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swass
05-10-2007, 08:53 PM
So....I have been reading PD for over a year on a nightly basis in an almost obessive way and finally joined today.

I'll start by giving you a background on myself. I grew up in Atlanta, GA, and my Dad moved to Indy in the early 90s. I went to my first Pacer during the 1991-92 season. My bought season tix that year and every year since.

I remember going to MSA when there were curtains that were closed and the top third of MSA was empty behind them. My Dad's seats were in row 8 or 9 and ticket prices were a shade over 20 bucks a seat.

I've been through all the ups and downs with the Pacers for more than 15 years. I was there when Jordan came back and wore #45. I had my heart broken many of times by the Pacers but some of my best memories were watching the Pacer vs Knicks series. My best friend, I met at IU, is from Jersey and we spent many of summers drinking and betting cases of Keystone Light on each game. It always worked out great because we knew each year it would probably go 7 games and basically one of us would buy another a case. I went to the Finals in 2000, one of the craziest moments ever.

When I graduated college I took a job that put me in the armpit of Toledo, Ohio. However, I spent the money to get the NBA package so I could watch the Pacers.

Finally, I got a job in Indy. I was going to a lot of games with my Dad but many of the games were going to the Dad's new wife. So, after one year in Indy, I "maned up" and bought tickets. I actually bought my half season package on the day of the fight. I remember I gave my credit card number around 4pm that afternoon and then was watching the game that night.

I don't regret that season. That team played their heart out. I renewed for 2005-06. This past year I didn't have tickets because I got married and the wife quit her job at Lilly to go back and get her PhD. I wasn't sure if financially tickets would be a good idea so I played it safe.

Which leads me to my question. Should I get tickets this upcoming year? I am starting a new job that gives me about a 40% raise. I live a very comfortable life right now and could easily afford the whole season or part of a season.

I hate to say it...but right now I don't want to get tickets. My wife suggested I should buy them today.

Here's what would make me buy tickets....

1. Tinsley is gone. He is a poison. He has a bad attitude. He could poison Granger/Williams with his lazy, sloppy play.

2. If we don't somehow get a point in a trade or somehow get a draft pick....which won't happen....they should start Armstrong. This team played very well with Red Bull running up and down the court. Start him, play him 6 min/quarter or 24 a game...

3. Play hard every night. I think of the post brawl team with 6-7 players..they worked hard.

4. Show Ike some minutes. I don't want him to sit on the bench and then have him show up somewhere else...I.E. Eric Dampier

5. Be creative with lineups....how about Ike, DG, Williams, Dunleavy, and Murphy on the court at once. DG could run a point forward ala Scottie Pippen. Try it, why not play your 5 best players.
At the very least I would love to see Murphy, Ike, DG, Williams, and a point. Imagine that with Connley. Not going to win 45 games but could be interesting in giving all those guys a chance.

So, I would like to hear everyone's thoughts...do I spend a few grand on tickets??? Or I could buy a plasma for my "man room" that I claimed in the basement.

indyman37
05-10-2007, 08:59 PM
5. Be creative with lineups....how about Ike, DG, Williams, Dunleavy, and Murphy on the court at once. DG could run a point forward ala Scottie Pippen.
First off, I would say buy the tickets. But then again I say that mainly because I have only been to 1 game.

I agreed with most of your points except for a part of this one. If we were to use a lineup with these guys...I would rather have Dunleavy run the point.

OnlyPacersLeft
05-10-2007, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't...2 expensive...buy a big screen or something!

indyman37
05-10-2007, 09:15 PM
wait...how much do the tickets cost?

Kegboy
05-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Hmm, well if you really have been reading obsessively, you should know what I'm going to say. But then, if you've only been reading a year, you missed the whole "Reasons why..." thing.

Seriously, is there a reason why you need to buy them now? I'd wait and see if you like the coach that's hired, then wait until mid-July at least, to see if we get involved in the draft, and if we pull any trades around when free agency begins, which is the high time for deals. That way you have a better idea of if you'll like the product on the floor. My understanding is tickets are really cheap this year, and they're not going to raise them, even though if we somehow won the lottery I'm sure they'd want to.

swass
05-10-2007, 09:48 PM
To answer some of the questions...

I agree, Dunleavy would do a better job at point forward.

As for buying a big screen...I've already got one.

As for prices, I used to buy club level but those got crazy expensive. I move to section 19, row 31. Those seats were $45....this year I believe they reduced them to $25.

So, half season = 25 x 2 seats x 20 games...that's only 1 grand....

As for why now, I'm not sure. Sometimes wierd things happen. What happens if we pull the miracle of the century and somehow hit the lottery?

It would be so fitting....Oden picks Ohio St over IU and somehow he gets to play in his home town??? I know odds are only 1.9% but it could happen.

Also, I am very particular about my seats, I only like certain sections...19 is my favorite, my dad has section 19 row 11.....I of course have to sit up higher in the high 20s but it's a great 45 degree angle that allows you to see plays develop, the passing lanes, back screens set ups...etc

ChicagoJ
05-10-2007, 10:04 PM
A). I liked section 19 for the one game I actually attended

B). After 15 seasons, including the last seven as a resident in Chicago, I finally decided to not renew tickers this spring. Two factors: (1) utter disgust with team management over the past four seasons, and (2) since Jay's_daughter@Section19 is school-aged, and Indiana picked the wrong time zone (like you should be on Eastern time :laugh:) I can't get to Friday night games in time and Sunday night games are too late.

However (1) I haven't had to tell the Pacers yet that I'm cancelling so they probably think I'm still on the list of ticket holders, and (2) if they actually hire JVG (:drool:) I'll likely renew.

Just my thoughts, its your money but I've always thought that a grand for good half-season tickets was a no-brainer - assuming I could actually use them.

Unclebuck
05-11-2007, 01:15 PM
swass, in August the Pacers will be conducting their select a seat event. I went last season and you get to walk around the fieldhouse and pick the exact seat you want.

RWB
05-11-2007, 01:54 PM
swass, in August the Pacers will be conducting their select a seat event. I went last season and you get to walk around the fieldhouse and pick the exact seat you want.

But if you renew now you'll get that nifty poster of the guys in their suits. :devil:

Unclebuck
05-11-2007, 02:31 PM
But if you renew now you'll get that nifty poster of the guys in their suits. :devil:

I got that poster - it is really nice, I'm thinking about framing it. (I'm being serious by the way).

RWB
05-11-2007, 02:35 PM
I got that poster - it is really nice, I'm thinking about framing it. (I'm being serious by the way).

And here I was going to say "you can't be serious"? :-o ;)
Poster was in the mail after getting back from my Philly non Camaro trip.

OnlyPacersLeft
05-11-2007, 05:23 PM
probably could find something (ANYTHING) better to do with the money then watch the pacers lose about 30 of those 41 after they trade tinsley and JO.

madison
05-11-2007, 08:05 PM
As a 4-yr season tix holder -- section 5 -- I'm wondering the same thing. Renew and watch a mediocre team with marginal talent stink-up the place at most every home game, OR, sign-on for another year, and hope that TPTB finally make some changes that actually make us better. Just keep in mind that even in the best-case scenario, we're not talking about being an EC finals team for many seasons. The decision, in a way, boils down to how much you like the NBA. The Pacers are going to be a 14 -20 position team (on a league-wide basis) for a long time. Perhaps a good strategy is to keep you powder dry for a while, and then, when the season starts, use your season tix $ to purchase the occassional game with a really good seat from a ticket broker. For now, it's hard to commit to season tix when the front office is as incompetent as it's been for quite some time. Unfortunately, I don't see the Simons making the ultimate change anytime soon.

BoomBaby31
05-11-2007, 09:30 PM
I'd wait and see how the offseason pans out. If you want to see a winning season, then hold off and use your basketball knowledge, and see/think if they are going to win over 45+ games. If you are a Pacers nut that lives and dies with the Pacers, buy the tickets and enjoy the games. It's almost 75% sure we are trading JO most likely to L.A. Pray we pick up an awesome package like including odom, farmar and first round draft pick for J.O Tinsley 3rd draft pick. OR something comparable. I think we will do alot of good things this offseason. This season was a rebuilding season, healing/trading the poision, i'm hoping next season is alot better. I wouldn't rush into buying tickets if you are iffy, it's not like they are going to sale out anytime soon, unless we pick up Wade, shaq, Lebron, or Kobe, or Odem in the the draft hhahaaha

Bball
05-11-2007, 09:43 PM
Why the hurry? Why condone and even reward the management consortium's lack of vision and slow, festering pace?

Never underestimate TPTB's ability to be 'half-assed' even in the most dire of circumstances. I hope Tinsley is gone in whatever way possible before the season starts but it would not surprise me at all if he's still here.

-Bball

Naptown_Seth
05-12-2007, 12:11 AM
A). I liked section 19 for the one game I actually attended

B). After 15 seasons, including the last seven as a resident in Chicago, I finally decided to not renew tickers this spring. Two factors: (1) utter disgust with team management over the past four seasons, and (2) since Jay's_daughter@Section19 is school-aged, and Indiana picked the wrong time zone (like you should be on Eastern time :laugh:) I can't get to Friday night games in time and Sunday night games are too late.

However (1) I haven't had to tell the Pacers yet that I'm cancelling so they probably think I'm still on the list of ticket holders, and (2) if they actually hire JVG (:drool:) I'll likely renew.

Just my thoughts, its your money but I've always thought that a grand for good half-season tickets was a no-brainer - assuming I could actually use them.
Can't wait to see the Pacers miss the playoffs or have their 2 AS players eliminated in round 1? ;)

Come on, fair is fair, you ripped on Rick and JVG just had 2 years right on par with that. And BTW I resented Isiah partially because it kept the Pacers from going after JVG back the first time, I'm a fan of him as a coach.


Tickets - if you can afford it then go with another half-season. Sure Bird might be terrible, maybe their is no vision, but you still will get to see guys like Granger and Shawne early in their careers doing what they are going to do. And likely you will get to see more good stuff than that.

Even a down season will have it's moments and memories, and then when it starts to turn you'll have been the guy that was there through the tough times.

Honestly if I had the money I'd move in right now and start taking advantage of people clearing out of their seats so I could lock into even better seats myself.


Whether you go or "support" TPTB or not the team is going to win or lose regardless. Sending a message doesn't alter much of anything when it comes to W-L. Either Bird will be smart or he won't. If he's not and the team loses, his job will be in jeopardy even if you show up.