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avoidingtheclowns
01-19-2007, 03:20 PM
I didn't see a thread dedicated to this so I thought I'd start a general rumors thread...

According to Yahoo Sports, there is now a rumor that Jermaine could be traded soon...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Pacers-O-Neal-may-be-dealt?urn=nba,21816


Informed sources near the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind/) situation suggest that Jermaine O'Neal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/) may be a lot closer to being dealt than even he will admit. A few weeks ago, O'Neal announced that if he could not get the Pacers turned around, maybe it was time for him to go.
That seems very likely to happen this summer, although a handful of GM's and scouts say it could happen before next month's trade deadline. One source hinted that the Denver Nuggets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/)' Marcus Camby (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3084/) or even the Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/)' Brad Miller (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3305/) could be parts of a package involving O'Neal.

SOURCE: hoopsworld.com

I highly doubt that we would trade JO for Brad Miller. I think this is just proof (along with the MDJ for Maggette rumor) that these people have no clue what they're talking about. I definitely think we're going to make another move but I think our guesses are as good as the media's.

odeez
01-19-2007, 03:21 PM
NO WAY DO WE TRADE ONEAL RIGHT NOW>>>THAT RUMOR IS CRAZY!

Hicks
01-19-2007, 03:22 PM
Yes, let's trade JO for Brad... nothing to worry about there. *rolls eyes*. If we were going to trade him, Camby would be worth a look now that he's not entirely made of glass (though he's not out of the woods). But I don't see us trading him unless 1) He explicitly requests it and/or 2) We tank the rest of this year.

Robertmto
01-19-2007, 03:26 PM
Just looked at the slaries, no conceivable cap matching trades came to mind.

Quis
01-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Troy Murphy > Brad Miller

:)

AesopRockOn
01-19-2007, 03:48 PM
Troy Murphy > Brad Miller

:)

:(

avoidingtheclowns
01-19-2007, 03:51 PM
well you certainly don't bring in BMiller if you just traded for Murphy

Shade
01-19-2007, 03:52 PM
:bs:

That is all.

Frank Slade
01-19-2007, 03:58 PM
:bs:

That is all.
Indeed


SOURCE: hoopsworld.com
:unimpress This is all you need to know...nothing to see here..

naptownmenace
01-19-2007, 03:59 PM
That is the both the dumbest and funniest trade rumor I've ever read. It reminds me of the Bender and Croshere trade rumors that guys used to come up with here on the forums - only in reverse.

If JO is traded for anyone other than KG or Chis Bosh then it's gonna be a lopsided trade and not in the Pacers favor.

If the Pacers do make another trade, I hope they do it soon so all this stupid media speculation can just stop.

Aw Heck
01-19-2007, 04:06 PM
The only true part about that rumor is that if JO is traded, he most certainly would head to the Western Conference.

Um, I don't think it would be wise for Sacramento to trade for Jermaine O'Neal while Ron-Ron the basketball is still there. And I think Jermaine might pull an "I'm not going there" if that was a possible destination, mainly because of Ron, but also because it's not really a place guys seem to want to go to (Ron, Iverson).

Denver, I could see I guess. They could send us Camby, probably Nene, and a draft pick or two. I don't know how well AI-Melo-JO would work out on offense, but they sure would be a dangerous team.

That said, I don't see JO getting traded anytime soon unless he specifically asks for it. But all signs seem to indicate that if he asks for one, it will be in the offseason after he and Donnie/Larry sit down and have their post-season chat.

PacerMan
01-19-2007, 05:07 PM
Troy Murphy > Brad Miller

:)

NOT even close.

hoopsforlife
01-19-2007, 06:01 PM
I didn't see a thread dedicated to this so I thought I'd start a general rumors thread...

According to Yahoo Sports, there is now a rumor that Jermaine could be traded soon...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Pacers-O-Neal-may-be-dealt?urn=nba,21816



I highly doubt that we would trade JO for Brad Miller. I think this is just proof (along with the MDJ for Maggette rumor) that these people have no clue what they're talking about. I definitely think we're going to make another move but I think our guesses are as good as the media's.


All right...We get Brad and Ron back. yeah babyyyyy

:lol:


:)

Young
01-19-2007, 06:19 PM
I was wondering before and I wonder now, does Ike Diogou make Jermaine more expandable than he was before?

I really don't know a whole lot about Ike since he has been in the league. I know he has a lot of talent and is very unproven thus far but I don't know what all he can do for sure or how ready he is.

I would be leary of dealing Jermaine with Ike unproven and assuming that we would have Ike and Murphy as our starting 4-5 combo that is not a lot of defense.

If we decided to deal Jermaine it might be alright if we got Jamaal Tinsley. But I would defiantly perfere to keep Jermaine atleast until summer. I say this because we owe our first round pick to Atlanta. We might as well just keep Jermaine. I doubt we get better by trading him in the short term. This would give Ike more time to get comfortable and develope. It also would put less pressure on him to performe well so soon into his career.

The only thing is, would waiting to trade Jermaine, assuming that we do want to trade him, hinder the ability of a team trading for him? For example, Chicago. To match Jermaine's salary they would have to include P.J. Brown. P.J. is going to be a free agent this summer, therefore the Bulls won't have his 8 million dollar salary to trade. At the same time, with free agents this would open up sign and trades although I have no idea who the free agents will be this summer. So I guess it goes both ways.

If we trade Jermaine we better deal Tinsley with him for one thing. We better get a lot of guard help. We also better not be dealing Jeff or Maceo for that matter. We will need all the defense we can get if Ike and Troy are our starting 4-5 tandem.

CableKC
01-19-2007, 06:35 PM
I was wondering before and I wonder now, does Ike Diogou make Jermaine more expandable than he was before?

I really don't know a whole lot about Ike since he has been in the league. I know he has a lot of talent and is very unproven thus far but I don't know what all he can do for sure or how ready he is.

I would be leary of dealing Jermaine with Ike unproven and assuming that we would have Ike and Murphy as our starting 4-5 combo that is not a lot of defense.

If we decided to deal Jermaine it might be alright if we got Jamaal Tinsley. But I would defiantly perfere to keep Jermaine atleast until summer. I say this because we owe our first round pick to Atlanta. We might as well just keep Jermaine. I doubt we get better by trading him in the short term. This would give Ike more time to get comfortable and develope. It also would put less pressure on him to performe well so soon into his career.

The only thing is, would waiting to trade Jermaine, assuming that we do want to trade him, hinder the ability of a team trading for him? For example, Chicago. To match Jermaine's salary they would have to include P.J. Brown. P.J. is going to be a free agent this summer, therefore the Bulls won't have his 8 million dollar salary to trade. At the same time, with free agents this would open up sign and trades although I have no idea who the free agents will be this summer. So I guess it goes both ways.

If we trade Jermaine we better deal Tinsley with him for one thing. We better get a lot of guard help. We also better not be dealing Jeff or Maceo for that matter. We will need all the defense we can get if Ike and Troy are our starting 4-5 tandem.
I agree...if JONeal goes...Tinsley should go with him...that's the only way that we will be able to get rid of Tinsley...ship him out in a package. But given the way the moves we just made...TPTB do not seem to be the type to simply "pack it in" for the season by moving him.

The only moves that I can see is making is trying to package Foster and Tinsley that would allow us to make a lateral move at the PG spot and getting back a SG that can hit the 3pt shot.

Admittedly...I would prefer to wait until the summer to make any moves....I know that Tinsley sucks at time.....but I really want to see how we do with a JONeal/Granger/Tinsley/Foster/DunDun/Murphy/Marquis/Shawne/Greene/DA lineup.

imawhat
01-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Keep in mind that Donnie Walsh stated that the Pacers were not looking to trade Jermaine O'Neal.

Will Galen
01-19-2007, 07:04 PM
I didn't see a thread dedicated to this so I thought I'd start a general rumors thread...

According to Yahoo Sports, there is now a rumor that Jermaine could be traded soon...


Thanks for starting a general rumors thread for the main page. I was going to start one on the 22nd if no one had started one. Why the 22nd? Because a month from that date is the trade deadline. After that point I figure this thread can be moved to the thread forum.

As for JO being traded it's not going to happen, period!

Look at the evidence. They are trading for players that compliment JO. It would be asinine to surround him with players that fit and then trade the player that makes it all work.

I'm going to dismiss out of hand any Pacer trade with JO in it. Donnie has said he will sit down with JO after the season and discuss his future. That I believe. Unless something very unforeseen occurs, any JO trade will be at the earliest this summer.

And need I remind people that Bird and Walsh like trades to go down without fanfare. The Harrington trade with Atlanta was blabbed all over the place by Atlanta with even their owners getting into the act, not by Bird and Walsh.

The only other Pacer trade that went down with fanfare was The Ron Artest trade, and we all know why that happened. Generally no one gets a sniff of a pacer trade until right before it happens. So, if you are reading about a Pacer trade on the Internet or in the newspapers, unless it's imminent, there's almost no way it's happening.

With all that said I like to read the rumors myself. I even look into them and see if they are financially and contractually sound. That doesn't mean I believe them though. And even if a source tells someone the Pacers are talking about a certain player that doesn't mean anything, GM's talk deals all the time but nothing comes to fruitation.

What I will give some credence to is any trade rumors that contain Tinsley or Harrison. Even those I will take with a grain of salt.

Quis
01-19-2007, 07:13 PM
NOT even close.

Scoring wise they're equal. Defensive wise, they're equal. So which do you prefer from your PF/C, rebounding (Murphy) or passing (Miller)?

I'll take rebounding.

BlueNGold
01-19-2007, 07:26 PM
We are not trading JO. We are retooling and giving the JO era one more shot. This is the last one, however. ...especially in the event Ike spikes.

maragin
01-19-2007, 07:28 PM
One of the big benefits of a whole-team turnover like this, is that new guys coming in assume that JO is the leader, even if previous generations didn't believe it. It's a subtle brushstroke on a big canvas, but it's one that caught my eye.

I think they've geniunely built around him.

speakout4
01-19-2007, 07:53 PM
The fan base also needs a big draw and right now JO is it. Danny maybe in the future becomes the draw but the money that goes to support the team follows JO. There will be one guy moved before the deadline and that is Harrison who now is more than expendable. The Ps are not going to invest in him with the players they just traded for. Fouls, attitude, and injury spell 3 strikes.

Trader Joe
01-19-2007, 08:18 PM
The trade we just made was about three things. 1.) Getting Ike Diogu, 2.) Making Danny our second option, and 3.) Giving JO a team where he is the unquestioned top banana.

Skaut_Ech
01-19-2007, 09:06 PM
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A move reportedly is likely this summer, but something could come down before the trade deadline that involves Marcus Camby or Brad Miller. The rumor suggests that Camby would then be shipped to a third team. A trade involving O'Neal obviously would have great impact upon the fantasy landscape; stay tuned for more on this situation.
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sig
01-19-2007, 09:58 PM
IMO, Dunleavy for Maggette would make sense.

Destined4Greatness
01-19-2007, 10:46 PM
SWEET, Ike and Granger are the future. Now we need a PG. Theres this really great guy at Ohio state we could try and trade up for.

Jermaniac
01-19-2007, 10:49 PM
Shawne is gonna be better then both of them.

Destined4Greatness
01-19-2007, 10:56 PM
Shawne is gonna be better then both of them.

Then in about 4 years we are going to have one kick *** team.

Kegboy
01-19-2007, 11:17 PM
Geez. To quote my sister, "The second Camby set foot in Conseco wearing a Pacers jersey, he'd drop dead."

GetMoney
01-19-2007, 11:36 PM
IMO, Dunleavy for Maggette would make sense.

word and that would be a steal

still can't believe we traded for dunleavy

MaHa3000
01-20-2007, 09:50 AM
How can we trade JO when he can opt. out of his contract at the end of the season? No team will take a chance like that.

Destined4Greatness
01-20-2007, 10:09 AM
How can we trade JO when he can opt. out of his contract at the end of the season? No team will take a chance like that.

Yeah what team would want to get 20 million off their books.

MaHa3000
01-20-2007, 10:17 AM
Yeah what team would want to get 20 million off their books.

The Pacers.

Destined4Greatness
01-20-2007, 10:40 AM
The Pacers.

And amazingly enough about 26 other teams.

Will Galen
01-21-2007, 05:01 AM
How can we trade JO when he can opt. out of his contract at the end of the season? No team will take a chance like that.

Not so. Check your facts.

3rdStrike
01-21-2007, 01:59 PM
Richard Jefferson is out for the forseeable future (he's having ankle surgery). The Nets were heating up. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up making a trade offer for Dunleavy. Their division is up for grabs and there's no way they make it without Jefferson AND Kristic.

Not sure what NJ would have to offer, though (I'm assuming they have zero interest in trading Marcus Williams), asides from a draft pick.

TheDon
01-21-2007, 02:18 PM
If they make a trade for Dunleavey for a 1st round draft pick they're morons. I don't think the nets are that stupid.

Will Galen
01-24-2007, 11:28 AM
BUMP! Anyone hear anything? Does anyone think we will make another trade? You guys with sources, what do you hear? Diamond Dave OO? Smash?

PacerMan
01-24-2007, 12:12 PM
Scoring wise they're equal. Defensive wise, they're equal. So which do you prefer from your PF/C, rebounding (Murphy) or passing (Miller)?

I'll take rebounding.

Brad 7.7
Murph 8.2

Big wow.

Brad's passing is EXCEPTIONAL. He would have been a tremendous help running the offense with our guard situation that last few years.

PacerMan
01-24-2007, 12:13 PM
The trade we just made was about three things. 1.) Getting Ike Diogu, 2.) Making Danny our second option, and 3.) Giving JO a team where he is the unquestioned top banana.

4) Getting Stephen out of Indy.

PacerMan
01-24-2007, 12:15 PM
Yeah what team would want to get 20 million off their books.

What team is going to give us enough value (players) for us to give up Jermaine and THEN let him walk?

Answer: NONE

sig
01-24-2007, 12:23 PM
What team is going to give us enough value (players) for us to give up Jermaine and THEN let him walk?

Answer: NONE

Maybe these are the new Clippers in a new era since they made the playoffs last year but that sounds like something the clippers team of the old days would do. They are once again underachieving and still have the same owner. Maybe frustration has set in and he's ready to blow up his team again.

Roferr
01-24-2007, 12:28 PM
I can't see JO being traded without seeing how well he fits in with the new players. Hell, we may have a contender right now. The only thing holding us back now is a consistent Tins. If he can refrain from attempting to single-handedly taking over the game, maybe that problem is solved.

A straight up trade for KG works for me, but the Twolves will want someone packaged with JO, although their salaries are only about $3 million apart so it'll have to be in a throw-in or two, which I don't think Kevin would accept.

diamonddave00
01-24-2007, 01:07 PM
From what I'm hearing Donny and Larry are watching closely from now till the deadline. Slow as molasses Donny has to hold Larry back, but yes they are looking for more depth in the backcourt. Jamaal will have to perform or he could well be headed out .

The performance of Ike Diogu and his development is another thing to keep an eye on. Maceo Baston's play and David Harrison's potential are both possible fillers in any move . If Troy Murphy performs as Bird expects and Ike shows he's ready Jeff Foster could be moved but things have to point to Diogu being ready now.

Bird wants to be aggressive while Donnie is holding back , but good chance a move will be made by the deadline- key is if and how fast this new version clicks. If and when Bird takes over you'll not see the same slow reaction as you do with Donnie , Larry will act and hopefully wisely he doesn't have Walsh's patience.

Roferr
01-24-2007, 02:13 PM
The trade we just made was about three things. 1.) Getting Ike Diogu, 2.) Making Danny our second option, and 3.) Giving JO a team where he is the unquestioned top banana.

Diogu is a promising player, but no way was he the main reason for the trade. The biggest reasons are starting.