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The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

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  • The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

    This is sad. This man is having the best year of his career, he is doing everything he possibly can to be a better teammate, to win games. But the players around him could care less. Every game in the 4th qtr, you can tell some players give up and you look at Jermaine and he looks like he is about to cry.

    Tonight, on one possesion he blocked 2 shots, changed one, and tipped the ball out so his teammates get a rebound, NOT ONE PLAYER even jumped up for it.

    But hey as long as we can go to Club Rio after the game and pick up some cheap hoes, its all good with the Indiana Pacers.

    I'm at the point where I hope Jermaine gets traded.

    Mark Boyle said tonight "Its getting to a point where you feel sorry for JO". Yes Mark I'm already at that point.

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    Count me in. He is the East version of KG. Immense talent, worthless teammates.
    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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    • #3
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      I am there. The man is pouring his heart and soul into this team and yet when all is said and done at the end of the season JO will get more blame than anyone cause he is the franchise player. Well guess what he is playing like one hell of a franchise player and the rest of our team has their collective head firmly shoved up their collective ***.


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        Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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        • #5
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          Agreed. We are just wasting an incredible season by our superstar. He's worked himself into great shape, and yet we don't give a damn. It's pathetic. JO deserves a lot better.

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            Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

            Exactly Indy, he will be blamed for everything. People will say he isnt a good leader, how in the world are you supposed to lead someone who doesnt give 2 ****s about losing or winning. You tell Stephen Jackson something, he wants to fight. Jamaal Tinsley just doesnt care, I dont think Bill Parcells could get his blood flowing.

            I bet JO wishes he still had Ron with him, even though they fought each other, at least JO knew he had someone going to battle with him when they stepped on that court.

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            • #7
              Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

              Co-sign.

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              • #8
                Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                I bet JO wishes he still had Ron with him, even though they fought each other, at least JO knew he had someone going to battle with him when they stepped on that court.
                Not anymore. Ron isn't near the player he was here. He's past his prime already.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                  Aggreed!
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                  • #10
                    Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                    yeah it's sad...reminds me of tracy mcgrady in orlando. Great talent with crappy teammates.
                    "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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                    • #11
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                      It sucks because right now at this point in their career JO and KG should be playing for a big time contender and talking about championship runs. Instead they are playing their hearts out to get a shot just to make the playoffs.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                        Originally posted by Shade View Post
                        Not anymore. Ron isn't near the player he was here. He's past his prime already.
                        Idk, I think he's a pretty impressive basketball.
                        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                          Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                          Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                          This is sad. This man is having the best year of his career, he is doing everything he possibly can to be a better teammate, to win games. But the players around him could care less. Every game in the 4th qtr, you can tell some players give up and you look at Jermaine and he looks like he is about to cry.

                          Tonight, on one possesion he blocked 2 shots, changed one, and tipped the ball out so his teammates get a rebound, NOT ONE PLAYER even jumped up for it.

                          But hey as long as we can go to Club Rio after the game and pick up some cheap hoes, its all good with the Indiana Pacers.

                          I'm at the point where I hope Jermaine gets traded.

                          Mark Boyle said tonight "Its getting to a point where you feel sorry for JO". Yes Mark I'm already at that point.
                          I was about to say I agreed 100% with you until I saw this part. This translates to "I like Jermaine O'Neal more than I like the Indiana Pacers", which needless to say is as much of a turnoff as an avatar that reads, "Jack > You".

                          Still, I do feel sorry for JO. He's playing the way I'd like to see him play, he's putting up some big numbers, playing great D, and his teammates (other than Jeff Foster) are just not giving him much of anything right now at all.

                          I hope he can keep this going longer than this stretch of mediocrity lasts so that he can be rewarded for playing the right way.

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                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I was about to say I agreed 100% with you until I saw this part. This translates to "I like Jermaine O'Neal more than I like the Indiana Pacers", which needless to say is as much of a turnoff as an avatar that reads, "Jack > You".

                            Still, I do feel sorry for JO. He's playing the way I'd like to see him play, he's putting up some big numbers, playing great D, and his teammates (other than Jeff Foster) are just not giving him much of anything right now at all.

                            I hope he can keep this going longer than this stretch of mediocrity lasts so that he can be rewarded for playing the right way.
                            It has nothing to do with liking Jermaine more then the Indiana Pacers. He is being wasted here and we are wasting time with him here. His contract is huge which wont let us bring in more talent, we will make the playoffs every year and will pick around 15 to 20 which will not allow us to get top talent. We need to get a young guy and some picks for JO and start over.

                            Trading Jermaine would allow us to start all over because pretending we are going to do something every year is getting pathetic.

                            Ohh and I really could care less if you think that I like Jermaine more then the Pacers, I dont got to prove nothing to anybody. This is a game, we aint in Iraq and I'm some sort of spy. I'm way beyond trying to prove to people that I'm a Pacers fan first, when Jermaine is gone you will see, maybe yall could make some sort of movie after that about my life.

                            And what did Marquis do to be "On Notice"? Is it him being benched for no reason everytime he plays.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Official I Feel Bad For JO Thread

                              Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                              Exactly Indy, he will be blamed for everything.
                              Hardly. You think Boyle is the only fan who sees JO as almost a one-man force at this point?

                              But hey as long as we can go to Club Rio after the game and pick up some cheap hoes, its all good with the Indiana Pacers.
                              Harrington wasn't at Rio that night. And he was the worst offender when it came to getting beat to rebounds that JO created with his defensive effort.

                              Jack wasn't even on the court most of the 2nd half. Tinsley is a PG and I don't expect him to pull down boards at the rim, though his rebounding is one aspect of his game that has been a lot better this year.

                              I assume you were talking about the play (single block technically) from 2:12 to 2:02 left in the 4th when it was still 3 points. Well on that play the THREE Pacers standing at the charge line looking at JO go off were - Tinsley, Quis, and Granger. Pretty sure Granger wasn't at the Rio either.

                              Harrington actually started breaking out (you "uptempo" fans must love this bonus it creates) and doesn't come back into the play till another shot attempt and several more tips.

                              Quis does get himself involved after the first putback attempt by Howard when he comes to the baseline and tries to swat the ball away.

                              Granger at least tried to go up but Dampier outjumped him.

                              Tins eventually found his way to the floor trying to get the loose ball.

                              But none of them really blocked out.

                              The main problem was that the 2nd biggest Pacer on the court was nowhere to be found till it was almost all over. JO was out of the rebounds because he was defending. Danny was overmatched going against Damp and Howard.

                              No Foster, no Baston.

                              And no Jackson, which looked bad when the play after this featured Dirk passing right over the smaller Danny to a cutting Howard who had left Quis in the dust.

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