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OakMoses
06-01-2007, 03:24 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2890194&name=ford_chad

Now that Kobe has calmed down, the biggest rumor here is that the Lakers will strike quick to add a big name to the roster, and just about everyone believes that it will be Jermaine O'Neal.

What will the Pacers want in return? Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and the No. 19 pick.

They'll be willing to throw in another player (take your pick of Jamaal Tinsley, Troy Murphy or Marquis Daniels) for Kwame Brown's expiring contract.

That's a heavy price for O'Neal, but if the Lakers are really going to appease Kobe, this might be the price they have to pay.

Houston found a way to beat the new rules prohibiting teams from conducting prospect workouts until after the predraft camp.

The Rockets are staying in Orlando over the weekend -- along with seven other teams, including the Celtics, Timberwolves, Kings, Mavs and Pacers -- to conduct three huge workouts on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

The participants include nine players not at the predraft camp: Jason Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18889), Sean Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18917), Ante Tomic (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18884), DeVon Hardin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18960), Morris Almond (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18999), Wilson Chandler (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=19098), Arron Afflalo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18954), Kyrylo Fesenko (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=19003) and Marcus Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18941).

The NBA couldn't get any of those guys to compete in the camp, but the Rockets managed to get them playing immediately afterward in the same city.

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Nothing major but it is interesting to note that the Pacers are working out late first round prospects.

RWB
06-01-2007, 03:35 PM
Nothing major but it is interesting to note that the Pacers are working out late first round prospects.

Who can possibly fall into the 2nd round also. Might the Ps being aiming high asking for Od/By and #19, but willing to take the same but switch out the pick to a 2nd rounder?

Young
06-01-2007, 03:44 PM
Who can possibly fall into the 2nd round also. Might the Ps being aiming high asking for Od/By and #19, but willing to take the same but switch out the pick to a 2nd rounder?

It could happen.

The Lakers hold the 40th and 48th picks.

Shade
06-01-2007, 03:45 PM
Bynum, Odom, and the #19 at a must. I would also love to throw in Murphy for Kwame if that happens.

Dunno about throwing in Quis, though. What have TPTB got against having a backcourt that doesn't completely blow?

FrenchConnection
06-01-2007, 03:48 PM
Bynum, Odom, and the #19 at a must. I would also love to throw in Murphy for Kwame if that happens.

Dunno about throwing in Quis, though. What have TPTB got against having a backcourt that doesn't completely blow?

I don't think that they would move Quis. All the writers are throwing names against a wall to see what sticks.

ABADays
06-01-2007, 03:50 PM
Bynum, Odom, and the #19 at a must. I would also love to throw in Murphy for Kwame if that happens.

Dunno about throwing in Quis, though. What have TPTB got against having a backcourt that doesn't completely blow?

TPTB? This isn't their speculation - it's Ford's.

Shade
06-01-2007, 03:57 PM
TPTB? This isn't their speculation - it's Ford's.

I'm posting under the assumption that Ford is echoing TPTB's trade demands.

Evan_The_Dude
06-01-2007, 03:57 PM
So you mean for the second year in a row we might be choosing between a Sean Williams and a Marcus Williams?

Smashed_Potato
06-01-2007, 04:00 PM
I rather have the Lakers take on Murphy's or Dunleavys contract then settle for Tinsleys. there is no way the Pacers do not include a bad contract which takes Quis out of the discussion.

FlavaDave
06-01-2007, 04:03 PM
I'm posting under the assumption that Ford is echoing TPTB's trade demands.


I bet the Daniels part is misdirection to some other team (not the Lakers) who called the Pacers about Daniels. Donnie wants them to think that Marquis is available for another deal, possibly to set up a bait-and switch.

Moses
06-01-2007, 04:04 PM
I rather have the Lakers take on Murphy's or Dunleavys contract then settle for Tinsleys. there is no way the Pacers do not include a bad contract which takes Quis out of the discussion.
Agreed.

Trading JO and Murphy for Odom, Bynum, Kwame, and the 19th pick would be a complete steal. I really hope we get a deal done with the Lakers because this will easily be the best deal we could possibly get for Jermaine...and we could dump Murphy's huge contract in the process.

bread
06-01-2007, 04:10 PM
I rather have the Lakers take on Murphy's or Dunleavys contract then settle for Tinsleys. there is no way the Pacers do not include a bad contract which takes Quis out of the discussion.

Agreed. And I would prefer Murphy's out of those two although I could live with Dun going if it's a deal breaker. I'm in the camp with those who are ok with keeping Tins for another year because of all the good PGs coming out next year.

Karmakillaz
06-01-2007, 04:13 PM
I dont mind that deal, if we do not get Farmar back then I would just assume keep Tinsley and see what he does with a new offense.

Bynum - Foster
Odom - Ike
Granger - Williams
Dun - Marshal
Tinsley - Quis


add Kwame to the front line mix and that doesnt sound that bad to me

Smashed_Potato
06-01-2007, 04:15 PM
Either one would be good for me. Dunleavy seems to make the most sense because he seems to be a good fit for the triangle.

Anthem
06-01-2007, 04:35 PM
If we're moving Jermaine, I like the idea of including Trophy.

Oneal07
06-01-2007, 04:41 PM
Bynum, Odom, and the #19 at a must. I would also love to throw in Murphy for Kwame if that happens.

Dunno about throwing in Quis, though. What have TPTB got against having a backcourt that doesn't completely blow?


Genius :)

Y2J
06-01-2007, 04:41 PM
Either one would be good for me. Dunleavy seems to make the most sense because he seems to be a good fit for the triangle.

Dunleavy could work, but he'd probably be redundant with the very similar but slightly better and much cheaper Luke Walton already there. I'd think they'd have more interest in Marquis Daniels and his solid ball handling, slashing, and defense.

pwee31
06-01-2007, 04:47 PM
Give them Murph and DH. If we get Odom, Bynum, and Kwame (for his expiring) the Lakers will need some depth on that frontline.
That would leave them with JO, Turiaf and Mihm. I guess Cook has the height, but I don't see him as a frontline player

Smashed_Potato
06-01-2007, 04:50 PM
Dunleavy could work, but he'd probably be redundant with the very similar but slightly better and much cheaper Luke Walton already there. I'd think they'd have more interest in Marquis Daniels and his solid ball handling, slashing, and defense.

Problem is the Pacers are gonna have a hard time letting the Lakers take Quis while they have there 3 giant contracts in Tinsley/Dunleavy/Murphy one of them have to go in a LAL-Pacers trade.

Kegboy
06-01-2007, 05:11 PM
So you mean for the second year in a row we might be choosing between a Sean Williams and a Marcus Williams?

:laugh:

Of course, we'll pick this Marcus Williams that I don't like.

avoidingtheclowns
06-01-2007, 06:21 PM
Dunleavy could work, but he'd probably be redundant with the very similar but slightly better and much cheaper Luke Walton already there. I'd think they'd have more interest in Marquis Daniels and his solid ball handling, slashing, and defense.


yeah thats the real problem is that they have a cheaper, better 3pt shooting SF in walton.

i hope that Quis isn't part of the deal. he was injured for the last part of the season sure, but i'm not sure why so many people feel he should be shipped out.

i think sending murphy makes the most sense, because we'd be getting potentially 3 frontline players in bynum, brown and odom. it'd be between giving up jeff or murphy. and i think you have to send murphy because of the contract. i'd be willing to try him out in o'brien's system but its such a monster contract that if someone is willing to take him you've got to do it. foster because his contract will be exp soon will have more trade value than murphy (unless he starts putting up 15-10 #s) will for a few years.

so you'd have:

greene
quis / dunleavy / #19 (we'll say r. fernandez per draftexpress)
granger / williams
odom / diogu
brown / bynum / foster / harrison

under contract. thats a REALLY thin backcourt but you take away murphy tinsley and JO and the pacers base is $28mil. odom, bynum, brown and #19 (using Douby's #s from last draft) is about $26mil. so total would be $54mil. before the trade we were looking at about $64mil. so we have essentially $10mil to play with to fill up the remaining 3 spots.

you could possibly sign Mo Williams or Atkins to be the starting PG. definitely have the flexibility to re-sign keith and maceo (if they want to stay). and there are also trades...

i'd be okay financially speaking with the trade indicated at the top of the thread. because look at the next couple of years...

07-08 thru 10-11

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the top # is after the trade, the red is keeping the lineup as-is. so the year we'd need to re-sign bynum, granger, quis and diogu (if we so choose) we'd have about 34mil more space than we had before.

Unclebuck
06-01-2007, 06:28 PM
Henry Wolford of WTHR channel 13 reported tonight that JO has bought a home in the LA area and that Odom is expecting to be traded here

OakMoses
06-01-2007, 06:37 PM
The participants include nine players not at the predraft camp: Jason Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18889), Sean Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18917), Ante Tomic (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18884), DeVon Hardin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18960), Morris Almond (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18999), Wilson Chandler (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=19098), Arron Afflalo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18954), Kyrylo Fesenko (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=19003) and Marcus Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2007&playerId=18941).



The guy on this list that interests me most is Morris Almond. I don't know too much about him, but I've read in multiple sources that he may be the best pure shooter in this draft. I think he's got decent size for a 2-guard as well. He's even been compared to a small college version of Allan Houston. He sounds like the type of guy that the Pacers could really use, especially with JOb in town.

3rdStrike
06-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Henry Wolford of WTHR channel 13 reported tonight that JO has bought a home in the LA area and that Odom is expecting to be traded here


Really? As in, JO just bought the home? Or are they just saying that he happens to have a home in the LA area...

I desperately want this deal to get done, and sooner rather than later.

ABADays
06-01-2007, 06:59 PM
I'm posting under the assumption that Ford is echoing TPTB's trade demands.

Oh I see - one of those a55 things ;)

speakout4
06-01-2007, 07:01 PM
Really? As in, JO just bought the home? Or are they just saying that he happens to have a home in the LA area...

I desperately want this deal to get done, and sooner rather than later.

Right. Look how long the Harrington deal took and it seems to me that the deal took longer than the amount of time he was a Pacer.

Hicks
06-01-2007, 07:05 PM
I dont mind that deal, if we do not get Farmar back then I would just assume keep Tinsley and see what he does with a new offense.

Yup. Even I (someone very tired of Jamaal) am pretty damn curious to see how he does with O'Brien.

Trader Joe
06-01-2007, 07:07 PM
Yup. Even I (someone very tired of Jamaal) am pretty damn curious to see how he does with O'Brien.

O'Beezy was pretty fond of Jamaal in Boston. I think Jamaal could really flourish under Jim as long as he isn't forced to shoot a ton of 3s.

CableKC
06-01-2007, 07:29 PM
Right. Look how long the Harrington deal took and it seems to me that the deal took longer than the amount of time he was a Pacer.
I don't think that we will know until draft day.....but given Kobe's trade demands.....I can't see this dragging on. By Draft day...I think that its gonna be a done deal or not.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
06-01-2007, 07:47 PM
Bynum - Foster
Odom - Ike
Granger - Williams
Dun - Marshal
Tinsley - QuisIs anyone else really scared of potentially having that lineup? And as for moving Quis and keeping Tins, see my avatar. Quis is our only decent backcourt player left, he cant go. And the thought of JOB giving Tinsley free reign to do whatever he wants scares the crap out of me. Do you guys really want to watch non-stop Jamaalstar having retarded playground battles with the opposing team's pg?? He has to go this summer.

This is why I dont want this trade to go down with LA. It does absolutely nothing to help our terrible backcourt, imo the worse backcourt out of all 29 teams. I dont think any trades should be considered that dont immediately help in this area.