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Diamond Dave
01-17-2007, 03:09 PM
So as I see it, this will probably be the new depth chart.

C - Foster/Murphy/Harrison
PF - JO/Ike/Baston
SF - Granger/Williams/Marshall
SG - Dunleavy/Daniels/Marshall
PG - Tinsley/Armstrong/McLeod/Greene

What do you guys think?

Ragnar
01-17-2007, 03:22 PM
So as I see it, this will probably be the new depth chart.

C - Foster/Murphy/Harrison
PF - JO/Ike/Baston
SF - Granger/Williams/Marshall
SG - Dunleavy/Daniels/Marshall
PG - Tinsley/Armstrong/McLeod/Greene

What do you guys think?

I hope Dunleavy is not our new starting sg.

Well I hope no one liked it when we scored over 100 because we have seen the last time we do that for a while.

Diamond Dave
01-17-2007, 03:35 PM
I hope Dunleavy is not our new starting sg.

Well I hope no one liked it when we scored over 100 because we have seen the last time we do that for a while.

Well I don't see any other options.

I, in no way, want Daniels starting. We already have Foster starting, we can't have two people who can't shoot on the floor at the same time.

Marshall is not a starting caliber player. Danny shouldn't play sg. So I don't know who else.

bnd45
01-17-2007, 03:43 PM
I think Greene might be higher up now, possibly even the backup if DA tires out.

Daniels at the 2 and Dunleavy at the 3 would compliment each other very well. We're now big off the bench with Danny, Ike, and Murph. (1 of the 2 new bigs isn't going to play much because JO still gets 36 mpg.)

wooolus
01-17-2007, 03:48 PM
I think Don Nelson started the season by putting Murphy as a center, Murphy is a good rebounder but softer than a stick of butter in Africa, he could be the Brad Miller kind of center that gives JO more room to operate, that way we could play Daniels in the starting lineup. Or we can start Diogu right off the bat to expand his game, I think Diogu is better than anyone we could've have picked up from this year's draft, he was drafted ninth if remembered correctly.

Murphy/Jeff/David Harrison
JO/Diogu/Baston
Gift/Dunleavy/Shawne
Daniels/Rawle/Shawne
JT/Greene/Red Bull/McLeod

Unclebuck
01-17-2007, 03:48 PM
The big question is who is the starting shooting guard.

One big misconception about Dunleavy is that he's an excellent shooter - he's pretty good, but his greatest strength as a player is his passing, and plamaking ability. So I don't think Daniels and Mike would make a good combo.

I don't know who starts.,

Probably:

JT
Daniels
Granger
JO
Jeff


Or I suppose we could see Mike starting with Granger with the theory that DG can guard the better of the 2 or 3.

I see Granger and Dunleavy as a good combo - I see Marquis and Dunleavy as getting in each others way

Diamond Dave
01-17-2007, 03:55 PM
Do you guys really want a backcourt of Daniels and Tinsley. Two guys who shouldn't shoot from the outside, and the ladder who won't stop.

I've come to start calling Daniels......Marquis "Cluster****" Daniels, as the only time he seems to any use to me is when the play goes to hell and he makes something up on the fly.

Fool
01-17-2007, 03:55 PM
I think I would start Murphy with UB's group only at PF, which forces JO into the 5 again (especially defensively).

wooolus
01-17-2007, 04:05 PM
I think Don Nelson started the season by putting Murphy as a center, Murphy is a good rebounder but softer than a stick of butter in Africa, he could be the Brad Miller kind of center that gives JO more room to operate, that way we could play Daniels in the starting lineup. Or we can start Diogu right off the bat to expand his game, I think Diogu is better than anyone we could've have picked up from this year's draft, he was drafted ninth if remembered correctly.

Murphy/Jeff/David Harrison
JO/Diogu/Baston
Gift/Dunleavy/Shawne
Daniels/Rawle/Shawne
JT/Greene/Red Bull/McLeod


I think I would start Murphy with UB's group only at PF, which forces JO into the 5 again (especially defensively).

;), UB, do you think Dunleavy could run the point effectively?

Trader Joe
01-17-2007, 04:05 PM
The big question is who is the starting shooting guard.

One big misconception about Dunleavy is that he's an excellent shooter - he's pretty good, but his greatest strength as a player is his passing, and plamaking ability. So I don't think Daniels and Mike would make a good combo.

I don't know who starts.,

Probably:

JT
Daniels
Granger
JO
Jeff


Or I suppose we could see Mike starting with Granger with the theory that DG can guard the better of the 2 or 3.

I see Granger and Dunleavy as a good combo - I see Marquis and Dunleavy as getting in each others way

I'll be stunned if one of the players we got doesn't get a starting job. I think we could see something like this if our goal is to give JO as much room as possible

Tins
Granger
Dunleavy
JO
Murphy

That would spread the floor for JO as well as provide us with two playmakes in Tins and Dun. However it leaves us with some problems in terms of scoring off the bench. Most likely lineup IMO is
Tins
Quis
Granger
JO
Murphy

bnd45
01-17-2007, 04:08 PM
UB: Dunleavy is a capable open shooter and having him in there with Daniels takes the burden off Tinsley especially on the break. Daniels is our most capable finisher in the open court and unlike Jack or Al, Dunleavy understands how to pass and space on the break. Now Tinsley won't be forced to throw up ugly 8 footers because no one filled the proper lanes in transition.

I am very concerned about how the rotation up front is going to work. It looks as if Baston's minutes are going to disappear. Murph and Ike gives us legit backup "bigs." Granger can rotate with Dunleavy and Daniels because he can play the 2 for a few minutes. This team needs to establish a 8/9 man rotation ASAP.

Hoop
01-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Anybody else just absolutely hate when people put Granger at the 2 guard?

Granger is not a 2, will never be a 2. Granger has the prefect size and skill set to be a all star 3 in the near future. If he is going to play out of position, at times, I'd rather see him at the 4.

Fool
01-17-2007, 04:31 PM
;), UB, do you think Dunleavy could run the point effectively?

Sorry about that woo, nice catch. I think that's the lineup to go with. This whole trade screams JO as a 5 to me. They traded for 2 PFs, how can you keep JO at the 4 while bringing in 2 PFs and already playing Jeff Fosters out of position?

Naptown_Seth
01-17-2007, 04:43 PM
Anybody else just absolutely hate when people put Granger at the 2 guard?

Granger is not a 2, will never be a 2. Granger has the prefect size and skill set to be a all star 3 in the near future. If he is going to play out of position, at times, I'd rather see him at the 4.
Me. It's not even close either. If he leans away from SF ever it's toward PF. For example being used to cover a guy like Dirk as he was.

Put him on a SG like Wade and forget about it.

He's SF all the way, exactly the kind of skill combo you love to see at the 3.

Quis has to be the SG....pending more trading at least.

PostArtestEra
01-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Foster/Murphy/Harrison
JO/Diogu/Baston
Granger/Dunleavy/Williams
Daniels/Marshal
Tinsley/Armstrong/Greene

There has got to be at least one more trade coming so it doesn't really matter.

maragin
01-17-2007, 06:24 PM
There has got to be at least one more trade coming so it doesn't really matter.

I hope you are correct.

PostArtestEra
01-17-2007, 06:56 PM
I hope you are correct.

I do too, although I'm starting to doubt myself, especially if we think that Dunleavy is a 2 guard. I'm scared.

Evan_The_Dude
01-17-2007, 07:15 PM
I think Daniels showed Carlisle enough to be a starter. Maybe you guys don't agree, but he's certainly capable. Don't forget how he played in Dallas as a starter. I think Rawle is nearly a mirror image of Daniels, except I think Rawle is a slightly better shooter (not from three, but inside 15'). They both can handle the ball, get to the basket, and finish.

There's a number of players that benefit from this trade: Granger - likely our new starting 3, Marshall & Daniels - for reasons stated above, J.O. - he can move back to the PF and have a guy like Murphy (if he starts) that compliments his game, Tinsley - Dunleavy's ball handling and passing abilities take a bit of pressure off Tinsley to make everything happen, Orien Greene - we'll likely see him on the floor with Dunleavy because he's an excellent defender but not such a good distributor of the ball, Danny Granger - don't know if you guys realized it but he's now our second leading scorer...

Pig Nash
01-17-2007, 07:48 PM
I think it'll go:

Murphy/Foster/Diogu/Harrison
JO/Foster/Baston
Granger/Dunleavy/Williams
Daniels/Dunleavy/Marshall
Tinsley/DA/Greene/Mcleod

Cobol Sam
01-18-2007, 12:10 AM
Me. It's not even close either. If he leans away from SF ever it's toward PF. For example being used to cover a guy like Dirk as he was.

Put him on a SG like Wade and forget about it.

He's SF all the way, exactly the kind of skill combo you love to see at the 3.

Quis has to be the SG....pending more trading at least.

After listening to Rick's show tonight, he named Danny as the probably starting 2 guard and Daniels as the 3. He made a good point that Danny was going to guard the other teams best perimeter player most nights anyway. I suppose I'm not convinced Danny would be unsuccessful playing the 2, especially after hearing Rick's confidence.

On the other hand I'm in agreement with a lot of guys when thinking that we may be trading for another perimeter player soon to hedge any problems that we may find at the 2.

Unclebuck
01-18-2007, 12:33 AM
In Rick's system the 2 and the 3 are the same. There really is no difference. Granger will guard the other teams best scorer either the 2 or 3 so I don't see the problem.

Quis
01-18-2007, 12:43 AM
Tinsley/Armstrong
Daniels/Dunleavy
Granger/Dunleavy
O'Neal/Diogu
Murphy/Foster

Murphy isn't much of a defender but he's one of the leagues best rebounders and a good scorer. If he's given 35 minutes a night 16 and 11 are reasonable numbers. I also think this deal will mean Granger is made a bigger part of the offense. I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 15+ for the rest of the season, which is a good thing.

Anthem
01-18-2007, 01:21 AM
Murphy isn't much of a defender but he's one of the leagues best rebounders and a good scorer. If he's given 35 minutes a night 16 and 11 are reasonable numbers.
I'm all for optimism, but Murphy's not going to average 16 and 11. That's not reasonable, that's pie in the sky.

Quis
01-18-2007, 01:33 AM
I'm all for optimism, but Murphy's not going to average 16 and 11. That's not reasonable, that's pie in the sky.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/885/tmlt3.png

The guy's a very productive player when given minutes. And these came out West where the big boys play.

Jose Slaughter
01-18-2007, 02:50 AM
Those numbers for Murphy also came on a team without O'Neal.

I would also suspect that Granger & Dunleavy will be options 2 & 3. That is if Tinsley decides to shoot less & pass more.

Murphy can make the defense pay for crowding O'Neal but I don't see him averaging more than 9 or 10 a game in both points as well as boards.

Foster - Murphy - Harrison

O'Neal - Diogu - Baston - Williams

Granger - Dunleavy

Daniels - Marshall

Tinsley - Greene - Armstrong - McLeod

Quis
01-18-2007, 03:14 AM
Those numbers for Murphy also came on a team without O'Neal.

Which makes them even more impressive.

ChicagoPacer
01-18-2007, 04:26 AM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/885/tmlt3.png

The guy's a very productive player when given minutes. And these came out West where the big boys play.

You've got to realize that GSW plays at a much faster pace than us--which means more FGA and rebounding chances for everyone, slow that down to our speed in 05-06 and you've got: 13 pts, 9 reb. Then you've got to factor in the fact that he can't go 34 min anymore--he's a 28 min kind of guy. 30 tops. So he's a 12 pt, 8 rebound kind of player. He might play against the West Conf guys, but he did his damage on 34 win teams. He won't get the same chances with us that he did at GS in 2003/04 and 2004/05.

Robertmto
01-18-2007, 05:29 AM
Nobody wants to have a 5 of

JO/Diogu/Dunleavy/Granger/JT

Foster would obviously be the 6th man.

avoidingtheclowns
01-19-2007, 09:02 AM
i don't think you can play ike and JO at the same time. ike is best offensively when working the low block which is one of the problems harrington had while playing with JO. maybe you can do it for limited stretches but i wouldn't start them together. this is why i like the murphy deal... he's a big and a rebounder that doesn't want to be on the block or in JO's way.

i was really impressed by Quis and DG's play last night. i think, to play like that and still have a chance to tie the game (without the #2 and #3 scorers from your starting lineup) is pretty good especially considering the FG% we were giving up. i think that Carlisle might be a great coach for MDJ and TM and get something out of them not yet accessed.

i think it'll probably be JT, MDJ, DG, JO, JF/TM... a lineup i'd be interested in seeing would be MD, MDJ, DG, JO, JF/TM

mitch55
01-27-2007, 08:46 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
POINT GUARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Jamaal Tinsley 6'3" 183lbs 28 years old (2/28/78)
COLLEGE: Iowa State
DRAFT: 27TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2001 BY MEMPHIS


2- Darrell Armstrong 6'1" 180lbs 38 years old (6/22/68)
COLLEGE: Fayetteville State
DRAFT: NONE


3- Orien Greene 6'4" 208lbs 24 years old (2/4/82)
COLLEGE: Louisiana-Lafayette
DRAFT: 23RD PICK IN THE SECOND ROUND IN 2005 BY BOSTON


4- Keith McLeod 6'2" 190lbs 27 years old (11/5/79)
COLLEGE: Bowling Green
DRAFT: NONE



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SHOOTING GUARD (all can play SF)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Mike Dunleavy 6'9" 230lbs 26 years old (9/15/80)
COLLEGE: Duke
DRAFT: 3RD PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2002 BY GOLDEN STATE


2- Marquis Daniels 6'6" 200lbs 26 years old (1/7/81)
COLLEGE: Auburn
DRAFT: NONE


3- Rawle Marshall 6'7" 190lbs 24 years old (2/20/82)
COLLEGE: Oakland
DRAFT: NONE



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SMALL FORWARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Danny Granger 6'9" 228lbs 23 years old (4/20/83)
COLLEGE: New Mexico
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2005 BY INDIANA


2- Shawne Williams 6'9" 225lbs 20 years old (2/16/86)
COLLEGE: Memphis
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2006 BY INDIANA



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
POWER FORWARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Jermaine O'Neal 6'11" 260lbs 28 years old (10/13/78)
COLLEGE: NONE
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 1996 BY PORTLAND


2- Ike Diogu 6'8" 255lbs 23 years old (9/11/83)
COLLEGE: Arizona State
DRAFT: 9TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2005 BY GOLDEN STATE


3- Maceo Baston 6'9" 215lbs 31 years old (5/29/75)
COLLEGE: Michigan
DRAFT: 29TH PICK IN THE SECOND ROUND IN 1998 BY CHICAGO



~~~~~~~~~~
CENTER
~~~~~~~~~~



1- Troy Murphy 6'11" 245lbs 26 years old (5/2/80)
COLLEGE: Notre Dame
DRAFT: 14TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2001 BY GOLDEN STATE (was drafted by the Warriors in 2001 with the Pacer pick acquired in the Jeff Foster for Vonteego Cummings and a #1 pick trade of draft night 1999)



2- Jeff Foster 6'11" 250lbs 30 years old (1/16/77)
COLLEGE: Texas State
DRAFT: 21ST PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 1999 BY GOLDEN STATE


3- David Harrison 7'0" 280lbs 24 years old (8/15/82)
COLLEGE: Colorado
DRAFT: 27TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2004 BY INDIANA

Anthem
01-27-2007, 11:04 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
POINT GUARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Jamaal Tinsley 6'3" 183lbs 28 years old (2/28/78)
COLLEGE: Iowa State
DRAFT: 27TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2001 BY MEMPHIS


2- Darrell Armstrong 6'1" 180lbs 38 years old (6/22/68)
COLLEGE: Fayetteville State
DRAFT: NONE


3- Orien Greene 6'4" 208lbs 24 years old (2/4/82)
COLLEGE: Louisiana-Lafayette
DRAFT: 23RD PICK IN THE SECOND ROUND IN 2005 BY BOSTON


4- Keith McLeod 6'2" 190lbs 27 years old (11/5/79)
COLLEGE: Bowling Green
DRAFT: NONE



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SHOOTING GUARD (all can play SF)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Mike Dunleavy 6'9" 230lbs 26 years old (9/15/80)
COLLEGE: Duke
DRAFT: 3RD PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2002 BY GOLDEN STATE


2- Marquis Daniels 6'6" 200lbs 26 years old (1/7/81)
COLLEGE: Auburn
DRAFT: NONE


3- Rawle Marshall 6'7" 190lbs 24 years old (2/20/82)
COLLEGE: Oakland
DRAFT: NONE



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SMALL FORWARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Danny Granger 6'9" 228lbs 23 years old (4/20/83)
COLLEGE: New Mexico
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2005 BY INDIANA


2- Shawne Williams 6'9" 225lbs 20 years old (2/16/86)
COLLEGE: Memphis
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2006 BY INDIANA



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
POWER FORWARD
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



1- Jermaine O'Neal 6'11" 260lbs 28 years old (10/13/78)
COLLEGE: NONE
DRAFT: 17TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 1996 BY PORTLAND


2- Ike Diogu 6'8" 255lbs 23 years old (9/11/83)
COLLEGE: Arizona State
DRAFT: 9TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2005 BY GOLDEN STATE


3- Maceo Baston 6'9" 215lbs 31 years old (5/29/75)
COLLEGE: Michigan
DRAFT: 29TH PICK IN THE SECOND ROUND IN 1998 BY CHICAGO



~~~~~~~~~~
CENTER
~~~~~~~~~~



1- Troy Murphy 6'11" 245lbs 26 years old (5/2/80)
COLLEGE: Notre Dame
DRAFT: 14TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2001 BY GOLDEN STATE (was drafted by the Warriors in 2001 with the Pacer pick acquired in the Jeff Foster for Vonteego Cummings and a #1 pick trade of draft night 1999)



2- Jeff Foster 6'11" 250lbs 30 years old (1/16/77)
COLLEGE: Texas State
DRAFT: 21ST PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 1999 BY GOLDEN STATE


3- David Harrison 7'0" 280lbs 24 years old (8/15/82)
COLLEGE: Colorado
DRAFT: 27TH PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 2004 BY INDIANA
What the heck is this? Bump an old thread to print a roster?

Weird.