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BlueNGold
01-28-2007, 11:46 PM
I think Rawle has all the tools to be a great shooting guard for the Pacers. He has great intensity on defense and kept a lid on Rip Hamilton tonight. In fact, he always plays good defense and is why James White was not needed. It appears he is developing a better perimeter shot to go with an already very nice inside game. I think he will also be the type of player to deliver in the clutch....just a gut feeling. Love his attitude as well.

So, what do you think about Rawle?

Evan_The_Dude
01-28-2007, 11:52 PM
I'm high on Rawle, but I'm not crazy. If we didn't have Daniels then I'd say he deserves a shot. I do think he should be in the rotation ahead of Williams because of the energy he brings. I'm not voting because I think he's a 10-14 minute player.

Unclebuck
01-28-2007, 11:54 PM
No, but I said after his game he played against the Sixers on November 7th that he has the talent to start someday

LG33
01-28-2007, 11:56 PM
He's too thin. Way too thin. And too confident. Daniels is good for now.

Bball
01-28-2007, 11:57 PM
No, but I said after his game he played against the Sixers on November 7th that he has the talent to start someday

If you believe that, then why not start him on this team? This year is about the future anyway (IMHO) so if you think he has starter potential maybe we should be developing that.

-Bball

Evan_The_Dude
01-29-2007, 12:03 AM
He's too thin. Way too thin. And too confident. Daniels is good for now.

Too thin and two confident. This coming from a guy with a Reggie Miller avatar. My favorite thing about Rawle Marshall is his confidence. He can also back his confidence up with results.

We actually did try Marshall as a starter earlier in the season but we only tried it for one game. This was when Jackson was injured and coming off the bench.

LG33
01-29-2007, 12:03 AM
Doesn't anyone else think he's not strong enough yet? He just doesn't have an NBA body yet, but he certainly has potential to be a good player - he's aggressive and confident (perhaps even to a fault in my opinion). I think he and Shawne both need more conditioning/strength-training before they get significant minutes - but that's just my opinion though.

LG33
01-29-2007, 12:03 AM
Too thin and two confident. This coming from a guy with a Reggie Miller avatar. My favorite thing about Rawle Marshall is his confidence. He can also back his confidence up with results.

Wow. I think I just got burned royally. Touche.

Unclebuck
01-29-2007, 12:04 AM
On second thought I don't know.

When Marshall was on the floor tonight the Pacers were plus 25

LG33
01-29-2007, 12:08 AM
If we start him, either Daniels (one of our big off-season acquisitions) or Dunleavy (apparently a vital piece of the trade/team according to TPTB) will get significantly less minutes - and we pay them too much for that. Of all people, I support giving guys like Rawle Marshall a shot at the big time, I just don't know if that shot should come so soon.

I'm thinking of changing my avatar to this:
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Then my argument will beat Ev_eezy's counter.

Hicks
01-29-2007, 12:17 AM
Garbage minutes behind Dunleavy/Daniels.

Evan_The_Dude
01-29-2007, 12:18 AM
Let's put it this way. Here's our SF/SG's:

Granger
Daniels
Dunleavy
Williams
Marshall

Granger is our starting SF and that won't change. For now Dunleavy is our starting SG. Daniels is our 6th man and can play SG, SF, and PG. Williams plays up to 10 minutes per game (since the trade). No room for Marshall really.

The only way we make room for Marshall is to play Daniels at the PG spot more often, cutting down Armstrong's minutes. Then make Williams a permanent bench fixture. Then wait for Dunleavy to need a rest before Marshall gets in. Then even in that scenario he'll barely touch 15 minutes per game.

The only realistic way Marshall will get minutes is if one of our key SF/SG's go down with an injury. That's a shame because I think he can give us a lot with his energy along with Armstrong. I think we should at least keep him active to play in our "hustle" lineup if necessary.

Anthem
01-29-2007, 12:38 AM
The only way you get minutes for Rawle is by giving Tinsley's minutes. Not sure that's going to happen.

avoidingtheclowns
01-29-2007, 12:48 AM
i liked what rawle did tonight. i liked a few things williams did last night, but both made some young mistakes the last few nights. i don't think either should be starting but playing time would be nice.

bnd45
01-29-2007, 02:13 AM
Marshall should definitely be ahead of Williams, but I don't think either of them should play much. Daniels should be getting more minutes than he is currently receiving. Even if he is coming off the bench, Daniels should be getting more minutes than Dunleavy.

hoopsforlife
01-29-2007, 06:47 AM
The only way you get minutes for Rawle is by giving Tinsley's minutes. Not sure that's going to happen.

This should be done. I would give anybody else Tinsleys minutes. Somebody should intrduce the Tinman to Danny Granger sometime. I bet he would like Danny if he got to know him. :)

CableKC
01-29-2007, 07:26 AM
I did like what I saw from Rawle....mainly cuz he has some range...especially out to the 3pt line...but I would much rather have Daniels on the floor cuz he has a much more consistent and reliable Mid-Range jumper.

D-BONE
01-29-2007, 07:51 AM
I'd like to see him get a run of games with 12 or so minutes just to see if what we saw last night was a fluke or if he can add some spice consistently off the bench.

I do agree the problem is where do the minutes come from. However, if he proves a good bench player over time, he might be able to climb over Williams in the pecking order. Or if Dunleavy just kind of disappears out there like I felt happened too much last night, maybe there's a slight reduction there.

His outside shot was surprising. He is very active moving in the 1/2 court offense and truly sprinting out on the break. His D on Rip was about as good as you can do. Again, all this has to be shown to be sustainable. But if that perimeter D is anywhere near sustainable I'd crown him our perimeter defensive specialist in a heartbeat.

Consider, too, that he was playing in for his college town crowd. That motivation won't always be there.

naptown
01-29-2007, 08:22 AM
I dont think he is ready to play big minutes night in and night out yet. But I do think he has the ability to play significant minutes in this league at some point in the future. Him, Williams and Ike are truly nice young players who could be big contributors for this team down the road.

Aint having quality depth a pain in the backside.

Putnam
01-29-2007, 10:29 AM
I dont think he is ready to play big minutes night in and night out yet.


True, but 15 minutes is not "big" minutes.

O'Neal and Granger need to be playing 40+ minutes. Those are "big" minutes. Almost everybody else, should be played situationally with lots of substitutions to keep people fresh and keep the other team reacting. That doesn't mean egg-timer substitutions or complete equity of minutes in every game -- but simply that over the course of the season we've got 2-3 guys averaging 40+ minutes and several more averaging 15-20 minutes.

I would give more of Tinsley's minutes to Daniels and make time at shooting guard for Dunleavy and for Marshall.

Anthem
01-29-2007, 12:24 PM
This should be done. I would give anybody else Tinsleys minutes. Somebody should intrduce the Tinman to Danny Granger sometime. I bet he would like Danny if he got to know him. :)

Weird, that's a typo.

I meant to say "by giving Tinley's minutes to Marquis Daniels." i.e., if you run Marquis at the point, there are minutes for Rawle at the 2 and Shawne at the 3.

odeez
01-29-2007, 12:33 PM
I love Rawle, I like his energy. I don't care if he is thin or not, if he was playing C or PF, I would be nerves. I am not sure he should be starting, but he should be getting mins. His defense is of value.

waxman
01-29-2007, 01:30 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of Tins/Marshall/Granger/JO/Murph... our perimeter D would be pretty nasty. He is really aggressive defensively....which is sweet.... he picked up some bogus fouls against Rip. Of course if you look at Rip funny you pick up a foul.

Offensively he is capabable.... he had a couple out of control moments against the Pistons... but he's also knocked down a couple tough shots and has shown alot of poise and control in games earlier this season.

His quickness with the ball reminds me a little of Leandro Barbosa... His skinny frame, slight underbite, snaggle-tooth grin and goofy mannerisms remind of a popular former pacer.

He may not be ready to start.... but the team was much better against the Pistons when he was in the game.

Moses
01-29-2007, 01:45 PM
He's too thin. Way too thin. And too confident. Daniels is good for now.
I like Rawle's confidence. He plays great defense, but he plays a bit out of control when he gets the ball. Once he gets it, he's looking to score, score, and score some more. However, he does one thing that nobody on this Pacers team seems to know is allowed. He uses a jump step to beat his defender a lot of the time and that's why he is able to get to the bucket so easy. Technically, half his moves are probably traveling..but this is the NBA.

rexnom
01-29-2007, 03:28 PM
I like Rawle's confidence. He plays great defense, but he plays a bit out of control when he gets the ball. Once he gets it, he's looking to score, score, and score some more. However, he does one thing that nobody on this Pacers team seems to know is allowed. He uses a jump step to beat his defender a lot of the time and that's why he is able to get to the bucket so easy. Technically, half his moves are probably traveling..but this is the NBA.
I agree with your assessment. I think he could use some moderate time. The only way Rip was beating him last night was through flopping and pushing. I was very impressed by Rawle to say the least and so was Rick, I think. He left him in a lot longer than I thought he would. Proof that if you play well, even Rick Carlisle will reward you.

CableKC
01-29-2007, 04:04 PM
True, but 15 minutes is not "big" minutes.

O'Neal and Granger need to be playing 40+ minutes.
In his entire career....JONeal has not averaged 40+ minutes. Given his track history for injury....I really would prefer to take advantage of our depth at the PF spot....give more minutes to Ike and/or Baston ( which should help in the long run )...and limit JONeal to his standard 34+ minutes a game.

indyman37
01-29-2007, 04:23 PM
I only said garbage minutes because I haven't been able to see him play as much as most of you probably have. But I think Dun and Quis should play before him.

Young
01-29-2007, 04:24 PM
No, Rawle shouldn't start.

However should he be in the regular rotation? Possiably.

The way I see it, when healthy, we have Dunleavy/Granger at the 2-3 with Daniels getting most of the backup minutes. I don't know how many minuates is left but I would like to see Rawle or Shawne get all those minutes, my guess is 10-20 per game. Whoever is better is who should ge those minutes between Rawle and Shawne. I don't really know who is better because last night was really the first time I saw Rawle play and I haven't seen enough of Shawne to say for sure so I don't know.

I know this much, the only way you can see what a player can do is to play him some minutes. 5-10 minutes isn't enough. You need to give players a chance to get in rythm to see what they can do. Even when Marquis comes back i'd like Rick to really let Rawle play and see what he can do. Lets see what this kid has to offer. I know I like his game, but lets see what he can really.

Naptown_Seth
01-29-2007, 07:33 PM
I said garbage time, but only because I don't think he's ready for REGULAR 20 mpg nights. I would like to see him getting some regular work in order to improve his game, but that would mean only 5-10 on many nights.

Right now I want more of the "training" minutes to go to Danny, Shawne and Ike instead.



Unless it's the playoffs no player should really play 40 mpg IMO. Yes I know they "can" do it, but I want the star fresh in the 4th and for the playoffs, and in the meantime I think teams should be making sure their bench is getting solidified with some PT too.

Frank Slade
01-29-2007, 07:35 PM
Should Rawle Start ? As of right now , I think that may be putting the cart before the horse. He first would need to get the opportunity of playing into the regular rotation for at least 8-10 games or so. 10-20 minutes a night maybe.

If it actually seems like he clicks better with the starting rotation, sure give him a chance.

I have gushed about him since the day we traded for him, but even I would say we would be jumping to gun to just throw him in there right now. Rawle is still somewhat Raw in some aspects. Although he has lot of promise.

PacerMan
01-29-2007, 11:15 PM
Dunleavy does lots of nice fundamental things on the court. That's a nice change for us. He's also good for ball movement. On the other hand, he's a defensive liability and he's shooting 39% as a pacer.
If he's not being active and positive in other areas his minutes are going to drop. I'm REALLY impressed with Marshalls defense. It was fun to watch him chasing Hamiltion, which ain't easy.

Give him some of Dunleavys minutes.

Anthem
01-30-2007, 10:05 PM
Honestly? I thought Rawle played pretty well tonight. He's no Stephen Jackson, but that's not always a terrible thing.

Even with Marquis out, there's not enough minutes for everybody. We still need to consolidate some talent.