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06-06-2007, 12:26 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...coll=orl-magic (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-magic0607jun06,0,7661111.story?coll=orl-magic)

Orlando Magic offer job to Stan Van Gundy to replace Billy Donovan
Stan Van Gundy wants to coach in Orlando, but Heat President Pat Riley wants compensation.

Brian Schmitz | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted June 6, 2007

The Orlando Magic have offered Stan Van Gundy the job as head coach to replace Billy Donovan, but his team -- the Miami Heat -- could hold up the deal.

Sources close to the situation told the Sentinel that the Heat entered the Magic's bizarre coaching saga Tuesday, threatening to possibly ask for compensation from the Magic for Van Gundy.

Van Gundy has a year left on his contract as a consultant with the Heat.

Heat Coach and President Pat Riley could demand draft picks from the Magic for Van Gundy, who was replaced by Riley as Miami coach in December 2005.

The Magic want Van Gundy to replace Donovan, who asked out of his contract with the team last weekend after signing a five-year, $27.5 million deal on Friday in Orlando.

Legal representatives for the Magic and Donovan were in contact Tuesday, but no settlement had been announced by the close of the business day. The parties negotiated late into the evening.

ESPN.com reported that Donovan and the Magic agreed in principle on a settlement. However, a source with the Magic told the Sentinel the deal was not complete. The source described the settlement as "close" but still waiting for signatures and possible changes. The team expects to release a statement today.

The Magic were trying to get Donovan to agree to a five-year, non-compete clause during the negotiations, meaning he could not coach another NBA team for that span.

A resolution would allow Donovan, 42, to return to coaching the Florida Gators by accepting UF's long-proposed contract extension.

The Magic finally gave up hope of persuading Donovan to change his mind after speaking with him several times Monday.

The Magic are under pressure to clear the way for Van Gundy, who has another offer on the table from the Sacramento Kings. He has interviewed with the Kings twice, as recently as last weekend in Las Vegas.

Van Gundy wanted the Magic to resolve the Donovan situation before taking the job. He apparently called the league to find out what might happen if he signed with Orlando . . . and Donovan suddenly wanted to come back to the Magic before breaking his contract.

Van Gundy was the Magic's runner-up choice to Donovan. He prefers to coach the Magic and stay in Florida, but he doesn't want to miss the opportunity with the Kings. He set a tentative deadline for today to take one of the jobs.

Van Gundy, brother of former NBA coach Jeff Van Gundy, also was offered the head coaching position with the Indiana Pacers, but said he turned down the job.

If the Heat are seeking compensation for Van Gundy, the Magic this year have only three second-round picks heading into the June 28 draft.

They don't have a first-round pick this year, having traded it to the Detroit Pistons in February 2006. The Magic dealt center Kelvin Cato and the pick to the Pistons for point guard Carlos Arroyo and power forward Darko Milicic.

Riley is being petty here IMO, especially since odds are he forced SVG out in the first place.

Btw, if SVG takes the Sacto job, that just further proves that he didn't want to come to Indiana, not that he wouldn't move his family. Sacramento is a hell of a lot further from Florida than Indiana.

06-06-2007, 12:32 PM
I think it's a crock to expect compensation for a guy you sent packing like that. OK, ignoring that, it's still a crock to expect a draft pick over something like this. Shouldn't even be considered IMO.

06-06-2007, 12:44 PM
its a dirty business thats for sure...Riley is just showing how willing he is to get his hands dirty....

06-06-2007, 12:45 PM
Riley is ruthless, that's for sure. Its ridiculous and smart all in one.

06-06-2007, 01:14 PM
I'm not sure he'd have done that to Indy - you have two Fla teams competing for the same fan base - the more Riley can make Orlando look stupid, the better it is for the Heat.

Slick Pinkham
06-06-2007, 01:21 PM
according to the south florida sun-sentinel, Riley is trying to get one of the Magic's 3 second round draft picks this year.

Pretty ruthless.


Heat's Riley seeks draft pick for Van Gundy

By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted June 6 2007

Throughout Stan Van Gundy's 18-month tenure as a Heat consultant, coach Pat Riley has mentioned Van Gundy's "value" to the franchise.

Apparently, that value is tangible.

With Van Gundy on the verge of replacing Billy Donovan as the replacement for deposed Magic coach Brian Hill, Riley, in his dual role as Heat president, stepped in with a compensation claim, with Van Gundy still under contract to the Heat through June 2008.

When Riley said in April that Van Gundy had been granted clearance to pursue coaching positions, he did not mention compensation.

Generally, assistant coaches are free to pursue higher-level positions without compensation. However, when Van Gundy stepped aside for Riley in December 2005, he already was working under a coaching contract.

Riley generally has been more willing to allow his staff to depart for positions in the Western Conference, as was the case with former Heat assistant Jeff Bzdelik surfacing in Denver and former Heat assistant Marc Iavaroni taking a similar position in Phoenix. Bzdelik later became coach of the Nuggets, while Iavaroni last week was named coach of the Grizzlies.

There has been no mention of Sacramento being asked for compensation should Van Gundy emerge as coach of the Kings, a move that could be imminent if an agreement between the Magic and Heat cannot be reached. Van Gundy already has met twice with the Kings.

Compensation with the Magic would appear to be a relatively simple exercise, with the Heat lacking a second-round pick in the June 28 NBA Draft and the Magic holding the Nos. 39, 44 and 54 selections in the second round. The Heat worked out several second-round prospects Tuesday at AmericanAirlines Arena and is expected to do the same today.

Riley himself was part of the biggest compensation case in the Heat's 19 seasons, with a first-round pick and a $1 million payment sent to the Knicks to secure his services in September 1995. The Magic does not hold a first-round pick in the June draft, and, by league rule, is currently not able to relinquish its 2008 first-round pick.

However, it would be surprising if Riley would attempt to extract similar compensation, with Van Gundy having served for little more than two seasons as an NBA head coach. As a basis for comparison, when Jeff Van Gundy, Stan's brother, took over as Rockets coach in June 2003, Houston sent a late-second round pick to New York.

Van Gundy has not publicly expressed a preference for the Magic or Kings job, other than to convey his interest in both situations and satisfaction after interviews in Orlando and Sacramento.

Van Gundy took over from Riley as coach on Oct. 24, 2003. He left as Heat coach Dec. 12, 2005, citing family reasons, after recording a 112-73 record in two-plus seasons.

As for Donovan, ESPN.com reported that he and the Magic were finalizing an agreement for his departure. Terms would prevent Donovan from coaching in the NBA for five years, sources said.

Gee thanks, Pat, you are helping my career a whole lot after I took the fall for you and stepped aside to let you be the hero

06-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Sacramento . . . with Artest . . . well, there goes that curly hair.

06-06-2007, 01:23 PM
Sacramento . . . with Artest . . . well, there goes that curly hair.
Man...his head will be as shiny as Barkley's!

06-06-2007, 01:24 PM
There's really no competition for fans down here. There are only Heat fans because of Shaq and Wade and they want to have greatness by association. Once they start doing 1st and 2nd round exits again there will be a lot of empty seats. People here only go to the games because it's the place to be right now, not because they are fans. Even when the Heat had really good teams and great playoff series' against the Knicks, it was still easy to get tickets.

Riley is just trying to get something for nothing. Doesn't hurt to ask I suppose, but it's still a BS maneuver.

06-06-2007, 01:53 PM
Does this mean if the Sonics want to hire Carlisle, we can get a second round draft pick from the Sonics. (maybe we should either ask for Ray Allen or their first round pick)

06-06-2007, 02:03 PM
Riley is ruthless, that's for sure. Its ridiculous and smart all in one.


Stan, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the All Star Game, I don't want you near my house. When you see David Stern, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?

06-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Sacramento . . . with Artest . . . well, there goes that curly hair.
Jeff will give him pointers on how to manage it after going through the New York stuff he dealt with. :)

06-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Btw, if SVG takes the Sacto job, that just further proves that he didn't want to come to Indiana, not that he wouldn't move his family. Sacramento is a hell of a lot further from Florida than Indiana.

I took his comments to be more about weather than distance. The weather in Sactown will be far better than here. Maybe not Miami nice but certainly better than Indiana.

UB I dont want any picks for Rick I want them to take Murphyleavy since we got them for him.