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ABADays
01-19-2007, 09:19 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=531348#post531348

Can he just SHUT UP long enough to see if this thing takes? Damn JO - it wasn't working. Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!

Unclebuck
01-19-2007, 09:22 PM
JO will get over it. If he doesn't he'll be traded.

rexnom
01-19-2007, 09:25 PM
But ultimately JO says that he will be happy if the team wins. That's the most important thing. There is no way he'll complain if this becomes a killer team just because his pals aren't here. He's a competitor.

Trader Joe
01-19-2007, 09:30 PM
I really don't see anything wrong with JO's comments. Its not like he is saying, "Screw this I want out or anything." Its understandable that he is upset about Al and Jack getting traded, but its not like he is saying they will not embrace the new guys. In fact, I heard another interview where JO stressed how hard he would work to embrace the new guys. If you ask me this was JO just being JO truthfully answering the questions that were asked of him.

Bball
01-19-2007, 09:33 PM
Actually... JO's quotes don't really look that bad to me. At worst, and this is taking his quotes in context with what the writer has added, JO is just distancing himself from any part in the decision to pull the trigger (no pun intended for Sjax) on this trade.

The writer is implying it goes deeper but he neglected to get those inflammatory quotes into the article (if they even exist) from the way I am reading it.

In any case... JO might not have intended for this to happen but he set the wheels into motion at the 8th game of the season when he decided he didn't like his role in the new offense. So he got his wish, but it might've not played out like he'd hoped. I'm not sure what he expected though.

-Bball

Jermaniac
01-19-2007, 09:35 PM
I hope JO keeps talking everytime something bothers him I hope he puts it out into the public just to **** Pacers fans off. Its great and very funny, that fans act like the world is coming to an end when a NBA player speaks. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Go get reborn into a 6-11 Basketball God and then you can act like everything is great, and lie to the fans and the media.

ABADays
01-19-2007, 09:36 PM
JO will get over it. If he doesn't he'll be traded.

That's kind of the point UB. Just wait for a minute to see what happens before you let yourself get quoted in the press.

Trader Joe
01-19-2007, 09:39 PM
That's kind of the point UB. Just wait for a minute to see what happens before you let yourself get quoted in the press.

JO has never been one to turn away an interview which is one of the reasons he has become a favorite among NBA analysts and reporters. I really think you are reading too much into these comments. I don't see anywhere where he directly attacks the Pacers organization. Hes sad to see his friends leave thats all.

ApNeDtRiEeW
01-19-2007, 09:40 PM
He said he wants to remain a pacer, wants to retire as one actually. So how can people manipulate that into he wants to be traded elsewhere? He's upset his buddies were traded, but like it's already been said it wasn't going to work out and once we start winning this will all be behind him. Jackson and Harrington were losing us games with inconsistant play and distractions off the court, if he is really all for winning he should embrace these new guys and be excited his franchise is making the effort to get guys in there to compliment HIM and turn the ship back around towards a title.

ABADays
01-19-2007, 10:07 PM
I hope JO keeps talking everytime something bothers him I hope he puts it out into the public just to **** Pacers fans off. Its great and very funny, that fans act like the world is coming to an end when a NBA player speaks. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Go get reborn into a 6-11 Basketball God and then you can act like everything is great, and lie to the fans and the media.

It's fine that he may be upset. But he has to do an interview about it? Get real.

rexnom
01-19-2007, 10:12 PM
It's fine that he may be upset. But he has to do an interview about it? Get real.
I question this article or supposed interview. One of those quotes seemed a lot like what he said on TNT last night. I think the author just took JO quotes out of context and used them in an inflammatory way. Classic yellow journalism. Very classy.

speakout4
01-19-2007, 11:08 PM
I hope JO keeps talking everytime something bothers him I hope he puts it out into the public just to **** Pacers fans off. Its great and very funny, that fans act like the world is coming to an end when a NBA player speaks. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Go get reborn into a 6-11 Basketball God and then you can act like everything is great, and lie to the fans and the media.

You can hope all you want that JO speaks his mind but be prepared to read about him in another city on another team. That's life. Take issue with your bosses ( i.e. guys who pay you) and see how indispensable you are. It won't take much more for TPTB to trade JO too. No I don't want to see him go.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
01-19-2007, 11:18 PM
“Especially Al. I fought all summer to get him back and three months into it, he’s gone. I was a little hurt by that, personally, but it’s a business too.” - JO

I find it funny that JO is saying hes hurt by Al being traded only 3 months after he tried so hard to get him here, while meanwhile Al is in Oakland saying he never wanted to come back to the Pacers in the first place and couldn't he happier to be with the Warriors.

Now I think hearing your 'friend' say that would hurt more.

Shade
01-19-2007, 11:41 PM
Um...did I miss something? I don't see anything troubling coming out of JO's mouth here at all.

GetMoney
01-19-2007, 11:44 PM
“Especially Al. I fought all summer to get him back and three months into it, he’s gone. I was a little hurt by that, personally, but it’s a business too.” - JO

word... hurt me too

LG33
01-19-2007, 11:49 PM
He never looked happy last night, and overall didn't seem to be into the game. I'm not surprised he's not happy with the trade, and I don't expect him to be (lost his best friend, and Stevie - a headache for fans but a player's favorite). I said all of this in the game thread yesterday if y'all really care.

SycamoreKen
01-20-2007, 12:16 AM
If he really believed that the five that was starting was the best in the league then I might be worried about his ability to make good basketball judgements, but since he was probably saying that to make the guys that left look better than they were, I'm o.k. with what he had to say.

Hicks
01-20-2007, 12:56 AM
I don't see anything in his comments to warrant the tone of the article and its headline. He was hurt personally. It almost reads to me like the author wants to spin this into he doesn't want these new players on the team.

Shack80
01-20-2007, 01:37 AM
JO and his whinning lost me right here "With Al and those guys, I felt like we had the best five in the league" BUH, WTF, snuh? Buh. Guh. Not. I am over his crap, he needs to now put up and shut up. He sure talks alot.:mad:

odeez
01-20-2007, 01:43 AM
JO will be fine, especially if we start to win. And when the day comes and he does leave, IKE will be waiting.

Peck
01-20-2007, 02:09 AM
I don't see anything in his comments to warrant the tone of the article and its headline. He was hurt personally. It almost reads to me like the author wants to spin this into he doesn't want these new players on the team.

My feelings on this exactly.

Look I've not made any seceret to my feelings on O'Neal & I certainly was not happy with the post game 8 meeting at all (to say the least).

But in this case I think it's just a New York writer doing what they do for thier market, stir up something that isn't really there.

I've not heard anyone say anything really negative out of this trade at all. Not Al, not J.O., not Ike, not nobody.

I understand ABAdays frustration with J.O., but in this case I am not going to say anything about his statements because I just don't see anything that bad.

mcampbellarch
01-20-2007, 02:21 AM
I am just now getting to read up on everything, though when I watched the tivo of the miami game and caught JO's interview....

I got the impression that he was saying kind of what you expected to hear, and that he was doing as a ruese. His friendship with Al would have to be pretty deep to overlook Al's absence on the boards. Heck, one game JO was in after rolling his ankle and he was still the only one going up 2 and three times after the loose. Well Granger was there too.

Regardless, I am happy that something was done. I am looking forward to seeing what happens when you have players with perhaps less tallent, but a better work ethic. I enjoyed watching the shorthanded game to see more of the bench.

I am a little confused about the money issues as well. Someone else noted that the contracts wont matter if there are more W's. Why does anyone outside of management really care, it's their money. Besides, I dont think that it is a lack of funds which stops deals, they are as much emotional for the fans as well as the management. There is as much accounting as behavioral finance at work. Should'nt the fantasy league derivation / iteration prove this to be true?

Thanks for the forum all

sportsmusicxboxpacer
01-20-2007, 02:44 AM
whatever comes and goes JO will be happy winning peroid.. as for al his ego is damnn! any ways let get the team ready to roll!!

rexnom
01-20-2007, 04:15 AM
Meanwhile on cbs.sportsline.com's NBA page, Danny and JO grace the front and the cover article is "Big trade has O'Neal excited about Pacers' prospects (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/9942027)." Let's all get real. JO just wants to win...as a Pacer. How can we be frustrated but expect him not to be after five seasons of being close but never quite getting there?

Kingsfanbmiller
01-20-2007, 05:29 AM
“Especially Al. I fought all summer to get him back and three months into it, he’s gone. I was a little hurt by that, personally, but it’s a business too.” - JO

I find it funny that JO is saying hes hurt by Al being traded only 3 months after he tried so hard to get him here, while meanwhile Al is in Oakland saying he never wanted to come back to the Pacers in the first place and couldn't he happier to be with the Warriors.

Now I think hearing your 'friend' say that would hurt more.



Harrington actually said that about the Pacers? That is kind of messed up IMO.

speakout4
01-20-2007, 10:39 AM
I don't see anything in his comments to warrant the tone of the article and its headline. He was hurt personally. It almost reads to me like the author wants to spin this into he doesn't want these new players on the team.

What does that say to the new guys when JO says we already had the best five? JO said something similar about Peja's role on the team shortly after Peja was consdiered the trade bait for Artest. He said Peja was not what they needed. I think JO has to whine privately.

able
01-20-2007, 10:41 AM
This CBS Sportsline article makes clear what he did say, not what the NYT writer made of it.
In actual fact this article tells a great deal more then just that, it also tells why they were ready (RC;Granger ready) and that despite "great lockerroom guys" several players (Jeff among them) thought it was better they went.

Finally it makes clear what JO really wants: retire a champion in a Pacers Jersey.





Big trade has O'Neal excited about Pacers' prospects

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/9942027/1

By Jamey Eisenberg


Jermaine O'Neal never expected the Pacers to make such a dramatic change to their roster. But Indiana's franchise player has a newfound hope following the recent trade with Golden State.

O'Neal now believes the Pacers have a chance.

He sees the Eastern Conference is wide open, and the Pacers needed to do something to be legitimate contenders. O'Neal said the eight-player deal to essentially acquire Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy for Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson is the answer.

O'Neal has that much faith in Dunleavy and Murphy, two players who were considered disappointments with the Warriors.

"I think they're really going to fit in because of their shooting and their ability to spread the defense," O'Neal said. "Almost every game we see zones because teams are trying to slow me down. Those guys will get ample shots from the outside. I'm really excited about the opportunity to play with these guys."

This is the second year in a row the Pacers have traded away a key member of their rotation. Last year, it was Ron Artest for Peja Stojakovic, but that trade was done to remove a headache more than anything else.

Getting Dunleavy and Murphy, in the Pacer's eyes, was about improving. O'Neal said the Pacers now have enough in place to compete with Miami, Detroit, Cleveland and the other pretenders in the weaker Eastern Conference.

O'Neal doesn't see any dominant team.

"It seems like every time a team gets hot, they hit a span where they struggle a little bit," O'Neal said. "It's fortunate for us because we're struggling, too. We're trying to find our way. ... Hopefully we can get ourselves together and come the second half of the season some of these other teams are going to have to play catch-up with us."

The Pacers still are going to struggle while Dunleavy and Murphy try to fit in. Coach Rick Carlisle knows there will be an adjustment period, and he said two weeks is the minimum for any player joining a new team.

A realistic expectation is the Pacers will start to play like a cohesive unit around the All-Star break in mid-February.

"This trade is going to redefine our team a little bit," Carlisle said. "We're going to look to do things as simply as we can moving forward. There are some things we're going to scrap because some of our key guys are gone.

"We have one of the best post players in the game. We needed to bolster our outside shooting. We think Murphy and Dunleavy both shoot the ball well. When you have a guy like Jermaine, you need to protect him with shooters."

One player who will benefit from the trade is second-year swingman Danny Granger. Harrington and Jackson were the Pacers' second and third scoring options behind O'Neal. The No. 2 role should belong to Granger now.


Dunleavy and Murphy are considered role players, and Dunleavy is the only one averaging double figures in points (11.4). Granger, as evidenced by his career-high 28 points in the Pacers' 104-101 loss against the Heat on Thursday night, is capable of scoring when called upon.

Carlisle said Granger is "ready to step it up" and become more involved in the offense.

"It's a big opportunity for me," Granger said. "It opens up a lot, and I'll try to take advantage of it to the best of my ability. I definitely look at it as they have a lot of trust in me. I don't really want to let them down."

Nearly every player in the Pacers locker room said they were shocked to hear of the trade. Harrington, in his second stint in Indiana, was well-liked by his teammates, as was Jackson.

But Granger and Jeff Foster said Jackson could use a change of scenery. Jackson had legal troubles in Indiana and was suspended for one game in December after making remarks to Carlisle following a substitution that the coach deemed "inappropriate and detrimental."

"I think that's good for him and probably good for us," Foster said of Jackson being traded. "Everybody here loves him, but he had a black cloud over him in Indiana. He gets a fresh start."

O'Neal also wanted to make it clear that his comments following a Jan. 4 game against the Mavericks did not spur the trade of Harrington, Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell for Dunleavy, Murphy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod.

O'Neal said his words were taken out of context.

"Everybody's trying to put my comments a couple of weeks ago on the trade, like I forced the trade," O'Neal said. "I didn't force a trade. That was me being frustrated with our team and our effort on the court. I wanted to motivate not only myself, but those guys. I wanted to make sure everybody was on board with it."

But now that the trade happened, O'Neal is excited about the possibilities. He said Dunleavy and Murphy are going to do well in the Eastern Conference.

They are going to turn the Pacers into contenders.

"Those guys are matchup problems, especially in the East," O'Neal said. "On the West Coast, they play small. I don't think those guys fit into that type of system out West. I think now they're going to benefit because they're going to come into a situation where they have a post player that demands double teams. If they double team me, they're going to get easy shots."

speakout4
01-20-2007, 10:56 AM
This CBS Sportsline article makes clear what he did say, not what the NYT writer made of it.
In actual fact this article tells a great deal more then just that, it also tells why they were ready (RC;Granger ready) and that despite "great lockerroom guys" several players (Jeff among them) thought it was better they went.

Finally it makes clear what JO really wants: retire a champion in a Pacers Jersey.
"
Did you read the NYT article by Liz Robbins?

able
01-20-2007, 10:59 AM
Did you read the NYT article by Liz Robbins?

It's what I'm referring to above