another example of revisionist history

Young
06-10-2007, 12:13 PM
Yeah firing IT is why we have to rebuild 3 years later.

I guess he forgot that we won 61 games in RC's first year and could have done that the second year if it wasn't for the brawl.

IT is a great coach for teaching playes IMO and he is very creative on offense. Not much for strategy though IMO.

Funny thing is that the article didn't go into why IT would be good. It just said that he did good in Indiana and that he won 10 more games than he should have with New York.

All this is is a Piston fan wanting to have another piece of their history back. If they hire any former Piston as coach it should be Bill Laimbeer.

LG33
06-10-2007, 12:32 PM
Another example of revisionist history

You say it as if all revisionist history is bad...which, as a history major, I can safely say it is not. But in this case, yes, yes it's bad.

avoidingtheclowns
06-10-2007, 01:33 PM
this guy is an idiot we went into a major rebuilding effort after we drafted damon bailey and failed to capitalize on his basketball skill... we've been in a tailspin ever since, reaching the ECF several times and the finals once. this guy should do his homework

ChicagoJ
06-10-2007, 02:09 PM
As soon as we traded for Ron (which was Isiah's idea in the first place) we started the rebuilding process. We had an optical illusion leading the East at the ASG and unsustainable 61 win season while rebuilding. Hey, people like cotton candy too, but it isn't very filling.

Shade
06-10-2007, 03:54 PM
The Knicks have a better roster than the Pacers and finished below them in the standings.

grace
06-10-2007, 04:11 PM
The Knicks have a better roster than the Pacers and finished below them in the standings.

How much of that better line up was out do to injuries?

Hicks
06-10-2007, 04:15 PM
How much of that better line up was out do to injuries?

:marquisdaniels:

Kegboy
06-10-2007, 04:42 PM
:marquisdaniels:
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Kegboy
06-10-2007, 04:46 PM
As for the topic at hand, (and I can't believe I'm about to defend Drew Sharp), I didn't get the impression he was saying that firing Isiah caused rebuilding, he was just saying the situation is worse now than when he was here (which, for you sunshiners with your heads in the sand, is true.)

It's the same argument that's been made in defense of Jim O'Brien the last week and a half.

Shade
06-10-2007, 04:50 PM
As for the topic at hand, (and I can't believe I'm about to defend Drew Sharp), I didn't get the impression he was saying that firing Isiah caused rebuilding, he was just saying the situation is worse now than when he was here (which, for you sunshiners with your heads in the sand, is true.)

It's the same argument that's been made in defense of Jim O'Brien the last week and a half.

Yes, but it's also arguably worse than "the year we don't talk about." :shrug:

Kegboy
06-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Yes, but it's also arguably worse than "the year we don't talk about." :shrug:

Which means we should all give up and be Portland fans! :yay2:

Shade
06-10-2007, 05:16 PM
Which means we should all give up and be Portland fans! :yay2:

:blazers: You mean you're not already? :blazers:

Naptown_Seth
06-10-2007, 05:18 PM
As for the topic at hand, (and I can't believe I'm about to defend Drew Sharp), I didn't get the impression he was saying that firing Isiah caused rebuilding, he was just saying the situation is worse now than when he was here (which, for you sunshiners with your heads in the sand, is true.)

It's the same argument that's been made in defense of Jim O'Brien the last week and a half.
But it would have been worse sooner if he'd stayed. Rick's first season with Ron was a basic non-event. Ron's only AS game, only DPOY came with Rick. The year before with Isiah was his spring meltdown. Every other pre-brawl item with Ron other than the Rip exchange basically comes from Isiah's final season. Riley, HD camera, photo smashing, flagrant points getting into the 2 game suspension area...that was Isiah's "calming" leadership.

Rick came in and despite losing an AS center somehow managed to stave off this impending doom long enough to have a go at it.

And honestly the way things were going in year 2 I think they would have been good again. That cup at that moment was a perfect storm. 58 minutes of hostile, rough play prior to that hadn't been an issue.

Post-brawl was a different world.

BTW, disagree all you want but which team was involved in a major player fight that got way out of control this year, the Pacers or the Pistons? Let's talk about Isiah's influence on players, indications that they restrain themselves or that they cop the "Bad Boys" attitude to the extreme?

Kegboy
06-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Rick's first season with Ron was a basic non-event.

:kravitz: would disagree with that (the ECF "migraine".)

Kegboy
06-10-2007, 07:37 PM
:blazers: You mean you're not already? :blazers:

Well, it's not official yet. I'm not counting my chickens.

If they manage to get Oden and Conley, get rid of Randolph, and factor in my brother played ball with their GM, they'd be pretty damn attractive.

Hicks
06-10-2007, 07:58 PM
Ron had issues with Rick pre-brawl.

"Conduct detrimental to winning" December, 2003

Refusing to board the team plane during the Miami series May, 2004

ECF "migraines" to miss team practice May, 2004

Walking into Conseco and declaring his plans to retire November, 2004

His rap album BS that was associated with the previous entry

Getting into a fist-fight with Jermaine O'Neal November, 2004

And then there was sooooomething else he did that month. Can't quite remember what.

But he was fine after that. :innocent:

ChicagoJ
06-10-2007, 10:16 PM
Rick's first season with Ron was a basic non-event.

Only in a bizarre alt-reality in which Ron took his medicine and stopped doing all the behind-the-scenes bull**** that plagued his entire time in Chicago, his time with Isiah, and the entire post-brawl time he spend with Rick.

Yeah right.

More likely, you're just in denial that "lockerroom Ron" had more to do with why that team wasn't ever going to win a championship than "on-court Ron" had to do with by helping get them to 61 wins and advancing in the playoffs (and if I hear anything about the Miami series again - where SVG decided he'd ignore Ron and let him do whatever he wanted as long as he triple-teamed and swarmed JO I'll puke.)

PS - Hicks, you left out the technical foul in the very first preseason game where Rick pulled Ron from the game and Ron cursed at him, then sat in the bleachers in front of Larry Bird, and Bird had some harsh words for him. Sadly, that seems to be the last time Rick or Bird tried to take care of a player's on-court misbehavior. Something in that event left Rick neutered (probably because some of us know he asked Donnie to trade Ron in the fall of '03 and Donnie basically said, "you just coach the other 11, I'll handle him.") Brilliant.

And back then, I was excited about having Rick here because I thought he'd have the backbone to put the Ron-Artest shenanigans to a stop. Funny how that turned out... Funny is a funny word.

Y2J
06-10-2007, 10:38 PM
There's a thread over at RealGM asking which team has the worst future. I believe the Pacers are coming up more than anyone else.

Kegboy
06-10-2007, 10:46 PM
There's a thread over at RealGM asking which team has the worst future. I believe the Pacers are coming up more than anyone else.

:woot2:

avoidingtheclowns
06-10-2007, 10:48 PM
There's a thread over at RealGM asking which team has the worst future. I believe the Pacers are coming up more than anyone else.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
finally, we're going to win something

grace
06-11-2007, 01:55 AM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
finally, we're going to win something

I'm sure someone will swoop in at the last minute and take the victory from out desperate sweaty little hands. :melodrama

Robertmto
06-11-2007, 05:12 AM
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Miss You Buddy...

avoidingtheclowns
06-11-2007, 07:55 AM
I'm sure someone will swoop in at the last minute and take the victory from out desperate sweaty little hands. :melodrama

well lately it has been the pistons that seem to rip victory from us, but if thats the case, i could live with the pistons completely bottoming out. sorry kstat.