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Unclebuck
06-06-2007, 08:14 AM
Writing the title of this thread was a little tricky.

There might not be anything else so many of us can agree on, except we are glad Dick Harter is back. I didn't know he scouted some games for the Pacers last season. I'm just so excited that we'll have a team defensive approach, but this past season was anything but


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070606/SPORTS04/706060481/1247/SPORTS&template=printart

Harter ready to go back to work with Pacers
By Mark Montieth
mark.montieth@indystar.com
June 6, 2007


Two years. Dick Harter still finds it difficult to believe it has been that long since he had a coaching job.

He had drawn a paycheck for coaching basketball for 50 winters, from the time he got his first job at Germantown (Pa.) Academy in 1955 until he was shooed out the door in 2005 with the rest of Jim O'Brien's staff after one winning season with the Philadelphia 76ers.

Now, assuming the details of a contract can be agreed upon, Harter will return to Indianapolis to help work with a defense in need of improvement. Reached by telephone at his home in Hilton Head, S.C., the 76-year-old coaching purist couldn't wait to get started again.

"I'm so excited about going to see Butler games again," he said.
Harter will know the way to Hinkle Fieldhouse. He was an assistant to Jack Ramsay when he coached the Pacers from 1986-88, and an assistant to Larry Bird when he coached them from 1997-2000. He later assisted O'Brien in Boston and Philadelphia.

He's ready. All those golf lessons weren't helping his game much, and watching games on television was no substitute for sitting on a bench. He got a foot back in the game last season when he scouted 38 NBA games for the Pacers and wrote reports on various players.

"That made it somewhat livable, but you miss being on the bench and you miss being with a team," he said.

Harter's role with O'Brien won't be the same as with Bird, under whom he had sole charge of the defense. O'Brien, veteran of 30 seasons of coaching, takes a more hands-on approach, but he still considers Harter a mentor and sounding board.

"Dick has a tremendous way of keeping you focused on what you're trying to accomplish defensively," O'Brien said.

"But to limit his impact just to that I don't think is doing him justice. He has great relationships with the players and has a way of keeping them zeroed in on what we're trying to accomplish."

O'Brien and Harter trace their basketball roots to Philadelphia, and share similar philosophies about style of play and work ethic. Both advocate a strict, aggressive man-to-man defense and consider that the foundation of winning.

"We don't argue on what you should do," Harter said. "You've got to be disciplined and you've got to be tough."

Bird expects Harter to bring those elements, along with stability, to a defense that has operated under three assistants in the past three seasons: Chuck Person, Kevin O'Neill and Mike Brown.

"I think we can be a lot better," said Bird, who emphasized he has not yet reached an agreement with Harter. "(Harter's) defense is predicated on the fact it's a team defense. If you get beat at the point guard position, you have help. It's not a confusing defense, but all the parts have to be moving at the same time."

Harter's defense set franchise lows in points allowed (89.9), field goal percentage allowed (43.2) and 3-point percentage allowed (31.6) in the 1997-98 season.

"Those guys tried like (heck)," Harter recalled. "They might not have had quick feet, but they had good heads and good hearts."

The defensive 3-point percentage record still stands, a testament to Harter's emphasis on challenging perimeter shots. The points-allowed record was broken and the field goal percentage was tied by a more athletic 2003-04 team, led by Defensive Player of the Year Ron Artest.

Pacers' opponents averaged 98 points per game last season while shooting .457 from the field and .372 from the 3-point line.

A return to basics would be welcomed.



Mr. Lockdown

The Pacers' Dick Harter-led defense in 1997-98 set team records in three categories. Compare that with last year's numbers:

1997-98 Stat 2006-07
89.9 Points allowed 98
43.2 FG % allowed 45.7
31.6 3-pt. FG % allowed 37.2

RWB
06-06-2007, 08:22 AM
I like the Jack Ramsey connection that has taken place also. Good root system for this coaching staff.

Kegboy
06-06-2007, 08:53 AM
Shouldn't this thread be in DSP? I'm afraid what Skaut will post when he sees it. :shudder:

FlavaDave
06-06-2007, 09:28 AM
Yeah, I read the title and I resisted posting this for a long time, but I keep reading it and I can resist no longer:

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

idioteque
06-06-2007, 11:10 AM
Harter is one of the best defensive minds of the game, no question about it. As UB says that does seem to be the one thing that Pacer fans tend to agree on. He was, after all, on LB's coaching staff the year we made it to the finals.

The one thing I question is the foresight possessed by his parents when they named him. :D

Shade
06-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Speak for yourself, UB. :eek: :-p

Robobtowncolt
06-06-2007, 12:14 PM
.............................I'm sorry, but you can't do this.

JayRedd
06-06-2007, 12:28 PM
He always left me satisfied.

Shade
06-06-2007, 12:32 PM
Cleveland would probably love to have Dick Harter, since their shot **** isn't working properly.

Roy Munson
06-06-2007, 01:36 PM
It's a situation where you are happy when he's on YOUR team, but not necessarily when he's coaching the other team. In other words....

<b>I love it when it's MY Dick Harter. Not so much when it's YOUR Dick Harter</b>

FlavaDave
06-06-2007, 01:54 PM
It's a situation where you are happy when he's on YOUR team, but not necessarily when he's coaching the other team. In other words....

I love it when it's MY Dick Harter. Not so much when it's YOUR Dick Harter



Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Los Angeles
06-06-2007, 02:19 PM
I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.

FlavaDave
06-06-2007, 02:38 PM
I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.



Where he's going, if he doesn't yet he'd better learn.

ABADays
06-06-2007, 03:18 PM
I'm sorry - I just can't answer this one with a straight face.

Kraft
06-06-2007, 03:30 PM
Thirteen replies. Only one without reference to Mr. Harter's unfortunate name. :buddies: We're awesome.

Slick Pinkham
06-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Maybe Eli Lilly can team up with Mr. Harter in promos for Cialis.

SoupIsGood
06-06-2007, 05:45 PM
Dick Harter excites me for sure. How come he's never been given a head coaching job? Is he simply not interested? I remember TNT mentioned this a few years back but I don't remember what was said. Sager's suit probably blinded me.

Sollozzo
06-06-2007, 06:21 PM
Dick Harter excites me for sure. How come he's never been given a head coaching job? Is he simply not interested? I remember TNT mentioned this a few years back but I don't remember what was said. Sager's suit probably blinded me.


Harter was head coach of the Hornets from 88-90.

JayRedd
06-06-2007, 06:23 PM
Dick Harter excites me for sure.

Hmmm...


THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

rexnom
06-06-2007, 06:44 PM
I dunno, it seems to me like Dick Harter has never been ready for a head job in coaching, which is curious because you think someone like Dick Harter would be great as any level of coach.

Kegboy
06-06-2007, 07:49 PM
Okay, back on subject. Here's my question. If he wasn't retired, why the ****ing hell didn't we hire him to replace Kevin O'Neill? Seriously?!!! Obviously he and Rick got along, since I believe Rick's the one who got Larry to hire the both of them after Portland. Why do you hire this guy to be a scout instead of putting him on the bench where he belongs? Did Larry **** up the scouting department so bad he needed Dick to pinch hit for him? :mad:

Bball
06-06-2007, 08:00 PM
Okay, back on subject. Here's my question. If he wasn't retired, why the ****ing hell didn't we hire him to replace Kevin O'Neill? Seriously?!!! Obviously he and Rick got along, since I believe Rick's the one who got Larry to hire the both of them after Portland. Why do you hire this guy to be a scout instead of putting him on the bench where he belongs? Did Larry **** up the scouting department so bad he needed Dick to pinch hit for him? :mad:

Maybe the Simons and/or Walsh wanted to be loyal to Chuck and the role they carved out for him to move up the coaching ladder left no spot for Dick Harter?

I cannot bring myself to believe Bird had any call on Chuck Person being hired as the defensive coach. I can believe Walsh, the Simons, or both would tho.

-Bball

SoupIsGood
06-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Hmmm...

Between this and the I Like Boobie thread, I'm just not sure what to say anymore... :fight:

Evan_The_Dude
06-06-2007, 09:40 PM
I think I'm about to die laughing.

BlueNGold
06-06-2007, 09:58 PM
I'm sure Stephen Jackson loves Dick Harter.
The guy in your avatar...

ChicagoJ
06-06-2007, 10:45 PM
The defensive 3-point percentage record still stands, a testament to Harter's emphasis on challenging perimeter shots. The points-allowed record was broken and the field goal percentage was tied by a more athletic 2003-04 team, led by Defensive Player of the Year Ron Artest.

Wow. The 97-98 team was just a fraction worse than the 03-04 team defensively and better than the Larry Brown coached teams.

That was the year Mullin started at SF.

A team with Jackson, Miller, Mullin and Smits playing major minutes is the second best defensive team in franchise (NBA) history.

That tells you just how much good defense is predicated on strategy, coaching, and teamwork and not just 1-on-1 defensive skill and athleticism.

I love Dick Harter. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

317Kim
06-06-2007, 10:50 PM
:-o What have I just gotten myself into?

I'm excited about having "you know who" here.

Arcadian
06-06-2007, 10:59 PM
I cannot bring myself to believe Bird had any call on Chuck Person being hired as the defensive coach. I can believe Walsh, the Simons, or both would tho.

-Bball

All things bad Walsh; all things good Bird?

Seriously what aside from your blinding hate for Walsh gives you any idea who thought hiring Person was a good idea?

For the record I like Dick Harter in a healthy sense. Not that there is an unhealthy sense. There's some coaches who just don't want to be head coach and there isn't anything wrong with that either.

Hicks
06-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Wow. The 97-98 team was just a fraction worse than the 03-04 team defensively and better than the Larry Brown coached teams.

That was the year Mullin started at SF.

A team with Jackson, Miller, Mullin and Smits playing major minutes is the second best defensive team in franchise (NBA) history.

That tells you just how much good defense is predicated on strategy, coaching, and teamwork and not just 1-on-1 defensive skill and athleticism.

I love Dick Harter. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You said it. I'm excited about our defense for next season.

MagicRat
06-06-2007, 11:10 PM
There's some coaches who just don't want to be head coach and there isn't anything wrong with that either.

He was a college head coach for 18 years, including stops at the University of Pennsylvania, Oregon and Penn State........

ChicagoJ
06-06-2007, 11:14 PM
In Bball's defense, Donnie originally hired Chuck for the front office before Bird was hired, and then they all agreed to let Chuck get some bench experience.

As long as Chuck has a role with the Pacers I'm sure Donnie is involved. Something tells me that there still isn't any love lost between Chuck and Larry, even if they did play nice with each other on the special about the 1991 playoffs a while back.

I'm not 100% sure of the "Donnie = Evil, Bird = Good" viewpoint. But I do know that Chuck = Good Pacer and Larry Bird = Evil Celtic.

avoidingtheclowns
06-06-2007, 11:24 PM
All things bad Walsh; all things good Bird?

Seriously what aside from your blinding hate for Walsh gives you any idea who thought hiring Person was a good idea?

For the record I like Dick Harter in a healthy sense. Not that there is an unhealthy sense. There's some coaches who just don't want to be head coach and there isn't anything wrong with that either.

i think this has to do with the type of coaches bird likes. he likes aggressive coaches that know what they'e talking about. like obrien/harter. person as a shooting coach would make sense, person as a defensive coach does not. so in that sense it certainly doesn't seem like it was bird's idea. he would have pulled harter in, so too would have carlisle (unless he had a problem with dick). i just think given bird's moves since 'taking over' person doesn't fit bird's idea of what a defensive coach should be.

Shade
06-06-2007, 11:28 PM
Wow. The 97-98 team was just a fraction worse than the 03-04 team defensively and better than the Larry Brown coached teams.

That was the year Mullin started at SF.

A team with Jackson, Miller, Mullin and Smits playing major minutes is the second best defensive team in franchise (NBA) history.

That tells you just how much good defense is predicated on strategy, coaching, and teamwork and not just 1-on-1 defensive skill and athleticism.

I love Dick Harter. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Agreed. The '98 team's defense is very, very underrated. That team lost because they couldn't rebound a damn basketball when it counted.

ChicagoJ
06-06-2007, 11:39 PM
Very, very true. Sadly, not only did Dale and Tony not rebound well, but neither of them played any defense against Kukoc.

Derrick McKey should've played the fourth quarter of Game 7 instead of either Dale or Tony.

:zip:

Bball
06-07-2007, 12:11 AM
Seriously what aside from your blinding hate for Walsh gives you any idea who thought hiring Person was a good idea?



Common sense and history.

-Bball

Eindar
06-07-2007, 12:15 AM
Those percentages are shocking. I knew we were decent defensively with absolutely terrible 1-on-1 defenders, but considering how well those percentages have stood up, especially against the Carlisle-led team with Foster-O'Neal-Artest, that's awesome. Oh, also, when tallying up out bad defenders, don't forget to include Jalen Rose and Mark Jackson.

I'm officially enthused about the prospect of getting Dick Harter.

Arcadian
06-07-2007, 12:32 AM
Common sense and history.

-Bball

So you admit you have a blinding hate for Walsh. ;)

Will Galen
06-07-2007, 02:08 AM
So you admit you have a blinding hate for Walsh. ;)

Bball was a great poster until he started running his dislike of management into the ground. Now he takes every opportunity he can to knock them.

I've knocked management myself, and I don't usually mind people knocking them. However, he does it with religious like fervor. If you don't believe me, click on his name and then click on 'find all posts by Bball.'

ToTheAtom
06-07-2007, 02:36 AM
Seriously, guys.. who doesn't love Dick?

http://www.tigeru.com/albums/album12/mango.jpg

Bball
06-07-2007, 03:14 AM
Bball was a great poster until he started running his dislike of management into the ground. Now he takes every opportunity he can to knock them.

I've knocked management myself, and I don't usually mind people knocking them. However, he does it with religious like fervor.

That's because they deserve it. Hearing that Dick Harter was doing some scouting for the Pacers and not retired just makes management look more incompetent.... altho that's hard to imagine how they could look more incompetent.

-Bball

Will Galen
06-07-2007, 07:48 AM
That's because they deserve it. Hearing that Dick Harter was doing some scouting for the Pacers and not retired just makes management look more incompetent.... altho that's hard to imagine how they could look more incompetent.

-Bball

Okay Bball, lets say they do. Is that any reason to punish us, your readers? Let me assure you we know your opinion.

It's like having your favorite meal served to you every other meal.

FlavaDave
06-07-2007, 09:02 AM
That's because they deserve it. Hearing that Dick Harter was doing some scouting for the Pacers and not retired just makes management look more incompetent.... altho that's hard to imagine how they could look more incompetent.

-Bball



What if Dick wanted a break from coaching so much and decided to chillax as a scout for awhile? Is it possible that the Pacers hired him as a scout to keep Dick in the organization so that, when he decided to get back into coaching, he would stay with the Pacers? Is it possible that *gasp* there is an innocent explanation for all of this and TPTB aren't total, incompetent boobs???

Probably not. I'm sure that Dick badly wanted to return to coaching but, even thought Dick is a defensive genius, no other team offered him a job. So he just sulked his way though years of scouting, hoping and praying that the Pacers would rediscover him and rescue him from clipboard hell.

Yeah, that's what happened.

Naptown_Seth
06-07-2007, 10:21 AM
Speak for yourself, UB. :eek: :-p
I don't know, he may be onto something when you see all those Viagra and Cialis commercials.

:rimshot:



PS - yes, I think most fans at least think he is a great coach and are thrilled to have him return.

Naptown_Seth
06-07-2007, 10:27 AM
BTW, the 2000 Finals team led the NBA in 3P% and was 2nd in 3P% defense (by .001). Of course the #1 3P% defense that year - the Lake Show. :(

Pacers in 2000
39.2% 3P FOR
32.7% 3P AGAINST

Again, that's a TEAM AVERAGE of 39% from 3. That's roughly equal to 58% shooting from 2. In other words, sick. And while other teams hit that %, keep in mind that the 2000 Pacers made the MOST threes in the NBA, so unlike the Spurs of the following year they weren't a team picking their spot off of a superstar post player (or 2). It's Kings 03-04 (and Peja) good.

Hicks
06-07-2007, 11:01 AM
What if Dick wanted a break from coaching so much and decided to chillax as a scout for awhile? Is it possible that the Pacers hired him as a scout to keep Dick in the organization so that, when he decided to get back into coaching, he would stay with the Pacers? Is it possible that *gasp* there is an innocent explanation for all of this and TPTB aren't total, incompetent boobs???

Probably not. I'm sure that Dick badly wanted to return to coaching but, even thought Dick is a defensive genius, no other team offered him a job. So he just sulked his way though years of scouting, hoping and praying that the Pacers would rediscover him and rescue him from clipboard hell.

Yeah, that's what happened.

Thank you. The conspiracy levels are ridiculous.

Kegboy
06-07-2007, 04:42 PM
Derrick McKey should've played the fourth quarter of Game 7 instead of either Dale or Tony.

:zip:

You're lucky you're an admin, or Peck would have banned you for that.

I'll probably get banned for quoting it. :wave:

Gyron
06-07-2007, 05:41 PM
If two admins ban each other at the same time, will the server crash again?

CableKC
06-07-2007, 05:43 PM
I'm glad that we actually got a defensive coach that can actually teach some defense.

Now if we can get a strength and conditioning coach that can actually "strenghten and condition" our players....we would be set.

:rimshot:

Evan_The_Dude
06-07-2007, 08:14 PM
I'm glad that we actually got a defensive coach that can actually teach some defense.

Now if we can get a strength and conditioning coach that can actually "strenghten and condition" our players....we would be set.

:rimshot:

We could bring back Ron Artest for that. I hear he's good on the stairmaster.

ChicagoJ
06-07-2007, 09:43 PM
That's because they deserve it.

Bingo.

Bball's rants about management don't get as tiring as the management missteps themselves.

SamBear
10-06-2007, 12:32 PM
:laugh: What a thread!

pianoman
10-07-2007, 09:03 AM
Home Court gift shop should make a Dick Harter bobblehead!!

Naptown_Seth
10-07-2007, 07:51 PM
Home Court gift shop should make a Dick Harter bobblehead!!
Aren't the cheerleaders in charge of making a Dick Harter.....







err...bobblehead. ;)

Anthem
10-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Aren't the cheerleaders in charge of making a Dick Harter.....
Our cheerleaders?


err...bobblehead. ;)
Leave Luther out of this.