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    Odd thoughts on game 5....

    I love the Heat. Actually, no I don't.

    Listen to their post game comments & you would think that we only won by the fact that they didn't do what they wanted. We had nothing to do with their play, according to them. Wade was certain that Ron Artest didn't affect his game.

    Whatever.

    I know that I am in the minority here but I just don't consider the Heat a very good basketball club. They are well coached & they have some fine talent, but in the long scheme of things the Heat shouldn't even be in the playoffs. In the 90's that would be a team that would be lucky to get 38-40 wins.

    But who cares about them, with any luck at all we only will have to think about them for one more game.

    Let's start.

    The crowd at the fieldhouse was great before, during & even after the game. You should have heard the garage at Alabama St. after the game it sounded like 1,000 horns all going off at once.

    Whenever we get a defense chant going without the music or Porter urging us to, you know the fans are into it.

    We got a R-E-G-G-I-E chant going, hell we even had a Foster chant going & needless to say the fans gave hell to the worst referee in the history of organized sports, Benet Salvatore. Whenever I walk in & see him on the floor I cringe. Not because he is anti-Indiana, it's because he is anti-knowledge about the game. He is just horrid.

    Let's do the players.

    Jermaine O'Neal. Did anybody see the pose after he scored in the fourth quarter? The one where he flexed both of his arms to show his muscles? While it was funny & got the crowd going I am sure the whiney *******s in Miami will cry on about this. Other than that I had no real problem with the way J.O. played. I don't like the fact that some of the offense seems forced through him, but I don't blame J.O. for that. He seemed active & I like the fact that he didn't just try & go three on one. Good job by O'Neal.

    Ron Artest. I'll be honest with you, I got scared early in the game. There were a couple of times in the first quarter Ron took shots that were clearly not in the scheme of the offense & I thought to myself "oh crap". I was afraid after last game that Ron was going to go on his own & in a couple of cases I think he did. But my fears were put to bed early & Ron calmed down. He once again put the vice grips on Butler & then when the time called for it he even managed to check the greatest player not named Jordan (Dwayne Wade) Sorry, but this guy is on my nerves right now. I love the way Ron has been going at the boards the last couple of games & that helps a lot.

    Jeff Foster. ed:



    Just kidding. Game ball of course goes to Foster. We desperately needed help from somewhere else & he more than gave it to us. Jeff played about the most complete game of basketball that we have seen all season long. He rebounded, scored & defended. While his offense is getting all of the credit (it deserves it btw) it was his defense on Lamar Odom that made a great deal of differance. This obviously was the best game of Jeff's career & it couldn't have come at a better time.

    Reggie Miller. His activity on the offensive end cannot be underestimated. He will only draw teams away from the forwards if the opponets think he is going to shoot. We even got a floater from him. We MUST get the same kind of activity from Reggie in Miami.

    Jamaal Tinsley. Lost in all of Jeff Fosters great play was the fact that J.Tins played a solid overall game. He rebounded, passed, scored, defended. He did a great job on defense last night. Did anybody else see the teardrop shot he hit? Did it remind anybody else, other than me, of Mark Jacksons shot?

    Al Harrington. He's probably going to be blamed again for having a bad game, but I thought he battled on the boards very well. On the downside though there was a part in the 3rd quarter that he was taken out & Jermaine came back in & I'll be honest, it looked like Al was pouting about it. I might have read that wrong though? Again, he didn't dominate but I thought he played a solid game.

    A.J. The local parriah. I thought he played solid last night, I've been saying that a lot haven't I? He still can't pass or run an offense but he did a great job on defense (he stopped a fast break by Odom all by himself) & his timely three pointer helped put the heat down.

    Croshere. He has to be more active on the boards. He is always setting a solid pick, but at the end of the day he has got to produce & if it's not points he has got to get boards.

    Bender. On the way home I heard Kevin Lee talk about why Bender hasn't been playing much this series. He said something odd. According to his sources on the team they said Jon was starting to get the "Deer in the headlight" syndrome again. I guess in practice it's been pretty bad as well. He sure doesn't seem to be the same player he was vs. Boston, does he.

    Odds & ends.

    D.J. Paul B used some of our ideas. Hell if I'd have known he was going to go old school rock on us I would have definately given other ideas to him. But I certainly appreciate the scorpions, Van Halen & even a little Run DMC.

    I know that he is not for some of us older guys, but you can't deny the crowd reacts to him. I think he is doing the job they pay him to do & he does it very very well.

    Yeah, I know a lot of you liked looking at the Heat dancers up in the clubhouse & I know some of you sitting next to them enjoyed it. But the fans directly behind them (the ones that weren't Heat fans) were haveing real problems. I saw the woman fan call the usher two differant times. Once for the guy behind her & once again for the Dancers in front of her. The fact we won & to watch them go from Dancing cheering fools to just fools was fun for us. But other than that I thought they were disruptive to that section. The fact that they were doing their dance routines in their seats was annoying after awhile. Now had we lost the game I think they would have made a lot more people mad than they did, but losing cures all wounds.

    Not much to say on this one, other than more of the same in game 6.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

    Great post as always... SVG's comments did kinda rub me the wrong way after the fact that coach Carlisle did nothing but give the Heat credit the whole series.
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    • #3
      Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

      Jeff Foster. ed:

      While his offense is getting all of the credit (it deserves it btw) it was his defense on Lamar Odom that made a great deal of differance.
      That was my biggest beef with the TNT announcers last night. They *did* praise Jeff repeatedly for his offense and rebounding, but completely missed the fact that his defense on Odom was outstanding. I though they owed it to him since one of the re-occuring themes in previous broadcasts was how there was no way on God's green earth Jeff could stop Odom and that was the match-up to exploit.
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        Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

        Jeff Foster. ed:

        While his offense is getting all of the credit (it deserves it btw) it was his defense on Lamar Odom that made a great deal of differance.
        That was my biggest beef with the TNT announcers last night. They *did* praise Jeff repeatedly for his offense and rebounding, but completely missed the fact that his defense on Odom was outstanding. I though they owed it to him since one of the re-occuring themes in previous broadcasts was how there was no way on God's green earth Jeff could stop Odom and that was the match-up to exploit.

        so, you want 'em to admit that they're stupid and don't know ^^^^ nor shinola about basketball?


        I guess we can rule out JVG making any trades with an EC team huh? Might hurt his bro. (I was really hoping we could land Cato somehow).
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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        • #5
          Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

          Great post Peck

          The DJ was better last night he was not as vocal, less urging the fans on, less ranting and raving. I say play your music, and use your voice only when necessary. Reb Porter urged us on a few times last night. Enough about that.


          Peck, I disagree with you about the Heat. Assuming there is not a great shift of a large number of very good players from the west to the east, the Heat will win 50 games next season and should be the 4th best team behind, Pacers Nets, Pistons.

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          • #6
            Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

            Very good post Peck.

            I tell you what. These commentators made a very good point yesterday. The east is NOT far behind the west anymore. These teams in the east are starting to get really good, and the east is goign to be scary next year. NJ, Detroit, Indiana, Miami, Cleveland, and more are going to be good.
            Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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            • #7
              Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

              D.J. Paul B used some of our ideas. Hell if I'd have known he was going to go old school rock on us I would have definately given other ideas to him. But I certainly appreciate the scorpions, Van Halen & even a little Run DMC.

              I know that he is not for some of us older guys, but you can't deny the crowd reacts to him. I think he is doing the job they pay him to do & he does it very very well.
              It's not too late to give me more ideas. The advise and music suggestions given earlier were good ones, and now you see I actually listened to you! The old school rock mix was hot, it was my first time doing anything like that. My job is to rock the house and keep the fans excited during the time-outs. Whatever it takes to get that done, I'm all for it...

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              • #8
                Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                Just wondering if you got my email, since you did not download anything

                Let me know if there's a problem
                So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                  Just wondering if you got my email, since you did not download anything

                  Let me know if there's a problem
                  I got it, but was not able to access the page. Please send me more detailed instructions on how to get to that page, if you have time. Thanks Able...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                    D.J. Paul B used some of our ideas. Hell if I'd have known he was going to go old school rock on us I would have definately given other ideas to him. But I certainly appreciate the scorpions, Van Halen & even a little Run DMC.

                    I know that he is not for some of us older guys, but you can't deny the crowd reacts to him. I think he is doing the job they pay him to do & he does it very very well.
                    It's not too late to give me more ideas. The advise and music suggestions given earlier were good ones, and now you see I actually listened to you! The old school rock mix was hot, it was my first time doing anything like that. My job is to rock the house and keep the fans excited during the time-outs. Whatever it takes to get that done, I'm all for it...
                    Paul,

                    I enjoyed your work last night but I didn't hear Long Tall Glasses (Leo Sayer). Do you have a copy of this or do you need help from here? I have it on CD if that would help. If so, let me know and I can courier it over to you for either game 1 of Conf. finals or game 6 of Conf. Semi's. My brother was in town for the game and I bet him $5 that before the game was over we would hear that. I'm our $5 but at least we won. It's a pretty cool song if you've followed the Pacers and have been in MSA/Coliseum/ and even some in the Fieldhouse.
                    Two=the number 2
                    Too=means "also"
                    To=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (two, too) do not apply.

                    Their=shows ownership-'it is their house'
                    They're=they are
                    There=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (their, they're) do not apply

                    Sorry but it bugs me when these are used incorrectly when I read posts on PacersDigest.com.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                      BigMac - I didnt have it in time for the game yesterday. I looked for it in 4 different record stores and none of them had it. However, Able has made it available for me to download so I should have it ready for the next game. Thanks for the offer of the cd, I appreciate the help!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                        Peck, I disagree with you about the Heat. Assuming there is not a great shift of a large number of very good players from the west to the east, the Heat will win 50 games next season and should be the 4th best team behind, Pacers Nets, Pistons.[/quote]


                        I believe what Peck is saying is that the Heat are capitilizing on a weak time in the East and in the NBA in general.

                        I'm gonna have to agree that this Heat team placed in the EC during the 90's with powerhouses like the Pacers, Knicks, Bulls and Magic along with quality teams such as the Hawks and Charlotte would only be an 8th seed if they could make the playoffs and would be swept in the first round.

                        However I still believe that next year the Heat will contenders and are only a low-post threat to be in the class of the Pacers, Pistons, and Nets.

                        The Cavs of next year aren't necessarily the same. They seem to me to be more of a throw back team with their stars and how they play. Carlos Boozer especially. The east was never really that far behind the West if you ask me, as Donnie Walsh once said the west has Shaq after that nothing is better. What the east needs to do is concentrate on getting more players like Boozer in order to re-establish the toughness the east has been known for. Then no longer will the west be consider the "better more talented conference" but rather the "soft run and gun, little d conference". While the east will once again triumph through its toughness.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                          It's not too late to give me more ideas. The advise and music suggestions given earlier were good ones, and now you see I actually listened to you! The old school rock mix was hot, it was my first time doing anything like that. My job is to rock the house and keep the fans excited during the time-outs. Whatever it takes to get that done, I'm all for it...
                          Well...in that case...


                          RONNIE MONTROSE'S opening measures of SPACE STATION NUMBER #5 and maaybe even the opening signatur of BAD MOTOR SCOOTER from the same self titled 1973 album would be really hot ...they are upbeat and raw.

                          I have them all on .mp3 and could easily e-mail them or upload them to to a server if you are interested. I also think that Judas Priest's THE HELLION/ELECTRIC EYE (along with other portions of some of their classics) would be upbeat and really raw and easily jumpstart the fans/crowd.

                          I have all of them on .mp3 and would gladly be of any assistaance I could if so desired.....



                          Joe Satriani's SATCH'S BOOGIE also comes to mind.
                          There is a folder on the game-server called "music" you can up;load there if you want
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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                            gives me a chance to finally ask:

                            When i was at a bulls game (loooong ago, with MJ, rodman, pippen and so) they had this "intro" animated on the scoreboards overhead and the music "sirius" from the alan parson project, awesome intro

                            Do the other teams in the league use similar intro's, like the Pacers and such ? and if not, WHY the F not ?
                            So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd thoughts on game 5....

                              read pm

                              So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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